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This is a last minute...  ;)

We invite you all to 2 short Fun-Races with the new F2 67 mod

Our first race will be the F2s at Laguna Seca 18 Laps, with free car-choice!
followed by
the second race with the F2s at Hockenheim 15 Laps, with the same car you took for the first race!

Unlimited shift+Rs! But please make a Pitstop after each of ~0,1 sec

Race List	=	IGOR
Server	=	UKGPL_8
FPS	=	36fps
IP Address	=	TBA
Race date	=	Sunday 08-01-2012
Qualification Time	=	30 mins @ 20:30 UK time
Race Time	=	race starts at 21:00  and 22:00 UK time
Tracks	=	Laguna Seca and Hockenheim
Variant	=	67F2
Damage Model	=	Int
Race length	=	30 min
Password	=	none
Replay	=	HERE (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Replays/Fun_Races/)

Have FUN!

The results


Track: Laguna67             Sun Jan 08 22:32:32 2012

PRACTICE TIMES

Pos No Driver                           Team     Nat      Time      Diff Laps
 1  18 Hristo ItchovF2                  Eagle    JPN 1m06.943s             20
 2   4 The evilf2                       BRM      USA 1m08.494s   01.551s   20
 3   7 Tristan Bot                      Megasprk FRA 1m08.611s   01.668s   14
 4   6 Wolfgang Buthe67F2               Brabham  GER 1m08.996s   02.053s   19
 5  10 Petr Romanov                     Eagle    GER 1m09.089s   02.146s   21
 6   5 Bob Whitwell                     Brabham  GBR 1m09.328s   02.385s   17
 7   3 john roberts f2                  BRM      GBR 1m09.553s   02.610s   23
 8  19 Alex Barresi                     Ferrari  ITA 1m09.693s   02.750s   11
 9   9 Axel Cookie                      KingWing GER 1m09.736s   02.793s   15
10  11 Joseph Whitfield                 Cooper   GBR 1m09.774s   02.831s   19
11  12 Skymole 2173 -m                  Eagle    JPN 1m09.837s   02.894s   15
12  14 Jason Blito                      Lotus    GBR 1m10.000s   03.057s   19
13  16 Mark75 Barresi                   Ferrari  ITA 1m10.034s   03.091s   18
14  15 Fulvio-f2 Policardi              Ferrari  ITA 1m10.664s   03.721s   10
15   8 Martin Hunt                      KingWing GBR 1m11.255s   04.312s   11
16  17 Billy NobrakesF2                 Cooper   GBR 1m12.316s   05.373s   16
17   2 Hendy NicholsF2                  Eagle    USA 1m35.158s   28.215s    1
18  20 Tim Muttram F2                   Lubetech GBR   No time   No time    0

RACE RESULTS (After 18 laps)

Pos No Driver                          Team     Nat Laps   Race Time       Diff
 1  18 Hristo ItchovF2                 Eagle    JPN   18  20m54.051s            
 2  19 Alex Barresi                    Ferrari  ITA   18  21m20.228s    26.177s
 3  16 Mark75 Barresi                  Ferrari  ITA   18  21m26.602s    32.551s
 4  15 Fulvio-f2 Policardi             Ferrari  ITA   18  21m35.323s    41.272s
 5   3 john roberts f2                 BRM      GBR   18  21m36.031s    41.980s
 6  10 Petr Romanov                    Eagle    GER   18  21m37.451s    43.400s
 7   6 Wolfgang Buthe67F2              Brabham  GER   18  21m40.797s    46.746s
 8   7 Tristan Bot                     Megasprk FRA   18  21m46.231s    52.180s
 9   5 Bob Whitwell                    Brabham  GBR   17  20m59.626s   1 lap(s)
10  14 Jason Blito                     Lotus    GBR   17  21m07.446s   1 lap(s)
11  20 Tim Muttram F2                  Lubetech GBR   17  21m14.436s   1 lap(s)
12   9 Axel Cookie                     KingWing GER   17  21m20.850s   1 lap(s)
13  11 Joseph Whitfield                Cooper   GBR   17  21m34.315s   1 lap(s)
14  12 Skymole 2173 -m                 Eagle    JPN   15  18m36.122s   3 lap(s)
15   8 Martin Hunt                     KingWing GBR   11  13m58.728s   7 lap(s)
16  17 Billy NobrakesF2                Cooper   GBR    8  10m20.856s  10 lap(s)
17   4 The evilf2                      BRM      USA    0   0m00.000s  18 lap(s)

