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Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (16 laps)

Track: Mugello Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg128898#post_mugello)

Cars allowed: Any car, once only, from here The real mod 1.0:
http://downloads.gamers-crib.com/Sim%20Racing/GTL/Mods/RealMod/RealMod10.exe

and last update (to ver 1.3):
http://downloads.gamers-crib.com/Sim%20Racing/GTL/Mods/RealMod/RealMod13update.exe

It's best if you create a standalone GTL install (copy your GTL to a temp folder, rename it e.g. REAL GTL, then copy back to your usual directory. Path the install to the new REAL GTL you have just created).  Install ver 1.0 first then update with the ver 1.3 install. Run the sim and purchase the cars.
We will not be able to use any skin packs with this mod.

Drivers are reminded that the maximum number of drives in any car is One. Check your status here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuS59xI7-YTLdHhadk9PaFhDTHpUVjBDY2tXeTFnYUE)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal

Server: simracing.org.uk RGTL
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
(3) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car
If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.
(4) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=334;theme=5)

Special Notes: None.

hello,

what is REAL GTL???

is this a mod. where the physics?, handling, tyres are changed totaly like a P+G mod.?
or only a mod. where the performance is balanced, or changed? and handling is same as normal GTL cars.

sorry for question, never did drive this REAL GTL, and i am not sure if i do drive this series, so i will know before what comes, downloading is always a pain for me with slow internetconnection DSL 0.384mb (ca.45/KB sec. download, or around 155-160mb in 1 hour)

thanks for answear
servus

In effect, it adds new cars to the existing GTL game, cars which handle and sound different from the original ones supplied with the game. Everything else remains the same.

It's definitely worth downloading Berger. As Phil says, the handling is different from standard GTL and the cars are a joy to drive.

The performance is not balanced (there are also 2 groups within the usual TC65) and with Tony's great idea for drivers to take a different car for each race, it promises to be a brilliant series.

Cheque in the post GT, usual amount  ;)

From the Real GTL read me

Introduction to the Mod:
------------------------
this mod is revamp of physics to all original TC-65 cars and
Elite, to make them have real world based data and at the
same time, provide still much more close bumper to bumper
action in online racing. Yet, THIS IS NOT P&G for GT Legends
and it was never planned to be one. This is mod that tries to
bring the cars more close to real world Historics racing
nowadays, but the way so that car do have their distinctive
handling features, but still being competitive each other.

As absurd it might sound, the cars in original game had very
variably authentic engine, brake and gearbox information.
I have used basically all my free time (to be honest, more
than that...) since end of F1 Venue Racing Championship season
to go thru massive amount of sources from to net, libraries,
books, etc. to get real information for these cars. Difference
how the car behaves after changes varies a lot. U.S. Fords did
not change much, but Jaguar Mk II is again is totally different
beast.

Also, as we had quite good image how the cars compare each
other in racing, I noticed that there's no way getting Abarth
to realistic and competitive against Alfa GTA in same class.
Solution for this was to create two classes differentiated by
engine displacement. I selected 1224cc as biggest engine size
allowed in lower class, just for simple reason it providing
instantly 2 cars (Abarth and Elite) to lower class. I also had
the 1000cc Cooper S in the works which I ported to this lower
class straight away. Later on I found enough information about
two different types of R8 Gordinis, which smaller one fits to
lower class and those are included in mod as well.

Last, as REAL 1.0 will be used in F1 Venue Championship
2009 series, a lot of fuel tank information was accuired and all
Division 2 cars have now real tank sizes available to them.
Division 1 Cars are using up to date safe tanks and have
standardized sizes to keep competition as close as possible. Also
fuel consumption was totally redone to response known engine sizes.
These two combined, values were tuned so that pit stop strategies
would play some sort role in longer races.

Included cars are:

Division 1, under 1225cc:
- Fiat Abarth 1000TC
- Lotus Elite
- Mini Cooper 1000 S
- Renault 8 Gordini R1134 (1100cc)

Division 2, 1225cc and bigger:
- Mini Cooper 1275 S
- Renault 8 Gordini R1135 (1300cc)
- Lotus Cortina
- Alfa Romeo GTA
- Jaguar MK II
- Ford Falcon
- Ford Mustang

Will be in Edinburgh for this unfortunately. have fun guys.  :D

 Hi all....Will this championship run for the year or is it just a one off?  :)

from now until September

Looky here https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=334&theme=5

 :) Ok Thanks.

