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Title: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on December 09, 2011, 12:15:43 AM +0000
SANTAS V ELVES
Roll up, roll up! It’s time for the UKGPL Christmas Race otherwise known as Santas v Elves. This seasonal fun race has been proved rather popular in the past & I’m expecting this year’s to be bigger & more competitive than ever.
So how does it work? Well a bit different from last time.
As UKGPL keeps growing I’m expecting a good turn out so anyone who wants a drive should sign up here – everyone is welcome & the aim is to run two grids.
You have until Friday 16th December to enter.
Each grid will run two teams – Santas in red Ferraris & Elves in the green Lotus. The team line ups will be picked by the moderator (that’s me) & posted on Saturday. The race will run on Sunday 18th December.
The race will be run in 65 Mod at Watkins Glen.
Scoring will be as per normal UKGPL points, 50 for first, 43 for second, 37 for third etc. We will run on Intermediate settings with unlimited Shift R, but followed by a compulsory Stop & Go BUT every SnG will cost your team a 3 point deduction.
At the end of the races the joint scores from both grids will be tallied up & one team will win – or it might even be a draw.

Race List = IGOR
Servers = GRID 1 = UKGPL3 and GRID 2 = UKGPL8
IP address = TBA
Race date = Sunday 18-12-2011
Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Track = Snowglen (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Tracks/Snowglen/snowglen.7z)
Race length = Intermediate Long / 34 laps
Variant = 1965
Chassis =  Ferrari 512 or Lotus 33
Damage Model = Intermediate
Qualifying time = max. 30 minutes

Elves Grid 1
Jason (Blito)
Geoff65
Badblood
Ivan
Attilio
Bernie
Doni
Elves Grid 2
Natan
Billy
Wrinkleydms
John Roberts
Tristan / Magic A
Baab
Vos

Santa's Grid 1
Sky
Nigel
Fabio
Axel (Cookie)
Alex
Mark
Evil
Santa's Grid 2
Mini ??
Nicky Ickx
Samb
Hristo
Juha
Tom G
Phillipe Girrard



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) - Watkins Glen (Classic) - Dec 18
Post by: blito on December 09, 2011, 06:51:38 AM +0000
Count me in :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) - Watkins Glen (Classic) - Dec 18
Post by: Geoff65 on December 09, 2011, 07:45:59 AM +0000
Ho Ho Ho!!.....(Who called these 3 "ladies" anyway?)... :angel:
Yep count me in, sounds like fun!! And for all those that may be ELVES, watch out for Hristo!!.... :eek: :eek:



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) - Watkins Glen (Classic) - Dec 18
Post by: s2173 on December 09, 2011, 10:18:25 AM +0000
No dwarves with brabys? I guess i'l go with santas then. I hate elves...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) - Watkins Glen (Classic) - Dec 18
Post by: Nigel Smith on December 09, 2011, 10:41:31 AM +0000
  Sign me up Billy. Looking for a bit of fun to lighten the dark winter days :) I've no preference, although I do have a beard and my ears aren't pointy ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) - Watkins Glen (Classic) - Dec 18
Post by: BadBlood on December 09, 2011, 10:59:58 AM +0000
Call me Legolas...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) - Watkins Glen (Classic) - Dec 18
Post by: il_lupo_mannaro on December 09, 2011, 06:35:02 PM +0000
My name is Claus, Santa Claus... :punk:
Count me in


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) - Watkins Glen (Classic) - Dec 18
Post by: s2173 on December 09, 2011, 06:54:16 PM +0000
Il be Sandy Claws then...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) - Watkins Glen (Classic) - Dec 18
Post by: Cookie on December 09, 2011, 08:01:54 PM +0000
I hate this Cola man...

I will race in red like a devil!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) - Watkins Glen (Classic) - Dec 18
Post by: 1967driver on December 09, 2011, 09:12:24 PM +0000
Present with 1512.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) - Watkins Glen (Classic) - Dec 18
Post by: fpolicardi on December 09, 2011, 10:43:35 PM +0000
Sry, have to work Sunday 18th :(
Ciao


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) - Watkins Glen (Classic) - Dec 18
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on December 12, 2011, 12:55:10 PM +0000
The seasonal gathering isn’t as popular as I suspected. If there are less than 20 sign ups before this Friday then we will run with one grid. Those who have already signed up will be allocated to teams, any remaining spaces might be allocated to others who turn up on the night.
Santa bright red sleigh drawn by a team of prancing horses seem the popular choice – I will take account of preferences but may have to disappoint some in order to get a balanced grid.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) - Watkins Glen (Classic) - Dec 18
Post by: BadBlood on December 12, 2011, 12:59:59 PM +0000
If we can get it working Billy, Mini would like a drive as well.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) - Watkins Glen (Classic) - Dec 18
Post by: EvilClive on December 12, 2011, 01:26:14 PM +0000
I can do this race in either of my outfits  ;)       But, I'm afraid I don't have an Elf or Santa costume  ::)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) - Watkins Glen (Classic) - Dec 18
Post by: ivandjj on December 12, 2011, 02:21:10 PM +0000
No dwarves with brabys? I guess i'l go with santas then. I hate elves...