RACE FASTEST LAPS

Pos Driver                                 Time Lap
 1  Hristo ItchovF2                   1m06.933s  16
 2  Tristan Bot                       1m07.995s  12
 3  Petr Romanov                      1m08.267s   5
 4  Wolfgang Buthe67F2                1m08.270s   4
 5  john roberts f2                   1m09.362s  13
 6  Bob Whitwell                      1m09.378s  10
 7  Tim Muttram F2                    1m09.630s  16
 8  Jason Blito                       1m09.631s   6
 9  Joseph Whitfield                  1m09.664s   4
10  Mark75 Barresi                    1m09.693s  15
11  Alex Barresi                      1m09.834s  12
12  Axel Cookie                       1m10.112s   5
13  Fulvio-f2 Policardi               1m10.126s  18
14  Skymole 2173 -m                   1m10.164s   3
15  Martin Hunt                       1m10.891s   6
16  Billy NobrakesF2                  1m12.050s   7

Track: Hockenhm             Sun Jan 08 23:47:46 2012

PRACTICE TIMES

Pos No Driver                           Team     Nat      Time      Diff Laps
 1   4 Hristo ItchovF2                  Eagle    JPN 1m58.229s              8
 2  16 john roberts f2                  BRM      GBR 1m59.109s   00.880s   11
 3   9 Tristan Bot                      Megasprk FRA 1m59.255s   01.026s    9
 4  14 Tim Muttram F2                   Lubetech GBR 2m00.660s   02.431s   10
 5   5 Geoff HeardF2                    Eagle    AUS 2m00.884s   02.655s    8
 6  17 Maxime Lenclen                   Eagle    USA 2m00.932s   02.703s    9
 7   7 Axel Cookie                      KingWing GER 2m01.569s   03.340s    8
 8  10 Martin Hunt                      KingWing GBR 2m01.783s   03.554s    9
 9  18 Jason Blito                      Lotus    GBR 2m01.797s   03.568s   10
10   6 Alex Barresi                     Ferrari  ITA 2m02.300s   04.071s   10
11  19 Mark75 Barresi                   Ferrari  ITA 2m02.615s   04.386s    4
12   8 Hendy NicholsF2                  Eagle    USA 2m03.390s   05.161s    3
13  12 Bernie Darwin                    Brabham  GBR 2m03.798s   05.569s    7
14  11 Billy NobrakesF2                 Cooper   GBR 2m04.257s   06.028s   10
15   2 Paul Whitfield F2                Cooper   GBR 2m06.139s   07.910s    3
16   3 Paul Whitfield F2                Megasprk GBR 2m15.565s   17.336s    2


RACE RESULTS (After 15 laps)

Pos No Driver                          Team     Nat Laps   Race Time       Diff
 1   9 Tristan Bot                     Megasprk FRA   15  30m14.207s            
 2  14 Tim Muttram F2                  Lubetech GBR   15  30m24.777s    10.570s
 3   4 Hristo ItchovF2                 Eagle    JPN   15  30m35.094s    20.887s
 4  19 Mark75 Barresi                  Ferrari  ITA   15  30m43.324s    29.117s
 5   8 Hendy NicholsF2                 Eagle    USA   15  30m55.955s    41.748s
 6   6 Alex Barresi                    Ferrari  ITA   15  30m58.303s    44.096s
 7  18 Jason Blito                     Lotus    GBR   15  31m04.208s    50.001s
 8   7 Axel Cookie                     KingWing GER   15  31m11.761s    57.554s
 9   1 Mark Uribe                      Eagle    USA   15  31m12.670s    58.463s
10   5 Geoff HeardF2                   Eagle    AUS   14  29m28.094s   1 lap(s)
11  12 Bernie Darwin                   Brabham  GBR   14  30m18.093s   1 lap(s)
12   2 Paul Whitfield F2               Cooper   GBR   14  31m50.831s   1 lap(s)
13  11 Billy NobrakesF2                Cooper   GBR   12  27m21.728s   3 lap(s)
14  17 Maxime Lenclen                  Eagle    USA    5  10m37.426s  10 lap(s)
15  16 john roberts f2                 BRM      GBR    5  10m43.001s  10 lap(s)
16  10 Martin Hunt                     KingWing GBR    3   6m14.361s  12 lap(s)

