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THIS POST IS FOR THE LIGHT & HEAVY RACES
SPECIAL CHASSIS ALLOCATION FOR THIS RACE ONLY

Round 8 of the Formula 2 European Tour has been rescheduled to Hockenheim. Using the 1967 layout the track has some long fast straights through the forest & a more twisty stadium section.

This track will seriously disadvantage drivers in the handicap cars & there are special chassis allocation rules for this track only. Rounds 9 & 10 will revert to the normal handicap rules for the top three drivers in each Division. As this is UKGPL’s first F2 championship race at Hockenheim, where the great Jim Clark met an untimely end in a F2 race every driver is invited to take the Lotus 48. It is not compulsory & you may use a different chassis if you wish.
The handicaps for each Division will, therefore be:
LIGHTS Hristo – Ferrari, Brabham BT14 or Lotus 48. Evil Clive &  Natan -  Ferrari, Brabham BT14, Cooper or Lotus 48.
HEAVY Rainier – Ferrari, Brabham BT14 or Lotus 48. Phil Thornton & Franceso -  Ferrari, Brabham BT14, Cooper or Lotus 48.

The series will be run on two separate grids; The Lights (on T7) & the Heavys (on UKGPL 3). Please ensure you join the correct race. The Driver list is shown below & the Championship Table can be found here F2 European Tour (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=366&theme=6)

Unlimited resets are allowed but every Shift R must be followed by a Stop & Go in the pit lane. If you Reset on the last lap a 30 second time penalty will be awarded.
Incidents should be reported in the usual way.

In line with other divisions the races will be subject to full moderation  in the red zone which will be to the apex of the Ostkutrve The Moderator may chose to investigate any other incident, in addition to reported incidents & red zone incidents.

Please note that for Season 23 UKGPL has introduced a system of penalties within each series  for drivers accumulating yellow cards – see here
Penalty Points (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=10879.0). Drivers incurring these penalties will receive a PM advising when a penalty has been applied & what race it should served.

LIGHT	HEAVY
Al Hellar	Badblood
Alex Barresi	Bernie
Cookie	Billy Nobtrakes
Evil Clive	Dave Curtis
Fulvio	Francesco
Goran	Geoff
John Roberts	Giovanni
Mark Barresi	Il Lupo
Nicky Ickx	Jonny O
Ron C	Phil Thornton
Robert John	Rainier
Magic Arisoulle	Jonny
Clutch	xxxxx
Blito	xxxxx
Hristo	Paul Bird
Arf Arf	Rog UK
Natan	Derek Flint
Skymole	Miniblood / the Mayor
Raoni Frizzo	xxxxx
Tom G	xxxxx
A Monteiro	xxxxx

Race List = IGOR Server = UKGPL3 & T7 Race date = Friday 09-11-2012 Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT) Track = Hockenheim (http://dixierunners.speedgeezers.net/Hockenheim/) Race length = 20 Laps Variant = 1967 Formula 2 Damage Model = Intermediate Qualifying time = max. 30 minutes

T7 server is set to 20 laps Long race and listening on Igor with OpenGL_V2.
Ciao

HEAVY Rainier – Ferrari, Brabham BT14 or Lotus 48. Phil Thornton & Franceso -  Ferrari, Brabham BT14, Cooper or Lotus 48.

...Lotus 48 on Hockenheim track : remember me a sad 07th April 1968  :'(

 :( I cant show up for this race. Huge family meeting ....
gla

Jim Clark....R.I.P

huge lump in my throat at the thought .

R.I.P. Jim

There was no works Lotus 48 in Hockenheim 1967!

http://www.formula2.net/F267No14.htm
and
http://www.formula2.net/F267No19.htm

But some other great drivers...

I fell in love with the Protos when I saw them racing.

" Fastest Lap: Brian Hart, 2'00.0" = 203.705 km/h "

Just had a practice in the Lotus 48 on UKGPL_3 with Martin (Maddog).  The Lotus 48 is pretty good here (with a draft) so it will be more fun than pottering around in a Ferrari or BT14.

Hope David and Fran are taking the Lotus too, looking forward to a decent race trying to hang onto Bernie in a Matra (not sure it will be possible LOL).

Weirdly I cannot join via iGOR. Tells me track is not installed. Fine joining via IP.

Hope nobody else gets this.

