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Title: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Joe Shaw Memorial Trophy - Brands Hatch (Indy) - Apr 15
Post by: Ross Neilson on April 11, 2012, 02:42:06 PM +0100
We head south from Northants to Kent and the scenic undulations of Brands Hatch's Indy circuit. Joe scored two of his three Ginetta series podium places here and visited as spectator many times. With such a short lap traffic in both qualifying and the race is sure to be a factor here.

Race listiGOR
ServerUKGPL_GPG
IP address62.195.32.131
Date15-04-2012
Race timeRace starts at 21:30 UK time
Qualifying timeBetween 30 and 60 minutes, starting no later than 21:00 UK time
TrackBrands Hatch Indy (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=1356)
Mod67
Damage modelPRO
Race length59 laps
ReplayAvailable here (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Replays/Archive/Season22/Joe_Shaw_Memorial/S22_JoeShawMemorial_R02_2012_04_15_BrandsHatchIndy.rar)

The red zone will be fully moderated for lap 1 only. For this event the red zone will cover lap 1 in its entirety. Other moderation will be on reported incidents only.

Chassis rules, schedule and standings can be viewed here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=355&theme=6).


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Joe Shaw Memorial Trophy - Brands Hatch (Indy) - Apr 15
Post by: Ross Neilson on April 11, 2012, 02:45:24 PM +0100
BREASTS are running a fun race at Brands Indy tonight, details here;

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=10648.msg192667


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Joe Shaw Memorial Trophy - Brands Hatch (Indy) - Apr 15
Post by: fpolicardi on April 14, 2012, 01:37:53 AM +0100
GPG server is set to 59 laps Long race and listening on Igor.
Ciao


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Joe Shaw Memorial Trophy - Brands Hatch (Indy) - Apr 15
Post by: FullMetalGasket on April 15, 2012, 09:47:05 AM +0100
Will be amazed if I finish this one!
59 laps on a wobbly chair with mobile pedals  ;D  :o


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Joe Shaw Memorial Trophy - Brands Hatch (Indy) - Apr 15
Post by: Arf Arf Arf on April 15, 2012, 08:45:14 PM +0100
With apologies to a Mr Ceasar, of Rome

veni, vidi, warpi, effoffi

(I came, I saw, I had warp, I decided to do something else)

Is it something with this series' setting that is stopping me taking part? Haven't had these problems in Works/PSC recently


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Joe Shaw Memorial Trophy - Brands Hatch (Indy) - Apr 15
Post by: Artiglietti on April 15, 2012, 09:51:26 PM +0100
Sorry to the guys I binned, I spinned at T2 and tried to restart before the pack arrived, had I sat still I could have given them a chance to avoid me, rather silly move. Think the car was ok but retired in simpathy, wasnt feeling really racey anymore..Grats to eventual winner and all the finishers of this short but tricky track.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Joe Shaw Memorial Trophy - Brands Hatch (Indy) - Apr 15
Post by: kinghiro on April 15, 2012, 10:01:10 PM +0100
I got a touch by Juha in t1 who drifted wide after touching Al..just an accident and I was looking forward to fun. l2 Hannah tries to block a passing Bob by turning into him and gets the worst of it loosing one wheel. I wait patient for a standstill and let bob go first. while passing hannah he acc into me with one wheel missing . feel free to explain what you were thinking hannah..I saw the rpy from inside your car and I was very visible in your mirrors .
still hope you others have fun and do a proper race for Joe.I tried at least.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Joe Shaw Memorial Trophy - Brands Hatch (Indy) - Apr 15
Post by: Ronniepeterson on April 15, 2012, 10:30:52 PM +0100
Grats to the winner Clive and the runner up Tim. Apologies to Hannah, Bob and John for any hindrance to your race/fun during qualifying or the race, sorry. Lot of action early on thinned the field a bit which was a shame. But I hope everyone and more are back for Oulton. Ciao and goodnight.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Joe Shaw Memorial Trophy - Brands Hatch (Indy) - Apr 15
Post by: Al Heller on April 15, 2012, 10:38:57 PM +0100
Opening laps - I was having a big scrap with Juha & we crested Druids almost two abreast to find Art facing the wrong way on the outside of the turn having gone off. Not sure if it was a rather hasty rejoin or if Art was simply trying to get out of the way of us all, but unfortunately his spin-turn to rejoin placed his stationary car right in my path... no way to avoid a collision & so game over for me. Shame as I felt confident of bringing it home for good points here. 


