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Another late call to break the F2 mania by a special GT fun event...

How about some "slippery when wet" action ;D ;D ;)

Tonight Friday 13th January @ 9:00 p.m. UK time

GT's at Mosport Rain  1967   Canadian Grand Prix (http://www.f1legends.ch/update/circuits/rmosport.php)

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Free choice of GT cars with more than 2,5liter engines (windscreen wipers optional)

17 laps

Shift-R available, but please make a Stop n Go in the pits for each reset.

Here you will get the replay (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Replays/Fun_Races/)

Good training for official GT race, i participate with GT40 MkII.

Thanks Axel. I was going to post this race but got involved in some heavy personnel stuff at work.

As it is a FUN race, what if we exclude the Porsche?  :shifty:

Of course, there are no Porkys allowed!

I s'pose this means, the winner of this race becomes our raining champion, 'til someone rains him in?  Only, I ain't too good at spellin', ???

No, the winner takes Rainier's name...

btw, maddog, wordplays are my job here... you do the barking!

I had a problem with Mosport Rain - it was Moss!  A good setup in practice, meant scraping my bottom every lap there.  Grumble!  So I'd like to get that spot shaved before more events take place, to avoid bringing up the rear. >:(

A better online connection is also on the agenda, though, probably would have led to some racing embarrassment in the rain, because of Moss.  :-\

Try raising up the front to avoid bottoming out there, Martin. It's because of braking at the dip that you scrape the ground, not so much at the rear. I usually run a slightly higher front plus more bump rubber and/or stiffer front suspension.With more fuel for a race distance you should probably also raise the rear as well, as that's where the fuel tank pushes down.

Mosprain             Fri Jan 13 23:02:34 2012

PRACTICE TIMES

Pos No Driver                           Team     Nat      Time      Diff Laps
 1  25 Raoni Frizzo SC67                Chap 2F  BRA 1m27.922s              6
 2  37 Mark75 Barresi                   GT40Mk2B ITA 1m28.794s   00.872s    7
 3  38 Alex Barresi                     GT40Mk2B ITA 1m28.828s   00.906s    9
 4  24 Nicky Ickx GT                    Lola T70 VEN 1m29.114s   01.192s    9
 5   7 Andrea Tendas                    Ferrari  ITA 1m30.324s   02.402s    4
 6  21 Bob Whitwell                     Mirage   GBR 1m30.529s   02.607s    4
 7   2 Axel Cookie                      Chap 2F  GER 1m30.629s   02.707s    8
 8   1 Skymole 2173 -m                  Lola T70 USA 1m30.820s   02.898s    9
 9  15 Martin_GT Hunt                   Ferrari  USA 1m31.287s   03.365s   12
10  18 Geoff HeardGT                    Mirage   AUS 1m31.419s   03.497s    8
11  39 Pedro Berg_vd                    GT40MkIV HOL 1m31.636s   03.714s   11
12  14  EvilGT                          GT40MkIV GBR 1m31.816s   03.894s   12
13  16 Phil ThorntonGT                  Ferrari  GBR 1m31.865s   03.943s   12
14  20 Dave Rainier                     Lola T70 MON 1m35.253s   07.331s    3
15  12 Juha HalliGT                     Lola T70 FIN   No time   No time    0


RACE RESULTS (After 17 laps)

Pos No Driver                          Team     Nat Laps   Race Time       Diff
 1  25 Raoni Frizzo SC67               Chap 2F  BRA   17  25m31.833s           
 2  24 Nicky Ickx GT                   Lola T70 VEN   17  25m55.954s    24.121s
 3   7 Andrea Tendas                   Ferrari  ITA   17  25m58.541s    26.708s
 4  21 Bob Whitwell                    Mirage   GBR   17  26m20.419s    48.586s
 5  16 Phil ThorntonGT                 Ferrari  GBR   17  26m26.518s    54.685s
 6  39 Pedro Berg_vd                   GT40MkIV HOL   17  26m27.201s    55.368s
 7  37 Mark75 Barresi                  GT40Mk2B ITA   17  26m30.212s    58.379s
 8  38 Alex Barresi                    GT40Mk2B ITA   17  26m34.135s  1m02.302s
 9  20 Dave Rainier                    Lola T70 MON   17  26m45.075s  1m13.242s
10  12 Juha HalliGT                    Lola T70 FIN   17  26m51.648s  1m19.815s
11  14  EvilGT                         GT40MkIV GBR   16  25m30.861s   1 lap(s)
12  18 Geoff HeardGT                   Mirage   AUS   16  25m36.767s   1 lap(s)
13   1 Skymole 2173 -m                 Lola T70 USA    4   6m28.521s  13 lap(s)
14   2 Axel Cookie                     Chap 2F  GER    3   4m43.804s  14 lap(s)
15  15 Martin_GT Hunt                  Ferrari  USA    0 DidNotStart  17 lap(s)


RACE FASTEST LAPS

Pos Driver                                 Time Lap
 1  Raoni Frizzo SC67                 1m27.125s  11
 2  Juha HalliGT                      1m27.524s   7
 3  Bob Whitwell                      1m28.239s  14
 4  Andrea Tendas                     1m28.862s  12
 5  Alex Barresi                      1m29.110s  17
 6  Nicky Ickx GT                     1m29.288s  15
 7  Mark75 Barresi                    1m29.413s  17
 8  Phil ThorntonGT                   1m30.309s  11
 9  Geoff HeardGT                     1m30.722s  12
10  Pedro Berg_vd                     1m30.813s  12
11  Dave Rainier                      1m30.983s  11
12  Skymole 2173 -m                   1m31.032s   3
13  Axel Cookie                       1m31.051s   2
14   EvilGT                           1m31.850s  13

Sorry I had to leave the race with an indigestion...