Check what season.ini is linked to the F2 mod.
Ciao

I HATE HOCKENHEIM

Thanks Fulvio - tried that :(

I had set my grid time on full tanks and without the aid of a tow so was hoping to do well in the race , I was using my SPA set up but had forgotten all  about the tall 1st gear fitted for La Source hairpin which turned out to be useless for the start  and I got swallowed up by a good few cars  .

All was going well once underway taking it easy till the tyres came up to temp and soon began challenging the front runners , much enjoying the race but it didnt last long , got stuffed going into the complex ending up on two wheels , then my PC crashed in simmpathy  (see what I did there)  ;)

Grats to the Podium boys and all who finished 

That was a very enjoyable race.  Once JonnyO got into the lead and broke the tow there was no way to catch him unless he made a mistake which he didn't.  Well done and congratulations on your first on-line race win. :clap:

In the early stages the race was hectic; I was keeping a close eye on Dave Rainier (my main challenger for the title) but there were several other cars all fighting for second spot as JonnyO disappeared up front.  The draft on the long straights ensured nobody could make a break for it but as people made mistakes the group gradually thinned out and so for the majority of the race I was just fighting with Dave Rainier and Dave Curtis.  We had an epic battle with some very close clean racing.  At one point there was some quite bad warp (my latency bar was very high), not sure if it was my connection or not but thankfully it settled down again after 3 or 4 laps.

With just 2 rounds left I'm still second in the championship but since I already have 2 zero scores (because of races I missed) then, unlike Dave Rainier, all the points I score in the last two rounds will count towards my total.  I just hope I don't miss either of the last two races!!!!

Nice win JonnyO !!
Nobody was able to follow you after the 1st lap.
After 20 laps, you were only 3 seconds slower than the LIGHT winner (Al).

Well done Phil, I was hoping Dave Curtis made an error or would have been quicker than us (in fact he really was but curiously he could not take advantage of his quickness) so we could have a direct fight.
I thought you were in the same team because, after he spun at the entry of the stadium, Dave was somethink like 5 or 6 seconds behind us ...but he could rejoin after only 2 laps ! Then strangely, he could not overtake you !
I am sure Dave would have been able to fight with JonnyO, that was not possible for our Lotus 48.
I would like to know how many British pounds you gave him  :D (I am joking, of course)

As you wrote, you have now 262 real points, me only 225 (274-49) and Dave 206 (225-19), so if you don't miss one of the two last races, you should easily win !

But be sure I will do my best for the 2 last races (and I clearly prefer Bremgarten and Jops Siffert tracks than Hockenheim)  ;D

It was a very tactical race.  JonnyO proved that once the faster car was ahead it would just pull away.  Our only chance of beating Dave Curtis was to keep him behind.  I was a bit quicker in the stadium section which allowed me to build enough of an advantage to stay ahead of him down to the Ostkurve.  Then I almost always drove down the right hand side of the track back to the stadium section (no weaving to break the tow and no changing direction down the straight to block so it was a completely legal tactic) which meant that Dave would always have to go the long way round on the outside at the first right hander (don't know the name) into the stadium.  He tried it a couple of times (lap 7 and lap 12) but each time he went wide and spun.  But as you say he was much quicker in clear air so caught us up pretty quickly.  The last lap was the toughest, if you check the replay I was locking all 4 wheels and absolutely on the limit in order to keep Dave behind.  After such a clean exciting race I would have been very disappointed if my race had ended there!

A couple of times we were side by side down the long straights with Dave and James desperate to get past.  A Lotus road block LOL.

If you win both races the maximum you can score is 325.  If Dave wins both races the maximum he can score is 306.  So "all" I need to do is score 64 points to secure the championship.  That is easier said than done with a chassis disadvantage but I must admit I am in a strong position. 

I almost forgot, I checked the server replay to try to find out what caused the bad warp around lap 12.  From both your car and mine the warp looks similar so that might mean it was a server issue?  Curiously my copy of GPL crashed when I tried to play the server replay past lap 12 ???

64 points to secure the championship is just to be 4th the two times. As you already won 4 times (only 1 for Dave, Francesco, Jonny and me) and missed 2 races, it should not be difficult and you fully deserve to win the F2championship .
Moreover with only 8 or 9 cars at the start.
yesterday, we were 9 and the "lights" were 6. Only one server (like in the historic 66 series) would have been great.