dwarves with brabys, yeah  :euro:

missing that, i'll rather be green than red.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) - Watkins Glen (Classic) - Dec 18
Post by: Artiglietti on December 12, 2011, 03:28:31 PM +0000
I will be there as well, with whichever car is available. Although I have an hunch is going to be a drive for the elves, which might not be such a bad idea considering the battering we got as Santa's team last year  ;D ;D ;D. Do we get the track sprinkled with snow this time around?  :sorcerer:


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) - Watkins Glen (Classic) - Dec 18
Post by: bernie on December 12, 2011, 05:07:29 PM +0000
And Me ! and Me ! please can I play , can I please  :wub:

promise to be good  :angel-wings:


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) - Watkins Glen (Classic) - Dec 18
Post by: wrinkleydms on December 12, 2011, 09:54:41 PM +0000
Can I have a go?
cheers David :)
wrinkleydms


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) - Watkins Glen (Classic) - Dec 18
Post by: Doni Yourth on December 13, 2011, 12:11:31 AM +0000
I'll throw my hat into the ring.

Lotus, svp.



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) - Watkins Glen (Classic) - Dec 18
Post by: Raoni Frizzo on December 13, 2011, 02:58:20 AM +0000
I think I'll be able to race next Sunday :)

My preference is Ferrari. But if there's not room, no problem for me driving a Lotus ;)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) - Watkins Glen (Classic) - Dec 18
Post by: Mark75 Barresi on December 13, 2011, 05:26:41 PM +0000

Present with ferrari


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) - Watkins Glen (Classic) - Dec 18
Post by: BadBlood on December 14, 2011, 10:26:43 AM +0000
Bernie, wrinkley (or is that wrinkly Bernie..., sorry mate, couldn't resist) you gonna be elvish green or coca cola red?

As for snow, how about Snowglen?


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) - Watkins Glen (Classic) - Dec 18
Post by: bernie on December 14, 2011, 11:55:41 AM +0000
Being a true Brit I shall take the Loti please  ;)

does that make me an elv or a warloc  ::)



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) - Watkins Glen (Classic) - Dec 18
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on December 14, 2011, 12:15:01 PM +0000


As for snow, how about Snowglen?
As of now we can be accomodated on one grid - but still time for new entries.
If Badblood & Cookie can load Snowglen onto their servers we can race there. For anyone who hasn't tried this it is Watkins Glen given a winter make-over but the track characteristics are the same.
Will wait for Badblood & Cookie to confirm before changing the post.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) - Watkins Glen (Classic) - Dec 18
Post by: kinghiro on December 14, 2011, 12:30:21 PM +0000
I live alone and only highlight of christmas is this race and ..sniff...I work that night :'(


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) - Watkins Glen (Classic) - Dec 18
Post by: BadBlood on December 14, 2011, 01:19:03 PM +0000
Can you take your laptop to work?

I'll load Snowglen tomorrow.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) - Watkins Glen (Classic) - Dec 18
Post by: bernie on December 14, 2011, 04:45:21 PM +0000
does we have to load slowglen I'm slow enough already  ::)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) - Watkins Glen (Classic) - Dec 18
Post by: natan5 on December 14, 2011, 04:51:59 PM +0000
Is there some spare loti for me ? ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) - Watkins Glen (Classic) - Dec 18
Post by: Cookie on December 14, 2011, 06:34:21 PM +0000
SnowGlen tested, running fine ;)

server and client and me ;D



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) - Watkins Glen (Classic) - Dec 18
Post by: Geoff65 on December 15, 2011, 12:58:07 AM +0000
Acceptances for SnowGlen as they stood at 15/12/2011. Check page 1 for the latest list. (Cheekily edited by BB)

Elves
Jason
Geoff65
Badblood
Ivan
Attilio
Bernie
Doni
Natan
Billy

Santa's
Sky
Nigel
Fabio
Axel
Alex
Mark
Evil
Mini ?? (Providing Paul sorts out connection problems)

Room for 1 or 2(?) more on this server, are we going to need another? Come on chaps, pick a coloured suit and join in!!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) - Watkins Glen (Classic) - Dec 18
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on December 15, 2011, 08:31:23 AM +0000
Geoff,

Thanks for posting the split. I'll be joining the fun - definitely Elf Squad.
One more space but don't let that put people off as we can run 2 grids.
I'm working off the lap top so if anyone can post a track link for Snowglen that would be great. I will update the main post by Friday at latest.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) - Watkins Glen (Classic) - Dec 18
Post by: Cookie on December 15, 2011, 08:48:33 AM +0000

SnowGlen track!

ATM the trackdatabase is down...

So I upped it here (http://www.sendspace.com/file/zn7hrt)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) - Watkins Glen (Classic) - Dec 18
Post by: BadBlood on December 15, 2011, 10:33:44 AM +0000
Not down for me...  ???

Snowglen is running fine on UKGPL3 and it is up for practice...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) - Watkins Glen (Classic) - Dec 18
Post by: bernie on December 15, 2011, 10:54:00 AM +0000
whats the benchmark lap to aim at for me Lotus  (hub caps removed )  :stupid:


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 21 (2011) - Watkins Glen (Classic) - Dec 18
Post by: BadBlood on December 15, 2011, 10:57:29 AM +0000
1:11? I will be pleased with a 1:12. Pros dipped into the 1:09's but only just.


