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Title: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Novices (65) - Zandvoort (1948-72) - May 8
Post by: BadBlood on May 03, 2012, 08:15:52 PM +0100
UKGPL Season 22 65 Novices Trophy
Race 9 Zandvoort

Welcome to the final round of the Novices Trophy for Season 22 - we are off to Holland to play in the sand dunes. Norm has what looks like a solid lead but because of his need to drop a score, it is a straight fight between him and Hendy for the Novice crown. Good luck to them both. Rog is comfortable in third but can't reach the top step.

Circuit Park Zandvoort is located in Burgemeester van Alphenstraat, near the town of Zandvoort in the Netherlands. The first street race was held on June 3, 1939. A real circuit was not built until after the war, based on communications roads built by the German army during its occupation in WW2. It was inaugurated on August 7, 1948. Next year the circuit hosted the Zandvoort Grand Prix. The following year, the race was called the Dutch Grand Prix, and it was included in the Formula One World Championship from 1952. It remained on the F1 calendar for 30 out of the next 34 years. In 1985, the Dutch Grand Prix was held for the last time. The company that commercially ran the circuit went out of business, marking the end of Circuit Zandvoort. A plan to save the remaining track was eventually made and Circuit Park Zandvoort was born, a 1.6 mile Club Circuit, in 1989.

The circuit is a twisty bumpy monster and it can be difficult to pass. So beware.

The first lap will be fully moderated within the red zone. The red zone will cover the whole of the first lap.

Please check the Season 22 pages for details (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=335&theme=6) regarding rules and the Novices Trophy (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=340&theme=6) pages in particular.

It is very important that drivers are FULLY familiar with the rules relating to Shift-R. EVERY Shift-R MUST be followed by a Stop-and-Go or the driver will be excluded.

Please see the Novices registration thread for an explanation of the chassis allocations shown below:
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=9196.0

Please ensure that you take a valid chassis for your group. THIS IS IMPORTANT AS THE CHASSIS GROUPINGS AND YOUR SEEDING HAS CHANGED. Please check the Novice Chassis thread (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=9986.45). I will be checking.

There are some new faces potentially amongst us who have been assigned to Group I. Other drivers have also had seedings changed as part of an ongoing review. If you feel you have been wrongly seeded, please let me know.

Group I
Lotus, Ferrari, BRM, Honda, BT11, Cooper, BT7

GROUP 2
BRM, Honda, BT11, Ferrari, Cooper, BT7

GROUP 3
Honda, Cooper, BT7

GROUP 4
Cooper, BT7

GROUP 5
BT7

FULL TIME
DRIVERCHASSIS GROUP
Badblood1
Rotaxmax1253
il lupo mannaro2
blito5
NHance3
HappyAl2
Nigel Smith3
economia2
Hendy Nichols4
Screwcutter2
RogUK4
Roberto Vianna1
Pierre D1
carlospaz1
Phillipe GIRARD1
Giovani1
Leonardo1
Noguiera1

RESERVE
DRIVERCHASSIS GROUP
Miniblood2
JonnyBoy3
goldtop1
AuldenA2
Norbert2
BookieW1



Race List = iGOR
Server = UKGPL3
IP address = ping ukgpl3.dyndns.org
Race date = 24/04/2012
Time = no later then 9:00pm UK Time (30-60 mins practice, race starts at 9:30pm)
Track = Zandvoort (Papy)
Variant = 65F1
Damage Model = Int
Qualifying time = 30 minutes
Race length = 27 laps
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Qualifying may start before 9pm, if so, Reserve drivers should leave the server when 35 minutes of qualifying remains and only rejoin when 30 minutes of qualifying is left. This is to ensure that Full Time drivers get priority in joining.

Please restrict chat to pit messages if necessary, and this includes the end of the race, until all running drivers have completed the necessary laps.

The Novice races are run under Int Long rules and all incidents in the Lap 1 red zone will be moderated.


