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Title: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: Ross Neilson on May 25, 2012, 10:07:36 AM +0100
Montjuich Park is a possible track for next season's Works and Privateers series. However some leagues have had problems running it in the past, either with disco's or the graphics being too intensive for some drivers' PCs. Some work has been done since then to solve these issues so I'm running this race as a test.

The track can be downloaded here http://montjuich.speedgeezers.net/download.html. PLEASE NOTE there are four different versions, unless you have a powerful PC I strongly suggest you install the LITE version. Guidance from SRMZ says "The STANDARD version should work on systems with a CPU higher than 3Ghz and a medium range graphics card with 256Mb of RAM. If your system has a lower spec than above, we recommend using the LITE version."

If you are still experiencing problems then some drivers have found turning off crowd and trees helps the most, whereas lowering the resolution does not. But you may have to experiment to find something that works best for you.

In any case this is one of the most beautiful and challenging tracks that GPL has to offer, so please join us for this event.

Race listiGOR
ServerUKGPL_T72
IP address62.149.202.168
Date03-06-2012
Race timeRace starts at 21:30 UK time
Qualifying timeBetween 30 and 60 minutes, starting no later than 21:00 UK time
TrackMontjuich Park (http://montjuich.speedgeezers.net/download.html)
Mod67
Damage modelINT
Race length34 laps
ReplayAvailable here (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/replays/Archive/Season22/S22Fun_2012_06_03_Montjuich.zip)

A lap in the 1967 Cooper can be seen here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhyaY_-N8ks


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: bernie on May 28, 2012, 10:48:59 PM +0100
Here you can see what a marvelous track this was , for both drivers and spectators  :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx7gk0H05nM&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx7gk0H05nM&feature=related)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: Ross Neilson on May 29, 2012, 09:25:41 AM +0100
Bernie have you had any problems with this track in offline practice? It's been OK for me so far.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on May 29, 2012, 10:37:44 AM +0100
Ross,
I tried out the track off line. There was a drop in frame rates at one point but nothing major.
Might be me but there doesn't seem to be the usual level of grip & the car slides more than normal.
Best lap is a 1.40 which feels slow.
Ignoring my lack of skill - its a great track.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: Ross Neilson on May 29, 2012, 11:28:50 AM +0100
Thanks Billy, sounds like you've been getting on OK, which version did you install?


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: maddog on May 29, 2012, 01:53:41 PM +0100
I've run with a half dozen cars online, using the 69x and the Lite version of the track.  It should be worth a try.  :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: bernie on May 29, 2012, 03:16:15 PM +0100
Bernie have you had any problems with this track in offline practice? It's been OK for me so far.

None whatsoever , except from driving it that is , its tricky to drive , some parts look faster than they really are , due I think to gradients and cambers being negative in places . What a buzz it must have been in RL  ;)



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: EvilClive on June 01, 2012, 08:15:37 AM +0100
Wow!!     :o     downloaded this track and tried it last night for the first time.

A street circuit with serious attitude and very low grip..especially in the braking areas lol. Either that or the barriers are mobile and rush out at passing cars!!

I have watched 69 cars lapping here, but 67's are a different proposition altogether. This should be interesting.

BTW although I only did about 10 laps, I had no probs off line.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: Ross Neilson on June 01, 2012, 09:16:09 AM +0100
Thanks for the feedback chaps looks promising so far but the real test will be Sunday. Hoping for a decent grid to give this a proper workout.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: natan5 on June 02, 2012, 12:20:37 PM +0100
I raced several times online in few leagues  in this circuit and we had massive doscos or freezes all the time !
Its great track but online its a mess !!!!
Natan


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: john roberts on June 02, 2012, 07:22:03 PM +0100
after the first release of this track there were patches made that (hopefully) fixed those problems .

john


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: bernie on June 02, 2012, 08:22:58 PM +0100
Dont use the high res version , thats just asking for trouble  ???


