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Title: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: phspok on December 25, 2012, 12:38:45 AM +0000
(http://i1275.photobucket.com/albums/y444/MJ_p911/escortoulton_zps4813aaf2.jpg)
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Practice: 19:20 (GMT) (65 mins)
Qual 2: 20:25 (20 mins)
Race: 20:45 ~ (23 laps)
Cars allowed: Escort TC (All), Alfa 1750, ALfa 2.0 '72 ONLY, Renault Alpine 1300, Mini 1275.

Track: Oulton Park "Classic" ( No Chicanes) Download and install this (http://gizmo71.www.idnet.com/srou/ukgtr/tracks/SRou_OultonPark2005_2.0.1.0.exe)
Time of Day Setting: 13:00
Weather: Dry
Start: Standing

Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal
Pit-stops: None required

Server: simracing.org.uk BHC
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Championship Standings (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=384&theme=34)

Notes:
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Excessive cutting of corners will seen as cheating and the results may be altered to reflect


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: Hotkeys on December 25, 2012, 08:55:02 AM +0000
Nice set of cars IMO. I'll be looking forward to these races ;D

Stig


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: Clive Loynes on January 25, 2013, 03:29:41 PM +0000
Having trouble with installing the track
Says "Installer integrity check failed".

I have copied the track over from my v2 install instead but there is no server up to see if it is going to work.  :(


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: Hotkeys on January 25, 2013, 04:38:44 PM +0000
Having trouble with installing the track
Says "Installer integrity check failed".

I have copied the track over from my v2 install instead but there is no server up to see if it is going to work.  :(

I've uploaded a no-installer version here. http://www.gamefront.com/files/22885465/_OultonPark2005

Just unzip it and put it in the locationfolder

Stig


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: Mark J on January 25, 2013, 05:01:35 PM +0000
Vroom vroom  :)

(http://i1275.photobucket.com/albums/y444/MJ_p911/escortoulton_zps4813aaf2.jpg)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: Clive Loynes on January 25, 2013, 05:32:02 PM +0000
Having trouble with installing the track
Says "Installer integrity check failed".

I have copied the track over from my v2 install instead but there is no server up to see if it is going to work.  :(

I've uploaded a no-installer version here. http://www.gamefront.com/files/22885465/_OultonPark2005

Just unzip it and put it in the locationfolder

Stig
Shouldn't that be the same as transferring it from my old install?
Anyway, I've had to remove it again because it was stopping my PnG from booting up.
The track folder has a "_" in front of the name, is that messing it up?


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 25, 2013, 06:59:52 PM +0000
Clive, I've just successfully downloaded and installed the track using the link in the race announcement. I did have Windows 7 ask me if the program had installed correctly. I said "yes" and after testing, found it had. I'll pop onto the server now and get that track installed and running for you.

And yes it should have "_" in front of the name.

EDIT: Now running on the server


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: Clive Loynes on January 26, 2013, 10:58:40 AM +0000
Thanks Tony,

I'll try another download but I've done two already with the same result.

When I transferred the track over I was able to use it but when I tried to resart PnG afterwards it encountered an error.

I removed the track and PnG booted up as it should.

EDIT:  Yep, it has installed for me now.  Just hope it works.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: phspok on January 26, 2013, 06:14:41 PM +0000
The one I used for testing ended in .1.0 the one in the link ends .10 bith seem identical
I have reinstalled using the link version and I can connect on line or off line fine.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: Clive Loynes on January 26, 2013, 07:23:27 PM +0000
I have managed to get it up and running by installing another track and then going back and installing Oulton.

But if I have grasped the right end of the stick, the server is running the wrong track, rotten thing is full of chicanes, and why can I only see one Twincam online?


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: phspok on January 26, 2013, 10:56:48 PM +0000
Server was running Fosters, not Classic, My fault for confusing Tony by saying "international" in the title page.
Not sure why only one TC, myabe it's the one that fits best , I will test Sunday,


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 27, 2013, 12:04:15 AM +0000
Oops sorry, my bad.

