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Round 9: The Intermediates Trophy stays in Europe and gets glamorous. Monaco, home of the beautiful and a wonderful anachronism. We don't have to deal with the swimming pool but it is still pretty hard round here. No stopping for a beer at the Rascasse bar either - not on this version of the track. Mind you, I have had a beer there and it isn't the best bar in the world but the view is good. This though is the Papyrus regular - Monaco 1967. Monaco is a tight twisting circuit, with heavy braking into several low speed turns. Will drivers please take additional care & avoid any rash overtaking moves. This track is all about concentration & patience.

In line with the new handicapping system, only the series leader is currently chassis restricted. Nobody else has enough points. BT7 should go well here. Driver skill is the biggest factor but patience plays a big part too.

Handicapped Driver(s)	Allowed Chassis
Ronniepeterson	BT7

Please check the Season 23 pages for details (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=359&theme=6) regarding rules and the Intermediates Trophy (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=363&theme=6) pages in particular.

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Race List = iGOR
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Race date = 27/11/2012
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Race length = 29 laps
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Sorry, I'm not gonna be able to make this one :-(

I'll be back for Monza, though it means I've only managed 60% of the attendance.  I'd hoped for more.

See you at Monza, and I'll be around for the new season for sure.

Yet another early bath.... this time taken out by a driver who you would normally expect to know better :(
Not going to submit an incident report as this guy doesn't normally drive like a cock... I think he just made an exception for me out of his fustration at being bottled up behind my rather wide Lotus!
Pity really... I think a podium finish was on the cards :(

  Bravo podium!!!

  And Skymole, I sorry!

Sorry Jason. With Monza in the BT7 coming next, this was my last chance to get some big points in the championship. Having said that I'm not here to ruin anyones race. It was a good scrap we had going on and a shame it ended in tears. My spin, my fault for driving like a cock as you say. No hard feelings from me if you do decide to submit a report. Apologies again.

Grats to Gareth and Norm.

bad luck ray, tis the naure of the beast at monaco, one mistake and thats it. you were right behind me then 15 sec back so i didn't need to push on any more, if i had to continue flat out, who knows. grats on second anyway and to norm, bad luck to those who didn't see the flag, anyone who finished did well, glad thats done to be honest.

See you all at monza

BT7 or Cooper at Monza Ray. By my reckoning you need 4th or better if Gareth wins but he might not!

I will try and get the Moderation out within the week. It is important, obviously. Any incident ASAP please.

I think its a bit academic as Ray will poduim at worse, but erm, IF i can win and he finishes 4th we will both have 319. who wins then?

Yep - you are right Gareth. Ray needs a podium. If you end up equal you win by virtue of more 1st places.

I really hate such track, that's all!! :taz:

I think the maths needs checking as 10th and 17 points should be enough to hold off Clutch, Gareth and Dave? Happy to take the Cooper or BT7 regardless. Also lets not pre judge any incident reports/moderation for the Monaco race.

Only your best eight count, as you scored in all rounds you drop your worst two, I will have only started 7 races so all my scores will count

Just a point on winning by virtue of more 1st places, should that be right? As Ray's points have been gained in a handicapped car, surely that should count in his favor if it came down to being equal on points.

i think the number of wins as a secondary deciding factor is traditional across most mostor sport, the issue here is the handicap is too much of a handicap at some tracks, there is no victory in beating someone around monza who's in a BT7, especially when theres a championship riding on it.

The handicap hasn't really worked that well. In retrospect, I think that the handicap should have applied from Race 2 (not Race 4) and that way you might have had a few changes in the lead - you could then abandon handicapping with two or three races to go.

Happy with my 3rd place qually time & 3rd place finish. Ronnie too fast & Gareth was off my radar completely!. Like Gareth I'm glad its done with. Frankly I think everyone who finished should congratulate themselves. By the way check out Johnny's impressive qually pole time in Novices ::).
Monza - Many a dream has ended in the Parabolica gravel trap, or a blown engine. Remember that.
Norm H

Just trying to sow some seeds of doubt with the maths earlier  ;) I need all the help I can get with the BT7/Cooper at Monza  :'(

My thoughts on this are quite simple. The handicapping rules were outlined to everyone at the start of the championship. I know that the rules also state "handicapping may be suspended on a race by race basis if the circumstances warrant it", but I say stick as we are Paul.

With the typical full grid for the final race, achieving that podium finish to hang onto the championship lead will be a very tall order.  Particularly with Clutch, Gareth, Dave, Norm et al in faster machinery. Note subject to any moderation my position may be even worse.

But I am happy to race in the BT7/Cooper for Monza. Why? Because failing in a BT7/Cooper or a Lotus would be a disappointing and frustrating end to a hard fought season. But at least in a BT7/Cooper it will be a lot of fun trying.

As for number of wins, lets hope it does not come to that.

Actually I've always been confused about that. On the UKGPL rules page under 'Scoring' (https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/rules/scoring (https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/rules/scoring)) it states that unless otherwise stated we use the Srou classification in the event of a tie & that goes like this:

In the event of a tie on points, the following criteria will be applied in order:

    Number of events entered within the championship
    Best finish in class
    Best finish overall
    Best qualifying position in class
    Best qualifying position overall
    Most number of wins in class, or 2nd places if tied on wins, and so on down to 6th place.
    Most number of wins overall, or 2nd places if tied on wins, and so on down to 6th place.
    Most number of class poles in class, or 2nd place qualifying if tied on poles, and so on down to 6th place.
    Most number of class poles overall, or 2nd place qualifying if tied on poles, and so on down to 6th place.

If none of the above resolve the tie then it will remain.

Personally I prefer the number of wins/2nds/3rds, etc countback as used in most real life racing series, but I've always wondered which system we would actually use in the event of a tie?

link for SROU rules https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=6f1e2ed19efac634e5a453ab46a25112&topic=3349.msg54451#msg54451 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=6f1e2ed19efac634e5a453ab46a25112&topic=3349.msg54451#msg54451)

it might be an idea to have spa, monza etc at the start of the season before the handicap is applied.

I suspect that would defeat the object of the handicapping of the faster drivers at faster tracks.

yeah maybe. i think your right about rules are rules and we all now them at start but mabe they can be tweaked for next season thats all.

Agreed. Well driven and good luck.

I have thought about this fairly hard and I would like to dispense with the handicap for Monza. Doesn't mean you can't take the Cooper though....

Personally i'm a bit baffled as i leave the Maths and Team Strategy to my Team mate, NHance.

I thought Ronnie had it all done and dusted but it doesn't appear to be the case??

I'd like to see Monza being a free for all with no handicapping personally, but respect the Mods decision.

I have no clue what i have to do to win the Championship, so will just keep it on the island stuff and will see where i end up.  ;)

You can't win Clutch but because Gareth has no points to drop he can score 50 points. Ronnie must drop a score so can score a maximum of 29. He has to drop 21 points. If he finishes second he will get 22 points and third will give 15 points and fourth 11 points and so on.

Mod published. Well done all.

 :'( no chance.
Thank you Paul.

Great work Paul, must have taken hours :D

It did... 0.00001 Hours ;)

well despite huge sums changing hands it seems is come down to a fair and square race, huh?  :angel:

I don't believe that you can watch the red zone in such a time  :P

The huge sums were needed to work out the combinations of points possible ;)

Actually, watching the Red Zone was very boring and took approximately 10 minutes. It was somewhat quicker than the Novices Red Zone <ahem>. Mind you, I knew where to head for the action in the Novs race...  ::)