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Title: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Intermediate (65) - Kyalami (1961-67) - Jan 31
Post by: BadBlood on January 30, 2012, 01:37:20 AM +0000
UKGPL Season 22 65 Intermediates Trophy
Race 4 Kyalami

Welcome to the fourth round of the Intermediates Trophy for Season 22.

This time we are at Kyalami. A well known track but not without difficulty. Usually sees some close racing.

*** NOTE***
Ensure that you have the pit wall in place. Those without the pit wall will risk disqualification. Advantage can be gained without it and in particular, drivers should ensure that they know where the pit entry is WITH THE PIT WALL IN PLACE

The standard Papyrus track has a pit wall but there are patches available that remove it. The absence of a pit wall will not stop you from joining the race but anybody seen by the moderators miraculously driving through the pit wall on the server replay will risk disqualification.

Follow these instructions to restore the wall if you have a mod that has removed it:
METHOD 1:
To place a wall between the pits and the track, rename or remove the kyalami.trk and kyalami.3do files from your kyalami folder.
METHOD 2:
To reinstall the original Papyrus Armco, rename or remove the Armco_s.mip file from your kyalami folder.


As with the previous tracks, there will be crashes and patience is a must. The first lap will be fully moderated within the red zone. The red zone will extend to the end of the Leeukop bend on the first lap

Please check the Season 22 pages for details (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=335&theme=6) regarding rules and the Intermediates Trophy (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=347&theme=6) pages in particular.

Please see the Intermediates registration thread for an explanation of the chassis allocations shown below:
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=10017.0

Please ensure that you take a valid chassis for your group. Cookie and I will be keeping an eye on you! THIS IS IMPORTANT AS THE CHASSIS GROUPINGS AND YOUR SEEDING HAS CHANGED. Please check the Intermediate Chassis thread (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=10031.30).


Group I
Lotus, Ferrari, BRM, Honda, BT11, Cooper, BT7

GROUP 2
BRM, Honda, BT11, Cooper, BT7, Ferrari

GROUP 3
Honda, Cooper, BT7

GROUP 4
Cooper, BT7

GROUP 5
BT7


Intermediates
DRIVER  
 CHASSIS GROUP  
Billy Nobrakes
2
Carraciola
3
Cookie
3
Du Fossa
2
Vosblod
1
Geoff 65
3
Maddog
2
JonnyO
3
Francesco
1
Rainier
3
RonniePeterson
3
Karliss
2
S2173
2
Bernie
2
Ross Neilson
3
Steve Bird
3
ivandjj
2
maestro57
3


Race List = iGOR
Server = UKGPL8
IP address = TBA
Race date = 31/01/2012
Time = no later then 9:00pm UK Time (30-45 mins practice, race starts at 9:30pm)
Track = Kyalami (papy)
Variant = 65F1
Damage Model = Int
Qualifying time = 30 minutes
Race length = 31 laps
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Qualifying may start before 9pm, if so, Reserve drivers should leave the server when 35 minutes of qualifying remains and only rejoin when 30 minutes of qualifying is left. This is to ensure that Full Time drivers get priority in joining.

Please restrict chat to pit messages if necessary, and this includes the end of the race, until all running drivers have completed the necessary laps.

The Intermediates races are run under Int Long rules and all incidents in the red zone on Lap 1, at least, will be moderated. For this race, the red zone extends to the last part of the Leeukop Bend.