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: bernie on December 15, 2011, 11:23:51 AM +0000
Axel's link wants to install iLivid download manager plus all the toolbar add on's stuff , is that the correct file dont really want it to change stuff on me pewter and trash the thing  ::)


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: bernie on December 15, 2011, 11:43:45 AM +0000
Ignore the above , silly me was clicking the wrong download button  ::)


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: BadBlood on December 15, 2011, 11:58:17 AM +0000
It is REALLY irritating when download sites do that. The track is also here (ftp://ukgpl.dyndns.org/tracks/snowglen/snowglen.7z)

As for times - definitely 1:10s - I am in the 1:11-1:12 range so it MUST be quicker than that ;)

Now - setup advice please, the front left is getting too hot and the front right isn't getting hot enough. Temperatures are pretty even across the tyre (not perfect but within 4 deg) but one side is hot and the other cold - stiffen the springs on the cold side and loosen on the hot side?


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: EvilClive on December 15, 2011, 12:44:02 PM +0000
Changing the spring rates might help a little Paul ( or even a big Paul ;D ).

 But I always find WG one of those tracks where all the heavily loaded corners are right handers, so the front left and/or rear left tyre is going to suffer. Although Monza is similarly right hand biased I find that the longer straights give just enough time for the tyres to recover.

It will be bad with a heavy fuel load and should improve as the car lightens, but I find that I have to manage my speed and expectations in the early laps and maybe ease off just slightly through The Loop for a lap if the tyre temps go too high. It is surprising how just a slightly less aggressive lap will cool the tyres.


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: BadBlood on December 15, 2011, 01:02:33 PM +0000
Thanks Clive. I never melt the front left but it is the lack of grip from the front right that concerns me most...


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: bernie on December 15, 2011, 03:05:17 PM +0000
Thanks Clive. I never melt the front left but it is the lack of grip from the front right that concerns me most...

For each tyre we have Left  Centre  Right  Temps

For LHS of our car,  if the outer L is too "hot" we need more -ve camber ( i.e. a bigger -ve number ) If the inside is too hot we need a more +ve number

If C is too hot we need to reduce (less)  tyre pressure , if too cold we need more tyre pressure

For RHS of car it is the opposite

e.g.  if RHS Front wheel L is too hot decrease camber (make it less negative / more +ve number )

Works the same for front and rear tyres

HTH



Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: 1967driver on December 15, 2011, 04:06:57 PM +0000
Questions:
1 - Which track, Glen or Snowglen (are two different circuits, for GPL and Igor) ?
2 - How many laps ?


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: BadBlood on December 15, 2011, 04:23:33 PM +0000
We intend to run Snowglen, Alex. As for laps, Fun races are usually about 30-40 mins. so 34 laps or so I think.

The reason I have left Watkins Glen or Snowglen is that if people do not have it by race night we can switch to Watkins Glen as EVERYONE will have that.


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: NickyIckx on December 15, 2011, 05:25:37 PM +0000
 ;) if still possible I like to take part ...
 ??? only green masquerade habit I have atm , is an crocodile thinghie .. ;D so dont panic  , its only me


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: s2173 on December 15, 2011, 06:11:56 PM +0000
No reason to panic... i dont see The Werewolf around here atleast... ::)


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: wrinkleydms on December 15, 2011, 09:52:40 PM +0000
HI Badblood, i'm please it's not just me wondering how the fast lads do 2-09's, like you I am struggling to get into2-11's. It's a puzzle 'cos there's not that many corners to lose 2/3 second on!!
Do you think it is a setup problem ? if so anyone got a good one for both cars, as I don't know which car I will be driving(if at all).
cheers David


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: wrinkleydms on December 15, 2011, 10:27:07 PM +0000
Don't see my name on the list?
cheers David
Wrinkleydms


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on December 15, 2011, 10:31:19 PM +0000
Don't see my name on the list?
cheers David
Wrinkleydms
David - nothing personal its just our organising. I've put you in a  Lotus.
Have also included a driver list in the post at the top of the thread.
Geoff can you just confirm you are driving - or had you pencilled yourself out?
Now up to 19 so we'll have to split the grid if there are more sign ups.


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: BadBlood on December 15, 2011, 11:14:06 PM +0000
HI Badblood, i'm please it's not just me wondering how the fast lads do 2-09's, like you I am struggling to get into2-11's. It's a puzzle 'cos there's not that many corners to lose 2/3 second on!!
Do you think it is a setup problem ? if so anyone got a good one for both cars, as I don't know which car I will be driving(if at all).
cheers David

If you are doing 2:11's at Watkins you need to worry! I think (I HOPE) you mean 1:11. It is almost certainly a combination of setup and skill. Until I changed my setup I couldn't get below 1:13 - mostly that was setting the gears and then equalising the tyre temps. It is the only circuit where I have really played around with it. Most of the time though comes from the superior skill in carrying speed. You lose a little time in the corners but because the exit speed is higher they are faster all the way down the straight. Try braking earlier and aim to accelerate from the apex. Although it seems odd, braking earlier speeds you up. And make sure you let the gas go completely while braking - made a big difference to me.

The guys always tell me to use higher gears but I find I lose too many revs.

Good luck and get on to UKGPL3 for a bit of praccy...