65 Patch: The 2.02 Release of the 65mod can and should be used. You need a working installation of the 65 mod to install the 2.02 Update. All the 65 Mod files can be found here (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Mods/1965)

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=340;theme=6)

Password: see above (#post_event_password)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Novices (65) - Zandvoort (1948-72) - May 8
Post by: BadBlood on May 03, 2012, 10:22:24 PM +0100
Right, c'mon, give me some tips on how to drive this baby - its HARD!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Novices (65) - Zandvoort (1948-72) - May 8
Post by: bernie on May 03, 2012, 10:27:52 PM +0100
Right, c'mon, give me some tips on how to drive this baby - its HARD!

keep away from the sandhills  ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Novices (65) - Zandvoort (1948-72) - May 8
Post by: Pierre D on May 04, 2012, 03:30:39 AM +0100
1965 and you're in Amsterdam, Paul. Don't smoke and drive !


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Novices (65) - Zandvoort (1948-72) - May 8
Post by: Cookie on May 04, 2012, 02:12:41 PM +0100
Paul in your post you have to race Mosport again...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Novices (65) - Zandvoort (1948-72) - May 8
Post by: BadBlood on May 04, 2012, 07:06:32 PM +0100
Thanks Cookie - I forgot to save it... same laps tho. Managed to get it right for the Inters. Now, what about those tips...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Novices (65) - Zandvoort (1948-72) - May 8
Post by: Johnny.P on May 04, 2012, 09:25:49 PM +0100
I too am struggling here and for what its worth Paul I think that there is only 1 racing line at Zandvoort- you've got to get in the groove man ;) Finding the rhythm at this flowing track I think is more important than aceing a setup.... that said I am finding it hard to breach 1.30


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Novices (65) - Zandvoort (1948-72) - May 8
Post by: blito on May 08, 2012, 07:39:21 PM +0100
Thats plenty quick enough for the novices Johnny...
I expect a race pace of 31.xx in my BT7.. maybe a low 30.xx in flying lap trim......


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Novices (65) - Zandvoort (1948-72) - May 8
Post by: BadBlood on May 08, 2012, 11:02:52 PM +0100
I was comfy 1:31 in training but in the race the handling was EVIL. Massive understeer and melted left front :(

some 1.5 secs down in the first sector alone...

ah well.

Well done to Hendy and commiserations to Norm - thought you might do it there for a mo. Great qually.

Enjoyed the season and looking forward to S23. Thoughts on the handicapping would be helpful.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Novices (65) - Zandvoort (1948-72) - May 8
Post by: dave curtis on May 08, 2012, 11:48:12 PM +0100
Well, that turned out to be a fun, but seeming hard-fought run through the dunes!

Had a couple of runs round here yesterday in 65's & was fairly happy with a high 1:32.    I found a good setup tip - take the excess fuel out;  32laps-worth was plenty!

My Honda time was over 1 second slower, so that chassis lost out again  (although I was already aware of the extra gear - that came to light last time on about my 3rd lap of Mosport!).

Then I read the posts that seemed to mention 1:30 should be the target - hmmm, waaay off in that case!

Had an ok qually session, which still put me pretty much at the back.  There were a number of incidents so I inherited 4th before dropping it again in a couple of times.  At times we seemed to have a train going there;  although distance back to my carriage was growing a little each time round.   Ending up at 4th (subject to mod of course!)  was a welcome surprise.


I really am starting to like these here '65s.  Although I really did not seem to see much running off/expected novice behaviour out there...!  Maybe half the field will be invited to move up somewhere next season?! ;)

Anyway,  thanks all for an enjoyable run these last couple of events. 

Congrats to the podium & the champion!

Cheers,
Dave.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Novices (65) - Zandvoort (1948-72) - May 8
Post by: happyal on May 09, 2012, 08:36:21 AM +0100
Congrats to Jason on the race win, massive congrats to Hendy on the championship win, and also congrats to Norm on a well fought season, and of course to the rest of us :)

My lack of practice for this race show up quite quickly as I was no where near the front. I really struggled to get a clean lap in qualifying, not really traffic, more like problems of my own making. I finally got a half decent time, so I went to my race setup to get myself ready. I was surprised to find that I was much quicker with race fuel onboard, and managed to beat my pervious qualifying time by half a second.