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Joe Shaw Memorial Trophy - Brands Hatch (Indy) - Apr 15
Post by: Al Heller on April 15, 2012, 11:49:40 PM +0100
l2 Hannah tries to block a passing Bob by turning into him and gets the worst of it loosing his wheels. I wait patient for a standstill and let bob go first. while passing hannah he acc into me without wheels. feel free to explain what you were thinking hannah..I saw the rpy from inside your car and I was very visible in your mirrors .
still hope you others have fun and do a proper race for Joe.I tried at least.


I just watched this incident & it's not pretty. Especially when viewed from Hannah's car. I hope this isn't what it looks like...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Joe Shaw Memorial Trophy - Brands Hatch (Indy) - Apr 15
Post by: hannah on April 16, 2012, 12:30:11 AM +0100
Who ever it was was not going to get by on that turn and they decided to crash in to me.
As far as I could tell I was the second victim.
I was upset by this foolishness and tried to torpedo him off the track next lap.
This was supposed to be a fun race for Joe but it cannot be when this person is in a panic trying to get to where they think they deserve to be because they blew it in the first place.
I probably broke every driving rule however you cannot take a run at my goalie.

Apologies especially to the shaw family and to the memory of Joe because I retaliated when I thought it turned into a disgrace.

In my own defense I grew up laying hockey.

To Ronnie Peterson: no worries you are a nice person.

Malcolm


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Joe Shaw Memorial Trophy - Brands Hatch (Indy) - Apr 15
Post by: Al Heller on April 16, 2012, 01:15:46 AM +0100
Who ever it was was not going to get by on that turn and they decided to crash in to me.
As far as I could tell I was the second victim.
I was upset by this foolishness and tried to torpedo him off the track next lap.
This was supposed to be a fun race for Joe but it cannot be when this person is in a panic trying to get to where they think they deserve to be because they blew it in the first place.
I probably broke every driving rule however you cannot take a run at my goalie.


Hannah, I strongly suggest you take a look at the replay. There were two cars behind you & the driver you chose to "torpedo" (and swear at) had nothing at all to do with the earlier incident.

(Not that there's ever any justification for running anyone off the road). 








   


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Joe Shaw Memorial Trophy - Brands Hatch (Indy) - Apr 15
Post by: kinghiro on April 16, 2012, 02:02:26 AM +0100
Who ever it was was not going to get by on that turn and they decided to crash in to me.
As far as I could tell I was the second victim.
I was upset by this foolishness and tried to torpedo him off the track next lap.
This was supposed to be a fun race for Joe but it cannot be when this person is in a panic trying to get to where they think they deserve to be because they blew it in the first place.
I probably broke every driving rule however you cannot take a run at my goalie.

Apologies especially to the shaw family and to the memory of Joe because I retaliated when I thought it turned into a disgrace.

In my own defense I grew up laying hockey.

To Ronnie Peterson: no worries you are a nice person.


Malcolm


This post makes no sense at all apart from you thinking Bob crash you out while it to me look like you turn into him to prevent him from doing a clean pass. Anyways I was just waiting behind you till you stopped spinning. and you torpedoed me passing you, not on the next lap. you succeeded in destroying my car. I had to exit.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Joe Shaw Memorial Trophy - Brands Hatch (Indy) - Apr 15
Post by: kinghiro on April 16, 2012, 09:31:16 AM +0100

I was upset by this foolishness and tried to torpedo him off the track next lap.