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: wrinkleydms on December 15, 2011, 11:21:16 PM +0000
Thanks guys for the info, I tried online this evening at 11pm-nobody about unless they were going so fast that I didn't see them!
Are you guys getting around in 1 minute something, bad luck for the elves that I am in them .
cheers David


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: BadBlood on December 15, 2011, 11:44:02 PM +0000
Just did 12 laps at an average of 1:12.86 and that will put me lastish...


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: Geoff65 on December 16, 2011, 12:45:37 AM +0000
Nah, too computer intensive for my poor laptop.....only did 5 laps and it's still on life support, I'll be giving this one a miss.

UPDATE: Fixed the FPS problems..I'm still in, looking somewhat Elven.....


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: s2173 on December 16, 2011, 01:18:49 AM +0000
What are you doing to it? It can hardly be worse than mine... and mine has problems on weery few tracks, snowglen is gefinetly not one of them...wery light track imo.

Heres my specs... p4 1.6 ghz, 500 mb ram, mobility radeon 7500 32 mb vram, win xp sp2... im usially running a browser, a chat client and Office Word 2007 at the back too... no firewall, Avira Antivir usially on...

Gpl v2 rasterisers have quite alot of settings, you know that? You should be able to make it run much better if you turn some things off... Heres my Gem+ rasteriser settings, with directx v2: 
Max mip size: 128 (makes thigs abit fuzzy, but i like it better that way... dont like it too sharp)
lod bias: 0
Toss biggest mips: 1
No anisotrophic filtering (maybe abit edgy, but only on low resolutions)
32 bit graphics: off (they dont look better)
Vsync: off
direct mirr. render: off
trilinear: off
Mirror size: 128
Use zbuffer
zbuffer with grouping
1024x768 resolution (i see no use to go higher than that...)

Biggest fps hit actually is from antialiasing... you have to turn it off from your graphic card settings. Right click on desktop, properties, display, advanced, it should be somwhere around there... put it either fully off or "at application preference"

Try these things... im certain your laptop should be able to run any track at 36 fps with full grid, if you get the settings right.

Some laptops have "intel speedstep"... this thing often downclocks your proccesor, so a 2ghz laptop might be running at 500 mhz... We will try that later, gpl usially runs at "high priority" and  doesnt allow that... for now, try disabling antialiasing.


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: il_lupo_mannaro on December 16, 2011, 06:20:03 AM +0000
No reason to panic... i dont see The Werewolf around here atleast... ::)

I'm here, Sky, I'm always here, even if I'm dressed as Santa...
 :taz:


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: EvilClive on December 16, 2011, 08:56:47 AM +0000
HI Badblood, i'm please it's not just me wondering how the fast lads do 2-09's, like you I am struggling to get into2-11's. It's a puzzle 'cos there's not that many corners to lose 2/3 second on!!
Do you think it is a setup problem ? if so anyone got a good one for both cars, as I don't know which car I will be driving(if at all).
cheers David

If you are doing 2:11's at Watkins you need to worry! I think (I HOPE) you mean 1:11. It is almost certainly a combination of setup and skill. Until I changed my setup I couldn't get below 1:13 - mostly that was setting the gears and then equalising the tyre temps. It is the only circuit where I have really played around with it. Most of the time though comes from the superior skill in carrying speed. You lose a little time in the corners but because the exit speed is higher they are faster all the way down the straight. Try braking earlier and aim to accelerate from the apex. Although it seems odd, braking earlier speeds you up. And make sure you let the gas go completely while braking - made a big difference to me.

The guys always tell me to use higher gears but I find I lose too many revs.

Good luck and get on to UKGPL3 for a bit of praccy...

One thing that I have not seen mentioned about setups and gearing ( although I suspect that someone has somewhere, and I missed it!) is  the setup page on GEM. This offers some extra information and some additional setup variables not available within the GPL setup screen.

It gives you all the same parameters that you get within GPL except they are all on one page so there is no flicking between suspension and gearing. Plus there are more diff ratios available allowing you to find something between 85/45 and 60/45 if you think that only a small change is needed and when you get more confident with setups there are "fine adjust" options too.

BUT,  Something that is very useful when it comes to sorting out revs and gear ratios are the graphs for TORQUE and HORSEPOWER.
I guess you will have experienced that moment when you take a slow corner and find that the car just refuses to accelerate for about 30 minutes because the engine revs have dropped out of the "power band". This little graph shows you how wide that optimum area is  for your chosen car and helps decide how wide your ratio spacings can be.

The Porsche in GT's has an almost flat torque curve which is why it can pull away from corners in almost any gear without losing pace, whereas something like the 65 Honda needs the gearing to be just right or else nothing happens.
The HORSEPOWER curve has to be treated with a little caution I find. Although we want to use the maximum horsepower available by wringing the neck of the engine at max revs, we have to be aware that some engines will not survive at those RPM's....like the Honda! Although the graph indicates that it will rev to about 14K, max Torque is available at around only 12K-12.5K. We want the engine to be somewhere just below the max torque revs( maybe 10.5K-11K) as we prepare to exit a corner.
That way, the engine will deliver the most grunt (=acceleration) as we floor the gas leaving the corner but, if we try to extract all the available power by revving to 14K the life of the engine will be very short. So setting a rev limit of around 12.5K on the 65 Honda by adjusting gear ratios to hit that figure at the end of the longest straight, means we use the grunt of the engine rather than the ultimate revs to get us to the chequered flag.