65 Patch: The 2.02 Release of the 65mod can and should be used. You need a working installation of the 65 mod to install the 2.02 Update. All the 65 Mod files can be found here (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Mods/1965)

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=347;theme=6)

Password: see above (#post_event_password)




Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Intermediate (65) - Kyalami (1961-67) - Jan 31
Post by: bernie on January 30, 2012, 11:08:46 AM +0000
Where do I find someone to build me a pit wall ?  :laugh: gone , maybe got knocked down in a recent crash  :laugh:


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Intermediate (65) - Kyalami (1961-67) - Jan 31
Post by: BadBlood on January 31, 2012, 11:41:29 PM +0000
Yellow not bright enough for you Bernie?  :D

Cookie - very bad form to win races in your own series y'know  :o

You should be gentlemanly like me and race for last...  ::)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Intermediate (65) - Kyalami (1961-67) - Jan 31
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on February 01, 2012, 09:36:30 AM +0000
First race in the Inters where I wasn't totally outclassed. Held down a respectable 6th spot for a while until my one & only spin at Crowthorne relegated me to 10th.
Maddog span about 3 laps from the end so had someone to keep me company until the chequered flag. Martin - I have no idea how you manage to put a wheel on the verge so often without losing time.
Finishing result was a bit of a Honda masterclass.



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Intermediate (65) - Kyalami (1961-67) - Jan 31
Post by: Cookie on February 01, 2012, 10:43:35 AM +0000
Yeah Paul, I am a bad guy, but I love it ;D

This race was all about concentration and self-discipline to stay cool and quiet.
It worked nearly perfect for me, as I only had one critical situation when my concentration was disturbed by watching Pribluda...
My setup was not the fastest, but it was save to stay on track and keep the engine alive ;)

The greatest moment was when Max had blown his engine and parked in the middle of the road.
I stopped breathing and prayed he will stay where he is. He did! Thanks!
Ronnie gave me the adrenaline I needed to keep my pace up most of the race,
but then something happened to him and I had a very save gap til the finish line.

Grats Bernie for the best non Honda driver!

Cheers
Axel 


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Intermediate (65) - Kyalami (1961-67) - Jan 31
Post by: bernie on February 01, 2012, 11:44:25 AM +0000
Got to admit , I did spoil the symmetry of the results columb  ;D

More down to everyone elses mistakes than anything though I did have a couple of moments myself , one in particular avoiding Martin as he got very sideways into T1 , lost a few places here and there but always seemed to pick them up a few laps later . Think my "armchair " set up helped , made the BT11 very easy to pedal around at a modest pace , though Geoff made me up the pace beyond the comfort zone a few times  ;) 

Good clean racing was had by all throughout the field I suspect , looking forward to the next thrash  ;D

Congrats Axel and the pod boys , commiserations to Martin Steve and Sky both who were much better than there results show


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Intermediate (65) - Kyalami (1961-67) - Jan 31
Post by: Ronniepeterson on February 01, 2012, 03:51:44 PM +0000
Ronnie gave me the adrenaline I needed to keep my pace up most of the race,
but then something happened to him and I had a very save gap til the finish line.

Backmarker, blown engine, pitstop happened!!!

This relegated me to third but I would have settled for a podium before the race driving a Honda in anger for the first time. To be honest you and Max were faster and I'm sure Martin and Sky would have conetested the top three if they had not departed earlier.

Dave if your reading, I have not seen a replay yet. But if that pass of mine at turn 1 hindered your race don't hesitate to let me know and/or put a report in. I broke late and took the inside line and hugged the inside to leave you room on the outside. I felt no contact but did note you dropped back on my Prib. Apologies if I caused you to go off.

If anyone can pass on any pearls of wisdom regarding not blowing the Honda engine it would be much appreciated. I noted in the chat before the race people saying something about changing gear well before the red line etc but this was all a bit late for this race for me. But since this car is likely to be used increasingly any thoughts from anyone willing to pass on any knowledge would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Grats as ever to the podium and better luck next time Martin and Sky. Your pace in qualifying deserved better.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Intermediate (65) - Kyalami (1961-67) - Jan 31
Post by: Cookie on February 01, 2012, 04:16:16 PM +0000
If anyone can pass on any pearls of wisdom regarding not blowing the Honda engine it would be much appreciated. I noted in the chat before the race people saying something about changing gear well before the red line etc but this was all a bit late for this race for me. But since this car is likely to be used increasingly any thoughts from anyone willing to pass on any knowledge would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Just sit in the cars in replay and look for the revs!
You allways went up to 13 000 min and more...
I tried to avoid more than 12 200 min!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Intermediate (65) - Kyalami (1961-67) - Jan 31
Post by: Ronniepeterson on February 01, 2012, 05:49:49 PM +0000
Cheers Axel.  :-[ :-[ :-[


