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NGT Sprint Cup - Season 2, Round 7 at Anderstorp

Date: Tuesday 24th January

Practice 1: 8:30pm (15 mins)
Qual 2: 8:45pm (28 mins)
Warmup: 9:13pm (2 mins)
Race: 9:15pm (40 mins)

Cars allowed: Ferrari 360, Porsche 911 GT3-RS, Porsche 911 Bi-Turbo, Mosler, Vertigo or Morgan. (Lotus Elise, BMW Z3M, Porsche GT3 Cup are allowed but will not score points.)

Notes:
(1) Full time drivers should arrive during Practice 1 if possible. Reserve Drivers can take spots AFTER 8:40pm (5 mins to go in practice 1) to give Full Timers a big enough chance to join.
(2) Server Password has been emailed to those registered racers for the relevant race. Please contact a member of the admin team to get the password if you are registered and have forgotten or not received the password. It will not be given out in the GTR chatroom as that is a public place. The password wont change for the season unless there are security concerns.
(3) See  UKGTR Sprint Season 2 Info (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=10) for general Season 2 info.
(4) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7)

I'm gonner do a few laps tonight for this race - usual password 'uk*****ac'. I will use v1.4 but it would be great if you guys can make copy of v1.4 and paste to new folder then install v1.5 on it. That way you can do both np!! But I will be on v1.4 tonight, server name is UKGTR plz select ISDN.

Prolly not gonna join in tonight, but why ISDN? I never had problems with dsl/cable :)

T

Less strain on server, you should be using ISDN for all (GTR) races.

I'd like to, Rich!  :)

When?

Yea i'll be on about 8pm - got to read some stuff on nascar cambers first.

I say ISDN cause on DSL, when i'm hosting 7 sometimes can go laggy but on ISDN it's fine. ISDN is 12 datarate which was high back in the F12002 days so np.

Thanks for hosting, Rich, I enjoyed it. And Jon also made a contribution to the Penguins.  :)

(I hope so...  :-\ )

Np my 1mb connection is rock stable after engineer visited, haven't had disconnection in 68 days according to router. Nice little stint there - you got a run on me Tom and then I locked front tyres straight into tyre wall!! Funny car the 911, if I can master the braking i'll be on to something, fronts tend to stay quite cool.  :)

That F360 looks ace, nice low profile. Noticed you lock front inside a bit..  ;D

Take me ages making a setup, in fact don't think i've ever finished one - see you tomorrow.. !  8)

Grrr....
very laggy for me so had to leave to be safe, I was worried I'd cause mayhem at the start.

Those Eircom barstewards upgraded the line last week and this is what they provide >:(
I did a line test after I'm showing upload at 192 and download at 2.2 so on the surface it looks ok but in reality its like having a 56k modem.


Pity, was really looking forward to a another good scrap with JonM :(

Gutted, gutted, gutted.

EASILY my best qualifying performance in 4th and I get a "lost connection to host" when it ticked through to the warm-up session and (obviously) couldn't get back in.

This is me -->  :'(

Stupid, stupid game  >:(

Man am I miffed! (there's a word I haven't heard in a while)

The local phone company has been upgrading the line here and as a result I was getting pings of 500 and more. (cheers Shark for telling me what it was - would have spoiled the race for someone if you hadn't)

Checked the ole internetfrog and my upload speed is varying between 50 and 150, dowload between 1.7Meg and .7Meg with a QOS of 58%....grrrrrr.......

Hope it all went well tho and go KerbCrawlers!

I'm off to drive a Corvette around the Nordschleife, maybe that'll put a smile on my face!

I was gonna start this post by swearing and cursing and then saying I had no words for it... Which would have been a contradiction... I try to avoid those, unfortunately Simbin doesn't...

I don't even wanna see this one on my record tbh :( So far all races I joined I've scored points * sniff *

Pacing myself nicely in 5th, make a mistake (or tire already gone!?), spin off, gently hit tire barrier... Right rear tire has a puncture!? LOL! O K
Take it to the pit avoiding other traffic... Speed limiter on... Nice arrow at the end of the straight, bumblebee the Bi-T towards it... Stop under it... NOTHING! ROFL! Just nothing! Sat there for a minute thinking... Ok, I could go round the track again! Hehe, didn't wanna do that to the other drivers though ;), but seriously including the 3 before me, this is cack!