As the race started, I knew that if I pushed my tyres quickly over heated, so I generally brought everything up to temperature, while being quite careful around the first few laps. I was just about in touch with the leaders, and somehow inherited 3rd place. R Venn was all over the back of me, and a little quicker than me at this point in the race, he touched the back of me just after the hairpin, which meant I needed to reset. After I did my stop and go I was pretty much last. Badblood was a little in front, and we had a little battle for a lap or two, until I managed to make a pass stick, but after that I was all over the place.

I was chasing down R Venn, and catching him very slowly. I started to push as I was making slow progress, and no one else was around me, but then a series of mistakes cost me quite a bit of time. At this point I felt I was a bout to be lapped, and decided it was safer for everyone if I just quit, as I really didn’t want to make any silly mistakes that cost anyone else there race.

Thank you for the season, it was a lot of fun, and I’ve very happy that I finally managed to win a race. I’m looking forward to next season already.

Congrats again to all who took part.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Novices (65) - Zandvoort (1948-72) - May 8
Post by: blito on May 09, 2012, 08:54:35 AM +0100
What an exciting race! I was pleased with my qually time and 5th on the grid was a good as could be hoped for in the Vespa Engined Bathtub that is the BT7. In pre-race chat there was some suggestion that the BT7 would be the car to have through the twists and turns of Zandvoort but actually you couldnt be further than the truth - of the 16 corners at Zandvoort, 8 are taken flat out and most of the others are not really much of a challenge.  Where the BT7 excells is traction in the 3 really slow bends at the start of the lap.
The start was awesome! 5th became 3rd on the run into T1 and I immediately started to think about making that into 2nd, or even first! The 3 abreast move into Tarzan on lap 2 was not a success however and my trip across the grass relegated me waaaaaaay down the order.  A couple of passes later and one almighty shunt for 3 cars ahead and I'm back in 2nd place and hunting down Normski's Honda, and what followed made me whoop for Joy - I passed Norm around the OUTSIDE of Tarzan!!!! I Immediately pulled out about a 4 second lead then settled in for the cruise to the flag, although Hendys late race push in second place kept me awake!
As always, the few backmarkers I had to lap were very professional and curteous.
One thing to note - my 3rd victory of the season was won in very much the same fashion as the other two - IE, adequate in qualifying, blindingly fast on cold tyres and full tanks then cruise to the finish! My fastest race lap was only 6th best last night!
Congrats to Hendy for becoming Our Champion... Up to inters next season for you my lad :D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Novices (65) - Zandvoort (1948-72) - May 8
Post by: Ross Neilson on May 09, 2012, 09:27:17 AM +0100
I passed Norm around the OUTSIDE of Tarzan!!!!

Nice work Jason, I recall Mario Andretti trying that on James Hunt and getting run off the road. Hunt's explanation was "We don't pass on the outside in Grand Prix racing". :D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Novices (65) - Zandvoort (1948-72) - May 8
Post by: HendyNichols on May 09, 2012, 10:03:51 AM +0100
I was surprised to find that I was much quicker with race fuel onboard, and managed to beat my pervious qualifying time by half a second.

I noticed this too, it seemed like there was more stability and traction.

Some contact early in the race on T1 put me in 12th, every time I was about to get back on the track another car 'appeared' on the straight very close to the camera and I had to wait.

This track is easy to drive at a medium pace, but trying to push is very treacherous on the outsides of those high speed corners. A couple times during the race I came inches from what would have been a very bad wreck and the end of the race for me.

It was great racing with you all this season. Maybe I will be seeing some of you in the Ints? ;)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Novices (65) - Zandvoort (1948-72) - May 8
Post by: BadBlood on May 09, 2012, 11:02:16 AM +0100
Maybe I will be seeing some of you in the Ints? ;)

Nope  ;D

I should have said that I hope you have enjoyed the season. It has been a pleasure to race with you all and you can start preparing for Monaco, Monza, Silverstone, Spa, Reims, Rouen, East London, Clermont-Ferrand and two others tba.