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: EvilClive on June 03, 2012, 01:33:52 PM +0100
I had 30mins free time allocated by the boss so I thought I would do a few laps around this new track before tonight's race.  Hmmm, so what is a good lap time?? I know, I will look at the GPLRank fastest lap times database for 67 F1 cars  around Montjuich ....simples    ;D


1:22!!!!!!!!!! and the Honda is faster than the Lotus????!!   you cannot be serious!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :hang:


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: Al Heller on June 03, 2012, 05:45:20 PM +0100
I had 30mins free time allocated by the boss so I thought I would do a few laps around this new track before tonight's race.  Hmmm, so what is a good lap time?? I know, I will look at the GPLRank fastest lap times database for 67 F1 cars  around Montjuich ....simples    ;D


1:22!!!!!!!!!! and the Honda is faster than the Lotus????!!   you cannot be serious!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :hang:

There's something fishy about that chap's WR times Clive... the 2nd best/nearest times are 8-10 seconds slower for every chassis. So I imagine a piffling 1:30 would be perfectly acceptable :hammer:


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: BadBlood on June 03, 2012, 06:14:27 PM +0100
1.30 - you cannot be serious!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :hang:

 ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: NickyIckx on June 03, 2012, 07:47:06 PM +0100
 :D after short practise I could do 1-37-xx with an Eagle ; so I better stay away from tonights race .
would just been a brakemarker then a driver moving his car  ;)

 :P woooow these sound of 67 Eagle is breathtaking , real big fun . endless power , even in 5th gear I could hot spin the rear tyres


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: EvilClive on June 03, 2012, 07:51:00 PM +0100
I had 30mins free time allocated by the boss so I thought I would do a few laps around this new track before tonight's race.  Hmmm, so what is a good lap time?? I know, I will look at the GPLRank fastest lap times database for 67 F1 cars  around Montjuich ....simples    ;D


1:22!!!!!!!!!! and the Honda is faster than the Lotus????!!   you cannot be serious!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :hang:

There's something fishy about that chap's WR times Clive... the 2nd best/nearest times are 8-10 seconds slower for every chassis. So I imagine a piffling 1:30 would be perfectly acceptable :hammer:

!:30??!!!  that is still in fantasy land for me at the moment. Nicky's time of 1:37 sounds more realistic!! lol


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: robert john on June 03, 2012, 08:06:22 PM +0100
As far as Urban's times, those have to be 69 Mod times that somehow found their way into the 67 slots. He is blindingly fast I can attest. I've been lapped by him enough to know, though that's not saying much now that I think about it.    :D

I tried a few laps and my best so far was a 1:36.xx in the Brabham. Most laps ended in tears before long. The Ferrari felt more skittish and the Honda felt like a huge sedan on bald tires.  I was going to give this race a go but I'm paranoid about my car control. 67's around Montjuic are a beast!

You may not be as far off as you think Nicky    ;)

Peace

RJ


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: BadBlood on June 03, 2012, 08:17:53 PM +0100
My local lap record is 1:23 which is an AI time but I am only twenty seconds off that now...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: dave curtis on June 03, 2012, 09:14:10 PM +0100
Apparently I have the track & not that I remember ever being there,  managed to (presumably bounce) round just under 1:43. 

As a result,  I'll turn up to bolster the numbers as it's a fun/test run.  Hopefully I'll make it to at least lap3 before the field rushes up from behind...

Cheers,
Dave. 


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: Al Heller on June 03, 2012, 10:01:12 PM +0100
Got pole in the Coop :)
Too much wheelspin off the start dropped me to 3rd :(
Got rearended at T1 :-\

Apologies to all those that got blocked behind my sideways car - I wasn't sure whether to stay still or move as we all seemed to be squashed together like sardines.
After the T1 incident my race rhythm was rather shot. Still, was quite enjoying racing in midfield but then I managed to clout Ronnie - very sorry Ronnie - hope you were able to continue. Spun out shortly after & lost a wheel & decided it wasn't my night. 