This made me think Hannah..why do you talk about next lap? you already took me out and I went in to look again at rpy. And truely you do wait on the line to torpedo someone at l3 ..well you aimed for Bob this time , Bob who was glued to the inside line while you turned into him in the incident. you missed, but you kept waiting..my rpy stopped there


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Joe Shaw Memorial Trophy - Brands Hatch (Indy) - Apr 15
Post by: BadBlood on April 16, 2012, 09:40:24 AM +0100
Guys - enough please. This is a moderated race and we will deal with the incidents in the usual way. Let me make it clear that we expect the HIGHEST standards of courtesy and driver behaviour. Drivers deliberately ruining somebody else's race can expect to be sanctioned severely and anyone taking 'revenge' action will also be penalised heavily. Please report the incidents in the usual way and it will be dealt with.

Let me also draw your attention to the fact that we strongly discourage swearing. It is forbidden in the forums and we do not want to see it in the chat room.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Joe Shaw Memorial Trophy - Brands Hatch (Indy) - Apr 15
Post by: Ronniepeterson on April 16, 2012, 05:26:58 PM +0100
Lot of incidents then in this race. I was involved in a few unintended collisions myself (Hannah, Bob, John, sorry guys). But sometimes these things just happen. I remember being totally wiped out at half distance by a certain alien driver in his last race victory at Zolder! But check out the response I got.

Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Works (67) - Zolder - Feb 5
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2012, 11:26:48 PM +0000 »

"Firstly I'd like to apologise to Ray (RonniePeterson) for taking him out of the race, I'd settled into something of a daze after knocking round by myself for quite a while, and my reactions were not at their sharpest when I ran into the back of him as he slowed to let me past. Unfortunately the end result was Ray winding up upside down, very sorry." 

RIP Joe and as for the rest of us we should get our incident reports in and/or just move on.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Joe Shaw Memorial Trophy - Brands Hatch (Indy) - Apr 15
Post by: Baab on April 16, 2012, 10:03:51 PM +0100
Who ever it was was not going to get by on that turn and they decided to crash in to me.
As far as I could tell I was the second victim.
I was upset by this foolishness and tried to torpedo him off the track next lap.
This was supposed to be a fun race for Joe but it cannot be when this person is in a panic trying to get to where they think they deserve to be because they blew it in the first place.
I probably broke every driving rule however you cannot take a run at my goalie.

Apologies especially to the shaw family and to the memory of Joe because I retaliated when I thought it turned into a disgrace.

In my own defense I grew up laying hockey.

To Ronnie Peterson: no worries you are a nice person.

Malcolm

Malcolm, not sure if you viewed a replay or not but the nameless person you refer to, as you now no doubt know, was me.  I have submitted my statement about the incident so we will have to see what the mods make of it.  I can assure you that I was only trying to get past.  I was in no hurry to make up places after my L1 spin, but in my view this was a genuine chance to get by.  Pity your race ended at that point, the crash model seemed to inflict a disproportionate amount of damage to you and seemingly none to me.

I am really sorry that Tom (KingHiro) was dragged into this through my actions, a totally innocent party who's race was also effectively ended at this point.  I see you waited for me at the last turn Malcolm and attempted to ram me when coming round next lap...I'll just say this isn't hockey.  You owe Tom an apology.

Ronnie, thanks for the apology, I am also sorry for my part in the incidents, perhaps I surprised you.  Luckily we didn't have damage...or only light damage so could continue.  When we rejoined I don't think we could see each other which resulted in the second collision...

In the end my internet connection dropped and my race was run.  I was steadily improving my times and reckon there was still a bit to be had, but I was pleased with my best lap of 49.0.  Even though it is a short lap it is challenging.

Cheers,

Bob.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Joe Shaw Memorial Trophy - Brands Hatch (Indy) - Apr 15
Post by: hannah on April 17, 2012, 02:40:03 PM +0100
Here is a video of my defense statement.

http://www.silversevensens.com/2012/4/15/2951083/ottawa-senators-matt-carkner-suspended-one-game-new-york-rangers-brian-boyle

Malcolm


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Joe Shaw Memorial Trophy - Brands Hatch (Indy) - Apr 15
Post by: BadBlood on April 17, 2012, 03:00:30 PM +0100
There is no defence for what you did and this is NOT ice hockey. If you simply want to thump somebody, find another game.