Send me any feedback, good or bad, either on the forums or by PM.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Novices (65) - Zandvoort (1948-72) - May 8
Post by: blito on May 09, 2012, 11:05:55 AM +0100
Maybe I will be seeing some of you in the Ints? ;)

Nope  ;D

I should have said that I hope you have enjoyed the season. It has been a pleasure to race with you all and you can start preparing for Monaco, Monza, Silverstone, Spa, Reims, Rouen, East London, Clermont-Ferrand and two others tba.

Send me any feedback, good or bad, either on the forums or by PM.


Oh for gods sake - anyone handicapped with a BT7 is gonna get left for dead on most of those tracks - only at Monaco and Clermont will the group 5 boys stand a chance of finishing on the lead lap!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Novices (65) - Zandvoort (1948-72) - May 8
Post by: BadBlood on May 09, 2012, 11:28:56 AM +0100
Those tracks are not set in stone yet and we haven't told you what the handicap is yet and you ought to be in the Inters anyway...

The other two or three tracks will be BT7 friendly but the Papy tracks are self selecting on a rotation basis, although one of Monza, Silverstone and Spa will probably go as they are all power tracks, East London and Clermont are part of the 65 standard and I like Reims  ;)

In any case, I wouldn't underestimate the BT7 in your hands at ANY track...

If it was down to my personal preference it would be Round 1, Reims, Round 2, Reims, Round 3...  ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Novices (65) - Zandvoort (1948-72) - May 8
Post by: blito on May 09, 2012, 11:34:12 AM +0100
Thanks for your vote of confidence but I would like to point out that I was only just on the pace at all the events this season! At no point was I the man to beat and I scored my 3 wins by canny racecraft rather than pure speed!  I would be a looooong way down the running order in inters.....


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Novices (65) - Zandvoort (1948-72) - May 8
Post by: BadBlood on May 09, 2012, 11:42:09 AM +0100
Not in a Lotus....  ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Novices (65) - Zandvoort (1948-72) - May 8
Post by: Ronniepeterson on May 09, 2012, 01:46:29 PM +0100
Grats to Hendy, Norm and Rog the top dogs in the Novices this season  :clap: :clap: :clap:


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Novices (65) - Zandvoort (1948-72) - May 8
Post by: happyal on May 09, 2012, 01:52:27 PM +0100
you can start preparing for Monaco, Monza, Silverstone, Spa, Reims, Rouen, East London, Clermont-Ferrand and two others tba.

Send me any feedback, good or bad, either on the forums or by PM.

I like those tracks, very nice selection.

PS Can I have a Ferrari next season?


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Novices (65) - Zandvoort (1948-72) - May 8
Post by: NHance on May 09, 2012, 02:30:58 PM +0100
To paraphrase Rudyard Kipling's famous poem "If". "If you can keep your Honda whilst all around you are losing their's then you'll be a" ...... championship runner up my son. Well done Hendy the best man won needing only 8 races & a Cooper & to Roguk once again very consistant in a Cooper. Grats too to Cookie in the inters & Al Heller Pro champ. I can remember when Al H won novices - thats how long I've been trying. Am I staying in Novices - don't think so. I've been trying since season 16 race 8  & this is my best finish yet. Need a new wheel though.

Its been a good season for me with 8 poles, I don't count Mexico as Hendy was faster before the system crashed. Inability to keep concentration or just the jitters has been my downfall far too often & its doubtfull if that will change. Got my first win as well & so did HappyAl who has been trying even longer than me ;D. You don't lose or win the championship at the last race you do it over the whole season & I've had three 7th places. Not good enough.

Well Done Jason Hendy & Giovani at Zandfoort. Last night's race was typical of my season. One mistake, others pass, I get rattled & make more mistakes. Incidentally to pass on the outside of turn one its worth pointing out you need more than driving skill. You need the co-operation of the bod on the inside not to run you out onto the grass ;).

Thanks everyone who makes UKGPL function.

Norm H


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Novices (65) - Zandvoort (1948-72) - May 8
Post by: blito on May 09, 2012, 03:12:54 PM +0100
Incidentally to pass on the outside of turn one its worth pointing out you need more than driving skill. You need the co-operation of the bod on the inside not to run you out onto the grass ;).


