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UKGPL Season 22 65 Novices Trophy
Race 9 Mosport

Welcome to the 9th round of the Novices Trophy for Season 22. Back to Papy tracks and an old favourite in the form of Mosport. This Canadian track was originally a farm but by the time it hosted its first race in 1960, the cows were a distant memory, they had 'moo'ved on ;)

Canada joined the Formula 1 circuit in 1967 at this track, as Mosport hosted the first Player's sponsored Canadian Grand Prix. Despite rain, the crowd was huge (58,000) as Jack Brabham drove to victory over another longtime Mosport Park favourite, Denny Hulme.

The complex was originally just one track-the 3.96 kilometre (2.459 mile) road course. Mosport has now grown to include four circuits on 750 acres of beautiful park land but we will be driving the challenging original with its mix of fast sweepers, long straights and tight corners, all whilst changing altitudes affect the driver's vision.

The first lap will be fully moderated within the red zone. The red zone will cover the whole of the first lap.

Please check the Season 22 pages for details (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=335&theme=6) regarding rules and the Novices Trophy (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=340&theme=6) pages in particular.

It is very important that drivers are FULLY familiar with the rules relating to Shift-R. EVERY Shift-R MUST be followed by a Stop-and-Go or the driver will be excluded.

Please see the Novices registration thread for an explanation of the chassis allocations shown below:
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=9196.0

Please ensure that you take a valid chassis for your group. THIS IS IMPORTANT AS THE CHASSIS GROUPINGS AND YOUR SEEDING HAS CHANGED. Please check the Novice Chassis thread (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=9986.45). I will be checking.

There are some new faces potentially amongst us who have been assigned to Group I. Other drivers have also had seedings changed as part of an ongoing review. If you feel you have been wrongly seeded, please let me know.

Group I
Lotus, Ferrari, BRM, Honda, BT11, Cooper, BT7

GROUP 2
BRM, Honda, BT11, Ferrari, Cooper, BT7

GROUP 3
Honda, Cooper, BT7

GROUP 4
Cooper, BT7

GROUP 5
BT7

FULL TIME

DRIVER	CHASSIS GROUP
Badblood	1
Rotaxmax125	3
il lupo mannaro	2
blito	5
NHance	3
HappyAl	2
Nigel Smith	3
economia	2
Hendy Nichols	4
Screwcutter	2
RogUK	4
Roberto Vianna	1
Pierre D	1
carlospaz	1
Phillipe GIRARD	1
Giovani	1
Leonardo	1
Noguiera	1

RESERVE

DRIVER	CHASSIS GROUP
Miniblood	2
JonnyBoy	3
goldtop	1
AuldenA	2
Norbert	2
BookieW	1

Race List = iGOR
Server = UKGPL3
IP address = ping ukgpl3.dyndns.org
Race date = 24/04/2012
Time = no later then 9:00pm UK Time (30-60 mins practice, race starts at 9:30pm)
Track = Mosport (Papy)
Variant = 65F1
Damage Model = Int
Qualifying time = 30 minutes
Race length = 27 laps
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Qualifying may start before 9pm, if so, Reserve drivers should leave the server when 35 minutes of qualifying remains and only rejoin when 30 minutes of qualifying is left. This is to ensure that Full Time drivers get priority in joining.

Please restrict chat to pit messages if necessary, and this includes the end of the race, until all running drivers have completed the necessary laps.

The Novice races are run under Int Long rules and all incidents in the Lap 1 red zone will be moderated.


65 Patch: The 2.02 Release of the 65mod can and should be used. You need a working installation of the 65 mod to install the 2.02 Update. All the 65 Mod files can be found here (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Mods/1965)

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=340;theme=6)

Password: see above (#post_event_password)

I've been doing quite a bit of pratice for this track and I still suck. I hate this track :(

I'll see everyone tomorrow, and I'm not expecting much, I'm just hoping for a trouble free run.

Not as much as I do... I had my first ever race here but I can't consistently beat 1:30 - I have definitely improved since then but I can't seem to hook it together. I;ve been using the white whale but I may try the Fezza here...

