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Title: UKGPL Season 23 (2012) Works Trophy (67) - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - Jun 17
Post by: Ross Neilson on June 15, 2012, 12:15:38 PM +0100
Roll up! roll up! Welcome one and all to Season 23 of UKGPL, the world's finest and most celebrated GPL league (apparently). The Works brigade begin at Silverstone, host to the first ever World Championship Grand Prix back in 1950. The field is wide open to claim Joe Shaw's mantle as the best driver in the 67s. Rumours of Bulgarian hotshoe Hristo Itchov's return have proved well founded, but old hands in the form of Clive Gardner and Al Heller are sure to be contenders, alongside Italy's new darling Attilio Artiglietti. Not an event to be missed!

Race listiGOR
ServerUKGPL_GPG
IP address62.195.32.131
Date17-06-2012
Race timeRace starts at 21:30 UK time
Qualifying timeBetween 30 and 60 minutes, starting no later than 21:00 UK time
TrackSilverstone
Mod67
Damage modelPRO
Race length34 laps
ReplayAvailable here (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/replays/Archive/Season23/Grads_Works/S23_Grads_Works_R01_2012_06_17_Silverstone.rar)

Reserve drivers please note; you must leave the server with 35 minutes of qualifying left, for a total of 5 minutes, to allow full timers to join.

The red zone will be fully moderated for lap 1 only. For this event the red zone will be from the start line to the exit of turn 5 (Stowe). Other moderation will be on reported incidents only.

The chassis token system is explained on the Works (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=360&theme=6) standings page. Please ensure you choose a chassis that is within your budget, which can be seen by hovering the mouse over your points total in the standings.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 23 (2012) Works Trophy (67) - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - Jun 17
Post by: fpolicardi on June 15, 2012, 05:33:45 PM +0100
GPG server is set for 34 laps Long race and listening on Igor.
Ciao


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 23 (2012) Works Trophy (67) - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - Jun 17
Post by: Doni Yourth on June 16, 2012, 12:28:29 AM +0100
Alas, for me, this opening round in S23 is trumped by the vintage car weekend at Mosport.

Best of Luck, chaps!  :)



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 23 (2012) Works Trophy (67) - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - Jun 17
Post by: Arf Arf Arf on June 17, 2012, 09:47:13 PM +0100
What can I say.... Pod and Sergio - sincerest apologies for the separate incidents in which I crashed into you both.

Pod - I didn't know you were there, looks like we came out of the first corner side by side. I couldn't hear your engine, thought I was clear to take my place for the left hander. I hope you can continue.

Sergio I passed on the start straight, and thought I'd made a complete pass. Looks like I was drifting over a bit and touched you (my rear to your front). Pretty sure I ruined your race... really sorry

Arf


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 23 (2012) Works Trophy (67) - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - Jun 17
Post by: Ross Neilson on June 17, 2012, 11:23:16 PM +0100
Great to see an almost full grid to start the season. The replay is now available.

Incident reports should be submitted by 24th June.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 23 (2012) Works Trophy (67) - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - Jun 17
Post by: robert john on June 18, 2012, 12:21:18 AM +0100
Well, a bittersweet first points race for me.   :-[     I am in violation of the rules concerning car swapping. I set a time in the BRM but could not get a handle on the beast and decided it would be dangerous to drive in the race. I grabbed a Ferrari and started the race. I did not do a good job of reading all the rules, in fact I only read the Works page and thought you could change cars going by the Token system. Just came across the actual rules page and ugh... I see I should have done my homework.

Grats to Hristo, Art, and Sam on he podium.