RACE FASTEST LAPS

Pos Driver                                 Time Lap
 1  Hristo ItchovF2                   1m58.109s   9
 2  Tristan Bot                       1m59.122s   2
 3  Tim Muttram F2                    1m59.351s   3
 4  john roberts f2                   1m59.656s   3
 5  Hendy NicholsF2                   2m00.377s  12
 6  Mark Uribe                        2m00.495s  12
 7  Jason Blito                       2m00.582s   6
 8  Mark75 Barresi                    2m00.754s  13
 9  Maxime Lenclen                    2m00.847s   5
10  Axel Cookie                       2m00.888s   8
11  Geoff HeardF2                     2m00.938s   5
12  Bernie Darwin                     2m01.042s  14
13  Alex Barresi                      2m01.162s  11
14  Martin Hunt                       2m01.722s   3
15  Billy NobrakesF2                  2m05.269s   3
16  Paul Whitfield F2                 2m07.533s  13

This sounds good!  I will come, as long as smoking is allowed on the track. :whistling:

I will be in.

Whih versions of Laguna and Hock do I need to install for this? There are many choices on the database

Jason - 67 versions of both. I think we used both in last seasons Spec series - there will be links in the race threads.

OK, been on the server with Laguna 67 and think its another apalling choice of track for a FUN race! There is only one line, zero room for error and lots of polo mints to catch the unwary. There will be tears tomorrow and tbh, I want no part of it.

Sorry Jason, this was my decision!

I am not with you, a Fun-Race must not mean an easy track!
I had in mind to do a more demanding track with these fantastic cars, as the easy F2 tracks in IGOR in the last 2 weeks became boring.
You are right, without practice and an adequate setup it's hard work to avoid those polo mints!
But if you have found the groove, it's pure fun and you will be able to drive in a save mode...
IMO these tracks have all that's needed for a Fun-Race ::)

So take it as a challenge to show your skills and survive ;)


PS
I just read your comment re the TC Fun-Race, where you propose Bathurst as a fun track ;D
Yes it is! I love it as it is one of my favourites...
But Laguna Seca is shorter and imo in the same category!

As I said online last night Axel, my main concern is those Polos lining the Turn 1 chicane. It only takes one mistake from a driver and you wipe out the whole of the rear of the grid - there is no where to go to avoid an accident. The actual layout is great fun to drive  but I don't think thats enough to earn forgiveness for the turn one polo craziness.

Lives are not at risk here!  Part of the fun of racing, is the challenge, and the uncertainty.  We only risk damaging our pride.  :turned:

TBH Jason, Part of the fun of the F2s is the high risk of incidents. Because they are so closely matched you often find yourself three abreast... I have seen lots of wipeouts at Enna and that has LOADS of room.

It should still be fun even though I am not keen on these tracks either...

Perhaps I'm just a moaning old fuddy duddy then, but I like to do the challenging tracks in the league races, but to just turn up and have a laugh when its fun races....

Hristo and I had a cracking battle here a few seasons back, passing is possible as long as people give each other room  :)

Might make the first race but doubt the second  :)

I've taken a fancy to the V8 BMW/Lola, as it seems slower than many of the Ford powered cars I guess it would be a fair choice for me  ;)

Hi Tim

This BMW engine is a straight four! It uses double carburaters so it has this V8 look  ;D

It revs higher and has more HP but the "torque power band" is smaller ;)

In your hands this is a winning car!