Last time out I was 2 Laps down at the end - hope to be a bit closer this time but we will see - the cast changes but positions remain stubbornly the same...

Yes I remember it well, some unknown Italian hotshoe called Artiglietti surprised us in qually and it was a topsy-turvy race that ended in the stewards' room. At one point every car I saw seemed to be a Waza :)

Sounds as if you are doing exactly what I did when first trying to get to grips with this track , namely pushing it too hard to get a good lap .

Take it easy , let the track come to you

IMO it pays not to brake to late for the corners , a clean exit is more important for speed down the straight bits  ;)

Unless of course its the straights your having the problems with  ;D

 

My problem is that I just don't know where I am losing time :(


**** Great advice Bernie - just did 10 laps at an average of 1:29.2 (with an extra 1:41 in the middle when I pushed too hard). Never beaten 1:30 here before...

I remember well that race myself. It was my first ever championship race, I had practiced for the previous 3 weeks :wacko: , determined to come in with a bang. Yep, precisely: binned it already at lap 2, then spinned again a few laps later, blocked shamelessly and clashed with karliss while trying to rejoin from that, reset without S&G as I thought I was in the right  ???, then moved on to rear end Paul while trying to lap him, and capped it all with clashing with the moderator in an overtaking attempt on the backstraight, for which he has never forgiven me... I remember wondering why the atmosphere wasnt that friendly anymore in the forum, and putting it down to my outrageous speed.. ;D ;D

When I watched the replay afterwards, I realised that had I kept it cool after the first mistake, I would have probably taken my lead back just waiting for the others to fall off... ;)

Yes indeed, once in a while there's a race, that sticks in the mind.  Come back Tim, if all is forgiven!?:angel:

I've learnt that, this really is a track that you need to be tidy at. My problem is that I can do that for a lap or two, but always end up pushing, and as soon as I push I bin it.

One of my first UKGPL races was here too, it was Vosblood's first race and we had a huge coming together on the main straight, and if I remember correctly, took out the leader :(

I'll be there, but really don't expect anything in the race.

Yeh yeh Al.  FL and pole no doubt... you Vettle, you ;)

Doubt it, as I'm really struggling here for a decent time. Even if I do manage a hot time, I still can't keep it on the black stuff here so I won't be finishing well.

LOL - I managed to do a 1:27.6 which is nearly three seconds better than my previous best so super pleased. Upload my times to GPLRank and check my buddies...

Who is nearly a second faster 'Slow' Al  ;D

I find Sector 1 the most challenging and it is that downhill swoop at T2. Either overcook and hit the kerb or go wide and lose the back on the grass - that is the key for me. I am slow at Moss and I know that there is a second there but if I push it I end up in the armco... fun track though and will always have fond memories as it was my first ever league race. Hope to do better than I did that day although I have doubtless set myself up for four resets, 10 penalty points and last place  ;D

We'll see how everyone else is doing tonight, I bet I won't be near the front.

And like I said, putting in 1 fast lap is easy, keeping it on teh black stuff is hard for me.

The whole track is a pain for me, I can lose a bunch of time all over the place, and spin, crash, go wide tec. but for me the place where I nearly aways make a mistake is the hairpin onto the straight. I always end up pushing too much into the hairpin and mess up my exit, which means that I loss a chunk of time along teh straight, and even when I know about it, and try to keep it neat, I still mess up the exit to that corner.

yeah Al,

I have the same feelings with this track.
In my offline times I avoided to race here but now I have to...

My only way to get it better is doing more and more laps, every 20 laps I found a 10th  ;)

Know what you mean - I can do it offline but I use the whole of the road. God knows what will happen if there is anyone else there... :(

Never known a track generate such pre race interest. I too remember Artiglietti's debut, unforgettable!. The Mods report was one of the longest ever. ;D
I don't mind the place as its the track I used most when I got GPL to try & learn to drive these things because its such a test. Lets face it its got everything, gradient, a corner in every gear,a jump, touch the grass or the kerb & your "off", plus if you get away you'll have to lap others & it's obviously created memorable races . I'd love a win here more than any other track because of that, in my dreams ::)
Norm H

Due to a family emergency I have to start the servers VERY early. Sorry.

