Title: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: Ross Neilson on May 25, 2012, 10:07:36 AM +0100 Montjuich Park is a possible track for next season's Works and Privateers series. However some leagues have had problems running it in the past, either with disco's or the graphics being too intensive for some drivers' PCs. Some work has been done since then to solve these issues so I'm running this race as a test.
The track can be downloaded here http://montjuich.speedgeezers.net/download.html. PLEASE NOTE there are four different versions, unless you have a powerful PC I strongly suggest you install the LITE version. Guidance from SRMZ says "The STANDARD version should work on systems with a CPU higher than 3Ghz and a medium range graphics card with 256Mb of RAM. If your system has a lower spec than above, we recommend using the LITE version." If you are still experiencing problems then some drivers have found turning off crowd and trees helps the most, whereas lowering the resolution does not. But you may have to experiment to find something that works best for you. In any case this is one of the most beautiful and challenging tracks that GPL has to offer, so please join us for this event.
A lap in the 1967 Cooper can be seen here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhyaY_-N8ks Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: bernie on May 28, 2012, 10:48:59 PM +0100 Here you can see what a marvelous track this was , for both drivers and spectators :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx7gk0H05nM&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx7gk0H05nM&feature=related) Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: Ross Neilson on May 29, 2012, 09:25:41 AM +0100 Bernie have you had any problems with this track in offline practice? It's been OK for me so far.
Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: Billy Nobrakes on May 29, 2012, 10:37:44 AM +0100 Ross,
I tried out the track off line. There was a drop in frame rates at one point but nothing major. Might be me but there doesn't seem to be the usual level of grip & the car slides more than normal. Best lap is a 1.40 which feels slow. Ignoring my lack of skill - its a great track. Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: Ross Neilson on May 29, 2012, 11:28:50 AM +0100 Thanks Billy, sounds like you've been getting on OK, which version did you install?
Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: maddog on May 29, 2012, 01:53:41 PM +0100 I've run with a half dozen cars online, using the 69x and the Lite version of the track. It should be worth a try. :)
Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: bernie on May 29, 2012, 03:16:15 PM +0100 Bernie have you had any problems with this track in offline practice? It's been OK for me so far. None whatsoever , except from driving it that is , its tricky to drive , some parts look faster than they really are , due I think to gradients and cambers being negative in places . What a buzz it must have been in RL ;) Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: EvilClive on June 01, 2012, 08:15:37 AM +0100 Wow!! :o downloaded this track and tried it last night for the first time.
A street circuit with serious attitude and very low grip..especially in the braking areas lol. Either that or the barriers are mobile and rush out at passing cars!! I have watched 69 cars lapping here, but 67's are a different proposition altogether. This should be interesting. BTW although I only did about 10 laps, I had no probs off line. Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: Ross Neilson on June 01, 2012, 09:16:09 AM +0100 Thanks for the feedback chaps looks promising so far but the real test will be Sunday. Hoping for a decent grid to give this a proper workout.
Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: natan5 on June 02, 2012, 12:20:37 PM +0100 I raced several times online in few leagues in this circuit and we had massive doscos or freezes all the time !
Its great track but online its a mess !!!! Natan Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: john roberts on June 02, 2012, 07:22:03 PM +0100 after the first release of this track there were patches made that (hopefully) fixed those problems .
john Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: bernie on June 02, 2012, 08:22:58 PM +0100 Dont use the high res version , thats just asking for trouble ???
Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: EvilClive on June 03, 2012, 01:33:52 PM +0100 I had 30mins free time allocated by the boss so I thought I would do a few laps around this new track before tonight's race. Hmmm, so what is a good lap time?? I know, I will look at the GPLRank fastest lap times database for 67 F1 cars around Montjuich ....simples ;D
1:22!!!!!!!!!! and the Honda is faster than the Lotus????!! you cannot be serious!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :hang: Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: Al Heller on June 03, 2012, 05:45:20 PM +0100 I had 30mins free time allocated by the boss so I thought I would do a few laps around this new track before tonight's race. Hmmm, so what is a good lap time?? I know, I will look at the GPLRank fastest lap times database for 67 F1 cars around Montjuich ....simples ;D 1:22!!!!!!!!!! and the Honda is faster than the Lotus????!! you cannot be serious!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :hang: There's something fishy about that chap's WR times Clive... the 2nd best/nearest times are 8-10 seconds slower for every chassis. So I imagine a piffling 1:30 would be perfectly acceptable :hammer: Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: BadBlood on June 03, 2012, 06:14:27 PM +0100 1.30 - you cannot be serious!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :hang:
;D Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: NickyIckx on June 03, 2012, 07:47:06 PM +0100 :D after short practise I could do 1-37-xx with an Eagle ; so I better stay away from tonights race .
would just been a brakemarker then a driver moving his car ;) :P woooow these sound of 67 Eagle is breathtaking , real big fun . endless power , even in 5th gear I could hot spin the rear tyres Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: EvilClive on June 03, 2012, 07:51:00 PM +0100 I had 30mins free time allocated by the boss so I thought I would do a few laps around this new track before tonight's race. Hmmm, so what is a good lap time?? I know, I will look at the GPLRank fastest lap times database for 67 F1 cars around Montjuich ....simples ;D 1:22!!!!!!!!!! and the Honda is faster than the Lotus????!! you cannot be serious!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :hang: There's something fishy about that chap's WR times Clive... the 2nd best/nearest times are 8-10 seconds slower for every chassis. So I imagine a piffling 1:30 would be perfectly acceptable :hammer: !:30??!!! that is still in fantasy land for me at the moment. Nicky's time of 1:37 sounds more realistic!! lol Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: robert john on June 03, 2012, 08:06:22 PM +0100 As far as Urban's times, those have to be 69 Mod times that somehow found their way into the 67 slots. He is blindingly fast I can attest. I've been lapped by him enough to know, though that's not saying much now that I think about it. :D
I tried a few laps and my best so far was a 1:36.xx in the Brabham. Most laps ended in tears before long. The Ferrari felt more skittish and the Honda felt like a huge sedan on bald tires. I was going to give this race a go but I'm paranoid about my car control. 67's around Montjuic are a beast! You may not be as far off as you think Nicky ;) Peace RJ Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: BadBlood on June 03, 2012, 08:17:53 PM +0100 My local lap record is 1:23 which is an AI time but I am only twenty seconds off that now...
Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: dave curtis on June 03, 2012, 09:14:10 PM +0100 Apparently I have the track & not that I remember ever being there, managed to (presumably bounce) round just under 1:43.
As a result, I'll turn up to bolster the numbers as it's a fun/test run. Hopefully I'll make it to at least lap3 before the field rushes up from behind... Cheers, Dave. Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: Al Heller on June 03, 2012, 10:01:12 PM +0100 Got pole in the Coop :)
Too much wheelspin off the start dropped me to 3rd :( Got rearended at T1 :-\ Apologies to all those that got blocked behind my sideways car - I wasn't sure whether to stay still or move as we all seemed to be squashed together like sardines. After the T1 incident my race rhythm was rather shot. Still, was quite enjoying racing in midfield but then I managed to clout Ronnie - very sorry Ronnie - hope you were able to continue. Spun out shortly after & lost a wheel & decided it wasn't my night. Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: BadBlood on June 03, 2012, 10:24:48 PM +0100 It wasn't ;)
Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: Ronniepeterson on June 03, 2012, 10:25:18 PM +0100 Start was interesting, just managed to avoid a stationary Tim even though the flag dropped several days ago! Some might disagree but I really like the challenge of this track. No problems Al with the contact, an occupational hazard at a track like this. Opted out with around seven laps to go with a blown engine. Great track and no problems with connection, fps, etc. Hope we use it.
Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: Ross Neilson on June 03, 2012, 10:45:52 PM +0100 A big thanks to everyone for taking part this evening to give the track a good test run. Initial feedback after the race was positive but please post here if you had any problems such as loss of fps or disco.
Results were as follows. Code: Track: Montjuic Sun Jun 03 22:40:38 2012 PRACTICE TIMES Pos No Driver Team Nat Time Diff Laps 1 16 Al Heller67 Cooper GBR 1m35.038s 26 2 7 Sam Blood Eagle GBR 1m35.128s 00.090s 7 3 14 65 evilclive Honda GBR 1m35.218s 00.180s 21 4 15 Tim Muttram Eagle GBR 1m35.906s 00.868s 11 5 13 robert john Brabham USA 1m35.927s 00.889s 15 6 18 Ronnie Peterson BRM ITA 1m36.924s 01.886s 19 7 11 Bernie Darwin Brabham GBR 1m36.992s 01.954s 19 8 19 Fabio Locarno Ferrari ITA 1m37.149s 02.111s 19 9 9 Skymole 2173 Cooper USA 1m37.778s 02.740s 14 10 20 Ross Neilson Ferrari GBR 1m37.936s 02.898s 14 11 17 John Roberts Brabham GBR 1m38.116s 03.078s 11 12 6 Billy Nobrakes67 Brabham GBR 1m38.226s 03.188s 11 13 8 Martin Hunt Lotus USA 1m38.376s 03.338s 9 14 3 Marco Casadei Lotus ITA 1m40.470s 05.432s 5 15 12 Marco Casadei Ferrari ITA 1m42.317s 07.279s 5 16 10 J. JonnyO Cooper BRA 1m43.097s 08.059s 5 17 5 Dave Curtis Eagle GBR 1m43.972s 08.934s 5 18 4 2 UKGPL_T7 Ferrari ITA No time No time 0 All times are official Generated with GPL Replay Analyser Track: Montjuic Sun Jun 03 22:40:38 2012 RACE RESULTS (After 34 laps) Pos No Driver Team Nat Laps Race Time Diff Problem 1 7 Sam Blood Eagle GBR 34 54m33.445s 2 15 Tim Muttram Eagle GBR 34 54m39.460s 06.015s 3 13 robert john Brabham USA 34 54m56.945s 23.500s 4 14 65 evilclive Honda GBR 34 55m12.798s 39.353s 5 8 Martin Hunt Lotus USA 34 55m38.291s 1m04.846s 6 17 John Roberts Brabham GBR 34 56m01.120s 1m27.675s 7 11 Bernie Darwin Brabham GBR 33 55m00.491s 1 lap(s) 8 6 Billy Nobrakes67 Brabham GBR 32 54m35.135s 2 lap(s) 9 5 Dave Curtis Eagle GBR 32 55m59.269s 2 lap(s) 10 20 Ross Neilson Ferrari GBR 32 56m11.520s 2 lap(s) 11 18 Ronnie Peterson BRM ITA 26 43m38.272s 8 lap(s) 12 9 Skymole 2173 Cooper USA 13 22m47.949s 21 lap(s) 13 10 J. JonnyO Cooper BRA 6 11m07.139s 28 lap(s) 14 16 Al Heller67 Cooper GBR 5 9m05.744s 29 lap(s) 15 19 Fabio Locarno Ferrari ITA 4 7m09.190s 30 lap(s) 16 3 Marco Casadei Lotus ITA 3 5m30.156s 31 lap(s) 17 12 Marco Casadei Ferrari ITA 0 DidNotStart 34 lap(s) 18 4 2 UKGPL_T7 Ferrari ITA 0 DidNotStart 34 lap(s) Race results are unofficial (Replay might have been saved before end of race) RACE FASTEST LAPS Pos Driver Time Lap 1 Tim Muttram 1m33.593s 32 2 Sam Blood 1m34.135s 33 3 robert john 1m35.035s 31 4 65 evilclive 1m35.124s 13 5 Martin Hunt 1m35.226s 33 6 John Roberts 1m36.228s 28 7 Bernie Darwin 1m36.823s 22 8 Ronnie Peterson 1m36.937s 26 9 Ross Neilson 1m37.416s 17 10 Al Heller67 1m37.966s 2 11 Billy Nobrakes67 1m38.527s 31 12 Marco Casadei 1m39.081s 2 13 Skymole 2173 