A couple of spins for me but otherwise not a bad result. Thanks for the race

Peace

RJ


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 23 (2012) Works Trophy (67) - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - Jun 17
Post by: clouds on June 18, 2012, 08:01:16 AM +0100
An awful race for me guys, lots of problems that I tried to solve hours before the practice time but I've not been able to complete the job.
I've installed GPL and all the necessary backing up my folders on my home PC but when I was at my girlfriend's home the restore process told me something was not right so part of the backup has been not completely restored on the new PC  :P :( and I then knew something strange was happening this evening. In facts, I completed the necessary when the practice for the GP was already started and...there was not such a thing functioning (also if was functioning 1 minute early)...damn...panic. What happened I don't know but, like last resource, I did what a normal programmer must do when anything doesn't function...shutdown and restart the PC :) and...OK, all went good then (or at least so it seemed to).
Entering the server the 1st things I've not seen were all my setups...where they are ?!?! I said, but at last I've made one on the fly with obvious results...car undriveable and with behaviour completely different from the one at my home PC. So I've been able to complete only one practice lap for the starting grid but it was not necessary because I was starting from the last position.
I didn't recall very well about rolling starts or other stuff but I followed the crowd for the 1st entire lap and I've tried to stay far from the accidents and I almost did it right untill Arf^3 remembered me that there was something bad incoming. I maintained my straight line while he was passing me but I've seen his left train coming closer to me from right side approaching to T1R and then I was suddenly rolling upside down. Fortunately I've landed on the wheels and so I have been able to continue the race.
I was fighting with my car more than once to keep it on the track and at least in 2 circumstances other 2 drivers unfortunately were getting close to me when I did a bad maneuver. I'm speaking about Sky and EvilClive.
The 1st driver was very much near me when I've had a spinout exiting from a corner and so he has been involved. The second one during the main straight, trying to leave him the racing line while I was lapped, probably he didn't expect my quick move because when I've seen him in my mirrors I moved out from the race line but probably doing so I've surprised him, so he reacted badly in such a way that he has lost the control of his Honda going out of track and loosing a wheel just during one of the last laps. I'm very sorry for these 2 accidents in which I've involved those drivers. In particular for EvilClive, I've tried to push him to the finish line because I thought he had the engine out but, he preferred to ditch maybe for the rage I think.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 23 (2012) Works Trophy (67) - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - Jun 17
Post by: Hristo Itchov on June 18, 2012, 10:48:33 AM +0100
The second one during the main straight, trying to leave him the racing line while I was lapped, probably he didn't expect my quick move because when I've seen him in my mirrors I moved out from the race line but probably doing so I've surprised him, so he reacted badly in such a way that he has lost the control of his Honda going out of track and loosing a wheel just during one of the last laps. I'm very sorry for these 2 accidents in which I've involved those drivers. In particular for EvilClive, I've tried to push him to the finish line because I thought he had the engine out but, he preferred to ditch maybe for the rage I think.

It happened right in front of me. Evil was already moving to the right to pass you, you could have looked into your mirrors, see him there and keep your line. Instead you moved to the right and what's worse, you started slowing down, so he had to react to avoid you and that led to his retirement. I've been preaching for years now that backmarkers should act predictably and not move over in the last moment, nor slow down excessively, but I guess it falls on deaf ears.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 23 (2012) Works Trophy (67) - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - Jun 17
Post by: clouds on June 18, 2012, 11:07:39 AM +0100
It happened right in front of me. Evil was already moving to the right to pass you, you could have looked into your mirrors, see him there and keep your line. Instead you moved to the right and what's worse, you started slowing down, so he had to react to avoid you and that led to his retirement. I've been preaching for years now that backmarkers should act predictably and not move over in the last moment, nor slow down excessively, but I guess it falls on deaf ears.

Yes, but it is not completely true what you said.
It was at least from 10 laps to go that I had problems to my engine and I was very slow to get to the finish line so this was my speed at that moment and...I inadvertently decreased the volume of my head phones so while I was looking for the volume knob, I've been surprised when I've heard the sound of an engine just behind me and I immediately tried on to free the racing line but I've just had the time to see Evil try to avoid me hitting the wall...that's all. It was better if I remained along my line.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 23 (2012) Works Trophy (67) - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - Jun 17
Post by: Hristo Itchov on June 18, 2012, 11:31:34 AM +0100
It happened right in front of me. Evil was already moving to the right to pass you, you could have looked into your mirrors, see him there and keep your line. Instead you moved to the right and what's worse, you started slowing down, so he had to react to avoid you and that led to his retirement. I've been preaching for years now that backmarkers should act predictably and not move over in the last moment, nor slow down excessively, but I guess it falls on deaf ears.

Yes, but it is not completely true what you said.
It was at least from 10 laps to go that I had problems to my engine and I was very slow to get to the finish line so this was my speed at that moment and...I inadvertently decreased the volume of my head phones so while I was looking for the volume knob, I've been surprised when I've heard the sound of an engine just behind me and I immediately tried on to free the racing line but I've just had the time to see Evil try to avoid me hitting the wall...that's all. It was better if I remained along my line.

Yes, but Evil couldn't have known you had such problems. From his point of view you suddenly slowed down on a straight that is normally taken flat out, in addition to moving to the side right into his path. Before you slowed down, you had much stronger acceleration, which is why he didn't make a move to pass you earlier. If you had problems, you could have either cruised off the ideal line earlier, or as you say, you should have just kept the ideal line and let Evil do the pass which he was attempting to. I was quite fortunate that I was a hundred meters further back, because that could have been me in his place and retire from the lead.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 23 (2012) Works Trophy (67) - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - Jun 17
Post by: clouds on June 18, 2012, 11:57:26 AM +0100
It happened right in front of me. Evil was already moving to the right to pass you, you could have looked into your mirrors, see him there and keep your line. Instead you moved to the right and what's worse, you started slowing down, so he had to react to avoid you and that led to his retirement. I've been preaching for years now that backmarkers should act predictably and not move over in the last moment, nor slow down excessively, but I guess it falls on deaf ears.

