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A new circuit for the GT's to tackle with some fast sections and some technical bits as well. The "bomb hole" will test suspension setups of all the cars and there is even a banked section just for variety.  have fun

Teams can choose to run any cars they like, but in any race each all team members must drive different cars, so only one driver can drive the car that does not need to stop.

Pit stop times are listed below with a choice of a single long stop or two shorter stops... the choice is yours.

THIS RACE WILL HAVE A ROLLING START AND CARS ARE EXPECTED TO MAINTAIN THEIR GRID POSITIONS FOR THE FIRST LAP. THE POLE CAR WILL LEAD THE PACK AROUND AT A STEADY SPEED AND RACING WILL START AS CARS EXIT THE CHICANE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BANKING ON LAP 1.


"Please ensure you are aware of the new in-series penalties for this season. Details are here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=10879.0). Drivers incurring a penalty will receive a PM informing them of this."

Race list	iGOR
Server	T7_2
IP address	62.149.202.168
Date	21-10-2012
Race time	Race starts at 09:30 UK time
Qualifying time	Between 30 and 60 minutes, starting no later than 21:00 UK time
Track	Montlhery66
Mod	GT
Damage model	INT (Each driver is allowed a single Shift-R)
Race length	14 laps
Replay	Available here (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Replays/Archive/Season23/GTs/)

Montlhery - GT

	Single Stop Time		Double Stop Time		Post Race Time Penalty
Porsche 910	No Stop		N/A		0
Ford GT40 Mk1	10		N/A		18
Mirage M1	54		23		62
Ford GT40 Mk4	28		10		36
Ford GT40 Mk2B	50		22		58
Ferrari 330/P4	65		28		73
Lola T70 Mk3	58		25		66
Chaparral Mk2D	48		20		56
Chaparral Mk2F	56		24		64

 First Pit Window is: 11 (to go on your pit board) to 7 (to go on your pit board)
 Second Pit Window is: 8 (to go on your pit board) to 4 (to go on your pit board)



Some useful information about pitstops. If you unsure about anything please post  a question and we will give you the answers.

1) We recommend the use of the small programme   "GPL WAIT"   .....link here This will time your stop for you and is simple to set up and operate.

2) Pitstops must be taken by coming to a halt in YOUR pitbox. That means where there is a black board with your racing name on it in pit lane.

3) To be sure that you are correctly in your pitbox approach your name board carefully with your car close to the pit wall. Just when the board vanishes STOP and you are correctly positioned.

4) If your stop is LESS than 30 seconds you can be a little less precise with your position as GPL will not disco you automatically.
    However, if your stop is MORE than 30 secs you need to be correctly parked in your pitbox otherwise at 30 seconds GPL will retire your car. THIS IS WORTH PRACTISING OFFLINE.

5) Stop n Go after a Shift-R must be taken as a separate stop and cannot be combined with your mandatory pitstop.

6) Priority in pitlane is given to cars that are moving. If you are about to leave the pits after your stop you MUST wait if another car is about to pass you in the pits.

Wazas, please let me know what you'd be taking for this one.

Beware, Montlhery is a very difficult track !

just look at my picture of the red Alfa Romeo against the wall.
Even driven by a 4 times winner in Le Mans, these things happened !

Difficult but awesome track!

LOL

I remember Montlhery.............http://www.ian-stanley.co.uk/gplbreasts/allegedly/006/index.html

Maybe you should come along and show us how you should have done it last time Clive?  ::)

Yes, Clive, I will never forget that race and it's one of the reasons I love the track!  ;)

LOL

I know that this is a mortal sin but my current racing pc doesn't even have GPL on it!   :no:   :oops:

The moderators have conferred and,

after much deliberation,


decided that the heretic Clive Loynes shall be shot at dawn for a week!! :scared:

I hear the soggies have a vacancy for another superstar , I can put in a word for you for a small fee

Hope she doesn't mind!

Good to see that you and Mike are keeping the flag flying Bernie.

Guys due to JHally missing, Axel asked me if I could race with his Team and I've accepted the invitation !