1m39.268s 11 14 Fabio Locarno 1m39.970s 4 15 Dave Curtis 1m40.279s 27 16 J. JonnyO 1m43.041s 4 17 2 UKGPL_T7 No time 18 Marco Casadei No time LEADERS Driver Laps 65 evilclive 1-4 Sam Blood 5-7 65 evilclive 8-14 Sam Blood 15-34 Number of lead changes: 3 Number of leaders: 2 LAPS LED Driver Laps led Sam Blood 23 65 evilclive 11 HIGHEST CLIMBER Driver Start Finish Change Martin Hunt 13 5 8 Dave Curtis 17 9 8 John Roberts 11 6 5 Billy Nobrakes67 12 8 4 J. JonnyO 16 13 3 Tim Muttram 4 2 2 robert john 5 3 2 Sam Blood 2 1 1 2 UKGPL_T7 18 18 0 Ross Neilson 10 10 0 Bernie Darwin 7 7 0 65 evilclive 3 4 -1 Marco Casadei 15 17 -2 Marco Casadei 14 16 -2 Skymole 2173 9 12 -3 Ronnie Peterson 6 11 -5 Fabio Locarno 8 15 -7 Al Heller67 1 14 -13 ON TRACK LAPS Driver Laps/Total Percent John Roberts (34/34) 100.00 Sam Blood (34/34) 100.00 Martin Hunt (34/34) 100.00 65 evilclive (33/34) 97.06 Tim Muttram (33/34) 97.06 robert john (33/34) 97.06 Bernie Darwin (33/33) 100.00 Billy Nobrakes67 (31/32) 96.88 Ross Neilson (31/32) 96.88 Dave Curtis (30/32) 93.75 Ronnie Peterson (25/26) 96.15 Skymole 2173 (12/13) 92.31 J. JonnyO (5/6) 83.33 Al Heller67 (5/5) 100.00 Marco Casadei (3/3) 100.00 Fabio Locarno (3/4) 75.00 RACE LAPTIME CONSISTENCY (first lap excluded) Driver Avg Deviation Std Deviation Avg Laptime Laps robert john 1.147 2.092 1m36.593s 34 Sam Blood 1.202 1.870 1m36.060s 34 65 evilclive 1.239 1.836 1m37.273s 34 Martin Hunt 1.299 1.736 1m37.738s 34 Marco Casadei 1.410 1.410 1m40.491s 3 John Roberts 1.600 2.311 1m38.438s 34 Tim Muttram 1.826 3.071 1m35.946s 34 Billy Nobrakes67 1.854 2.952 1m41.443s 32 Ronnie Peterson 2.086 3.034 1m40.060s 26 Bernie Darwin 2.345 2.937 1m39.773s 33 Dave Curtis 2.417 2.892 1m43.878s 32 J. JonnyO 3.197 4.039 1m45.761s 6 Skymole 2173 3.694 4.607 1m42.562s 13 Al Heller67 6.359 7.420 1m43.712s 5 Ross Neilson 7.108 9.350 1m44.969s 32 Fabio Locarno 7.655 8.163 1m46.738s 4 All times are unofficial (Replay might have been saved before end of race) Generated with GPL Replay Analyser Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: FullMetalGasket on June 03, 2012, 10:54:43 PM +0100 REALLY enjoyed that 8)
Didn't manage to get any practice in prior to joining the lobby so was very happy with 4th on the grid - not so happy that missed the flag while adjusting my wonky chair ::) Sorry to Ronnie and anyone else who got affected :-[ From there on it was a challenge to adjust to some last minute setup changes while trying to make up lost ground, this eventually resulted in my rear ending Bernie on one of the hairpins early in the lap - sorry Bernie although I don't think it affected you much based on how far up the road you were when I eventually caught back up ;) After sucessfully passing Bernie I settled in and managed to start eating away at the leaders while occaisionally entering the first hairpin backwards when carrying too much speed over