Remember to save any setup changes to the correct DRIVER/TRACK directory. It takes a little getting used to after the standard Pappy setup sheet but you might find playing with options instructive.


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: MagicArsouille on December 16, 2011, 10:34:22 AM +0000
 ;) Hi M8S.....hum ! ....It' s possible to race with you in SnowGlenn ?? let me know if there is a free seat and witch chassi ?...... THX  ;D       
   ( but don't change anything for me .... I 'ave another race possible the Dec.18 in GPLRACER ) :fencing:


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: BadBlood on December 16, 2011, 11:20:41 AM +0000
Of course there is room. You have to choose if you want to drive for the Elves (Lotus 33) or Santa (Ferrari).


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: vosblod on December 16, 2011, 11:27:14 AM +0000
As long as it doesn't mean splitting one big grid to two small one's I should be back by then so would like to join.
If it messes up the grids don't worry I can go on standby.


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: john roberts on December 16, 2011, 12:27:03 PM +0000
would you have a spare green car going .... for my return to racing with ukgpl?

john


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: BadBlood on December 16, 2011, 12:30:24 PM +0000
Excellent JR. Always room for you.

I think we are up to about 2223 or so Vos. It depends who turns up on Sunday, of course, but I think we might be able to run two sleighs if a few more get their stockings out...

We will need FOUR captains.

Let us see who manages to make it but the list is on the first page

Two grids of eleven+ perhaps. No Martin or Alistair so I think two grids very reasonable. Won't run with less than 12 say.

Both Cookie and I are set to host so we will just see how it goes. Whatever Tim, YOU ARE RACING! This is GOD speaking!  ;)


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: jhalli on December 16, 2011, 12:45:56 PM +0000
ok count me in


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: BadBlood on December 16, 2011, 01:11:25 PM +0000
23 now!!! C'mon guys see if we can get to 30.


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: NickyIckx on December 16, 2011, 02:34:35 PM +0000
 ??? post Nr. 1 shows me as Santa\Ferrari  , another post as lapland /undecided .

which car should I use ?

would prefer Fezza , Lotus would be ok  too


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: BadBlood on December 16, 2011, 02:55:46 PM +0000
Ooops - sorry Nicky. You are a Santa (Ferrari). Best to keep it in one place - I will remove mine and Geoff's list.


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: NickyIckx on December 16, 2011, 04:25:44 PM +0000
 :) cheers


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: blito on December 16, 2011, 05:47:08 PM +0000
Just did 12 laps at an average of 1:12.86 and that will put me lastish...

Last season at the glen I peaked at 1:11.something....Seem to recall being last on the grid as well....


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: Samb on December 16, 2011, 07:18:35 PM +0000
If everyone doesn't mind splitting the field, I'd quite like to tag along. Nothing like a dose of GPL to combat the pain of pulling an all-nighter to finish a bloody assignment  ::).


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: Hristo Itchov on December 16, 2011, 07:49:20 PM +0000
May I sign up as a reserve, in case either team has an open spot on the day of the event? I'll be available and snowglen looks like a good venue to have a race at.


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: Geoff65 on December 16, 2011, 08:53:55 PM +0000
would you have a spare green car going .... for my return to racing with ukgpl?

john

Welcome back.


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: BadBlood on December 16, 2011, 09:50:53 PM +0000
If everyone doesn't mind splitting the field, I'd quite like to tag along. Nothing like a dose of GPL to combat the pain of pulling an all-nighter to finish a bloody assignment  ::).

May I sign up as a reserve, in case either team has an open spot on the day of the event? I'll be available and snowglen looks like a good venue to have a race at.

You are both in. Raoni said he might make it as well so that is 26 :o


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on December 16, 2011, 11:20:09 PM +0000
26 & counting - we will defintely run two grids.
Glad to see some old friends & some new!
Just to clarify the rules - you can express a preference of chassis but the Moderator has final say so.
If you don't express a preference you will be alloacted.
There are no team Captains.
Final line up will be published tomorrow - along with your grid allocation.


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: MagicArsouille on December 16, 2011, 11:53:44 PM +0000
great ! .....if I have choise , I take the lotus.....if I 've no choise , I take what you want ..... ;D


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: Hristo Itchov on December 16, 2011, 11:58:13 PM +0000
Chose a car? It says only Ferrari and Lotus, so not much of a choice there. I don't mind either one really, I think they should be on par at this track, maybe with a slight edge of the Lotus.


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: tom_g on December 17, 2011, 12:32:17 AM +0000
hello

can i race with you ?
If its possible i'll take the ferrari :P

let me know :)

thanks!


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: bernie on December 17, 2011, 11:16:19 AM +0000
Chose a car? It says only Ferrari and Lotus, so not much of a choice there. I don't mind either one really, I think they should be on par at this track, maybe with a slight edge of the Lotus.

Not if I'm sitting in the drivers seat  ;D


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: Baab on December 17, 2011, 12:02:43 PM +0000
Hi Guys,

If there is still space I'd like to drive too, Lotus would be my preference but I'll drive whatever you'd like me to.

I checked this thread the other day and there were few posts, now there are 5 pages!!

Bob.