Run under heavy rain is spectacular, also if GPL suffer the consequent more graphic load.
I hope we can repeat this experience in others tracks, possibly without brothers that believe to be Jim Clark reincarnation ...

Thanks for the thought H. - setups sometimes need to be a compromise.  The problem seemed to grow with the rain, as I'm still a bit 'green', with this in our Sim.  It was my rear which caused concern.  Next time, I might have to consider using my crash helmet, to sit on.

I had this way too loud rain and crowd sound!

Could not even hear my own engine sound, so I did reduce the "sounds volume lower" sounds to a bearable level  ;)

You can download it here (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Replays/Other/)

AWWW, NUTS!!!  I would have loved to have participated in this soggy adventure but the late scheduling announcement caught me unawares.  Next time!

I downloaded the replay and had a peek.  LOL!  Quite the challenge, eh, fellas?

Grats to Ra on a fine win...and pole...and to all who finished.

Uhhh...  But don't get to comfy with those lap times.  Racing in the rain at Mosport in real-life would have been 10 times worse than what I saw you guys go through in the replay cap.  You guys had it easy!

It's been my observation of 51 racing seasons at Mosport...and personally, two events in a Formula Vee and one in a Formula Ford...that the 'rule of thumb' when it comes to racing in the rain at Mosport is this:

Take your best dry-weather lap time and add 30 seconds.  Yes, you read that right.  ADD FULLY 1/2 MINUTE.  And this doesn't just hold for local
wankers in clapped-out machinery.  No sir.  This is for the pros, the best of the best with the very best at their disposal in terms of knowledge and equipment.  Don't believe me?  Check out the following...

1966 Mosport CanAm
The first 10 slots on the grid would be locked in from times set during the first qualifying session.  A really dumb idea as it turned out.  This session was run in the rain.  Dan Gurney topped the time sheets with a 1:50.7 in his Lola-Ford.  Here's the top 10 on the grid:

1 Dan Gurney / USA                   Lola T70 Ford                          1:50,700 
2 Chris Amon / NZ                      M1B Chevrolet                        1:53,000 
3 Bruce McLaren / NZ                 McLaren M1B Chevrolet            1:53,500 
4 Denny Hulme / NZ                   Lola T70 Chevrolet                   1:53,600 
5 Sam Posey / USA                    McLaren M1B Ford                    1:54,000 
6 Mark Donohue / USA                Lola T70 Chevrolet                   1:55,700
7 Follmer / USA                         Lola T70 Chevrolet                   1:56,100   
8 John Cannon / CDN                 McLaren M1B Chevrolet             1:56,300 
9 Lothar Motschenbacher / USA   Genie Vinegaroon Oldsmobile      1:58,300
10 Jim Hall / USA                       Chaparral 2E Chevrolet              1:22,900 
11 John Surtees / GB                  Lola T70 Mk.2 Chevr SL71/43     1:24,500

Follmer was a non-starter so Jim Hall was promoted to P10 from his qualifying effort in a subsequent dry-weather qualifying session.  Surtees was 2nd in that session to start P11.  Note that Hall's laptime is almost 28 seconds faster than pole man Gurney's effort in the wet.  In fact, Big Dan's performance put the other stars in the shade, didn't it?  Fastest lap in the race went to Gurney with a 1:23.1 timing.  The reserved grid dumb?  Well, we all know what happened in T1 of L1, don't we?  And I was right there to see it!

source: http://www.classicscars.com/wspr/results/canam/canam1966.html

1971 Canadian Grand Prix
Qualifying was in the dry but the race was a soggy, foggy nightmare.  Races were considerably delayed thanks to blanket fog that descended upon
Mosport overnight.  Too, a dreadful fatal crash in a support race put the GP hours behind schedule.  Here's the front row:

François Cevert                 Jo Siffert                         Jackie Stewart
Tyrrell 002-Ford #12           B.R.M. P160 #14               Tyrrell 003-Ford #11
1:15.7                             1:15.5                             1:15.3

Very competitive and fast.  As noted, though, the race was run entirely in the rain.  Fastest lap?  To Denny Hulme on a 1:43.5 timing.  Again, some
28 seconds off a good dry-weather pace.

source: http://www.silhouet.com/motorsport/archive/f1/1971/71cdn.html

I've seen other races in the rain but have no documentation.  However, even to this day, it seems that the '30-second rule' applies.  I did crew for a superkarter in the mid-80's and he could cut 1:35's in the dry.  For one practice session in the wet, he managed a 2:02 lap.  Not bad.