the brow... Eventually Clive helped me past by parking in some armco putting me upto 3rd, Robert J then lost it and performed a lovelly piruoette into the first hairpin (8 out of 10, entry could have been smoother ;) ) handing me second so I could concentrate on pulling in Sam who was some 16 seconds ahead acording to my pitboard. I didn't have quite enough speed to catch him by the end though so had to settle for mearly being able to see him as we finished. Had there been just 1 or 2 laps more it could have got interesting though ;D Well done to everyone who made it, connection was rock solild here, very little warp considering the type of circuit too :angel: Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: dave curtis on June 03, 2012, 10:58:58 PM +0100 Lummy, the trip from the back was not really filled with as much fun as I was expecting!
The entire drive seemed laggy somehow; even when running at 35-36 FPS. It seemed much lower. Did notice it was about 30FPS a couple of times round that 1st right-hander with the handy layby/run off/parking area. Maybe I have the hi-res version installed or something; but normally do not have any issues at all with lag. The pile-up after the start just had cars warping in/out; in that log-jam, was edging forward into clear spaces & bam! - cars appearing in there already. There was defo something wrong with my tyres. I reckon they were half-filled with butter, with the rest smeared on the outside! There again, with a random setup selected - maybe it was sand from the Zandy dunes... Still, not all bad - at least I out-qualified the UKGPL server... Got a PB during the 'race' so not all bad there either. Kinda enjoyable once I had an idea which way the next way the next corner was likely to go. ok, maybe not the most community-aware way to run a personal test session; but I clearly need all the time here as I can get. Plenty of opportunities to practice being lapped - I think there was an improvement there at least. Cheers for the run. To the guys which this applies to - enjoy the rest of the long weekend! Dave. Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: s2173 on June 03, 2012, 11:22:37 PM +0100 I dont see whats the fuss all about... the track isnt particulary great looking or fun to drive, more like below average... Clermont, st. Jovite or Pau are both more challenging and more beautiful...and they work right for a change... Installed the light version and tried turning off every tickbox in gpl, but still had 22 fps at places (and it felt like 15). So I guess the reason is not the textures, but some objects placed on wrong places or something... even on monaco rocks i get minimum 30fps, and it feels driveable unlike montjuic... Driving on it is frankly a torture, no matter what car or mod... And about racing...well, that t1 pileup says all about it imo - we were stuck for about half a minute...
Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: robert john on June 03, 2012, 11:33:35 PM +0100 Grats Sam and Tim
I am the responsible party for the 1st lap disaster. :-[ Braking and entering the hairpin I felt under control and thought I was leaving plenty of room. I thought wrong. As I turned in it was almost as if the Cooper backed up into me but that was just a visual trick on the eyes. Terribly sorry Al. I pride myself on not biffing folks up the backside so this is hard for me to swallow. Not the way I wanted to be introduced to the UKGPL. Frame rate wasn't that good but driveable. On a couple of occasions dropped extremely low for a second or two. Peace RJ Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: bernie on June 03, 2012, 11:38:50 PM +0100 really enjoyed the race , the connection was good and fr was a solid 36 even after the start when all cars were bunched ( though I didnt pay much attention to the fr after that for some reason :) )
enjoyed some close racing along the way to being lapped , the usual problem being a new track was finding the braking distances and best line through the many bends ( are there any straights here ) its the sort of track that lets you grow in confidence then bites you back for trying to be too smug Got to say that I loved it for another reason as I was there in person to see the last F1 race to be held at Mont Juich track after the safety brigade decided it was to dangerous for the modern breed of racers . great shame because spectator wise the close up sight of grand prix cars was fantastic Quite a relief to find the track wasn't the disco fest that some had predicted ;) looking forward to racing here again , I think this track was built for for the 65's or F2 mod :) Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: Al Heller on June 04, 2012, 08:44:41 AM +0100 Grats Sam and Tim I am the responsible party for the 1st lap disaster. :-[ Braking and entering the hairpin I felt under control and thought I was leaving plenty of room. I thought wrong. As I turned in it was almost as if the Cooper backed up into me but that was just a visual trick on the eyes. Terribly sorry Al. I pride myself on not biffing folks up the backside so this is hard for me to swallow. Not the way I wanted to be introduced to the UKGPL. Frame rate wasn't that good but driveable. On a couple of occasions dropped extremely low for a second or two. Peace RJ No problems Robert - Clive & Sam had both run pretty deep into T1 & looked like they might touch, so I was pulling up a little sharply in order to try & take the inside line. It was only the lightest of touches from your car but of course GPL's collision rendering did the rest... Anyway I can hardly start pontificating as I managed to plough into the back of Ronnie later on :-[ Still, I guess it's better that all this happens in the fun races. Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: s2173 on June 04, 2012, 10:07:37 AM +0100 Still, I guess it's better that all this happens in the fun races. Oh yeah? :o ;D Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: EvilClive on June 04, 2012, 10:13:47 AM +0100 Great circuit from my point of view, although it seemed to stress my computer's graphics ability at times despite having a 1 Gb card. ( the 2.8 processor might be the week link here). I was fortunate to be leading on the 1st lap and therefore was not asking my graphics package to process a load of cars in close proximity, so I never saw what effect that might have on frame rates.
I used the "lite" version, but still found it necessary to turn down the graphics slider and reduce the number of trackside objects to avoid serious frame rate issues. I do wonder what sort of hardware one would need to run the "hi res" version.??? Other than that, no probs with the track other than the unforgiving armco barriers. I took one too many liberties and went from just "kissing" the armco to some serious "tongue action". The result was that the Honda suffered some serious issues at the front end about half distance and generated a super hot left front tyre, which made no sense given that almost all the corners are left handers!!! Plus, front tyre temps are a new experience that despite many years in GPL I have almost never suffer from, all my problems are with rear tyres and molten rubber. Grats to Sam, Tim and Robert, I could not match their pace once the front wheels started falling off and anyway I was only ahead because I survived without incidents for longer than they did, so I cannot complain. Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: bernie on June 04, 2012, 10:53:21 AM +0100 Quote Anyway I can hardly start pontificating as I managed to plough into the back of Ronnie later on I do hope Ronnie appologised for slowing your progress ;D ;D ;D Title: UKGPL Season 23 (2012) - Montjuich Park - Jun 3 Post by: Ross Neilson on June 04, 2012, 11:28:44 AM +0100 Dummy event to import the results of the Montjuich Park test race on 3rd June 2012. See here for details https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=10764.0
Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: il_lupo_mannaro on June 04, 2012, 12:04:07 PM +0100 Even if I don't like street circuits this one is not so bad... for hotlaps alone!