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: BadBlood on June 03, 2012, 10:24:48 PM +0100
It wasn't ;)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: Ronniepeterson on June 03, 2012, 10:25:18 PM +0100
Start was interesting, just managed to avoid a stationary Tim even though the flag dropped several days ago! Some might disagree but I really like the challenge of this track. No problems Al with the contact, an occupational hazard at a track like this. Opted out with around seven laps to go with a blown engine. Great track and no problems with connection, fps, etc. Hope we use it.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: Ross Neilson on June 03, 2012, 10:45:52 PM +0100
A big thanks to everyone for taking part this evening to give the track a good test run. Initial feedback after the race was positive but please post here if you had any problems such as loss of fps or disco.

Results were as follows.

Code:
Track: Montjuic             Sun Jun 03 22:40:38 2012

PRACTICE TIMES

Pos No Driver                           Team     Nat      Time      Diff Laps
 1  16 Al Heller67                      Cooper   GBR 1m35.038s             26
 2   7 Sam Blood                        Eagle    GBR 1m35.128s   00.090s    7
 3  14 65 evilclive                     Honda    GBR 1m35.218s   00.180s   21
 4  15 Tim Muttram                      Eagle    GBR 1m35.906s   00.868s   11
 5  13 robert john                      Brabham  USA 1m35.927s   00.889s   15
 6  18 Ronnie Peterson                  BRM      ITA 1m36.924s   01.886s   19
 7  11 Bernie Darwin                    Brabham  GBR 1m36.992s   01.954s   19
 8  19 Fabio Locarno                    Ferrari  ITA 1m37.149s   02.111s   19
 9   9 Skymole 2173                     Cooper   USA 1m37.778s   02.740s   14
10  20 Ross Neilson                     Ferrari  GBR 1m37.936s   02.898s   14
11  17 John Roberts                     Brabham  GBR 1m38.116s   03.078s   11
12   6 Billy Nobrakes67                 Brabham  GBR 1m38.226s   03.188s   11
13   8 Martin Hunt                      Lotus    USA 1m38.376s   03.338s    9
14   3 Marco Casadei                    Lotus    ITA 1m40.470s   05.432s    5
15  12 Marco Casadei                    Ferrari  ITA 1m42.317s   07.279s    5
16  10 J. JonnyO                        Cooper   BRA 1m43.097s   08.059s    5
17   5 Dave Curtis                      Eagle    GBR 1m43.972s   08.934s    5
18   4 2 UKGPL_T7                       Ferrari  ITA   No time   No time    0

All times are official
Generated with GPL Replay Analyser


Track: Montjuic             Sun Jun 03 22:40:38 2012

RACE RESULTS (After 34 laps)

Pos No Driver                          Team     Nat Laps   Race Time       Diff    Problem
 1   7 Sam Blood                       Eagle    GBR   34  54m33.445s           
 2  15 Tim Muttram                     Eagle    GBR   34  54m39.460s    06.015s
 3  13 robert john                     Brabham  USA   34  54m56.945s    23.500s
 4  14 65 evilclive                    Honda    GBR   34  55m12.798s    39.353s
 5   8 Martin Hunt                     Lotus    USA   34  55m38.291s  1m04.846s
 6  17 John Roberts                    Brabham  GBR   34  56m01.120s  1m27.675s
 7  11 Bernie Darwin                   Brabham  GBR   33  55m00.491s   1 lap(s)
 8   6 Billy Nobrakes67                Brabham  GBR   32  54m35.135s   2 lap(s)
 9   5 Dave Curtis                     Eagle    GBR   32  55m59.269s   2 lap(s)
10  20 Ross Neilson                    Ferrari  GBR   32  56m11.520s   2 lap(s)
11  18 Ronnie Peterson                 BRM      ITA   26  43m38.272s   8 lap(s)
12   9 Skymole 2173                    Cooper   USA   13  22m47.949s  21 lap(s)
13  10 J. JonnyO                       Cooper   BRA    6  11m07.139s  28 lap(s)
14  16 Al Heller67                     Cooper   GBR    5   9m05.744s  29 lap(s)
15  19 Fabio Locarno                   Ferrari  ITA    4   7m09.190s  30 lap(s)
16   3 Marco Casadei                   Lotus    ITA    3   5m30.156s  31 lap(s)
17  12 Marco Casadei                   Ferrari  ITA    0 DidNotStart  34 lap(s)
18   4 2 UKGPL_T7                      Ferrari  ITA    0 DidNotStart  34 lap(s)