First time I have tried these cars. To me they seem a little bit easier to drive than the normal GTL cars, or maybe I'm just not driving them hard enough!  ;D

Anyway, having driven the Alfa in the recent Mugello race, I'm going with the Lotus Elite this time. 2.21s with it last night but I think I can knock a bit off that with a little more setup time.

...or something lighter, all driving the same car in every race. Only a proposal  ;D

Hmmm, then we would have to hold a poll before every race to find the most popular drive, leaving those whose choice didn't win with the chance to drive a car they didn't really want or worst still, dropping out.
Nah let's keep it as it is. It could throw up some intriguing grids.

Heck, I was considering the Elite as well.  :-\

and me.

But the Renaults are very good fun too.

Anyone tried joining our server yet?

I can see our server but when I try to join, I get the dreaded "Game not available. Host might be running an updated game...."

I think I followed the instructions correctly, but the mod seems to want to create its own GTL folder inside my installation which seems odd to me. Is that how it should be?

Edit: Just joined successfully with my usual install, so it seems the mod isn't running on the server yet.

Yep GT. When you install this mod, the installer create another GTL folder, so you have 2 options:

1) When you put the destination folder, you should avoid to install it into the GTL folder. Example:
My installation route for GTL is: C:\Games\GTL. So if you want to install the Real GTL mod correctly, you should put only this into the REAL GTL installer route: C:\Games - and it will install the mod correctly.

2) If you have already installed it into the main GTL folder, as you said, you should find another GTL folder inside. Drag it outside the main GTL folder on the desktop. Now Open the GTL folder (the Real GTL folder) and drag only the GAMEDATA (plus the 2 .txt files and the uninstaller) folder into your main GTL folder, overwriting the existing files if required. Now you should be able to join the server. I tested it and it worked for me ;).
There's no difference between Uppercase and lowercase, so even if the Real GTL folder are all written in uppercase, it's not a matter when you copy it into the GTL folder.

I hope to have been relatively clear on my explanation ??? ???

Cu :)

Thanks Manteos, but that doesn't explain how I'm able to join server without the mod installed, but am unable to join with the mod installed. In any case, unfortunately it looks like I can't race this Monday so at least I have some time to sort it all out  :(

Strange GT cos I set the RGTL running after Thursday's race. Just checked and it's running now. I haven't tried to join myself yet so maybe I should  ::)

EDIT: Yep worked for me, however I noticed that not all of the cars were available so I think I've fixed that.

 :) Installed fine for me.

Install works fine for me - just tested online too.

However - difficult decision which car to take tomorrow night  :-\

Cu tomorrow

Practice, qualifying and race time is GMT?

Correct, which I believe is 4 hours behind Georgia time.

Haven't managed to yet see the server in the lobby at the odd times I've checked since Friday. Is it running? I haven't changed anything but I checked my LOCAL_IP_LOBBY.TXT anyway and it contains 94.23.231.41, which I believe to be right.

It was there last night.

Practice server wasn't running, so I've restarted it. Managed to join this time too, so I must have sorted myself out  :)

Thanks GT, all OK now.

No time for any practice so I'm just going to take the easy option, use the same car as I did at our outing here on 5th Dec (Alfa) and hope the setups for the other cars work the same in these ones.

Practise server seems to turn itself off every now and then. Hopefully it will be stable for tonights event.

 :) Just to comfirm Tony we can only use the REAL GTL cars correct?

How do you know he's from Georgia?

He told that in the other thread ;)

The Gamers-Crib links are down - assume due to the new gaming server. ???

Any chance to upload the two files here - if somebody hasn't downloaded
them yet or spontaneously wants to join?

Tony, you're losing your marbles mate.  :laugh:

You say all cars are allowed and each can be used only once, right? Does that mean we'll race different classes combined? And isn't the number of cars available less than the number of races we're going to run? I'm just a bit confused how that's going to work to create close racing.