T (Proud to not have cursed in this post)

P.S. FFS! Oops... Hihi, I lied... Go tell Simbin...

Lol, sounds like a bad race, I'll have to pop into a NGT sesh at some point, see what the 360's like again!

Fozz

Not good for me either.

Dunno what's happened to GTR cause I never had frame rate issues like this in game. I was getting 10-20fps on the start finish straight it was making me feel motion sick. Same as Spa last week. Tried all sorts of stuff leaving the game and adjusting ini and plr settings to no avail. Offline with a full grid of 24 AI players I was getting 40-50fps on the start finish straight with well over 30fps even on lap 1 where all the cars are bunched up. My system is and always has been more than capable of running GTR. It does something like 118fps offline when practicing alone!

After spending the 95% of the Practice and Qual session leaving and joining and fiddling with settings to try and solve my frame rate issues I did 1 qualifying lap in the session with a couple of minutes to go which put me 5th on the grid. Not bad and only actually 0.2 behind my Morgan PB.

Saw Edza and Mo with 500ms ping times during qualifing and practice and they very kindly left before the race (cheers guys) and my FPS was better (still not normal) during the race than qualifying (so possibly related).

Race was a dull affair to be honest. Watch Truetom and the others piss off into the distance for which my Morgan simply had no response. I'm finding the ultimate lack of straight line speed in the Morgan the biggest killer in comparison to the other cars.

With about 11 minutes to go JonM started making mistakes and he appeared a few secs ahead. Ah ha I thought, he's having trouble, although by that time my tyres were going off too and my lap times were dropping off, I was just taking it easy as there was no threat from behind and no way to catch drivers ahead without mistakes.

Then with about 10 or 9 minutes to go lack of grip into the braking into the first corner at the end of the long straight (I was gradually having to brake earlier and earlier into the corner anyway as either the brakes were fried or the tyres just wouldn't grip that well under braking anymore) I didn't make the corner and headed off through the gravel into the tyre barrier. The pit bloke said something like "you've damaged your blurgh" but I just couldn't hear what he was saying. Then spent 60 seconds getting out of the gravel as the wheels were spinning but movement was nay to be had. Finally got back onto track about 10th I think and discovered the bloke had probably said something along the lines of "you've damaged the entire front end of your car and it's f**ked". It didn't seem to want to accelerate in a straight line and as I broke for the next corner, well, it didn't do much other than "sorry sir, but you can't expect to brake from 100mph when I told you the front end of your car is f**ked".

And that was that.  :)

If I get bad FPS again next race I dunno what I'll do, I can't play without smooth frame rate as (a) i get motion sick with low framerates (b) controlling the car is difficult when it's not smooth as it's not getting as many control samples per second.

Really gutted guys. I'd like to say "don't worry! We've got GTL and rFactor to use instead in the future!" But neither of them are any better  >:(

Couldn't believe it when you dropped out Pops, that was the best NGTL qually probably ever- not just top of the mid pack but right up there with top 3 times. Utter bollocks! There! I've sworn for you Tyf!

Had a few probs in qually and got about 10th. Kept is nice and steady throughout the race and, aside from one tap into the big stop at turn 2 and a spin of my own creation, incident free. Enjoyed some great tussles with Greg whose tyres looked as knackered as mine felt. I was watching the tyre temps around thaat last bend each lap and both lefts were soaring through all the friction, barley recovering before the next time I reached that corner. V pleased and surprised to have fluked 4th.

I know how you feel Simon - all through season 1 I had problems driving the car online due to low frame rates, especially at the start, and the edgy nature of the GTR cars means that you walk a tightrope with low fps. Sounds like the server might be the problem atm since there are several people with the same difficulties.

Couldnt believe you got disco'd after such a great qualy pops :(  Gutted for you mate, you would have got top 3 easy here.

I had a much better race than i thought i would. Qualied 10th which werent great as i had a couple of laps where i was really on it and got held up by outlap cars, but still got a PB.
After two drivers discod, found myself 8th on grid, got past Greg on first lap and pulled out a small lead on him for next few laps while he diced with Paul. Then turning into the corner at end of long straight on about lap 4 or 5, i'm smashed in the rear and knocked right to the back of the ferking gravel trap....rejoined in very last place, losing tons of time trying to get back on track. >:(
Then drove like a demon with outrage! and screamed back through the field picking off several drivers or watching them spin off until i got back up to 9th.
Then on very last lap i saw Greg spin off in front of me , then try and recover but span off again whilst trying to shut the door on me at the next corner....poetic justice?
 I brought it home in 8th, which if you'd asked me before the race i would have settled for as i dont like Anders. But i didnt make a single mistake the whole sodding race and so could have had a top 5 place, so a little disapointed really. :-\

Good news was i got past Blaz, greg and shark ! 8)

Well done Paul and Don who got 4th and 6th  8)

ps, had no framerate or stutter probs at all.