Race results are unofficial
(Replay might have been saved before end of race)

RACE FASTEST LAPS

Pos Driver                                 Time Lap
 1  Tim Muttram                       1m33.593s  32
 2  Sam Blood                         1m34.135s  33
 3  robert john                       1m35.035s  31
 4  65 evilclive                      1m35.124s  13
 5  Martin Hunt                       1m35.226s  33
 6  John Roberts                      1m36.228s  28
 7  Bernie Darwin                     1m36.823s  22
 8  Ronnie Peterson                   1m36.937s  26
 9  Ross Neilson                      1m37.416s  17
10  Al Heller67                       1m37.966s   2
11  Billy Nobrakes67                  1m38.527s  31
12  Marco Casadei                     1m39.081s   2
13  Skymole 2173                      1m39.268s  11
14  Fabio Locarno                     1m39.970s   4
15  Dave Curtis                       1m40.279s  27
16  J. JonnyO                         1m43.041s   4
17  2 UKGPL_T7                          No time
18  Marco Casadei                       No time


LEADERS

Driver                           Laps
65 evilclive                     1-4
Sam Blood                        5-7
65 evilclive                     8-14
Sam Blood                        15-34

Number of lead changes: 3
Number of leaders: 2


LAPS LED

Driver                           Laps led
Sam Blood                        23
65 evilclive                     11


HIGHEST CLIMBER

Driver                           Start Finish  Change
Martin Hunt                         13      5       8 
Dave Curtis                         17      9       8 
John Roberts                        11      6       5 
Billy Nobrakes67                    12      8       4 
J. JonnyO                           16     13       3 
Tim Muttram                          4      2       2 
robert john                          5      3       2 
Sam Blood                            2      1       1 
2 UKGPL_T7                          18     18       0 
Ross Neilson                        10     10       0 
Bernie Darwin                        7      7       0 
65 evilclive                         3      4      -1 
Marco Casadei                       15     17      -2 
Marco Casadei                       14     16      -2 
Skymole 2173                         9     12      -3 
Ronnie Peterson                      6     11      -5 
Fabio Locarno                        8     15      -7 
Al Heller67                          1     14     -13 


ON TRACK LAPS

Driver                           Laps/Total    Percent
John Roberts                        (34/34)     100.00
Sam Blood                           (34/34)     100.00
Martin Hunt                         (34/34)     100.00
65 evilclive                        (33/34)      97.06
Tim Muttram                         (33/34)      97.06
robert john                         (33/34)      97.06
Bernie Darwin                       (33/33)     100.00
Billy Nobrakes67                    (31/32)      96.88
Ross Neilson                        (31/32)      96.88
Dave Curtis                         (30/32)      93.75
Ronnie Peterson                     (25/26)      96.15
Skymole 2173                        (12/13)      92.31
J. JonnyO                             (5/6)      83.33
Al Heller67                           (5/5)     100.00
Marco Casadei                         (3/3)     100.00
Fabio Locarno                         (3/4)      75.00


RACE LAPTIME CONSISTENCY
(first lap excluded)

Driver                    Avg Deviation  Std Deviation  Avg Laptime   Laps
robert john                       1.147          2.092    1m36.593s     34
Sam Blood                         1.202          1.870    1m36.060s     34
65 evilclive                      1.239          1.836    1m37.273s     34
Martin Hunt                       1.299          1.736    1m37.738s     34
Marco Casadei                     1.410          1.410    1m40.491s      3
John Roberts                      1.600          2.311    1m38.438s     34
Tim Muttram                       1.826          3.071    1m35.946s     34
Billy Nobrakes67                  1.854          2.952    1m41.443s     32
Ronnie Peterson                   2.086          3.034    1m40.060s     26
Bernie Darwin                     2.345          2.937    1m39.773s     33
Dave Curtis                       2.417          2.892    1m43.878s     32
J. JonnyO                         3.197          4.039    1m45.761s      6
Skymole 2173                      3.694          4.607    1m42.562s     13
Al Heller67                       6.359          7.420    1m43.712s      5
Ross Neilson                      7.108          9.350    1m44.969s     32
Fabio Locarno                     7.655          8.163    1m46.738s      4