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Intermediate (65) - Kyalami (1961-67) - Jan 31
Post by: Rainier on February 01, 2012, 07:43:41 PM +0000

Dave if your reading, I have not seen a replay yet. But if that pass of mine at turn 1 hindered your race don't hesitate to let me know and/or put a report in. I broke late and took the inside line and hugged the inside to leave you room on the outside. I felt no contact but did note you dropped back on my Prib. Apologies if I caused you to go off.


When it happened I was 2nd not so far behind Cookie (2 or 3 seconds) and I was FURIOUS against you because I was ejected out of the track and broke a wheel !
Then, after the race, I watched the replay and could see you were not responsible at all but the gap between our 2 cars were too small for this  :censored: GPL crashbox !

so I will put a report ...against GPL crashbox conceptors !  :)   


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Intermediate (65) - Kyalami (1961-67) - Jan 31
Post by: Ronniepeterson on February 01, 2012, 08:43:21 PM +0000
Cheers Dave, I have still not seen a replay so appreciate your feedback. It seems everyone apart from Axel!!! had a few gremlins to contend with. Better luck next race mate.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Intermediate (65) - Kyalami (1961-67) - Jan 31
Post by: JonnyO on February 02, 2012, 01:41:52 AM +0000
  Bravo Cookie!!!! :thumbup2:


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Intermediate (65) - Kyalami (1961-67) - Jan 31
Post by: clouds on February 02, 2012, 08:00:52 AM +0000
Nice to see you're one of the best pilots Axel.
Very good result, congrats and...go ahead Axel go go go !!!  ;)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Intermediate (65) - Kyalami (1961-67) - Jan 31
Post by: maddog on February 02, 2012, 06:09:22 PM +0000
My race was a fortunate one.  Had we been racing at Snowitude, it would've been difficult to avoid all the white Honda's, which seem to be suddenly fashionable, amongst our group.  Almost everyone was wearing one!  I decided to stand out from the crowd, by contrasting in a much darker shade, but sporting a bright orange nose, and with the hope of keeping it clean.  8)

My qualifying setup, was good enough for 3rd on the grid, so I wore it for the main event.  This helped me hound the 2 leaders on the first lap, and to pull alongside Sky at the start of lap 2.  The combination of BRM against Honda, is an unusual one in my experience, and my late braking maneuver ended badly, as I learned the Honda's brakes were superior to mine.  This recent Honda addition is having his share of bad luck ATM, so I apologise for adding to it. ???

Thereafter, for me it became a matter of doing the rounds, amongst the midfield runners. The BRM had better acceleration than the fashionable crowd, but lacked the stopping power to go with it.  The greener parts of the track were suitable for wearing out on corner exits.  But strangely on corner entry, they made me look rather untidy.  So various scraps ensued with those wearing white, up and down the field, as my setup started to unravel!

Good company in close racing made for an enjoyable event.  But I might prefer a number in green, next time out, and work on the entry.  ::)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Intermediate (65) - Kyalami (1961-67) - Jan 31
Post by: b_1_rd on February 02, 2012, 07:10:20 PM +0000
Not everyone was in white!!! ;)

I thought I'd give myself a big challenge and decided to take the Cooper.  It provided me with some very close racing throughout most of the race until I had an off when closely following Geoff and got a bit too close trying to stay as close in as possible and take all the advantage I could of any tow.

It left me too far back to latch on to anyone and I completely lost enthusiasm to push so cruised to the finish.

I'll not be at Belgium, but will hopefully make another couple of races.

As a side note: I'm not sold on the season effectively turning into a spec race of Hondas now. I know it is unlikely to change (and wouldn't expect it to) but can the system used in Historics be considered for next season? (i.e. higher the championship position, the slower the chassis).