Agreed, though I remember one time, some crazy guy wrote a poem, about the place, before a race! ;D

Phew - emergency over

Setting a PB fairly early in qualy gave me enough time to relax and then try out a few laps with race fuel. I figured with two in front, I would just have to stay on the track in order to keep my position since the cooper was handling so well here. Wrong! Seemed like I was battling someone almost the entire race. Didn't have to reset, but got in a few wrecks. Luckily no damage that I could tell. Definitely going to watch the replay on this one. I think I went from 3rd to 12th to 4th.

There were a few places on the track I was able to close gaps with those in front of me, mostly on turn 4 into 5A and moss. I watched the record replay for the COO and learned to shift up to 5th on the downhill side of 4, 121+mph before quickly shifting down into 2nd, with a half inch higher ride height + some stiff springs, the uphill into 5A was great at killing my momentum enough to swing into moss.

I think actually the hardest turn for me to execute was turn 1. It never quite feels right, usually the car ends up off balance and wobbly. Fortunately on this track there are a few good left-hand turns to really even out the tyre heat.

Grats to the podium! Hope to see you all for the next race.

Had some great battles and I have FINALLY beaten Nigel after two years of trying (sorry Mr Smith - had to say it). I am sure normal service will be resumed at Zandvoort.

Couple of mistakes threw away the 4th place I had inherited after the T2 shambles. Then I relaxed and the Honda power started to tell. Reeled in a few people and then suddenly Hendy was on my tail. I had been concentrating on Fabio ahead and I felt I could catch him if I was accurate so it was a bit of a shock to see the rapidly approaching Cooper. I held him off for a few laps but a mistake at T2 (I think) let him through - he was super quick there. I then followed for a lap or two but another small mistake at T3 put me back into Il Lupo's clutches. Luckily for me, he overdid it and then I had to fend Dave off for only a couple of laps. I put in two REALLY scruffy ones and ended up .4 secs ahead. Relief.

My best ever even if it did not match my best places ever.

WD Al - you sand bagger ;) and grats to Johnny and Rog. If I hadn't held Hendy up, I am sure he would have podiumed though.

Cracking race.

I picked up my own replay to watch the mess at turn 8 (2nd lap).  It is always a good spot for sadistic fans ! Since a bunch of disgraced elite drivers was catching up on me , I sheepishly went to the left to let them pass and I got really pissed off when your Cooper hit me on the side and sent me to orbite. At the time, I thought "sh... how much room this guy needs to pass ! " Well, the replay tells a different story . It is a very good example of the reason why an apparent victim must restrain from flaming just after a race: it first start with Paul hitting you from the back and then, as you have managed to brilliantly keep control of your car, you got hit from the side by another Samurai (R. Venn) who  sent your car into mine. I didn't have your luck and I needed a shif-R to restart.

I watched a bit more of the replay  and I can tell you something: the Hondas in that race looked like lawn mowers !  Back to the roots of the company. Soichiro would have been delighted !

As far as I'm concerned, I started practicing this morning. I tested five cars and I never managed to get below 1:30. I got the race I deserved .At least, for once, it didn't end in the armco before the Moss .  I'm starting to be kind of skeptical about my chances to win this championship though.  ;D

See you in Zandvoort.

I'm not quite sure what to make of last nights race. As always I was restricted to the BT7 but thought it would be less of a handicap here than elsewhere and that it was capable of a podium finish. Well it was but not in my hands! My car was evil... pure evil to drive. It hated me, it rebelled against my control at every corner and ignored my every command. The car did what it wanted to do and not what I wanted it to do.
The start - well that almost went well! I shot off the line like a scalded cat and was past two Hondas before T1 and alongside another into T1, moving up into 3rd place on the exit... T2 I tried to be cheeky and follow Al up the inside of Norm but there really wasn't enough room - Norm and I touched wheels and he was off :(
I briefly managed to lead after Al made a mistake and did a 360 at 5a but my lead was brief - after just a couple of laps my car bottomed out on the entry and I had my first spin.
First of 10
Or maybe more
the biggest problem though was tyre over heating - just a few laps at full chat saw the front left go into meltdown and every time I tried to compensate by going slow and smooth I would just loose the groove and crash.
All in all just about the worst 1965 race I have ever driven :(
Nice to see Al on the top step though - well done fella :)

That is really interesting as from my POV I didn't hit Hendy but his car 'jumped' in front of mine... I'll check my own replay and compare to the server one.