T7 server is set for 14 laps Long race and listening on Igor on Console session with OpenGL_V2
Ciao

Thank you Fulvio. I hope we will see you back racing soon.  :thumbup1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4qlTw7xiKE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4qlTw7xiKE)
Still marching on

Got Disco'd in the Pits at Spa and now I get properly Disco'd on the main straight  ::)
We've just been upgraded to Virgin's 100Mb broad band and so far it seems worse than the old service  :-\

This track needs to go on the suspect list.....A screen freeze in practice on UKGPL8.....and not even completed 1 flying lap of the race before another freeze on T7.....Says the track is suss to me.

I was behind you on the warm up lap Tim and you were bouncing about like a kangaroo.  Geoff would have been impressed LOL.

The race was much better than I expected.  I found the track really tough in the Mirage, but I did enjoy blasting past Hristo's porker in the early laps.  I clipped a haybale on the fast right hander and I ended up spinning round all the way up the straight but amazingly I didn't need a shift R.  After that I did my stop and when I came out of the pits everyone was long gone.  There was no pit board to identify my pit box so I had to spin up the rear tyres a couple of times during my 54 second stop.

They were a bit tardy appearing Phil when I did a practice stop on the Praccy sever....bad luck if you were in an early pit slot.

Unlucky race for me. I made a little 360 just before the banked part of the track at "chicane nord", going back from 1st to 3rd place but I regained the 1st place the next lap when had a contact with my teammate Axel at "virage de la ferme" that made me sit on the hay bales. I had to reset for this reason loosing a lot of time that kept me away from a possible final battle for the 1st place. I raced from the 7th place up to the 3rd place caught at penultimate lap and I finished just a few tenth of second from the 2nd place in a photo finish sprint with evilclive!
No problems with wait time and pit board but I've got a few freezes and if they were happened when I was in a difficult pass, I would have gone out of track.

That's odd, I've had many races on it through the years and it was never a problem, and I don't mean just on my end, but in general for everyone.

Unexpected victory for me, because I haven't practiced at all, had no setup and decided to take the Porsche with about 15 minutes left in Qualifying on the server when I saw that it requires no pitstops. I thought "it should be fast around here, despite the long straights" and it turned out to be the case.

I forgot to check about the rolling zone and wasn't sure if we're doing a full rolling lap or not, and nobody answered my question, so I tried to stay close to the car in front of me, but was kinda disappointed that everyone was so spread out at the end of the pace lap when the race obviously started. It became obvious I was lacking a lot of speed on the straight, but after working on my gearing in Qualifying, I could just about slipstream without worrying for the engine, though it was going into the red line.

Gained a couple of positions quickly after other people's mistakes, then it took 2 laps until I finally managed to clear off Phil who was holding me up in the slow bits, but when those in front of him made mistakes as well, I was suddenly going in 2nd place, with the leader (Axel or Sergio, not sure at the time) just in front! One particularly exciting moment prior to that was when I had a run on Doni, and Phil had a run on both of us, so we were heading 3-wide towards the tank trap, but I risked a bit more and braked later, which put me in front of them for the twisty bit and I was able to escape from their clutches there.

So just after taking 2nd place, I totally disregarded the solid hay bale on the exit of T1 (or is it T2 or T3 lol), the fast right, and by the time I saw I was going towards it, it was too late to change direction sufficiently to avoid contact. A spin at high speed, over the grass, but fortunately ended up on the track and pointing in the right direction. I was passed by 3-4 cars though, so once again I had to engage in the battle with Phil's flying Mirage.

This time it was Phil's turn to hit the dreadful hay bale, but at least he has the excuse of that corner not being completely flat out in his car, while it is barely a corner in the Porsche!  ::)

Eventually the pit stops came around and I found myself chasing Axel who was some 9 seconds ahead, and I managed to reduce the gap to 7 seconds before his stop. After that it was quite comfortable, with everyone so far back, but I kept pushing because I wanted to see what lap time I could do in the Porsche. A couple of 1:36s goes to show that perhaps the pit stop lengths were way too long for the other cars.

Finished first, then watched Evil fighting to keep his 2nd place and it was entertaining to see him needling that lump of stone on wheels through the last chicane, then just managing to hold on to 2nd place.  ;D Grats!  ;)

I really enjoy this track, so I hope we race at it again in the future in one of the divisions, preferably in open wheelers though.

I'm beginning to think the wait times are completely wrong. At Surfers Paradise they were wrong and here at Montlhery they were as well.
I may figure out to be back or forth around 5 secs but when the gap is 50 secs or around it, there is something that went bad in calculation.