All times are unofficial
(Replay might have been saved before end of race)

Generated with GPL Replay Analyser


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: FullMetalGasket on June 03, 2012, 10:54:43 PM +0100
REALLY enjoyed that  8)

Didn't manage to get any practice in prior to joining the lobby so was very happy with 4th on the grid - not so happy that missed the flag while adjusting my wonky chair  ::) Sorry to Ronnie and anyone else who got affected  :-[

From there on it was a challenge to adjust to some last minute setup changes while trying to make up lost ground, this eventually resulted in my rear ending Bernie on one of the hairpins early in the lap - sorry Bernie although I don't think it affected you much based on how far up the road you were when I eventually caught back up  ;)

After sucessfully passing Bernie I settled in and managed to start eating away at the leaders while occaisionally entering the first hairpin backwards when carrying too much speed over the brow...
Eventually Clive helped me past by parking in some armco putting me upto 3rd, Robert J then lost it and performed a lovelly piruoette into the first hairpin (8 out of 10, entry could have been smoother ;) ) handing me second so I could concentrate on pulling in Sam who was some 16 seconds ahead acording to my pitboard. I didn't have quite enough speed to catch him by the end though so had to settle for mearly being able to see him as we finished.
Had there been just 1 or 2 laps more it could have got interesting though  ;D

Well done to everyone who made it, connection was rock solild here, very little warp considering the type of circuit too  :angel:


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: dave curtis on June 03, 2012, 10:58:58 PM +0100
Lummy, the trip from the back was not really filled with as much fun as I was expecting!

The entire drive seemed laggy somehow;  even when running at 35-36 FPS. It seemed much lower.   Did notice it was about 30FPS a couple of times round that 1st right-hander with the handy layby/run off/parking area.   Maybe I have the hi-res version installed or something;  but normally do not have any issues at all with lag.

The pile-up after the start just had cars warping in/out;  in that log-jam,  was edging forward into clear spaces & bam! - cars appearing in there already.

There was defo something wrong with my tyres.  I reckon they were half-filled with butter,  with the rest smeared on the outside!  There again, with a random setup selected - maybe it was sand from the Zandy dunes...


Still, not all bad - at least I out-qualified the UKGPL server...   Got a PB during the 'race'  so not all bad there either.   Kinda enjoyable once I had an idea which way the next way the next corner was likely to go.

ok, maybe not the most community-aware way to run a personal test session;  but I clearly need all the time here as I can get.

Plenty of opportunities to practice being lapped - I think there was an improvement there at least.


Cheers for the run.  To the guys which this applies to - enjoy the rest of the long weekend!


Dave.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: s2173 on June 03, 2012, 11:22:37 PM +0100
I dont see whats the fuss all about... the track isnt particulary great looking or fun to drive, more like below average...  Clermont, st. Jovite or Pau are both more challenging and more beautiful...and they work right for a change... Installed the light version and tried turning off every tickbox in gpl, but still had 22 fps at places (and it felt like 15). So I guess the reason is not the textures, but some objects placed on wrong places or something... even on monaco rocks i get minimum 30fps, and it feels driveable unlike montjuic... Driving on it is frankly a torture, no matter what car or mod... And about racing...well, that t1 pileup says all about it imo - we were stuck for about half a minute...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: robert john on June 03, 2012, 11:33:35 PM +0100
Grats Sam and Tim

I am the responsible party for the 1st lap disaster.   :-[     Braking and entering the hairpin I felt under control and thought I was leaving plenty of room.  I thought wrong.  As I turned in it was almost as if the Cooper backed up into me but that was just a visual trick on the eyes.  

Terribly sorry Al.  I pride myself on not biffing folks up the backside so this is hard for me to swallow.  Not the way I wanted to be introduced to the UKGPL.  