Really?
Then why is it modelled with an exhaust exiting each side and a V shaped block?
Or is this another of the models that needs tidying?  ;)


*Edit* I see from some Googling you're correct - I wonder why they chose to have twin exhausts ?
Block still looks V shaped in GPL though  ;D

It had one of the first 4 valve cylinders heads from BMW, so one exhaust pipe to each out channel ;)

im in for laguna seca race :D

Hmmm - I was up for Hockenheim but for some reason iGOR refuses to recognise that I have the track.

Grrrr and it is definitely the right track directory. Anyone got any ideas?

I'm up for these races too.

BTW

If I understand correctly, from various comments about the F2 mod, there is not a great deal of difference netween the cars? I know that the Protos is perhaps the fastest in a straight line but lacks the cornering ability of some of the other chassis.  But in order to make things more "even" in these fun races it would be good to know which cars are considered the best/worst so that the fast boys don't simply run away at the front.

Does anyone have any official info on the pecking order for the F2's???

oops just saw your post paul....trying Hocky now will report back if i have any issues/ideas

Make sure that your track folder and season.ini use the word 'hockenhm'

@Paul
using the 67season and / or delete the mod .exes does help here sometimes ;)
Maybe you can keep UKGPL_3 as a second server in reserve?

@ Clive
as far as I found comparing the cars, the main difference is the weight!
With the identical settings a Protos, a Lotus and a Brabham are same!
Just a question of gear/rev to reach highest speed, therefore I practiced some laps in IMS...

just loaded and ran Hockeyheim no probs.

I have the track with the orange/red programme cover with "AVD" emblem ...hope that is the correct version.

BB - easiest to do would be to reinstall the track. You can also try to open gem+, and click on the season button. Find hockenheim in the list to the left, and add it to a season on the right. I am not sure if igor can run a track if its not in any season...  Also make shure you have installed hockenheim 67, and not '32, '70, '98 or the night versions...

Evil: not too sure, as we dont have rank for them yet... generally protos, brabham 23, matra 5, matra 7, lotus 48, mclaren m4 are fastest, and usially about equal. The two lolas and lotus 41, cooper t84, are abit slower... tho lola fva is not that slower. The only really slow cars are ferrari and brabham  14...

Ah, they didn't consider putting the exhaust valves on the same side to reduce exhaust pipe requirements then?  :wacko:
Almost sounds like a Waza trick!  ;D

YEAH ;D

The later BMWs had this...
Last "Jim Clark Revival" in Hockenheim, I talked with the owner of a BMW F2 about this car in the pits ;)

Can't say I enjoyed that much. Slow as treacle and drove badly to boot. <sigh> Don't know why iGOR was complaining, I could join via IP. Odd. Like the F2's though.

Well that did not go to plan at all!! I was looking forward to trying these F2's in a proper race situation

First outing at Laguna in the F2's and I opted for the Lola FVA which apparently is not the outright fastest chassis, so I was pleasantly surprised to find myself competitive. Hristo was quickest by a second and I could not get a clean lap to even remotely challenge his time.

The start went well for me but not so good for Hristo who bogged down off the line allowing me into 1st place through T1.
As we left the Esses and headed towards the left hand kink Tristan pulled towards the inside and into my blind spot. I did not expect him to be able to get alongside but still left a little room just in case. Not enough room it seems as I was punted off into the green stuff!!

I was spinning out of control and could see that I was about to go back across the track, where the chasing pack would surely be arriving at any moment. So I rapidly hit the "Esc" to quit before there was a monumental pile up.  Apologies to anyone who got caught by my spinning Lola.
I went off to watch TV whilst the race continued without me and got so engrossed in the programme that I missed the start of the 2nd race!!  :-\

The lap times being posted at Laguna were a real eye opener for me. I did a few laps on Saturday so I had a set up & was comfortably quicker than my 65 Mod personal best - but quickly found out I was hopelessly off the pace on Sunday.
Not sure how the Lola BMW compares to other chassis' but time to try some others & back to the drawing board for a set up.
Hochenheim - not quite so uncompetitive but too many silly  mistakes.