There are 11 [REAL] cars and there are 11 rounds to this series Hristo. There are indeed 2 classes which will race at the same time. If during these races we have a mix of faster drivers in slower cars and slower drivers in faster cars it could create some interesting battles throughout the field. However it turns out I reckon there will be some fun to be had for all.

I can now make this tonight, but I've done my back in  :wheelchair:  ::)

Correct

Not enough time really, is there?

I'm putting them on Gamefront now but no way will they be installed in time.

Arrrggghh...  I got 1.0 a couple of days ago but didn't have time to get 1.3 ::) What a dope... I wont be able to race either way. I'm waiting for a call from the vet hospital to pick up my dog that got into a minor tussle with opossum last night. Dog is fine :laugh:. Opossum is well :angel:.... That said, I was really looking forward on trying this new version of GTL and see what it's like ;D Next time ;), So have fun boys!!

Thanks Tony! :)

The mod download link is not working for me.

I found this using Google:

http://85.214.37.59/Sim%20Racing/GTL/Mods/RealMod/

Is it the same mod?

Yeh, looks like it, you need v1 plus the v1.3 update, I think.

Well, maybe it's not the same. I couldn't join properly.

Probably best if you don't leave it till Race night to download stuff.

Replay now posted but the results in the Championship table need some attention as they arn't showing the DivI results  ???

Could Alex Dummer add his Nationality to his profile please.

I've uploaded the Real GTL links to Gamefront and will add them to future race announcements.

Could you post those links now, so I can see if what I installed was the same mod? Because if it was, then the problem is elsewhere.

That was a disapointing one for me.

Had trouble-free online test sessions with the GTA on sunday and a - still valid - pb of 2.22.5,
and had hoped for further improvement during practice and race, but was unable to match that
time again (my best in free practice was a 2.23.1 only and that only after I did some setup changes).
For the race I went back to sunday's setup, started from first place  ::) and was handed over
to last place after one lap.  :-[

BTW - funny to watch the Gordini in first place  ;D

How could you go that pace during the race, Tony - best 2.23.3 ? "Chapeau!" That R8 is not an Audi  ;)

Then made two or three of my usual mistakes and was 20 or 30 seconds behind Tony, could close the gap
and pass Tony due to his own mistake. Then had a lonesome race up till the end with a best of 2.22.7 only.

Must admit that I had some higher expectations for this one - so the Alfa is gone for the series :'(.
Lets see what happens.

Incredible laptimes for the Tinas. In my test sessions the Tina was the slowest car for me with an unpredictable
handling (great difference to regular GTL), especially at the end of the corners.

Congrats to the podium.
Nice to see some new faces here.
Hope to se some bigger turnouts throughout the series.
And: well done Tony!

See you next time.

 :) Great race guys. I thought the random grid putting you on pole Tony was a nice touch, the Lengths some people will go to to get a good start!!!  ;D

Tony flew off the line and held his nerve for the first lap with some nice lines.

(http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n626/mcinderby/Tony1.jpg)

I was quite Happy to follow you Tony but Jack had other ideas!  ;)

(http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n626/mcinderby/tony2.jpg)

(http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n626/mcinderby/tony3.jpg)

Followed Jack passed Tony and then dived down the inside a T-last taking P1.

(http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n626/mcinderby/MJA.jpg)

Some nice close racing followed with Jack allowing the second Drummer to close the gap.  :-\  Jack and I both did a bit of off roading during are battle, these REAL cars are just a bit less edgy that the old ones I think and just a little more stable on the grass.  ;D Anyway around half distance I managed to get a small gap after both Drummers decided to battle with each other. (Just out of interest guys were you running short or long gear ratios?) Jack spun and Phil pushed up to P3 and then passed Ken for P2.

(http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n626/mcinderby/phi1.jpg)

I managed to get the gap up to around 6 seconds by the finish with tyres still feeling really good.

P1 Podium a nice start to the season. Its good to be racing with you guys again, but whats happened to the rest Ade, Leggsy etc? We had fields of 20 last year!!