*** I was alongside Hendy when we touched and I don't think I did too much wrong but if you don't report it I will, but I can't mod it, obviously

Whoo, first win!!!

Really pleased with my race, and I can honest say that I did not expect that result. I have done a whole lot of practice for this race, but seem to peak about 3 weeks ago, and stay flat in terms of my pace. Looking at the times we last run here, I was expecting to be midfield.

I set a PB in qualify, it took me a few attempts as I was having problems getting a good lap. Once I set a fast time, I change the car to full fuel and started thinking about race starts.

At the start of the race I got a OK start which kept me in second place. I was nice and easy for the first few corners as I knew the car was a little tricky on cold tyres and full tanks. I didn’t see what happened but all of a sudden I was in the lead, with Jason very close behind. I tried to think about tyre warm up, but I was too aggressive coming out of the chicane, and got very sideways, letting Jason past me for the lead. Jason made a mistake a few laps latter which gave me back the lead and a little bit of a gap to the car behind.

I had about 5 seconds now, and it settled me right down. I managed to get some nice consistence laps and the gap was pretty stable. I don’t know what was happening behind because the gap was nearly 30 seconds. At this point I slowed right down and cruised to the finish. That was pretty much my race, I was watching prib, and it look a pretty exciting race, with lots of place changes.

Jason, in practice I too was having a tyre overheating problem, mainly left rear for me. I was lucky in the race that I didn’t need to push it too much, and in fact I had the opposite problem with not generating enough heat in my tyres.

Very glad to get my first win, I didn’t expect it to happen at this track, and I suppose I have got to hate this place a little less from now on. Do I hold the record for longest serving member before a race win?

Well done to Johnny, a hard fought second place and to Rog too, a great third that helps your championship charge.

Looking forward to the championship decider at Zandy, if my maths are correct, it’s a 3 horse race going into the last race. Good luck to everyone.

Big congrats Al.

Well done Al and grats on the maiden win   :)

Well done the podium & particularly Al on his 1st Novs win. Al has always had the speed if he can find the time to practice. This time he supprised us all, and himself apparantly, by keeping it going throughout the race. Don't like the track indeed!!!!......ummmmm.... you gotta like it now Al

After the Lap 1 turn 2 shiftR and S&G I managed to get back into it aided by a not too bad race pace, unusual for me, & a lot of offs by those in front. Followed the most amazing battle between two old Honda rivals B/Blood & Nigel for a few laps. It was so good it seemed intrusive to intervene which I couldn't as they were quick but eventually Nigel made a mistake & I was through. Not easy but through. Missed gears resulted in 2 offs at turn 2 & a spin & off at the hairpin also lost me places during the race.

Ok the lap 1 thingy did dent my title chances a bit but so what say I because this was the most enjoyable race of the season on one of my all time favourite tracks. It was brilliant, loved it ;D. By the way was that a debut by Dave Curtis ( I may be mixed up about this) who is shown as FT but not listed 'cos if it was it was a good one in the race. He even challenged the "vastly experienced"( he'll like that ;D) B/Blood all the last lap. Hope he's not that quick at Zandy ;).

So one to go. Team mate Clutch is putting the entire resources of Mountside Racing at my disposal for the final race which should scare the opposition ::). This means he'll forsake his beloved BT11 for a Honda to try & find a set up I can drive faster than my own. He'll also lend me his H shifter if mine packs up before the last race. Right now my Honda & Cooper best times at Zandy are the same but well off my BT11 PB. Thanks everyone it was great & hope you're all at the next one.
Norm H

Yeah! WD Al! Gratulations!