It's exactly the opposite on mod67 Privateers, we were 19 and maybe for the next race some of us will not be able to participate  :( 

 I thought there was something wrong with my in Qualy time :o maybe one warp?

  Actually not quite understand why my car was so fast  8)
  I think the mclaren should be strong at this track  ;) impressive as it was easy to brake and curves :thumbup1:

 but I could not explain why, downright !

 thank you
 I was very very happy  :jumpjoy:

Disappointing turnout but despite that, thanks to the slipstream (which to me seems a more sensible level in this mod) we had a thrilling 3-way battle for the lead that lasted all 20 laps. Me, Cookie, Clive & Goran all took turns out front but despite our best efforts, nobody ever managed to strike out on their own & break the tow. Clive was impressively wringing the neck out of his underpowered Lotus to push up into the lead, but when he slid wide in front of Cookie's path I thought at last my chance had arrived to make a break for it. No such luck as Goran immediately arrived to take their place & despite our rather gentlemanly sharing of the tow (probably both desperate to shake off that pest Clive ;) ) the Evil one soon loomed back into view. Fortunately for us Clive suffered a fuel issue on the last lap & I just about managed to hold my run up the inside of Goran as we entered the stadium section for the final time. It was of course nice to take a win, but really enjoyed the many laps of such close & fair racing  :thumbup1:          

lol Al. A few laps on the practice server before the race confirmed my suspicion that the Lotus , although better than the Fez or BT14, was only slightly better than the Cooper. It was never going to outdrag the Protos or the Matras, so I had to come up with another cunning idea. ::)

I failed to pick up a tow in the quali session for the race and so was left at the back of the 6 car grid. This did not worry me unduly, as I figured that this race would be decided on the final lap. The potential pace of all 6 drivers meant that, even if a single car got away in 1st spot, it would not take long for a couple of chasing cars to use slipstream to close the gap again.

So I geared my Lotus with very high gears so that I could at least use any slipstream to stay in touch.

starting at the back, my only concern was not to get involved in someone else's incident and find myself left too far behind to pick up a tow and I was amazed to see cars in front taking quite big risks ( at least they seemed risky to me!!) on the first few laps. I was content to sit back and get pulled along.

My gearing was working well and I could easily live with the race pace provided I was within the slipstream, often lifting slightly to avoid getting too close. It was clear that no-one had a massive speed advantage and the first of my only 2 moments of concern happened when Hristo and Natan scattered car bits across the S/F straight and I had to take avoiding action which lost me ground just before the long straight. But I was able to close up relatively easily. Goran who had gone off earlier was now a distant 4th and I was running in comfy 3rd behind Axel and Al...... :scooter: nice ;D.

Once again I sat in the tow. Until I realised that Goran was reeling us in and this was going to become a 4 way fight!! So I tried to inject some pace by drafting past Al and Axel, hoping that they would respond by upping their pace. Instead it seems that we ended up racing each other and Goran closed even quicker!! lol

I started to rehearse where I could make my move on the last lap with about 12 laps to go and realised that I was possibly quicker through the stadium section. So, I had to lead going into the stadium if I wanted the win. I tried a few different approaches over the next laps and realised that the move would have to start way back at the S/F line. I needed to stay in the tow down to Ostkurve and be sure that I was in 2nd spot as exited there but not too close to the leader. With my extra high 5th gear I could slingshot up the inside as we entered the stadium and outbrake the leading car into that crucial right hander.

One of my rehearsals went a little wrong and I outbraked myself and ran wide. :-\ I prevented the car from spinning on the grass and was able to rejoin a short distance behind Al and Goran, but Axel appeared to have gone off at the same corner? I hope it was not as a result of contact Axel? I felt nothing?? :(

My second moment of panic was seeing the 2 leaders  about 400mtrs in front and my virtual tow rope dragging behind them. I had to get back on their tails or it was all over!!