Replay and provisional results posted :)

I spent the 1st 2/3rds of the race following Don, never more than 2 secs in it as one of other of us would make a small mistake and the gap would grow or shrink accordingly. Then Don ran wide at the end of the runway, I got passed :) Then I spun onto the start/finish straight  >:(

Then I spun again for good measure. Like Shark I was finding very hard to get the car slowed down and kept missing apexes. Greg kindly gave me a place on the last lap, bad luck there but I know what shagged tyres felt like too ;)

Just one point I noticed at least one driver not using the limiter in the pitlane, please do so in future.

Perhaps SimBin have upgraded from C64's to Speccy's

Fozz

Had a good qually and start of race but then my lack of a good race set up and poor knowledge of the NGT's started to come in to play, need to get used to giving it a little acceleration in the corners.  Luckily there was no one around for me to crash into when I was spinning everwhere, which did wonders for my tyre's, must've had 6-7 offs :( Still, it made a nice change from the Lister, Might be time to lay the old girl to rest ;)
Must say thanks to Gerald for being very courteous, he was a gent at letting me through after I'd spun  :) Very happy to finish 3rd, could've easily damaged car and got a dnf  ;D ;D ;D Grats to Rich on his fine Victory ;D

I didn't have any technical probs here. Damn unlucky to the guys that did :(


Next time dude ;)

Yea, this race was going bad even before it started, what with all the warping, high pings, low framerate, and all. Too bad really.

First of all I'm glad that my line held this time. After getting disco four(!) previous evenings in a row I was getting really afraid that it'll happen tonight, too. But it didn't. Yay!  :)

Qualified 5th I think, but then Pops fell out (too bad, really, was happy you getting this quick) and I was surprised to be 3rd. Sbd else must've fell out. Anyway, I was 1 sec slower in quali than the 2nd (Rich), Shark was close after me in his funny car of his and I expected a tough race. I tried some laps with AIs and with the setup Jon provided I had soft fronts and med rears. Fronts gave up even before half the race passed so I decided to go with med/med. Seems to be a right decision, right Jon? I saw yours giving in before mine.

Race started ok, was following Rich closer than I expected, even Jon was not far ahead. Shark was slowly falling behind and I was quite satisfied with this. I tried to press Rich into making a mistake, but he didn't make any while I was close.  >:( great driving, Rich!  :)

Then I saw I was eating my tyres and decided to slow down a bit and I hoped Rich to have tyre problems. Well, Jon had them instead!  :D At approx the same time as Jon, Rich made a mistake also, so I was right behind him and we overtook Jon and I was doing a "do it or die!" thing on Rich, but after initial slowdown he got paced again and slowly took off. I tried to follow him, but my tyres were at the end at that time and I spun twice in short order. Seems like Jon kept spinning so I came limping to the finish on the second place. A blast of race, full of events, maybe the most difficult DRY race so far.

Happy to be 2nd, CONGRATS to the winner, great driving!

And good points for Penguins again!  :D I think there were four of us, or did I miss somebody. Don't know, have to see results first.

Hmm it's quite a good game, only a few bugs or things that don't work!!

Shark, your low frame rates sound like it could be throttling on GFX card. Once GPU reaches certain temp some card throttle back the GPU and RAM and lower vgpu too which would lower frame rates a bit - but if that's the case you'd expect to be ok one minute then slower the next as the card cools and then heats up.

Maybe check fan is working, otherwise I have a few tricks up my sleeve which might help. If I see you on msn, we chat and see what's what.