Cheers
Mark (not Mike)  ;D

"Drummers"... lol


But you're right. There are still some more guys around who have to be motivated (Alex, Bill, Pelle, Sandor...).
I think Hristo and Navin will join next time.

Sounds like fun. I will be away in London for the next two weeks, Am commuting to BT near Stone, Staffs the week after
I might be home for the Mon and Thurs races. I would have been there last night but I am up in Edinburgh at the moment.

Good race early on, the Elite was more competitive than I expected.

Had to start near the back & the extra power of the Alfas & Cortinas told on the run to T1. Passed one or two on the first lap when they got a bit sideways! Surprised to start closing the gap on the lead group & got past Phil when he went grasstracking. He retook me on the S/F straight & the next lap I turned in too early at Casanova & the grass pulled me in & I couldn't get it back before the next turn & went off.

Rejoined behind GT but a couple of laps later I did the same again & also went off at the last turn  ::). Spent the rest of the race alone & came home a bit disappointed in 6th.

Congrats to Mark, Phil & Ken & to GT for winning Div1. :thumbup2:

Blimey you are well traveled Phspok.  :)

Chortle

Yep it happens, looks like they have taken pity on me being inthe smoke two weeks running
and I may be in Manchester (therefore at home) next Monday at least. Thursday tba

Go to the next race in this series. The links are there. https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=10218#event2866

Lovely reporting Guy's especially yours Mike. It's rewarding to see that much effort being taken.

Thanks to everyone who turned out. Yes we are suffering a bit from some absentees but it was nice to have some new faces racing with us. Perhaps not the most exciting season opener but in this one it's all about the long game.

Hope you all come to Daytona next week for a Shelby Cobra fest.

I hadn't planned on racing last night as I've been laid low with a head cold but knowing that I was going to miss GTL was intolerable so I dragged myself to the PC and got going. The Renault is hideous to drive and it's as aerodynamic as a brick. It handles especially badly once you've rammed the armco a couple of times. Just pleased to finish and happy in the knowledge that I still have the Alfa and Cortina in my garage  :P

So could you post working download links for the mod please, Tony? I don't know how much time I'll have in the upcoming days, so I'd like to sort out any issues asap.

Go to the next race in this series. The links are there. https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=10218#event2866

There's an echo in here.  ;D

 :) Links seem ok to me Tony !

Thanks. Links from http://downloads.gamers-crib.com don't work at all. It's possible the site has restricted access to certain global zones or countries. By the looks of it I had the correct mod installed yesterday, so that leaves me clueless as to what the problem was.

Hi Hristo. So you have installed GTL 1.1 & the 2 REAL GTL mods and the Simracing car pack correct?

Yes, I have everything installed.

So you should have two subfolders called DivI and DivII in your GTL under a folder called REAL-TC65.

I found what the problem is. Although the installer of the mod asks you to point towards your GTL folder, it actually creates a GTL folder itself and then GameData and so on inside. It should work fine when I copy those files to their correct place now. Will find out when I join the practice server next time.

Phew, let's hope so.

 :) :) Yes the update presumes GTL is on your (in my case C drive) if GTL is in a sub folder e.g. c/ games/GTL it will not find it. Luckily mine is C/GTL.

Hristo are you in a team?  :)

Yeah, Hiki-Waza Honda Racing (from UKGPL).  :)

No are you in a team with Simracing because there is a place waiting for you at team Oldie Racing if you are interested as we are a bit short on drivers this season.  ;D

Well, yes, it's a registered team here on Simracing, in the LM2 section, and I'm in it. You can see it showing up on GTL race results that I entered. Is it possible to join more than one team in the system?

 :) :) No I don't think Tony would allow that.....See you on track....Cheers. :)

I do wonder, because you can chose which series you want to be part of while driving for that team (that is, not using the ALL series option), so perhaps you can join another team for other series?

Well you are welcome to join if you are allowed.  ;)

Tony doesn't have a problem but wishes you two would get a room  ;)

OK M Cinerby, try to invite me from the LM2 team management section and we'll see what happens.

Sorry Tony.  ::)

Legzy is the team owner I will pass on your details and get him to sort it.  :)