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: Philippe Girard on December 17, 2011, 08:44:13 PM +0000
hi
can i race with you ?
IThis is the same track to papys ? watkins glen ?

thanks


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on December 17, 2011, 09:35:59 PM +0000
Philippe - Snowglen is different to Watkins Glen - there is a download link at the top of this page OR the link posted by Cookie (page 3?). But Snowglen drives exactly the same as Watkins.

I have also changed the post at the top of this thread to allocate everyone a chassis & a grid.
We have 28 sign ups - 7 Elves & 7 Santas on each Grid - thanks for your support!

There is room for some last minute entrants - but please sign into IGOR before 9.00 tomorrow - we will do our best to sort you out.


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: Raoni Frizzo on December 17, 2011, 11:52:56 PM +0000
I think I'll be home in time for this one...not 100% certainly, but i'll try to be home in time.

My preference is Ferrari, but any car is good for me :)


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: dave curtis on December 18, 2011, 12:48:48 AM +0000
It seems to me that there appears to be far too much fun taking place in them there '65s!
If there is room at the back for a small slow one, then I'm interested!  Consider me last resort, 2nd reserve.  FUN right?!


<RAMBLE>
However, I should add...
I've just downloaded the track & random setups for both challengers.  This along with the fact that this would be my first '65 'race' could be real humbling experience!   By driving similar style to the '67s (i.e badly!) a couple of recce laps in both shows time of 1:15.  I assume that is nothing to be proud of,  but the subject does state 'FUN'... :)

No preference either way & not enough experience.  If they can be compared to the '67s,  then possibly the red one is less likely to end up spewing it's component parts over the track with me at the wheel.
</RAMBLE>


ok, not the greatest CV ever;  but maybe I can muster up a point or two.   But the emphasis is FUN right?!

Cheers,
Dave.


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: Hristo Itchov on December 18, 2011, 12:53:11 AM +0000
You shouldn't worry about mechanical damage, Dave, the 65s are quite reliable, even if you abuse them. I don't recall seeing a Lotus blow up, ever!  ::) A Ferrari maybe just once, in my own hands lol...


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: BadBlood on December 18, 2011, 01:26:05 AM +0000
hello

can i race with you ?
If its possible i'll take the ferrari :P

let me know :)

thanks!

of course Tom. Always a place for you. See you in iGOR. Bob and Dave too!


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: blito on December 18, 2011, 10:44:50 AM +0000
You shouldn't worry about mechanical damage, Dave, the 65s are quite reliable, even if you abuse them. I don't recall seeing a Lotus blow up, ever!  ::) A Ferrari maybe just once, in my own hands lol...

I blew up a '65 Ferrari a few seasons ago.... Not yet blown up a Lotus 33... maybe tonights the night :D
 


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: wrinkleydms on December 18, 2011, 04:28:45 PM +0000
Hi all,is it worth mentioning that the race length is longer that the normal Int long of 24 laps, or is it known to the majority that you don't always run as gpl sets up? In my ignorance of racing on line I thought i'd check.
cheers David


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: Geoff65 on December 18, 2011, 06:30:29 PM +0000
Hi all,is it worth mentioning that the race length is longer that the normal Int long of 24 laps, or is it known to the majority that you don't always run as gpl sets up? In my ignorance of racing on line I thought i'd check.
cheers David

We can do tricky little things like resetting the race distance in the track.ini    ;)


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: HendyNichols on December 18, 2011, 07:29:27 PM +0000
If I can race I'll take a ferrari over a lotus ;)


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: wrinkleydms on December 18, 2011, 08:13:14 PM +0000
Thanks Geoff, what clever boys ::)!!
cheers David


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: BadBlood on December 18, 2011, 09:17:16 PM +0000
Hristo, SamB - you are SERVER 2/ GRID 2 = UKGPL8. Good luck.


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: BadBlood on December 19, 2011, 12:04:55 AM +0000
Results are IN:

Pos Driver                          Team   Points    
 1  Tristan Bot                     Elves   50
 2  skx skx                         Santas   43
 3  Sam Blood                       Santas   37
 4  Bob Whitwell                    Elves   32
 5  john roberts 65                 Elves   28
 6  Nicky Ickx65                    Santas   25
 7  HENDY NICHOLS65                 Santas   23
 8  Vlad Vosblod                    Elves   21
 9  Billy Nobrakes                  Elves   19
10  Juha Halli65                    Santas   17
11  David Smith 65                  Elves   15
12  Philippe GIRARD                 Santas   13
13  natan vix 65                    Elves   11


Pos Driver                          Team   Points
 1  Al Heller65                     Elves   50
 2  Alex Barresi                    Santas   43
 3  Mark75 Barresi                  Santas   37
 4  Axel Cookie                     Santas   32
 5  65 evilclive                    Santas   28
 6  Nigel Smith65                   Santas   25
 7  Bernie65 darwin                 Elves   23
 8  Dave 65 Curtis                  Santas   21
 9  Paul Whitfield 65               Elves   19
10  Fabio 65 Locarno                Santas   17
11  Attilio Artiglietti             Elves   15
12  Geoff Heard65                   Elves   13
13  Doni65                          Elves   11
14  Jason Blito                     Elves   9
15  Skymole 2173 -m65               Santas   7

Elves: 50 + 50 + 32 + 28 + 23 + 21 + 19 + 19 + 15 + 15 + 13 + 11 + 11 + 9
Santas:43 + 43 + 37 + 37 + 32 + 28 + 25 + 25 + 23 + 21 + 17 + 17 + 13 + 7

As you can see, on this basis Santas have won by a considerable margin on the points so

SANTA 1 ELVES 0

BUT

Elves won both races so on that basis...