Laguna is a fun track to drive around but it was never going to produce a great race. I made mistakes and  bounced off various bits of scenery but basically held things together long enought to be "Botted" by an ambitious move Tristan at the corkscrew. Not a great race but fun in a masochistic sort of way.
Hockenheim however showed online fun racing at its best (and worst)!  The slip streaming battles were amazing fun but its a pity so many of them ended in tears! I was sorry to see Martin Hunt get caught up in the wreckage of Hristos and JRs battle... I really thought we would be duelling to the flag! Also sorry to Badblood for punting him off at Ostkurve... I really did not know which side he wanted me to pass you on ( I was lapping him)  and In my indecision managed to run into the back of him instead! Like Jasper used to say, " I had to swerve several times before I hit him....... "

Using Zandy as my base of operations (testing) when the mod came out I was finding the BMW/Lola about .4/.5 a second off the pace. Nicest car to drive by far was the BT23 which was also my fastest  :)
The Cooper I drove last night is slightly slower than the BM/Lola for comparison purposes  :angel:

First race was a disaster as I didn't have a setup and joined too late to even attempt to make one - as a result I raced with an untouched Zandy setup and payed the price.
While fairly fast it was a swine to keep under control and my slow climb up the ladder was destroyed by multiple spins, a roll (Which I managed to continue from!  :o ) and a blown engine  ::)
In the end Cookie gifted me with a 'not last' by spinning/crashing on the last corner on the final lap  ;D

Hockenhiem was better as I was able to make some adjustments and create a Cooper that was as competitive as it'd ever be (Given it's a few hp down on the other front runners).
The start was ish with me being passed a few times after T1, this was possibly lucky as what deffinatly looked like a lag impact then took out 2 of the cars infront and a few of the following cars aswell gifting me 4th with a healthy gap back to the field.
John, H and Tristan were having a good fight over 1st which was allowing me to recoup in the corners what my Cooper was loosing on the straights - quite handy as I seemed to have gained some steering damage from the L1 accident which made braking into Ostcurve tricky with a very unstable car under me.

Several laps in H and john had a coming together in the stadium complex while fighting over 2nd, this allowed me to inherit the 2nd step and close on Tristan enough that even the Cooper was challenging for the lead (In fact I think I crossed the line in first at one point), then I outbraked myself and fell off which allowed Tristan to escape.
Bernie inadvertantly scuppered my chances of regaining the draft after he towed Tristan into the forest and promply span right infront of me when I caught him!  ;D
Oh well - 2nd is pretty good going in the Coop from what I can tell so happy with eventually finishing so high  8)
Well done everyone who finished and especially to H for climbing back upto 3rd after his off  :)

Went back to have a go at Laguna afterwards as Mini drove that race...

I couldn't even break 1:14. My lack of practice is really showing. They are fun though.

Had a play with the set-ups & by trial & error have found something which earned me a 1.10.1 lap at Laguna.
Have to agree the BT23 is the best option.

I had very little practice for Laguna in the F2's and I had no setup for the Lola FVA that I chose because I liked the name.

One thing to remember about Laguna, if you happen to use a setup from another circuit, is that Laguna is an anticlockwise circuit whereas most tracks are Clockwise. So any assymetric setups need to be reversed to work.

I have found that the torque band on the FVA allows the engine to pull quite strongly from about 8k ( the BMW option is different and you need to keep the engine in a narrow rev range around 9k to make it go well) .
The handling on the F2's seemed very understeery as default and I found that I had to give it quite a radical diff ( 45/60 I think?) to make it turn when I wanted it to.

Also the phrase "drive it like you stole it" is pretty good advice, with the one proviso that you try and avoid getting too sideways as that just scrubs of speed in the corners. Just like the 65's, I find that carrying as much momentum as you can through the corners is crucial although these F2's do seem to have more grunt and acceleration.