It seems to fear a track makes us better driving!

It was good

Yes it was.

I do ;)

Congrats AL well done.  ;D

Many congratulations on your debut win Al :) Don't leave it so long 'til the next one though ;)

Well done for your first win Al!! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

My race was a complete disaster instead... :oops:

See you all on the Dutch dunes

I put some laps in in the weeks before the race using my snetterton set up with adjustments to the top gears and camber and could achieve a lap in the high 26's so I was pleased to repeat this in qualifying although still only got fifth position. The setup I found for snetterton really helped me as before then I could not get the honda to stop and enter the corner facing forwards- for the record it was softening the rear rebound that did it. Anyway- the race- A slow start saw a few pass me into the first bend but I saw trouble ahead and cars sliding at all angles and managed to sneak through, when things quietened down I found myself in third with first and second pulling away from me. I opted for a conservative race as in practice I slid off the track a lot when pushing for a quick time so I was around a second or so off my best but it was much easier to stay on track. I don't know who was second but I think they slid somewhere as I did'nt make a pass in anger all race so for most off the time I just watched the gap to the leader slowly increasing until about 10 or 11 laps to go when my engine blew. A reset and stop and go saw me exit just in front of rog and hendy who both passed me within a few laps but also gave me back the place within a few laps. With 4 to go I short shifted all the way home terrified another engine failure would rob me of a podium- which it did'nt. Well done to Al on his great win. :D

Yes,  I'm somewhat late to the '65 party!

I've not really done any driving in the '65s [or '69s/F2/GT/anything-that-isn't-standard-'67s;  not that I know about that either...].
But from the forums, it seemed that everyone is having a good time out there.  After joining in the Christmas Santas vs. Elves special last year (eek!),  I thought that maybe it would be worth a go.

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So I have now competed about 39 laps round Mosport in a '65,  although admittedly the corners are still in the same place & go the same way.   With offline practice of a half-dozen laps in each Honda & Lotus,  I was 3secs slower in the Honda (which I was slighty disappointed in - I have a soft spot for them in '67 guise), so Lotus seemed better option.
Pre-qually PB was just sub-1:30. I was surprised to get 0.7 off that in qually & somehow got a further 1.1 off that near the end of the race,  probably because I was being pulled around.

All in all, these things are fun but I really need guys ahead to run off the track more!  There seemed to be quite a lot going on ahead of me,  which is how I inherited 4th at one point - before too many offs myself & back down to 10th or so.  So, there probably wasn't much actual overtaking (from me anyway).
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Seems that being precise may be the key.  I'm just untidy everywhere,  but it sure was a blast!

Thanks for letting me in at short notice.  I tried to keep out of the way as much as possible, not that it necessarily panned out like that all the time.

Cheers,
Dave.

I was grateful you stuck to that on the last lap... I didn't dare look in the mirrors....

Well done Al, you've earnt it.

Anyone got any tips for Zandvoort - like Mosport I cannot break 1:30 but unlike Mosport I haven't found a way to do it consistently faster and I am stuck in the low 1:32's. Even Prib is 1:31+ :(

Gearing seems important and I am struggling with that. Tried the Fezza and nearly melted the front left :(

Better than last time though - my best in Season 20 was 1:34.6 - I can do better than that now...

I often go to GPL adddicts for inspiration , Steve Cloyds set ups are as good as any , the gearing is spot on but you might like to change the brake bias more towards the front .

After that its all about "line" and yet again corner exit speed  escp. out of "tarzan" and the final r/h before the main straight

Suggest you D/L and have a butchers at Steves replay to see how its done .

If you can get anywhere close to his 1:26 times , I'm gonna burn my wheel and peddles  :D

Probably closer to 26.1 (minutes)  :D

I find Steve Cloyds setups almost undriveable but I'll try anything....

Try setting the BB at 52% ish

52!!! Holy cow I never go below 55...

Thanks guys for all the kind words. It feels good to finialy win a race, and I hope t's not another 95 races before the next win.

Mod published - you all did very well...