ELVES 1 SANTA 0

So in the interests of harmony I declare the race....


A DRAW

Guess which team I was on  ;D


Well done everyone, great fun and thanks to Billy for organising and Cookie for Server and Replays.

Alright, Santas won :(

This is without the points deductions for SnG but it didn't make any difference in the end...

Replays and reports can be found here (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Replays/Fun_Races)



Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: dave curtis on December 19, 2011, 01:05:29 AM +0000
Thanks for the event, allowing my late entry & analysis.  Thanks also for sticking me with the reds! :)

Well done teamies - hopefully I didn't impede you too much.  Over the sleigh bells I could just about hear "Now,  other Santas are faster than you...  ;)      [of course, that would work better with "Elfonso"....]

Started again from the ideal viewing position (the back).  By the time the race had settled down, it was quite lonely out there - although Prib certainly made it clear that any mistakes would have meant losing out somewhat.

A couple of brief ding-dongs,  but hopefully no resulting issues.

I'm new to the '65s, but was quite pleased to have knocked nearly 5secs off my previous PB (although admittedly that was after about my previous 3 laps round this snowy version in '65 chassis).   I feel my suspicions were correct though,  1:15 would not have been particularly competitive round here.

All in all, pleased to remain unlapped round such a short circuit & end up in the top 10.  Admittedly, I probably made most time from not requiring a S&G.   

Thanks once more, we must do this again some time!

Cheers,
Dave.


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: 1967driver on December 19, 2011, 07:40:02 AM +0000
I had a look at replays, and i now understand why Control Towers have complained: they were more machines in air (or in takeoff) than those on the ground!
I think it's time to move to 60 fps: as already said Axel, in this mode collisions are calculated more accurately by GPL, and this greatly reduces the risk of ending up in orbit for having been touched by another machine.
If you agree, i open a discussion with a tutorial on this argument, and i am committed to follow anyone who had trouble getting GPL to run in 60 fps.


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: EvilClive on December 19, 2011, 09:09:05 AM +0000
Thanks to those who organised the races, this has become an annual event and is always great fun.

I swallowed my pride and climbed into a RED car, which I suppose was marginally better than a GREEN car  :-\, and was mildly surprised to find that it was instantly quite driveable.

I tried to tweak the setup to squeeze the extra 0.5 secs I needed to get on terms with the fast guys, but no matter what I did nothing really improved. The car seemed very stable on race fuel so I was content to follow the pack for the first few laps until Alex suddenly slowed as we crossed the line  :o and I almost ran into him!! 
Up ahead one of Elves was hassling a poor Santa so I slowly closed up to offer my fellow Santa some support. It transpired that it was that Doni-elf making a nuisance of himself on Axel's gearbox.  Once I got into the slipstream it was easy to catch them and as we entered The Loop Axel and Doni took a wide line whilst I took my favoured line hooked up against the inside Kerb. Unfortunately this put me in Doni's blind spot and I don't think he realised how much extra speed I had carried into the corner and how close I was. Doni got a slight twitch half way around the bend and his car jinked towards the inside and we made contact...quite spectacularly!!.
It took ages to Shift-R and I was disappointed to see that Doni did not also rejoin.
A quick visit to to the pits for a SnG and I was LAST!! From there it could only get better and I pushed hard for almost 25 laps gaining places as some cars retired and passing some others.  I have to say that the pace of almost every driver was impressive!! no-one was slow and it took several laps to find a way past each and every one of them. To finish 5th and bolster the Santa's score was a good feeling after the early race.

Grats to Al who once again showed his pace and to everyone for taking part .


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: BadBlood on December 19, 2011, 09:24:51 AM +0000
Started again from the ideal viewing position (the back).  By the time the race had settled down, it was quite lonely out there - although Prib certainly made it clear that any mistakes would have meant losing out somewhat.

Dave and I were marooned at the back by our qualifying times and I was really pleased with mine... I didn't even see the flag and so I was in my normal position - dead last.

I caught him early on after he made a mistake and thought I could keep ahead but busy elf Bernie needed to get past and I didn't leave hime enough room at the last turn which meant I spun off and lost the place again. I set off in pursuit and caught Dave eating his mince pies but unfortunately for me I didn't have enough pace for a pass and he didn't make any more mistakes (curses) and then my front left melted so I couldn't keep up. In the circumstances I was pretty pleased with ninth although as Dave said, it was pretty and lonely out there...

One thing I was REALLY pleased about was that last Season I took 39:53 to do 32 laps. This time I manged the whole 34 laps (didn't get lapped - WOOHHOO!) in 41.14 -1.21 longer. No real mistakes either... ;) I'll take it!


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: NickyIckx on December 19, 2011, 12:59:29 PM +0000
 :) :)That was big fun !  I really enjoyed  this , as well scenery of snow covered Glenn was nice to look at . Being an speeding Santa for sure is a special feeling too. Hohoho .
 ;D As to the race : lots of flying cars , myself constantly mid speed nothing special .