Disconnections back to lobby aren't Simbin fault either. Internet is a complex thing. What you will probably find is that your line stats are poor, i.e poor attenuatin and poor signal to noise ratio!! If you have a router you can find these things out.. I had poor stats and tried different things but eventually I phoned my ISP and they asked me to connect to btwholesale line test for 12 hours or more. After that period they said I had been disconnected several times and would send an engineer out to investigate. The engineer did some tests on my line, went down the street to a box somewhere came back and said he changed a few boards around - no idea what he did but my stats were excellent after that even good enough for 8mb line!! Sometimes lines can be like a blocked toilet, you got to phone for a plumber to flush the blockage away.

Maybe a sticky for Trouble shooting here would help - I start one anyhow!!

Shame you had to go Mo, Jon got a right old run on me about 0.5 a lap.. but I kept you behind Tom quite well, although you had no straight line speed huh.  :) What a pisser, and not easy out braking a 911 cause it got great grip on entry. But then I had an off, got too excited seeing Jon appear out of nowhere and had to fight you off again Tom which I did until you spun in final turn - geez you got some speed into that final turn, 911 is a dog round that one!!

And then I only tried to keep it clean and realized with about 2 mins to go I was in 1st and then about to lap a F360 when I get the 'beep' race has finished ect. my first win on UKGTR I think, WOOHOO thankyou. Though I think a lucky one cause it could quite easily have been anything bewteen third or fourth.  ::) ;D

Yep, I even had the "tyre's worn" Warning. Like I needed telling :D

Lol, yeah!  :D

Well what a bloody nightmare, sufferd the same fps issues as a few of the guys, one second its it the 100's next down in the 30's.  Now 30 fps aint to bad but its the transition between the two which screws me up, no warning just bang have a couple of seconds of 30 fps the nback up to 80 or 100.  Impossible to be consistant under those conditions.  
Is it time to try 1.5 ?

Anyway onto the race, qualed in 7th then after Mo had to leave up to 6th, bad luck mate it just aint on.

Race started and Nakano had a massive warp right in front of me letting 2 guys past.
Followed Mar karound for a few laps untill our coming together, appologies and pm sent, dont really want to discuss it in public as we all know where that will end.

Going along ok in 6th or 7th, had a good battle with Paul.  Tyres were really shot but was coping ok untill the final nail in coffin for tonight.
Last lap the wife decides to come in and starts talking about some irrelevant shit, loose concentration and have 2 off's loosing 3 places.  Still havn't found out what she wanted, arrrrgggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg.
Enough said.
 

Lol, Greg, I know what you mean. Mine came by 13 minutes before end and asked "Why are you so hot, it's not too warm today".  ::)

Luckily I was on the long straight and didn't lose concentration too much. Maybe they're just jelous?!  :D

Normaly I'm ok with the odd distraction, think it was a combination of a poor performance, shagged tyres and not enough practice on gtr, or maybe my bubble has well and truely burst.  Bloody women, always got to have their say, normaly at the wrong time.

Yep was quite wierd didnt have any lag before that and none after, hit the s/f line and it all froze just as i was about to leave the computer I was moving again ???

Bah!! you got to lock the door or something!! No way I would tolerate that, unless it's an emergency or something..

Those sudden low FPS is for sure throttling of GFX card which is caused by too much heat. When it reaches certain temp GPU and RAM speeds are lowered considerably to slower speeds in an attempt to decrease temps.

I know Nvidia are quite harsh on throttling. I had it on my previous FX5900.. only way I fixed it was by making a bios for it with no throttling at all and then flashing it but that's quite difficult to do!! If you want me to explain more how to do it I can? Anyhow I flashed FX5900 and it fixed it but there is a risk always doing that sort of thing.

Other way is some better cooling on GFX card i.e more expensive heatsink and fan, also got to keep case cool. Or alternatively, buy an ATI card cause they can take higher temps and have little or maybe no throttling at all - not sure but my x850xt gets to 50+ frames all the time. I cap frames at 50 by underclocking refresh rate to 50hz and then vsync on. I got 50 all the time no matter what including starts.. and it's super silky smooth as you can probably imagine.

If anyone want me to look into flashing bios on GFX card, I can do send me PM cause I think even with better temps it will still after a while throttle down. You got two choices really, flash bios or buy ATI card!!

Also, to keep my case cool I have PSU out side of case, side panel off and funneled ventilation system [using three big case fans and then re-directed 90 degrees] blowing cold air from outside window directly onto CPU and therefore around mobo. The funnel is made from card board and is air tight.  :)

Been there, got the T-Shirt. Nvidia, never again!! I have no complaints at all about both ATI cards i've had and using ATI Tray tools you got loads of additional tweaks and options.