Let's make some calculations:

I made the RBL in 2:33.64
Hristo made his BL in 2:36.12

The race lenght was 14 laps with 1 pace lap so 13 laps of effective race, then at  least theoretically I could have done 2:33.64 x 13 = 33:17.33
while Hristo he could have done 2:36.12 x 13 = 33:49.56
that means 33:49.56 - 33:17.33 = 32.23 secs gap (at max performances)
that means, excluding 6 secs for Pit In and 6 secs for Pit Out (12 secs) 32.23 -12 = 20.23 !!! and this should have been the wait time for a Chap 2D.
Instead the wait time was 48 secs, more than twice what it should have been !!!
I could expect a value -20% <= x <= +20% but not 200% more.
The time a car loses for Pit In and Pit Out has also to be taken in count when there are cars that don't stop.

Yeah, I agree, the pit stop times for some cars at most tracks this season have been very wrong. I wonder if it's been intentional so the championship is spiced up, since drivers in each team can't take the same car and this is mainly a team championship?

The problem I have had in setting pitstop times is getting hold of accurate lap time data.

Before this race, the best lap times that I could find for the GT's were a lot slower than everyone achieved last night.

You would be surprised how few circuits there are on GPL Rank with a full set of competitive lap times. The best times that I have are usually from races that we have run in UKGPL.

So, yes the evidence last night suggests that the time for the Chap 2D was too long, or the Porsche should have been given a 20 second stop as well?  Which would have put Hristo, Sergio and myself very close at the finish......I was 2/3rds correct  ::). Don't forget that pitstops assume that you have an incident free race and do not lose any time parked in haybales.

Each race we have gives me more data to work with, but I cannot use the times from Spa when you are working out the pitstops for Surfers Paradise.

If the stop times are wrong, it is not really that unfair, as everybody can test their speed and decide which car offers the best chance of success.  They will be much more accurate if we race at Montlhery again in GT's.

For every race I usually try 2 or 3 cars before deciding which I think is best for me.  I never even tried the Porsche as I thought that it would be at a huge disadvantage on those long straights.... Hrsito proved my assumptions wrong, but I suspect that even he did not expect to win by such a margin.

I didn't expect to win, though I suspected the car should be fast enough to be a challenger without making any pitstops. Considering the errors I made and especially my big spin, and being stuck behind some cars losing time as well, I still won by too much of a margin. Then again, others didn't have a clean run either, so it's difficult to judge the difference in pace by the finishing results, and unnecessary. Lap times seem sufficient enough, although preferably you would want to look at lap times done by the same person, applying the same effort and driving them on the limit. Even then, some cars suit one driving style, some suit another, so it can never be perfect.

Am I right in thinking that Geoff drove for Hiki Waza last night? If so, I will need to reassign all the Hiki Waza points to Hiki Waza GT. Otherwise Clark-Hill will mysteriously enter the championship...

Cheers,

P.

Yes, a lack of data lead to a inaccurate forecast, it is simple to believe in this reason In another thd, I've suggested to open a race event announcement immediately after the one just finished, leaving so to each driver, the chance to try several cars suited for qualify, and having the time to post faster lap times on the site, so the manager may have a simpler work during wait times assignments.

Well, good question. He stepped in for us in the previous race at Spa I believe, but not sure if it's for this race as well, lol. I haven't heard from him since.

We (CH) didn't have an entry for Montlehry as I couldn't contact any of the team.....Al was away partying at a wedding. The Wazas can have my points if any for this race, however Al will be back for the next event, so if it's possible i will revert to my regular team.

Leaving aside the discussion over pit stop times , my race was tough right to the end.

Real life got in the way of sorting out the pitstop times before Thursday and I was not able to get any practice on the Montlhery circuit before Saturday. I remember a few races many years ago at this track and I knew that the Bomb hole and the chicane on the banking were places where it was easy to lose your car and the race.

I chose the Mk 1 Ford in desperation after a few trials with the 2F, 2D and the Mk4. The Chapps, for me, were pretty equal in pace ( around the 2:36 mark) and although the Mk4 was awesomely quick on the straights, I could not find the right gearing to negotiate the slower corners.

I had a setup for the Mk1 Ford that I had used elsewhere and it felt predictable and reasonably quick ( around 2:40). I suspected that other drivers would be quicker in the muscle cars and I actually totally discounted the Porsche even though it did not require a stop.  That shows how much I know!!!