Yes, but it is not completely true what you said.
It was at least from 10 laps to go that I had problems to my engine and I was very slow to get to the finish line so this was my speed at that moment and...I inadvertently decreased the volume of my head phones so while I was looking for the volume knob, I've been surprised when I've heard the sound of an engine just behind me and I immediately tried on to free the racing line but I've just had the time to see Evil try to avoid me hitting the wall...that's all. It was better if I remained along my line.

Yes, but Evil couldn't have known you had such problems. From his point of view you suddenly slowed down on a straight that is normally taken flat out, in addition to moving to the side right into his path. Before you slowed down, you had much stronger acceleration, which is why he didn't make a move to pass you earlier. If you had problems, you could have either cruised off the ideal line earlier, or as you say, you should have just kept the ideal line and let Evil do the pass which he was attempting to. I was quite fortunate that I was a hundred meters further back, because that could have been me in his place and retire from the lead.

Sure, it could have happened to you. Anyway, since I was slow from 10 laps to go, all drivers have lapped me more than once and you too obviously. Did you have had any problem lapping me ? Another thing is...I had no pribluda functioning so I didn't have any cue about which driver was in front nor behind me, and the pit board shown me a driver 10 or more laps behind me (maybe ditched but still on track).


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 23 (2012) Works Trophy (67) - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - Jun 17
Post by: Artiglietti on June 18, 2012, 12:01:03 PM +0100
Yes Sergio, you took out the wrong Honda, that wasnt the plan we had before the start was it  ;D ;D ;D? Incidentally, I think Clive retired because he went looking for one of his wheels...

My race was hard work and really one of the most fun I had. Disappointed not to have been able to keep up with that one Itcho, but I reckon the gap wouldnt have been that big had I not been harassed all the way by a rather tenacious eagle, fluttering behind my back and occasionally just in front of my nose..Truth is though, in order to give H a race, even in his Honda, I would have needed one more half a second into my pocket; will set off and try to find that for the next ones  ;). WD Hristo for a come back in style, looking forward to the rest of the championship.

As said, I had a brilliant scrap with Sam all race long. I think after a couple of races spent battling together, I reached the conclusion we both belong to the category of the 'lazy competitives': full focus when in recovering mode, sit and enjoy when in front..very bad, needs some serious rethinking I bet  ;D. I let him catch up around lap 10 although I had the pace in my car, and even let him by with a small excursion on the grass at the second to last corner. Fortunately, Sam decided to kindly oblige a few laps later, with a quick 360 which allowed me in front again. From then on it was just a run to the flag, with some quick final laps that put paid to the match. Really intense racing, thanks guys. Also, it was brilliant to see such a full grid, hope we can keep it up for the reminder of the season.

See you all in Spain in a couple fo weeks.   



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 23 (2012) Works Trophy (67) - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - Jun 17
Post by: clouds on June 18, 2012, 12:13:53 PM +0100
Yes Sergio, you took out the wrong Honda, that wasnt the plan we had before the start was it  ;D ;D ;D?

Oh shut up guy...otherwise someone might believe it. :D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 23 (2012) Works Trophy (67) - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - Jun 17
Post by: Artiglietti on June 18, 2012, 12:25:22 PM +0100
Yes Sergio, you took out the wrong Honda, that wasnt the plan we had before the start was it  ;D ;D ;D?

Oh shut up guy...otherwise someone might believe it. :D

Let anxiety and mistrust spread into the Waza camp. Is there an Italian plot being weaved to threaten their supremacy >:D >:D?


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 23 (2012) Works Trophy (67) - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - Jun 17
Post by: clouds on June 18, 2012, 12:32:11 PM +0100
Yes Sergio, you took out the wrong Honda, that wasnt the plan we had before the start was it  ;D ;D ;D?

Oh shut up guy...otherwise someone might believe it. :D


Let anxiety and mistrust spread into the Waza camp. Is there an Italian plot being weaved to threaten their supremacy >:D >:D?

Yes Sergio, you took out the wrong Honda, that wasnt the plan we had before the start was it  ;D ;D ;D?