I suffered from low fps for 3to 4 secs every lap going into turn 1. Despite that I had a fairly good race made some mistakes towards the end but delighted to have ended up 6th somehow?

Lol, #1 Fan.

No, it's definately not my graphics card. It runs at 35 degrees approximately. X800 XT. No overclocking, no overdrive. I ran a quick 24 AI driver race on full settings and 2x AA afterwards with no frame rate problems.

It's only started happening in GTR the last 3 weeks and only online. There is no problem with graphics cards, it's something in the network play, I do wonder whether there is something funny going on with the lobby interaction in the background cause we are still using 1.4 and not 1.5.

Not fiddling with settings again cause there is nothing wrong with it, it's GTR being shit. Roll on GTR 2. I love driving GTR but sometimes you just want to take a pick-axe to it!!  ;D ;D

Well done on the win Rich. You've been getting faster and faster recently, nice to notch your first win up.

Had a tricky time in qualli, it seemed that every time I was on for a half decent time someone joined the server, and that pause in the gameplay is a killer! Didnt make too much difference in lap time as it turned out, my best offline lap time would have only moved me up 2 places!! (some great drivers and times here  :o). Quallied in 17th.

Race was pretty much same as usual - spin off, lose a couple of places, someone else spins off, get those places back, finishing 13th. I find this track a very difficult one for overtaking, with the runway the only "safe" place, if you can get enough speed up out of T1, dont yet have the confidence to try and out brake into the corners.

My driving is getting consistently better tho (less offs), so thats pleasing.

Great drive by Nakano, 5th, good points for the Crawlers. Pity Mo had to go, else Im sure we would have had another 1st place!!  ;)

As far as fps is concerned, didnt find it too bad, apart from T6 for some reason, when it dropped thru the floor  ???

Cheers

Rob

Sorry, that was probably me reconnecting a lot. Thought it didn't give the pause anymore since 1.3 when Simbin added "only load cars in garage" option, or is this a different pause?

I was getting pauses last night (but not every time) on drivers joining the server.

It's never been noticable before since 1.3 as you say Shark. I have the "only load cars in garage" option selected, it's really odd.

Wonder if there is something to the 1.5 v's 1.4 patch theory?

Already thinking this was weird, lol! I checked it today and that last comment is incorrect, hehe!

https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&driver=127
Full Event Entry List <<< I looked at this and thought the number behind the races was points, hehe, hence I scored points in all races :^D. Wrong! N00b

/me slaps himself (gently, but firmly  ;) :D ;D)

T

It wasnt just you Shark, and it wasnt just last night. I get the pause every time someones connects to the server, and I always have. It just seemed last night that there were a lot of connections during qualli, or more precisely, when I was on track.

Cheers

Rob

Yea you could be right, bit of a coincidence you get it since patch was released but I don't have lower frames at all - same as it's always been. Maybe you've installed v1.5 and then uninstalled and that's causing it, maybe need fresh installation of GTR!! Don't know, maybe good idea to test v1.5 again with 24..

Just dropping back in here to say 

ARGGGGGGGG!

again,

and a big congrats to Rich_a on your first win  :)

Thnx, it's a good feeling crossing that line in 1st. But anything in the top six is an achievement imo.

I have been getting a little quicker in nGT but my Logitech pedals only allow me so much control. I will take it to the edge but beyond that I need better controllers.. i'm thinking new act labs stuff soon to be available looks the business.  :)

K dude, I thought ACT-LABS where dead, at least for racing parts, is there a URL you can give us.

Fozz

I didn't have any software issues last night, no pauses, low frames, etc., the game was stable.

I only had problems with tyres.  ;D

http://www.actlab.com/Products/race2.htm

Interesting that they are doing another stick :-)  I nearly paid a stupid amount for one of thiers on eBay a bit ago.

Fozz

Hi Guys was going distance last evening taking things easy for a start , I may have had a bit of help into a gravel trap , but caried on ok. Then I let a porsche through in the last corner , the b car went all heywire again and dumped me all over the place . Managed to creep in pits expecting to be DQ. Anyway had car repaired a carried on 3laps down to test it out and everything seemed ok so am assuming the game gave me a punture or somthing . bye for now gerald

I'm thinking someone must have been throwing nails at Ze Penguins m8! I had a puncture too... Eggs!

T