Which is exactly what I would have done!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Novices (65) - Zandvoort (1948-72) - May 8
Post by: bernie on May 09, 2012, 04:06:13 PM +0100
I passed Norm around the OUTSIDE of Tarzan!!!!

Nice work Jason, I recall Mario Andretti trying that on James Hunt and getting run off the road. Hunt's explanation was "We don't pass on the outside in Grand Prix racing". :D


Except it was Hunt who ran around the outside of Andretti  :o


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Novices (65) - Zandvoort (1948-72) - May 8
Post by: Ross Neilson on May 09, 2012, 04:15:57 PM +0100
I passed Norm around the OUTSIDE of Tarzan!!!!

Nice work Jason, I recall Mario Andretti trying that on James Hunt and getting run off the road. Hunt's explanation was "We don't pass on the outside in Grand Prix racing". :D


Except it was Hunt who ran around the outside of Andretti  :o

You sure Bernie? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNg6IvrIHbk


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Novices (65) - Zandvoort (1948-72) - May 8
Post by: Johnny.P on May 09, 2012, 06:15:56 PM +0100
I didn't fair well here, qualifying 3rd I started ok and was 2nd after a few laps and with a full tank my car seemed easier to drive than al's in front and I was sure I could find an opportunity somewhere but running wide at turn 1 let almost the entire field through. I pushed to close the gap which was reducing but 2 engine failures took their toll- maybe my gearing needs looking at :-/. Congratulations to hendy and the others on the podium. It's been a great season and I'm looking forward to the next one.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Novices (65) - Zandvoort (1948-72) - May 8
Post by: roguk on May 14, 2012, 11:02:02 AM +0100
Ive never liked Zandy, just cannot get it to flow like other drivers, but i enjoyed this race had some good clean racing and the coop handled well. Grats to Hendy winning the championship and Grats to NHance runner up also Grats to Zandy podium.
Grats Al Heller 65 pro champ
Grats Cookie   65 ints champ
 Next season will prob be put in Ints only prob there is my lack of spare time for praccy love GPL but family and work come first.
 Thanks to all the guys who run this site and the races which make it a pleasure to race and be part of.



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Novices (65) - Zandvoort (1948-72) - May 8
Post by: BadBlood on May 14, 2012, 05:35:54 PM +0100
If you fancy a crack at the Ints Rog you would be welcome to BUT you will not be forced...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Novices (65) - Zandvoort (1948-72) - May 8
Post by: bernie on May 15, 2012, 07:58:37 PM +0100
I passed Norm around the OUTSIDE of Tarzan!!!!

Nice work Jason, I recall Mario Andretti trying that on James Hunt and getting run off the road. Hunt's explanation was "We don't pass on the outside in Grand Prix racing". :D


Except it was Hunt who ran around the outside of Andretti  :o

You sure Bernie? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNg6IvrIHbk

Well you could have knocked me over with a burnt kipper  :D

What a great find !

I never saw that race , only read the report in "aughtosport" and remembered the incident,  yet somehow was stuck in my braincells the memory that Hunt had done one on Andretti  ::)

bit vague on this tbh so long ago  :-\

As you can tell I wouldn't be much cop on mastermind  ;D



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Novices (65) - Zandvoort (1948-72) - May 8
Post by: Pierre D on May 16, 2012, 10:54:21 PM +0100
It's been an interesting experience for me. I realize now that yes a mod may be easier than another but at the end, the difference between drivers remain the same.  It may even increase actually because good drivers do not have problems switching from one mod to another when I need time to adjust when I switch.
Badblood has been my reference in that championship . I was disqualified at the very first race and I deserved it 100% but, ironically, the points I lost there allowed Paul to beat me at the finish.

It's been a pleasure being on the same grids as you guys. Keep going .

Pierre


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Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 (2011-2012) Novices (65) - Zandvoort (1948-72) - May 8
Post by: BadBlood on May 17, 2012, 08:57:16 PM +0100
Been fun racing with you Pierre - look forward to locking wheels in S23