And yes, I am cross about it.  >:(

Grow up.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Joe Shaw Memorial Trophy - Brands Hatch (Indy) - Apr 15
Post by: hannah on April 18, 2012, 12:55:13 AM +0100
Actually there is because it did happen.

I used an analogy to explain this.

A moderators decision would be racing incident anyway and I disagree and did something about it.

Does that help understand?

Malcolm


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Joe Shaw Memorial Trophy - Brands Hatch (Indy) - Apr 15
Post by: Al Heller on April 18, 2012, 08:15:22 AM +0100
Actually there is because it did happen.

I used an analogy to explain this.

A moderators decision would be racing incident anyway and I disagree and did something about it.

Does that help understand?

Malcolm

But you had a "racing incident" with Baab (Bob) & you "did something about it" against King Hiro (Tom). How does the analogy explain that?


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Joe Shaw Memorial Trophy - Brands Hatch (Indy) - Apr 15
Post by: BadBlood on April 18, 2012, 12:42:56 PM +0100
If you feel unable to accept a moderators decision (which has not even been made yet) and you will not, or can not abide by the regulations under which these races take place, then you have no place racing with us.



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Joe Shaw Memorial Trophy - Brands Hatch (Indy) - Apr 15
Post by: hannah on April 18, 2012, 01:51:46 PM +0100
This applies to racers that think this is Forza 3.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Joe Shaw Memorial Trophy - Brands Hatch (Indy) - Apr 15
Post by: Ross Neilson on April 18, 2012, 02:16:32 PM +0100
You're completely missing the point Malcolm. If you feel Bob was in the wrong for your collision, you should report it through the usual channels and let the moderators rule on it. You should not attempt to exact justice on the track by deliberately ramming an opponent.

Even if Bob was in the wrong, you should not have done what you did. To make things even worse, you actually rammed the wrong guy, just because he was driving the same car and was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Instead of referring to hockey all the time, a full and frank apology to Bob and especially Tom (King Hiro) would be a better course of action for you.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Joe Shaw Memorial Trophy - Brands Hatch (Indy) - Apr 15
Post by: hannah on April 19, 2012, 01:55:04 PM +0100
Just trying to help you understand what Canadians are like when it come time for the decision.

Hockey is the perfect analogy. You screw somebody up and you will get it back regardless of rules. That is the way it is here.

The important thing is that Canadians do not go around starting it.

A sincere apology to Tom. I did not mean to spoil your race. I am sorry for what I did to you and you certainly did not deserve to victimized by my berserk act.

I do not know who Bob is? I do not have the replay.

I think that bad blood needs to stay out of this because how can the moderators do their job properly when you have somebody in what is probably a senior influential position chanting in the background for your head. This is prejudicial and biased. So full of love yet so full of hate.

Malcolm



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Joe Shaw Memorial Trophy - Brands Hatch (Indy) - Apr 15
Post by: BadBlood on April 19, 2012, 07:48:30 PM +0100
I am not moderating this Malcolm but if it ever comes to appeal I'll throw the book at you. You can be assured that it will all be within the rules. I will give you the same unbiased treatment that other appellants get.

You just don't seem to get it. Bob didn't do too much wrong and you did and if 'that is how I am' is as good as it gets please don't bother re-registering. You appear to be saying that you reserve the right to ignore the rules. That is your prerogative. It is mine to exclude you from membership.

My responsibility is to ensure that we enjoy this game. Bad and discourteous driving will NEVER be acceptable. Anyone else who drives in the manner you did will also be treated exactly the same. My statement that the minimum you can expect is disqualification is a statement of fact based on the Etiquette section of our rules. In particular you are not allowed to drive the wrong way which you did for some considerable distance.

You will find no support within our community for what you did.