Frame rate wasn't that good but driveable. On a couple of occasions dropped extremely low for a second or two.  

Peace

RJ


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: bernie on June 03, 2012, 11:38:50 PM +0100
really enjoyed the race , the connection was good and fr was a solid 36 even after the start when all cars were bunched ( though I didnt pay much attention to the fr after that for some reason   :)  )

enjoyed some close racing along the way to being lapped , the usual problem being a new track was finding the braking distances and best line through the many bends ( are there any straights here ) its the sort of track that lets you grow in confidence then bites you back for trying to be too smug

Got to say that I loved it for another reason as I was there in person to see the last F1 race to be held at Mont Juich track after the safety brigade decided it was to dangerous for the modern breed of racers .   great shame because spectator wise the close up sight of grand prix cars was fantastic  

Quite a relief to find the track wasn't the disco fest that some had predicted  ;)

looking forward to racing here again , I think this track was built for for the 65's or F2 mod  :)



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: Al Heller on June 04, 2012, 08:44:41 AM +0100
Grats Sam and Tim

I am the responsible party for the 1st lap disaster.   :-[     Braking and entering the hairpin I felt under control and thought I was leaving plenty of room.  I thought wrong.  As I turned in it was almost as if the Cooper backed up into me but that was just a visual trick on the eyes.  

Terribly sorry Al.  I pride myself on not biffing folks up the backside so this is hard for me to swallow.  Not the way I wanted to be introduced to the UKGPL.  

Frame rate wasn't that good but driveable. On a couple of occasions dropped extremely low for a second or two.  

Peace

RJ

No problems Robert - Clive & Sam had both run pretty deep into T1 & looked like they might touch, so I was pulling up a little sharply in order to try & take the inside line. It was only the lightest of touches from your car but of course GPL's collision rendering did the rest... Anyway I can hardly start pontificating as I managed to plough into the back of Ronnie later on :-[ Still, I guess it's better that all this happens in the fun races.



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: s2173 on June 04, 2012, 10:07:37 AM +0100
Still, I guess it's better that all this happens in the fun races.

Oh yeah?  :o  ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: EvilClive on June 04, 2012, 10:13:47 AM +0100
Great circuit from my point of view, although it seemed to stress my computer's graphics ability at times despite having a 1 Gb card. ( the 2.8 processor might be the week link here). I was fortunate to be leading on the 1st lap and therefore was not asking my graphics package to process a load of cars in close proximity, so I never  saw what effect that might have on frame rates.

I used the "lite" version, but still found it necessary to turn down the graphics slider and reduce the number of trackside objects to avoid serious frame rate issues. I do wonder what sort of hardware one would need to run the "hi res" version.???

Other than that, no probs with the track other than the unforgiving armco barriers. I took one too many liberties and went from just "kissing" the armco to some serious "tongue action". The result was that the Honda suffered some serious issues at the front end about half distance and generated a super hot left front tyre, which made no sense given that almost all the corners are left handers!!! Plus, front tyre temps are a new experience that despite many years in GPL I have almost never suffer from, all my problems are with rear tyres and molten rubber.

Grats to Sam, Tim and Robert, I could not match their pace once the front wheels started falling off and anyway I was only ahead because I survived without incidents for longer than they did, so I cannot complain.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: bernie on June 04, 2012, 10:53:21 AM +0100
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Anyway I can hardly start pontificating as I managed to plough into the back of Ronnie later on 



I do hope Ronnie appologised for slowing your progress  ;D ;D ;D



Title: UKGPL Season 23 (2012) - Montjuich Park - Jun 3
Post by: Ross Neilson on June 04, 2012, 11:28:44 AM +0100
Dummy event to import the results of the Montjuich Park test race on 3rd June 2012. See here for details https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=10764.0