Online races on such a circuit often became a mess, so IMHO Montjuic is not a good choice for season 23. Anyway, no issues like freezes or CTD all along the qualify time and no FPS from the middle of the grid. I quit the race only because of an accident. Well done to everybody seen the checquered flag! Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: maddog on June 04, 2012, 03:13:23 PM +0100 A look at everyone's practice times, told me my setup needed tweaking. Early laps were exciting, with some rubbing of bodywork, but no blood shed. After which, my race became a lonely one, and a battle with the tyres, more than with Armco. But there's never a dull moment, on such a challenging track - it's rather like a high speed version of Monaco, and a place where there's no substitute for car control. :angel:
This track has been ignored for too long. I've a 'slow end' system, but despite starting near the back it ran well, and with no evidence of warping. BTW, I hope everyone stopped on the short back straight, to admire the animated fountain? Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: robert john on June 04, 2012, 06:58:59 PM +0100 Again apologies to Al and all those caught up in the mess I created. The inside line at the hairpin was always going to be slower and I should have allowed Al more room to negotiate the turn. I was shocked when it happened and my initial thought was that Al had run in to a car ahead or something. I know this sounds selfish but I hate the feeling I have after being involved(causing) in an incident like that. I drive around the whole race wondering and brooding. Looking at the replay I'm trying to figure out what happened and where I can do better and I spot the number on my car. Number 13. Yesterday was not my lucky day. My oldest sons' apartment was broken in to and robbed. Bad enough as that is, I had allowed him to use a couple of my shotguns recently. Someone else is now the owner of them. One I've had since my early teens. :'(
My initial laps at Montjuic in testing were followed by a "you have got to be kidding!" Too slick, too unforgiving for a 67 I thought. When I tried the Brabham it was a bit better but still all over the place kissing the armco and sliding thru braking points. I joined the server with the escape option if I couldn't cope. The first couple of laps were not so bad I thought and boy was I surprised to see my time and standing to that point. Decided that race fuel was the better option for the remainder of practice. Saw lots of offs, crashes, spins, tank-slappers, etc... and provided a few myself. One as Sam was waiting at the pit exit I touched the left side armco on the pit straight? and shot to the inside giving the pit barrier a mighty whack! Sitting in Sam's car it looks funny but from where I was at it was plum scary. :eek: The race was interesting and almost fun forgetting lap 1. I managed to catch up Sam and Evil or they came back to me. After a spin by Sam I was between them. Following Evil up the hill on lap 10 I drifted wider than my usual and crested the "Hump" at a bad angle. The landing was bad and I smacked the inside barrier , riding it down to the haybales. While driving away I noticed my steering felt strange and the wheel was tilted several degrees to the right. From then on I had miserable understeer at the left hand corners. The right handers weren't a problem so I tried to adjust for this. Tim was gaining by the lap and I tried picking up my pace. The harder I drove the worse my front tires became so it was only a matter of time. I saw Evil ahead and was thinking he must be struggling as well. I can't remember where but I touched a barrier(many times during the race) and the steering felt a little better afterwards. Guess I bent the opposite side to compensate. With Tim bearing down on me I performed the 8 out of 10 he referred to. I think judges are a little generous these days so a 7.5 would be acceptable. The story of my life, a 7.5 out of 10. ;D Somehow soldierd on to the finish with a beaten and battered Brabham and bruised ego to boot. I tried guys. :-\ I've changed my views on driving a 67 around here. It is slippery and unforgiving but hell the 67's are already that and more. Drifting through some of those turns with the threat of smacking the barrier if you get it wrong... :scared: Can't say it's boring. Grats on the pole Al Great fast lap Tim Grats Sam for hanging on Peace RJ Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: Samb on June 04, 2012, 07:03:17 PM +0100 Thoroughly enjoyed that. Having upgraded computers recently, I thought I'd try my luck with the Hires version of Montjuich. When I was lapping in practice, I had a nice steady frame rate but when the start began, I noticed a reasonable drop in fps, but nothing too severe to make it impossible to drive.
My race was relatively simple; I spent the first half battling Clive and Robert for the most part. By half distance I found myself in the lead and simply had to maintain a gap to the closing Tim, who had brilliant pace throughout the race. The Eagle was a pleasure to drive, despite my lead foot getting the better of me on occasion. Still unsure on which series to sign up for, but I'll sign up for something eventually, for sure :). Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: Billy Nobrakes on June 05, 2012, 01:23:50 AM +0100 Some feedback on the track.