The next few laps were rather unfair on my Lotus as I hit max revs in each gear and tested the tyres to their limit through Ostkurve and the stadium. I was losing out on the straights but gaining more through the corners and slowly, very slowly their cars got bigger  :)
With about 4 laps to go I was back in the hunt and settled behind to catch my breath and get ready for an epic last lap effort. Imagine my horror when with 2 laps to go I happened to glance at my fuel pressure...............35psi!!!! :o Rats!!
I kept up the race pace until the run down to the Ostkurve on the final lap, but by then it was clear that unless I backed off I would not make the finish.
So I trundled around the reast of the lap and entered the stadium showing  5psi...as I exited the final corner it was 0 psi and I just limped over the line for 3rd.

maybe that was as good as I could have expected in the Lotus, but for a while in that race I was dreaming of a top step possibility lol Grats to Al and Goran for some great close racing..sorry I could not be with you at the end.

I got a decent start but lack of practice saw me get passed several times from using the wrong gear at the same corner several times. I also managed to tag bernie and although it seemed a minor touch it sent him cartwheeling..sorry Bernie. When I finally found a rhythm I tagged onto the back of the trio fighting for second which was great fun while it lasted. I got out of shape slowing for the ostkurve and went on the grass and through a distance marker which had considerable mass and was firmly fixed to the ground.. After a shift-r and stop n go I was on my own for a while until I caught billy who seemed to have an issue as I passed him easily but I kept an eye on prib and billy was not getting dropped but reeling me in, obviously sorted any issues. It was an exciting last few laps but billy got me in the complex on the last lap. Really enjoyable and congratulations to the podium.

Strange things happen !

Just looked at the server replay at the point where my PC crashed entering the stadium complex at the end of lap 2 and exactly the same thing happened at the same point , just after Johnny launches me . but it only happens in cockpit view  ::)

some sort of spike maybe or just to much info for the GFX card to handle ?

Bernie there are updates for Hockenheim!

This CTD entering the stadium "Motodrom" was in the old version, I give you the fixes
 
http://www.sendspace.com/file/gqsdn5
and
http://www.sendspace.com/file/7cam9t

Thanks Axel , I'm pretty sure I have the latest version of Hocky on board ,  dont see the harm in trying them anyway , though the words Horse and Stable Door come to mind  ;D

Where can I find the replays? the link above between LM2 and Rules does nothing for me.
Thanks
John

Click on the big "UKGPL home to racing banner".  That will get you to the UKGPL Homepage.  On the homepage there is a link to replays under Navigation.  That link takes you to UKGPL3.  All the replays are available via the links in the left panel.

Well, for what otherwise looks like a boring track with 'underpowered' cars;  there seemed to be something happening ALL the time!

I was sure I'd driven round here before; but when I took a spin round on Thursday - I found that all the chicanes were missing!  Maybe I've not driven round here in a GPL car & was from a previous time in TIR;  so that was not recent/not much help...  Still, with about 4 corners in total at least I could remember which way the next one was going, although the degree of turnyness was maybe a little hit & miss.

Still, with a pre-event/1st time of 2:04 [prib suggesting a potential 2:03] I took out the suggested Lotus 48 which fared a little better at high 2:02.
Come the race though,  I opted for the UKGPL3 suggested Lola again.   Very surprised to have managed as well as a high 2:02 in qually/practice [with suggestion of a very high 2:01 being possible].

I consider myself to have been rather misplaced during the race.  I really should not have been up there with fellow team-mate Phil & Dave :) 
ok, so they were both restricted car-selection wise - but with the '48 Lotus being that popular, surely it can't be a right dog?!

I was aware they were the up the sharp-end of the championship,  so was maybe giving far too much room.  To my detriment a couple of times on the right-turn into the stadium complex,  but hey - at least I slept well afterwards.   They were at each other the entire race; was a pleasure to have that close to see most of it!

There was a period of time when both of them were engaging their cloaking devices;  so felt prudent to leave a little more room whilst that lasted.

In the end,  I just could just not get that wheezing Lola ahead.   In pre-race,  I did find though that I was managing about 164mph top-end;  but during the race saw about 172mph.  Maybe that was down to having a good tow then?!

I am very pleasantly surprised to have taken provisional 3rd spot.  Looking back at the replay,  I reckon that if Dave had not have had a slight mishap on the really tight bit on about the last time around,  he'd probably have been past me.   Can't see how that FL came about either, but presumably was due to a very good tow!


So..err..  I suppose leads onto the question;  what's the point of actually having those white lines towards the edge (inside?!) of the track?  Do they actually mean anything?  ;)


Cheers all - was quite a work-out in the end,
Dave.