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: il_lupo_mannaro on June 04, 2012, 12:04:07 PM +0100
Even if I don't like street circuits this one is not so bad... for hotlaps alone!
Online races on such a circuit often became a mess, so IMHO Montjuic is not a good choice for season 23.
Anyway, no issues like freezes or CTD all along the qualify time and no FPS from the middle of the grid.
I quit the race only because of an accident.
Well done to everybody seen the checquered flag!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: maddog on June 04, 2012, 03:13:23 PM +0100
A look at everyone's practice times, told me my setup needed tweaking.  Early laps were exciting, with some rubbing of bodywork, but no blood shed.  After which, my race became a lonely one, and a battle with the tyres, more than with Armco.  But there's never a dull moment, on such a challenging track - it's rather like a high speed version of Monaco, and a place where there's no substitute for car control.  :angel:

This track has been ignored for too long.  I've a 'slow end' system, but despite starting near the back it ran well, and with no evidence of warping.  BTW, I hope everyone stopped on the short back straight, to admire the animated fountain?


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: robert john on June 04, 2012, 06:58:59 PM +0100
Again apologies to Al and all those caught up in the mess I created. The inside line at the hairpin was always going to be slower and I should have allowed Al more room to negotiate the turn. I was shocked when it happened and my initial thought was that Al had run in to a car ahead or something. I know this sounds selfish but I hate the feeling I have after being involved(causing) in an incident like that. I drive around the whole race wondering and brooding. Looking at the replay I'm trying to figure out what happened and where I can do better and I spot the number on my car. Number 13. Yesterday was not my lucky day. My oldest sons' apartment was broken in to and robbed. Bad enough as that is, I had allowed him to use a couple of my shotguns recently. Someone else is now the owner of them. One I've had since my early teens.    :'(

My initial laps at Montjuic in testing were followed by a "you have got to be kidding!"   Too slick, too unforgiving for a 67 I thought. When I tried the Brabham it was a bit better but still all over the place kissing the armco and sliding thru braking points. I joined the server with the escape option if I couldn't cope. The first couple of laps were not so bad I thought and boy was I surprised to see my time and standing to that point. Decided that race fuel was the better option for the remainder of practice. Saw lots of offs, crashes, spins, tank-slappers, etc...  and provided a few myself. One as Sam was waiting at the pit exit I touched the left side armco on the pit straight?  and shot to the inside giving the pit barrier a mighty whack!  Sitting in Sam's car it looks funny but from where I was at it was plum scary.    :eek: 

The race was interesting and almost fun forgetting lap 1. I managed to catch up Sam and Evil or they came back to me. After a spin by Sam I was between them. Following Evil up the hill on lap 10 I drifted wider than my usual and crested the "Hump" at a bad angle. The landing was bad and I smacked the inside barrier , riding it down to the haybales. While driving away I noticed my steering felt strange and the wheel was tilted several degrees to the right. From then on I had miserable understeer at the left hand corners. The right handers weren't a problem so I tried to adjust for this. Tim was gaining by the lap and I tried picking up my pace. The harder I drove the worse my front tires became so it was only a matter of time. I saw Evil ahead and was thinking he must be struggling as well. I can't remember where but I touched a barrier(many times during the race) and the steering felt a little better afterwards. Guess I bent the opposite side to compensate. With Tim bearing down on me I performed the 8 out of 10 he referred to. I think judges are a little generous these days so a 7.5 would be acceptable. The story of my life, a 7.5 out of 10.    ;D

Somehow soldierd on to the finish with a beaten and battered Brabham and bruised ego to boot. I tried guys.   :-\

I've changed my views on driving a 67 around here. It is slippery and unforgiving but hell the 67's are already that and more. Drifting through some of those turns with the threat of smacking the barrier if you get it wrong...    :scared:      Can't say it's boring.


Grats on the pole Al

Great fast lap Tim

Grats Sam for hanging on

Peace

RJ




Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: Samb on June 04, 2012, 07:03:17 PM +0100
Thoroughly enjoyed that. Having upgraded computers recently, I thought I'd try my luck with the Hires version of Montjuich. When I was lapping in practice, I had a nice steady frame rate but when the start began, I noticed a reasonable drop in fps, but nothing too severe to make it impossible to drive.