Oh shut up guy...otherwise someone might believe it. :D

Let anxiety and mistrust spread into the Waza camp. Is there an Italian plot being weaved to threaten their supremacy >:D >:D?

Oh yeah, anxiety and mistrust...to keep my car straight on track !


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 23 (2012) Works Trophy (67) - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - Jun 17
Post by: Al Heller on June 18, 2012, 01:16:01 PM +0100
I'd echo Attilio's comment - really pleased to see such a healthy grid for both Works & Privateers (& hope we can keep attendances up for the season). I'm reasonably happy with my race - didn't really get on top of things in qualifying but nicked 5th when Fulvio ran wide on lap 1. While the front quartet gradually edged away, I found myself trying to defend a flimsy 2 second advantage to Fulvio, Clive & Andrew. Just like last season's Historic race here, Fulvio was relentless in his pursuit for the whole race & I had to fight like crazy just to try & eke out some breathing space between us. Having driven out of my skin for nigh on 30 laps, I noticed with horror that I'd eaten up far more fuel than expected so spent the closing laps desperately trying to change up early & use low revs... and crossed the line with 0.4 galls left :sweatdrop: Congrats to Sam, Art & that new bloke in the Honda ;)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 23 (2012) Works Trophy (67) - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - Jun 17
Post by: fpolicardi on June 18, 2012, 04:41:25 PM +0100
Hehe relentless  ;D
Indeed I was pleased to start fifth after a short qualy for me, and to not crash in the race after a tiring Sunday at sea with my grandson and a breakdown to my car. Luckily it happened before I went down to the slipway to let down my rubber dinghy, it would embarrassing to block the slipway all the afternoon waiting for a tow.  :-[
After a nice start with Al pressing inside at T1, I kept fifth till the Eagle (Sam?) ahead had a slow exit from T1 lap2 so we approched to Maggot side by side, but I had to go wide to not risk a touch so Al passed by and so did Andy and Clive soon after.
Some laps later I did a move on Andy on the main straight and he was fair enough to not overbrake at T1 so I went to catch Clive that had soon tires problems I think cause I could pass him pretty easily.
Then the long pursuit to Al trying to take care of tires and engine temps and not overbrake myself. In the end no mistakes from both of us so an unexpected fifth for me.  :)
Ciao

I'd echo Attilio's comment - really pleased to see such a healthy grid for both Works & Privateers (& hope we can keep attendances up for the season). I'm reasonably happy with my race - didn't really get on top of things in qualifying but nicked 5th when Fulvio ran wide on lap 1. While the front quartet gradually edged away, I found myself trying to defend a flimsy 2 second advantage to Fulvio, Clive & Andrew. Just like last season's Historic race here, Fulvio was relentless in his pursuit for the whole race & I had to fight like crazy just to try & eke out some breathing space between us. Having driven out of my skin for nigh on 30 laps, I noticed with horror that I'd eaten up far more fuel than expected so spent the closing laps desperately trying to change up early & use low revs... and crossed the line with 0.4 galls left :sweatdrop: Congrats to Sam, Art & that new bloke in the Honda ;)



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 23 (2012) Works Trophy (67) - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - Jun 17
Post by: Samb on June 18, 2012, 06:10:54 PM +0100
That really was a brilliant race. Art has pretty much summed up my race. Why I cannot push as hard as I can chasing another car is beyond me. Nevertheless, that set me up for a cracking battle with Art that lasted for almost all the race.

A nice way to start S23 with a podium. Just a shame I can't use the Eagle every race  ;). Congrats to H and Art for well fought places.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 23 (2012) Works Trophy (67) - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - Jun 17
Post by: EvilClive on June 19, 2012, 07:19:46 PM +0100
I was disappointed when I ended up in the wall at Stowe after trying to avoid Sergio, but I was not mad  ;) No worries Sergio, next time just stay on the racing line next time and ease back to let the faster car make the pass.

I had settled for the position i was holding as I had damaged the handling of the WAZA some laps before trying to keep up with Fulvio's Ferrari. It just did not handle as well after that ( come to think about it...it did not handle that well before either!!!).

Grats to Hristo on his return to UKGPL and to the other fast boys at the front. It looks like we might have a very competitive season  ;)



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 23 (2012) Works Trophy (67) - Silverstone (GP 1952-73) - Jun 17
Post by: clouds on June 20, 2012, 10:16:40 AM +0100
Guys, I had mounted my DFP drive wheel on a mobile table, mobile in the sense that it was not stiff and every time I turned my drive wheel, all was moving, also my monitor, so I had to move to stay in front of the monitor. It seemed to me much more a regatta for sail boats than a GPL race.  ::) :P ;D