White lines - to lesser road users, they are impregnable walls, broken only by use of left/right indicator beams.  To many, they are guidelines used for revenue collection, by the constabulary.  On a race track, they indicate a general direction, and should be used as decoration. :D

Shirly the white lines are used to seperate the race track form the car park   ::)

As long as they keep making driveable areas past the white lines, the temptation to use those is too much, especially when the line taken by going over them feels a lot more natural. Since it's not like it takes any extra skill to do the same as everyone else (and it's much harder to try and keep within a line you can't see until you're close to it), I don't see it as a problem at all.

20.2 of the F1 Driving Regulations:

"Drivers must use the track at all times. For the avoidance of doubt the white lines defining the track edges are considered to be part of the track but the kerbs are not."

GPL may be a game but it IS a simulation of F1. The rules and regulations tend to reflect that. Within the context of our game, it is not an issue if you leave the defined track but it does put you into a rejoin situation so make sure you don't interfere with anyone.

Sense of humour failure. Maybe. That is how the rules are interpreted though.

I can't remember how many times someone has quoted this already, lol, so no need to do it again. I'm telling you that if everyone agrees to use part of the track outside the white lines, it's perfectly fine. Rules are not always there to be obeyed blindly, but to serve as a guideline. We need flexible rules, not rules set in stone. If the majority choose to go beyond a white line somewhere and you insist on not doing so, it's your own fault and nobody else's. Why not just go outside the line as well, especially if (as I said) it's much easier than trying to stick to a line you can't even see. This is particularly true on corner exits or entries. I wonder if you even read my post...

To me cutting is when you cut the inside of a corner to gain an advantage, but even then there are exceptions, such as when you have more than 1 white line, like in Mexico.

Agree with Hristo.  I was involved in a dispute last season, after choosing to go outside the white lines, to steer clear of a hazardous driver.  My path was then actively blocked, and I was considered guilty for not keeping to the grass. ::) 
 
So, now the threat is, we might soon be found guilty of racing on the track, but in places where the lines say we're naughty?  Arbitrary rules of the road, don't always make sense at the track.  I would suggest we keep to sensible racing rules, which don't detract from our racing. 8)

If you choose to leave the race track, you can do so but you are voluntarily putting yourself in a Rejoin situation.

It may be easier to drive that way and the rules will be applied in as pragmatic a way as possible but you don't get the choice to ignore the definition of the track. It would be much quicker to cut certain corners. If the majority of drivers agreed to do it, that would not make it acceptable.

Cutting a corner is cutting a corner whether or not you gain an advantage. If you do gain an advantage you risk being penalised.

And yes, I did read your post.

@Maddog: Martin, there is no "threat" - I am just clarifying the rules.

Incidentally, as a rule is defined as "An authoratative regulation" it cannot, by definition, be flexible. The flexibility comes in the application of the rules, which is a subtle, but important difference.

Well said Paul  :)

It's very easy to say "the rule says so" and just close your eyes, but don't you realize rules are never perfect and do not cover all possible situations? It's much more difficult to be flexible and look at each situation as its own separate instance, rather than blindly apply rules to each and every one. So in my eyes you're just choosing the easy way and not looking at things beyond what the rules say. Rules which by the way were made up by people, not imposed on them from above.

I'm not really sure if you are aware, but drivers here and in other leagues have been "cutting" corners all the time, in various locations on various tracks, and nobody ever got penalized. It's not like we started racing yesterday, so I find it rather odd that you try and preach about cutting. Most of us have enough experience with this thing to know what seems plausible and what not. In our eyes it looks more like you suddenly try to impose your own interpretation on what's allowed, after a decade or more of doing it our way. What exactly stops you from, let's say, go beyond the white line on the exit of the penultimate corner at Hockenheim? Is it not just your own refusal to do so, rather than feeling obliged to obey rules? It's not like it takes more skill or anything like that, anyone can do it, and it actually feels way more natural than sticking to an imaginary line.