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Intermediate (65) - Kyalami (1961-67) - Jan 31
Post by: Cookie on February 02, 2012, 10:21:06 PM +0000
Steve in this race were "only" 7 Hondas of 13 cars...

You have to compare to the situation we had:

The BT11 was the car
8 of 12 drivers drove in Monza,
11 of 16 in Mexico and
9 of 13 in Surfers Paradise...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Intermediate (65) - Kyalami (1961-67) - Jan 31
Post by: bernie on February 02, 2012, 10:57:21 PM +0000
Dont worry Axel , after Kia we all going to be driving the BT7  ;D



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Intermediate (65) - Kyalami (1961-67) - Jan 31
Post by: b_1_rd on February 02, 2012, 11:45:48 PM +0000
Axel,

I agree.  

However, I could have taken the Honda too, then it would be 8 of the 13. It still remains at over half the field using one chassis. Previously it was the BT11s, now the Honda.

OK, perhaps calling it spec is a bit over the top, but I do wonder why this class is restricted to the 3 groups leading to this happening?

I'm not that bothered about it but it just seems a bit overly restrictive on chassis and my personal favourite system is the Historics, which I think would work superbly well, with pretty much all the drivers in inters being this closely matched.

Please don't take this as a criticism; more an observation.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Intermediate (65) - Kyalami (1961-67) - Jan 31
Post by: BadBlood on February 03, 2012, 12:01:46 AM +0000
We'll take the feedback on board at the mid-season review. It would be nice to free up the chassis - the Novices is obviously a different case but this is the first year we have done this so we are still learning


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Intermediate (65) - Kyalami (1961-67) - Jan 31
Post by: BadBlood on February 08, 2012, 06:22:29 PM +0000
Moderation published - not too busy


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Intermediate (65) - Kyalami (1961-67) - Jan 31
Post by: Cookie on February 11, 2012, 10:38:03 PM +0000
Axel,

I agree.  

However, I could have taken the Honda too, then it would be 8 of the 13. It still remains at over half the field using one chassis. Previously it was the BT11s, now the Honda.

OK, perhaps calling it spec is a bit over the top, but I do wonder why this class is restricted to the 3 groups leading to this happening?

I'm not that bothered about it but it just seems a bit overly restrictive on chassis and my personal favourite system is the Historics, which I think would work superbly well, with pretty much all the drivers in inters being this closely matched.

Please don't take this as a criticism; more an observation.

I am with you Steve, there has to come an other solution...
The BT11 is just too easy and fast to drive.
We decided after 3 races to make it more difficult to the top drivers of this series.
But I wanted a fast car to be available and not only the Cooper or BT7  ;)

As Paul said, we will see after the mid-season review.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Intermediate (65) - Kyalami (1961-67) - Jan 31
Post by: Ronniepeterson on February 12, 2012, 11:23:33 AM +0000
With the race almost upon us and practice time at a premium a race distance for Zolder would be helpful? But not as helpful as a return to the BT11  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Intermediate (65) - Kyalami (1961-67) - Jan 31
Post by: Cookie on February 12, 2012, 02:45:10 PM +0000
With the race almost upon us and practice time at a premium a race distance for Zolder would be helpful? But not as helpful as a return to the BT11  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

There should be around 28 laps to go...

But I don't think we will get the BT11 back Ray ::)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Intermediate (65) - Kyalami (1961-67) - Jan 31
Post by: bernie on February 12, 2012, 04:11:50 PM +0000
I cant even D/L the track , SRMZ again  >:(

 


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Intermediate (65) - Kyalami (1961-67) - Jan 31
Post by: Cookie on February 12, 2012, 08:14:31 PM +0000
Hi Bernie
get the Zolder track here (http://www.sendspace.com/file/7znrq2)

After installing run the Caballero exe for the track upgrade!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Intermediate (65) - Kyalami (1961-67) - Jan 31
Post by: bernie on February 12, 2012, 11:19:55 PM +0000
Thanks for the help Axel   :)