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The Sir Jack Brabham Invitational
 
It’s the moderators half term break – but there will be fun race on Sunday 28th for those who need their weekly fix of GPL.
 
I’m aware that Goodwood is prone to discos & whilst over risky for championship races it’s just too good to be ignored.
 
This will be a 1965 Mod race & restricted to either the BT7 or BT11. Those drivers who regularly compete in the higher leagues (Works / Pros) sho
uld take the BT7. Those in the middle (Inters) can make their own choice.
 
This will be a single race over 35 laps.

The race will not be moderated but you are requested to follow normal GPL rules & take a Stop & Go following every Reset.

Race List = IGOR
Server = T7
Race date = Sunday 28-10-2012
Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Track = http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=7173#entry65855
Race length = 35 laps
Variant = 1965
Damage Model = Intermediate
Qualifying time = max. 30 minutes

That was a shame, just getting in to a bit of a rhythm again and putting a few consistent laps together and got screen freeze. Never mind.

Some good racing going on there. Nice driving guys.

Looks like there was a big disco?!

Shame.

Yes it all ended in a mass disco...some of the dancing was excellent so I am told.  It looks like this track will have to go on the black list until Ginetto or someone can work their magic on it..very sad as I like this track.

First of all apologies to Gareth (at least I think it was Gareth, as there is no replay) for the contact at Woodcote.  My fault  :death:  I got surprised when you braked much earlier and harder than I do there, I had to stick it down the inside to avoid rear ending you and ended up alongside you at the apex.

Unfortunately GPL always punishes the car on the outside  :-\

Thanks to those who turned out & apologies for the end result.
Looks as though the server might have failed as my (& some others) screen blacked out. This was a bit differemt from the screen freeze that I've had with this track before. All things considered I guess we had best put Goodwood on the black list - which is a shame as its such a great circuit.
The race results are not going to be imported.

no problem clive it was 50/50 in my view. grats on the pole. I was particularly impressed by the moderators comment  when you piped me to pole, i nearly fell of my chair laughing, child!
I must appologies to some as was in the pack trying to make up places too quickly and was a bit arratic so sorry to anyone invloved, ended up spining for the third or fourth time and jacked it in.

any hoot, shame the track is no good for racing as its a nice track

:)

Goodwood sits 10km from the town where I grew up, so obviously, it's a good track for racing. 8)

Andreas helped out with the entertainment, this time around.  He came past me 3 different times whilst wavering towards a podium.  2nd time was an outside pass at Woodcote, which showed some daring on his part, and some forbearing on mine!  3rd time I left too much room, and parted company with a wheel. And soon after, things went black at the disco.  So, Unless there's a replay, the outcome will remain a mystery? 

As we have some empty race slots this week, is there any interest in holding a Can-Am race?  Or is Ukgpl waiting to be the last online organization to do this? :-\

Yes!
No!

Funny Martin should mention that. After the disco I d/loaded the Can-Am Mod and in ten minutes was blasting around Goodwood. Haha, loads of fun but of course the AI was no good as its not an official mod track. One thing though, it may be my ears but all the cars sound the same, wonder if I have a corrupted file?

How about a Can Am race at somewhere like Mid Ohio? a real Can Am track and a little different from our usual venues?

Can-Am's were mostly American big-block V8's.  Their voices were deep and rumbling - not really musical to the ear, nor easy to reproduce on small speakers.  The Porsche and Ferrari are more interesting though.  GT's have enclosed cockpits, so it's a mistake to rely on sound from other cars.  But these '71's are open, and it's important to listen for them, as realistic mirrors are not very helpful.   

The Ai are not very helpful either ATM.  Let's hope they receive an update in the future.  Until then, we might have to try racing online. :D

It's a good place to race, but needs learning.  New cars and new track together might be a major challenge, and if Cookie's organizing, he might already have chosen.  I hope we're given some advance notice as to our destiny, which I now request to see.  :chef:

EDIT  :  Just noticed the announcement for a Funrace tommorrow.  Cookie does not intend to Moderate afterwards, but makes us do a boring rolling start?  And only Porsches  to race with, when 8 cars are there to be learnt?  I would expect the men amongst us, to be able to handle a proper start, and more powerful cars.  I hope another Moderator will hold a Can-Am race sometime - I won't be racing at this one!  :P

BREASTS is doing now a regular CanAM at the CanAm Tracks on Wednesdays...

Me and you both Martin!

OK

Jops is cancelled!

I delete the thread

The market is open, for a Moderator who is interested in creating fun, and not destroying fun. :-\  The fairest solution to this startline question, would be a poll.  That way, noone would seem like a bad guy.   The only fair way to do that, would be to publish everyone's preference at the end.  And see if a Moderator wants to race them that way.

I apologise to Cookie for using some forceful language.  If there were more voices here, I would speak less strongly.  ???

Is the funrace turning into a furnace ???

I think there are 2 sides to the rolling start/grid start debate and both have their plus points.

The traditional grid start does place an extra responsibility upon the drivers skill and awareness and his ability to keep out of trouble for the first few corners. Often this means making decisions that avoid contact, even though it is another car that seems to be set on a collision course. It is perhaps more realistic in some regards, but experience has shown that we cannot rely on everyone behaving like gentlemen at every race, with the inevitable exit of cars and drivers at T1 or before. Maybe this is not too bad if you are allowed a shift/R and can at least rejoin the race at the back of the field. But in PRO races it is all over 10 seconds after the start if someone makes a wrong decision.

The rolling starts were introduced to get over the carnage at T1 and have generally been successful ( provided that all drivers realise that it is a rolling start and do not launch off the grid!!) My experience in modding the GT's has proved this and I do not think I have had any incidents worthy of note once people got used to the format of a rolling lap.

IMHO  and I do not wish to be unfair or patronising here, but with a grid start the faster drivers have the odds in their favour when it comes to the start. Just as in Real life there is an advantage in being on pole or the front row.
It is 99% likely that the front 2 rows will make a clean getaway and probably hold their positions through T1, simply because they are the quickest and probably "better" drivers. But they have fewer cars in front of them to worry about and no-one switching sides or making sudden avoiding moves.
Contrast that with the midfield cars. They have to contend with a car in front that maybe bogged down off the line and a few fast starting suicide jockey that is rocketing up from the rear of the grid intent on making up 10 places before T1!!
 I'm sure we have all seen this scenario ::).
Incidents usually happen because someone makes a sudden move ( braking or change of direction) to avoid contact with the car in front and this sets up a chain reaction. Often the poor victim is an entirely innocent driver who happens to be on the wrong bit of tarmac at the wrong moment in time.  Yes, that is what racing is partially about but it does kind of spoil the fun for the victim? :-\

I can see the appeal of rolling starts for every race, because it almost guarantees that drivers will survive T1, simply because there is not the congestion of cars all jockeying for position.

Maybe I am fortunate in that I usually find myself towards the front of any grid, but I know that when I occasionally find myself on row 8 I am very very worried about survival. :scared:

I guess what I am trying to say is, that there should be room for both type of starts, and that it is a balance between the real adreniline rush and danger of a grid start along with the chance of your race ending very quickly or the Rolling start where you are unlikely to make up many places in the first lap but are more likely to at least be in the same position as you started at the end of Lap 1 and still running?

I think Cookie should still run the Jops race tonight, we still have plenty of spare slots to fit in a Can AM race with a grid start at another venue. My suggestion of Mid Ohio was simply that... a suggestion for a future race NOT as an alternative to Axel's proposed race tonight.