 :( :( My Apologizes to Juha ! wasn’t my intention to overtake ,neither to attack . Quite the contrary was my plan …. Thought best to stay behind you . And  with another Fezza behind me , making an nice Ferrari train hard to break … well even though replay shows my car not over speeded hanging in your slipstream ( I extra off throttle ) I simply kicked into Juha . All over my fault . Again SORRY !.

 :o Very expressive fast laptimes by the front guys , big hand ! as well sort of expressive what two of our frontrunners do extract out the meaning of `We will run on Intermediate settings with unlimited Shift R, but followed by a compulsory Stop & Go ` .

 :) :D Grats to all Elves and Santa and to those making this race taken place !

 ??? Any do know , where to download snowy Rouen ?


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: Al Heller on December 19, 2011, 01:18:25 PM +0000
I seem to be having a bit of a purple patch at the moment & once again luck was on my side here. Art did a great lap for pole (interesting that both grids had the same, very quick, pole time of 1:08.8 ) & I lined up 3rd behind Mark's Ferrari. First half of the race was stalemate with the three of us locked together & since my fellow elf was leading, I was content to sit in 3rd for the first part of the race to see how things panned out.

Being so closely matched it was not easy to pass here & when Mark & AA touched at Big Bend around half-distance I was elevated to 2nd. With elf-honour at stake I chased hard to try & make a push for the lead - then Mark seemed to get caught out by traffic ahead, touched the grass & suddenly spun across the back straight. He was heading right, so I went left but then of course his car spun back across the track directly into my path :P I hit Mark nose first yet somehow my car remained intact. Then as I was regaining momentum Art ploughed into the back of me at high speed after swerving to avoid Mark's upturned car. I was astonished to find that after 2 big collisions my car was still in one piece but in all the confusion I forgot that I hadn't taken a reset & came within a whisker of accidentally taking a Stop & Go... A few tentative laps to assess damage revealed some odd tyre temperatures so my Lotus had sustained some suspension damage but it was fairly minor & with Mark now carrying full race fuel & having done a Stop & Go, I was able to hold a 5 second lead to the end. Congrats to the Barresi podium, commiserations to AA & hope everyone has a great xmas break.


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: BadBlood on December 19, 2011, 03:12:58 PM +0000
Are you saying there should be a full moderation here Al, that will almost certainly result in the disqualification of half the Santa team? ;)


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: bernie on December 19, 2011, 03:20:12 PM +0000
A great race , marred by 2 unforced errors when trying to push too hard . Felt like I had a slow puncture in the o/s rear and as the race progressed it got steadily worse , strange because the lap times said otherwise .

Some time close after half distance it looked like I could kill 3 red birds with one stone , but my plan went tits up with my car impailed on the armco at the big bend .

I was able to reverse off and continue unabated (who said Chapman made fragile cars ) but had lost a mess of time .

Thanks for the fun chaps and to all those involved in the hard work behind the scenes for this great race  :)


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: bernie on December 19, 2011, 03:24:30 PM +0000
Are you saying there should be a full moderation here Al, that will almost certainly result in the disqualification of half the Santa team? ;)

Good idea , let all elves protest those cheeting santas , no need for further investigation. The outcome , obvious . I assure you  :)


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: BadBlood on December 19, 2011, 03:50:22 PM +0000
hehe - or should that be ho ho ho


Title: Re: FUN RACE - Santa v the Elves at Snowglen (Watkins Glen) - Dec 18
Post by: Artiglietti on December 19, 2011, 03:56:14 PM +0000
Well, it seems I ended up attracting all of Al's spare bad luck for the elves in this race  ;D ;D.

I equalled my PB in qually, although helped by a distant tow from one of the Godzilla brothers, but still I knew those couple of tenths I had in my pocket werent going to be enough to brake away from the other frontrunners sitting in my slipstream. So, I focussed more on getting right all my corner exits in the first laps, which worked pretty well until mid way through the race Mark managed to have a good run at me out of the loop, got alongside out of the left hander kink at the end of the straight, and ended up putting in a rather Godzillesque passing move at Big Bend, sliding a bit wide into me and puntiing me into the snow. Not impressed, I set off in hot pursuit now in third, until after a couple of laps I came across the Al/Mark collision aftermath, didnt stomp enough on the brakes and ended up joining the party and bringing one of my wheels as personal gift..Took immediately my stop and go but then fell victim of the WG pit exit, rather ingeniously positioned right at the flat out entry of the esses complex. So, had to wait ages for not one, but two cars to pass by, and it obviously goes without saying they were both Ferraris for good measure :hammer: :hammer:..

When I managed to reel in Cookie's red thing with 4 or 5 laps to go I knew the pass wasnt going to be easy. I was certainly proved right, no matter how closely glued to his tail pipes I managed to stay round the corners, the slipstream effect never kicked in quite soon enough to put in a safe pass in the braking zones. Until with a couple of laps to go, while trying to sit as close as possible to the Ferrari through the initial esses,  I thought well capping the evening with a trademark silly clipping move of the hay bales at the start of the straight. I really didnt feel like going through the pit exit traffic jam again, so at that point I bailed out..

Grats to Al who kept the elf honour high. But the Santas won, so hope the fat man in red is finally happy this year  ;D ;D ;D.

Merry Christmas guys, thanks for the racing! ;)