Connection was solid - if there was a frame rate drop I didn't notice. There are a few street circuits which I really dislike but can't complain about this one. The sweeping turns into the last 1/3 of the lap are awesome. Equally the run down to T1 is frightening. I was rather amazed to have completed the race with only one serious dispute with the armco. My only reservation with running this track for UKGPL races is that you can almost predict a T1 pile up. Nevertheless, it gets my vote which means it will be used as the Spanish leg of the Formula 2 European Tour. Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: Ronniepeterson on June 05, 2012, 09:03:44 AM +0100 Quote Anyway I can hardly start pontificating as I managed to plough into the back of Ronnie later on I do hope Ronnie appologised for slowing your progress ;D ;D ;D How remiss of me and thanks for the reminder Bernie. Forgive me everyone but I have not apologised in the last five minutes so here I go, SORRY EVERYONE :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: On a serious note I used the hi res version of the track with all the detail at max in gpl and did not notice any slowdown in frame rate (Win7 OS, i7 2700k processor, GTX 580 1536mb graphics). One last comment on the track. For me, the exit from the final corner, over the start/finish line, over the hill, to the entry of the first corner is simply one of the best sections of any track I have driven on GPL and a mighty challenge to get right lap after lap. Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: EvilClive on June 05, 2012, 10:57:04 AM +0100 I have to agree Ronnie, that section from the S/F line to T1 is an absolute sod to nail !! I don't think I have got it absolutely right even once to date.
Either, I drop a gear just as I crest that rise and try and brake in a straight line aiming at my turn in point and find that I arrive with time to spare or, I push just a little more and delay a gearchange by 10 mtrs and find myself heading into the bales on the outside of T1 in a very untidy fashion :-\ Also, from the cockpit I don't think T1 looks as sharp as it actually is and I find it is easy to get huge understeer if you hit it too fast. The section up the hill to the start is almost an act of faith and it took me a long time and several "chicken out" laps before I gained the confidence ( and the right line) to keep the gas nailed as I went up through the gears to cross the S/F line flat in 5th. Yes, this circuit offers a great challenge, just like Monaco....but different. ;) Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: bernie on June 05, 2012, 11:12:54 PM +0100 is there a replay anywhere ?
forgot to save mine in all the excitement :-[ Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: BadBlood on June 05, 2012, 11:34:19 PM +0100 Results are available on this thread if anyone wants them https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=10799#event3266 I have merged the threads so Ross's Link doesn't work anymore... Replay is here (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Replays/Archive/Season22/FunRaces/) and, yes, there are two versions - that is how hard your mods work... not so good at talking to each other though... ;D Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: FullMetalGasket on June 06, 2012, 04:59:56 PM +0100 Forgot to mention it earlier but I had no slow down at all here - even at the T1 pileup and later when I was working back up through the field :)
But then if I do get slow down it's normally something going wrong in the background anyway ;D Tempted to stick together a quick video showing the 4 main methods of approach into T1 ;D I noticed Evil performed the 'forget to brake' option perfectly at one point in the race :P Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: bernie on June 06, 2012, 10:17:46 PM +0100 Is it just me who has problems seeing through the Lotus windowscreen , I think the problem is worse at some tracks than others , Bathurst for e.g. I found was particularly bad ???
Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: EvilClive on June 07, 2012, 08:22:44 AM +0100 Tempted to stick together a quick video showing the 4 main methods of approach into T1 ;D I noticed Evil performed the 'forget to brake' option perfectly at one point in the race :P I was merely exploring the limits of tyre adhesion ::) Title: Re: UKGPL Season 22 Fun Race - Montjuich Park - June 3rd Post by: maddog on June 07, 2012, 09:31:12 AM +0100 I was merely exploring my rear view driving ability! ;D
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