Oh and one more thing - I'm pretty sure nobody cared about white lines in the 60s, with the nature of the tracks back then. It's not modern F1, tracks are not so well defined, ideal lines are not so rigid, the grip is lower and it is up to the driver to find the shortest route around. Even in modern F1 there are constantly exceptions at some tracks, particularly with flat kerbs, and nobody gets penalized. As I said, I agree on cutting when it's to gain an advantage such as at a chicane or completely going beyond the apex repeatedly, but apart from that, it's just about each driver trying to maximize his own performance. It's what makes driving a creative experience, an art, rather than a routine exercise. Nobody ever started racing because they loved to and wanted to obey such rules LOL.

Just so it's not just talk, watch this Mexico lap of old or just download any Mexico WR lap, and observe the car's line vs. the white line. Considering WRs are valid and the majority of people accept such driving lines to be valid, I find it rather odd that you try to impose some different interpretation here, just because "the rule says so" :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEw_QvsnJFE

I just wanted to verify Hristos Hockenheim theory and found this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJceYPAOQhU&feature=relmfu

Jochen Rindt does very clean laps without "leaving" the track in the corners, only into T1 he cuts a little.

To me it seems the last 4-5 corners after the Sachskurve are more banked than we have them in GPL.

This was my second F1 race I saw live, the first was at Nurby 1968.

I am well aware of it. But your assertion that no driver was ever penalized for it is not true. c.f. Adelaide Novices S21 here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=9077#event2396).

Has it ever occurred to you to wonder why the modding takes so long?

I would be quite happy with this lap - there are no incidents.

However, although you assume that nobody reads your posts fully, you either do not read mine properly or misconstrue them purposefully.

I was attempting to clarify the rules, and how they are applied, for all of you. I have emphatically said that you can place the car where you will on or off the race track but that if you do, you risk getting penalized if there is an incident once you rejoin the track. WR laps are just a red herring as they are done solo, so a Rejoin never arises.

I don't think I can be any clearer and within this thread that will be my final post.

I get what you're saying, but in that case would you say the car on the inside has the right to squeeze the car which has gone beyond the white line, because you assume the car on the outside is actually off-track? I see this kind of rule would lead to a lot more incidents, since knowing this, drivers on the inside would intentionally close doors/squeeze those who have gone beyond the white line, instead of leaving enough room.

@Axel - if they had ideally clean and uniform surface in reality like we do in GPL, drivers would have used a lot more road than they did. It's always about exploring the limits. Also, it comes down to how tracks are made for GPL as well, because if someone chooses to place a white line somewhere which contradicts with the natural racing line, I don't see how following that white line on purpose would make any sense. Let's use common sense instead. It's easier, safer and most of the time, natural.

It's not well advertised, but testing has been done in the past, to determine the abilities of public road users.  And apparently, 98% of us can judge from experience, the safe speed to drive at.  We have road sense.  I believe many of our nations traffic laws, were written to help those 2%, and as a source of income from the remaining 98%. :-\

I would hope we are without that 2% at Ukgpl, and that our rules and refinements, are not oriented towards them.  The revenue is less rewarding. :P

For the car on the inside to be able to squeeze the car outside the line, it would have to have very significant overlap. Since the purpose of going beyond the line is to carry speed this could not arise unless you were attempting an overtake by going outside the line. If the car on the inside deviates from his line and contact is made they would get penalised. If they hold their line they have 'right of way' but it would be an extraordinary situation. The car on the outside would also have to be all four wheels off to be rejoining. Leave any part of the car on the line and you can't get squeezed.

Nonetheless I take the point but I am pretty confident we would be able to sort the sheep from the goats...

Nurby 68 !!!
Did you see anything with the heavy rain ? I think it was one of the more beautiful win of J. Stewart.
One year later, it was a fantastic win of J. Ickx against ...J. Stewart !

No!
This was a strange experience, we were somewhere in the woods with lots of mud, seeing the cars 7 times for one corner...  ::)
I was used to see all the action going in the Hockenheim stadium  ;D

Excluded from Enna race but I have failed the entrance of the pit not the pit-stop!In  time I have payed much more than a normal pitstop.

I suggest you post this in the Enna race thread.

Noted Francesco.

The Enna moderation has been amended.
Please note that if there is a delay in taking a SnG please file a report - it makes the moderating a bit easier. 

Moderation now published.

What was I supposed to do, Billy, go off so Natan can take my part of the road? Please explain, because I can't really understand your point of view... To call this a racing incident when he obviously knew where I was in the previous corner and yet choose to open the door despite the fact I was on the outside, it's illogical to me.