My race was relatively simple; I spent the first half battling Clive and Robert for the most part. By half distance I found myself in the lead and simply had to maintain a gap to the closing Tim, who had brilliant pace throughout the race. The Eagle was a pleasure to drive, despite my lead foot getting the better of me on occasion.

Still unsure on which series to sign up for, but I'll sign up for something eventually, for sure  :).


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on June 05, 2012, 01:23:50 AM +0100
Some feedback on the track.
Connection was solid - if there was a frame rate drop I didn't notice.
There are a few street circuits which I really dislike but can't complain about this one. The sweeping turns into the last 1/3 of the lap are awesome. Equally the run down to T1 is frightening. I was rather amazed to have completed the race with only one serious dispute with the armco.

My only reservation with running this track for UKGPL races is that you can almost predict a T1 pile up. Nevertheless, it gets my vote which means it will be used as the Spanish leg of the Formula 2 European Tour.



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: Ronniepeterson on June 05, 2012, 09:03:44 AM +0100
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Anyway I can hardly start pontificating as I managed to plough into the back of Ronnie later on  


I do hope Ronnie appologised for slowing your progress  ;D ;D ;D


How remiss of me and thanks for the reminder Bernie. Forgive me everyone but I have not apologised in the last five minutes so here I go, SORRY EVERYONE :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

On a serious note I used the hi res version of the track with all the detail at max in gpl and did not notice any slowdown in frame rate (Win7 OS, i7 2700k processor, GTX 580 1536mb graphics). One last comment on the track. For me, the exit from the final corner, over the start/finish line, over the hill, to the entry of the first corner is simply one of the best sections of any track I have driven on GPL and a mighty challenge to get right lap after lap.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: EvilClive on June 05, 2012, 10:57:04 AM +0100
I have to agree Ronnie, that section from the S/F line to T1 is an absolute sod to nail !! I don't think I have got it absolutely right even once to date.

Either, I drop a gear just as I crest that rise and try and brake in a straight line aiming at my turn in point and find that I arrive with time to spare or, I push just a little more and delay a gearchange by 10 mtrs and find myself heading into the bales on the outside of T1 in a very untidy fashion :-\

Also, from the cockpit I don't think T1 looks as sharp as it actually is and I find it is easy to get huge understeer if you hit it too fast.

The section up the hill to the start is almost an act of faith and it took me a long time and several "chicken out" laps before I gained the confidence ( and the right line) to keep the gas nailed as I went up through the gears to cross the S/F line flat in 5th.

Yes, this circuit offers a great challenge, just like Monaco....but different. ;)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: bernie on June 05, 2012, 11:12:54 PM +0100
is there a replay anywhere ?

forgot to save mine in all the excitement  :-[



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: BadBlood on June 05, 2012, 11:34:19 PM +0100
Results are available on this thread if anyone wants them https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=10799#event3266

I have merged the threads so Ross's Link doesn't work anymore...

Replay is here (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Replays/Archive/Season22/FunRaces/) and, yes, there are two versions - that is how hard your mods work... not so good at talking to each other though...  ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: FullMetalGasket on June 06, 2012, 04:59:56 PM +0100
Forgot to mention it earlier but I had no slow down at all here - even at the T1 pileup and later when I was working back up through the field  :)

But then if I do get slow down it's normally something going wrong in the background anyway  ;D

Tempted to stick together a quick video showing the 4 main methods of approach into T1  ;D I noticed Evil performed the 'forget to brake' option perfectly at one point in the race  :P


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: bernie on June 06, 2012, 10:17:46 PM +0100
Is it just me who has problems seeing through the Lotus windowscreen , I think the problem is worse at some tracks than others , Bathurst for e.g. I found was particularly bad  ???



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: EvilClive on June 07, 2012, 08:22:44 AM +0100

Tempted to stick together a quick video showing the 4 main methods of approach into T1  ;D I noticed Evil performed the 'forget to brake' option perfectly at one point in the race  :P

I was merely exploring the limits of tyre adhesion  ::)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd
Post by: maddog on June 07, 2012, 09:31:12 AM +0100
I was merely exploring my rear view driving ability! ;D