I was VERY surprised to get 3rd on the grid and was even more surprised when I found myself still with Axel and Sergio after 2 laps of racing!!  They were fighting over the lead and allowing me to stay in touch. which suited me, as I had a much shorter stop to perform later in the race. Then the two of them tangled at the end of the return straight and I sneaked through into the lead.
I knew that I would struggle to hold off either the 2D or the Mk2 on the straight, but by pushing hard through the twisty bits I could make it harder for them to get past.
Once Sergio got past I decided to get my stop out of the way and swung into the pits. A few cars swept past ( Hristo amongst them..that was the only time I saw his Porker in the whole race!!!) When I rejoined the race I was on my own for a couple of laps until I came off the banking to see axel just leaving the pits. I pushed my Mk 1 through the gap between Axel and the wall as he tried to get up to speed and nailed the gas all the way down the straight, hoping to gain enough ground to still be in front at the bomb hole.

By maxxing out the twisty bits I held off Axel until he suddenly dropped back entering the back straight and I was clear and up to 2nd. Hristo was way out of sight and I thought that I had 2nd place in my pocket. Until....with 2 laps to go I saw Sergio move into 3rd spot and start to close the gap far too quickly for comfort!! :o

On the long straights Sergio was eating the gap and it did not take long before I could see the 2d in my mirrors!!!

1 lap to go and I only had about 500 mtrs lead as I crossed the S/F line. Exiting the twisty bit after the bomb hole and that was halved!!  eek!!!!! :scared: 
That poor Ford V8 engine was hammered to the red line for the rest of the lap, but still Sergi was closing. I actually thought as I got onto the banking that I might just have done enough to hold 2nd, but Sergio obviously had other ideas!!

Through that last chicane I was slightly careful not to make a dumb mistake and just nailed the gas on the exit, by now I could clearly hear that rumbling 2D. As I pushed towards the finish line there was suddenly a large white 2D in my mirrors!! and closing very fast.

Geeez but Sergio was trying hard. 

I breathed a huge sigh as I crossed the line, just 0.1 secs ahead of Sergio's charging 2D. Blimey that was close!!! :o

LOL Clive, I could not explain it better than you did!

This was an awfull race for me, to profit of my MK4s top speed I had to be in front, but those slower cars had less weight and cold brake later...
Then I did some mistakes, the worst was touching Sergios rear under the tow into this heavy braking lefthander... sorry!
Beeing so much faster on the straights was worse when you have a Porker in front into T2...  

I know this track very well and I remember there were some issues for some people with it.

No problem Axel, 1-0 for you, just keep it in account for my future draw LOL

P.S.: where  may I find the replay to download ?

I just do the upload...

(just the server replay file!)

Thanks for uploading that replay, Cookie.  I certainly owe you an apology for tipping you into a spin at the 2nd chicane in an early lap.  Geeezzz...  So sorry.  Not like it was a pass attempt or anything.  Who would in a 910 with the straights immediately following?  Guess I'll be on the carpet before the headmaster for that one.  :(

Not a bad race for me excepting for a buggered run through the bomb hole that got me into the trees and stuck.  Shift-R.  Grrr...  Oh, and a spin ala Axel's coming off the banking by arcing in a little too low.  Gotta mind that in future.

What a thrilling finish between Evil and Sergio!  WOWZER!  Great stuff, gents!

Grats to Hristo for taking the win although I must confess at being a little chagrined as I witnessed the two big offs that he suffered yet continued seemingly without harm.  How does he do it?  :)

I only remember one big off, when I clipped the hay bale on the outside of T2. Which other off do you mean?

Hi, Hristo!  :)

It was Lap7, the self-same lap that Phil tore off into the haybale on the exit of T2.  I was a couple of hundred metres behind you...and fearful that Phil would come tearing back onto the track and cream me; thankfully, he didn't...when, even from that distance, I could see that you got launched well and truly on the uphill portion of the bomb hole.  My replay cap showed you leaping high and hard into the guardrail but it re-directed you back on track.  My off there later...at a considerably slower speed...got me stuck in the trees.  Sigh...

Ah, yeah, I remember that.  ;D It wasn't so bad, I just landed into the armco and glided alongside.  :P