Not only did you besmirch Joe's memory, you continue to do so which is contemptible. But that, of course, is just my personal opinion.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Joe Shaw Memorial Trophy - Brands Hatch (Indy) - Apr 15
Post by: kinghiro on April 19, 2012, 11:56:13 PM +0100
Appreciate the Apology.I can assure you I saw red too, I had already been pushed off in t1 by Juha. A bit scary that (if I get you right) you wouldn t hesitate retaliation in future races. It s just not the way to do it in racing regardless of how much one feel like the victim right there and then, and the probability to involve others is big.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Joe Shaw Memorial Trophy - Brands Hatch (Indy) - Apr 15
Post by: BadBlood on April 20, 2012, 12:40:43 AM +0100
Replay is here (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/replays/archive/season22/Joe_Shaw_Memorial/S22_JoeShawMemorial_R02_2012_04_15_BrandsHatchIndy.rar)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Joe Shaw Memorial Trophy - Brands Hatch (Indy) - Apr 15
Post by: hannah on April 20, 2012, 02:15:31 PM +0100
Thanks Tom and you are correct.

This is why bad blood should not be a moderator. It will always be personal never professional.

Not to worry, I am NOT going to race the final event because I was doing much better until bad blood decided to vent his spleen constantly and I am upset again.

The real problem is guys like bob. I promise everybody that unless he takes a good look at himself he will do it again.

Malcolm


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Joe Shaw Memorial Trophy - Brands Hatch (Indy) - Apr 15
Post by: Ross Neilson on April 20, 2012, 02:37:54 PM +0100
The real problem is guys like bob. I promise everybody that unless he takes a good look at himself he will do it again.

If you believe that to be the case Malcolm then please submit an incident report and attach your client replay. You obviously feel strongly about this so you should take the time to state your view through the official channel rather than here on the forum. Thank you.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Joe Shaw Memorial Trophy - Brands Hatch (Indy) - Apr 15
Post by: Ronniepeterson on April 20, 2012, 05:41:38 PM +0100
You will find no support within our community for what you did.

I'm not condoning what Malcolm did and I'm sure the moderatores will judge him harshly and rightly so in the circumsatnces. But he has apologised for his behaviour and that apology has been accepted. He clearly feels he was on the receiving end from Bob earlier, racing incident for me, but he is entitled to his opinion whether he submits an incident report or not. Maybe its just time for the mods to do their job now so we can all move on.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Joe Shaw Memorial Trophy - Brands Hatch (Indy) - Apr 15
Post by: hannah on April 21, 2012, 03:44:24 PM +0100
Hmm.. I watched the replay for the first time and noticed that Bob had a problem with almost every driver he was near.

Ronnie Peterson and he had a nice little punch up entering the front straight. Good job Ronnie. He had no business going banzai on you and you were perfectly correct to punt him off the track to get your position back. I support you.

Here is the problem..submissions are based on differential thought and need to be integral thought. Hence a pattern, theme, or behavior will never be recognized.

That was really important and certain ( not all moderators ) are too dull to understand.

Now here is what is going to happen.

I am not going to submit an incident report because I  see it as pointless. My wheels were pointed straight for the exit of the turn a full second before Bob ran into me and a two place penalty does not make a difference to me when I cannot continue.

Finally, I am quitting racing. Thanks Bod and Bad Blood.

I was looking forward to the moderator's report which I though would be fair but now with another senior moderator publicly ranting the poison has set in and has been biased.

Malcolm


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Joe Shaw Memorial Trophy - Brands Hatch (Indy) - Apr 15
Post by: Ross Neilson on April 23, 2012, 08:51:06 PM +0100
Moderation published.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Joe Shaw Memorial Trophy - Brands Hatch (Indy) - Apr 15
Post by: hannah on April 24, 2012, 12:43:41 AM +0100
fair enough.

Thanks,

Malcolm


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Joe Shaw Memorial Trophy - Brands Hatch (Indy) - Apr 15
Post by: Ronniepeterson on April 24, 2012, 07:48:40 AM +0100
Apologies again John and congrats on the podium spot.