BTW I only get one TC choice offline.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: phspok on January 27, 2013, 09:03:27 AM +0000
I get several TCs off line. The Alan Mann ones are faster so I don't mind them not being selectable
I just don't understand how it is doing what it is doing. I tried setting "All 70s cars" and it is the same.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: goldtop on January 27, 2013, 10:46:53 AM +0000
I get several TCs off line. The Alan Mann ones are faster so I don't mind them not being selectable
I just don't understand how it is doing what it is doing. I tried setting "All 70s cars" and it is the same.

That's because there is only 1 '70s Escort TC....the Gr2 Broadspeed car. The others are from '68 and '69 and are Gr5 cars.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: phspok on January 27, 2013, 11:48:42 AM +0000
Yep I figured it now. The 8v ones are slower than the Alfa1750 and the 16v ones are faster.
Just o make it even more confusing the Gr5 cars are 16v and 8v
I am doing some testing, It may be I just allow all Alfas and all TCs
There are even differences between the 2litre alfas, the later one has more power but is heavier...


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: goldtop on January 27, 2013, 12:15:24 PM +0000
A quick test in timetrial mode using the 1750 Alfa as the hare suggests that the 217 BHP Escorts (#2, #3 and #16) are too quick by around 1.5 secs/lap.

The other Escorts are a mixed bag but were extremely close to the 1750 Alfa.

Haven't tried the Mini or the Alpine.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: Clive Loynes on January 27, 2013, 12:25:53 PM +0000
Just been on-line and had all the TCs available.

Stig in the Alfa is a lot quicker than me in the '70 TC at the minute.  But only in the corners.  ;D


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: phspok on January 27, 2013, 12:28:42 PM +0000
Similar finding here. the:

16v Escorts TCs are doing 1:48.4
8v ones 1:51.1
1750 Alfa = 1:49.3
2 litre Alfa '72 model 1:48.6
the older '71 (lighter and less power) 1:47.4
I can't do any more testing for this now, and I am away for the week, so I am going to set all Escort TCs, the 1750 Alfa and the 2 litre Alfa '72 only.

Check which Escort you are running there is a big difference in time between the 16v and the 8v, and there are smal weight differences
even within those.

EDIT: Did a few laps on line, and I managed a 1:47.3 in the Red and Gold Mann 16v Escort, and a 1:47.2 in the Alfa 2.0 '72 model
all with race fuel and default setup with gears and steering changed
so that's close enough for folk I reckon, and there was some time to be found with both cars.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: Hotkeys on January 27, 2013, 01:14:12 PM +0000
Similar finding here. the:
I can't do any more testing for this now, and I am away for the week, so I am going to set all Escort TCs, the 1750 Alfa and the 2 litre Alfa '72 only.

So this is final, no more changes right ?

Stig


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: goldtop on January 27, 2013, 02:01:39 PM +0000
So we'll all be driving the 217 BHP Escorts then, unless your name is Spock and you fancy a challenge  ::)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: Clive Loynes on January 27, 2013, 02:14:13 PM +0000
I've only used the '70 Broadspeed TC and have done a 1:48.0 in the TT mode and about a 1:48:something in on-line qually.



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: Hotkeys on January 27, 2013, 02:14:19 PM +0000
So we'll all be driving the 217 BHP Escorts then, unless your name is Spock and you fancy a challenge  ::)

Hell no, I'll stick with my Alfa. Managed 1.45.950 in the 1750 on race fuel   ;D

Stig


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: phspok on January 27, 2013, 02:31:05 PM +0000
The car list is now final. if you all end up in 217bhp Squashcourts, that's your choice, personally I think the 2.0 1972 Alfa is
slightly quicker. The idea is not to offer 6 cars with identical times, the idea is to offer 2 or 3 that could win in the right hands
and a couple of others as extra choice or for self handicapping. Remember please, this is all early days, if any car is way too dominant
then it will not be used or other faster cars will be added to balance it in future events, this is only our 1st proper event with this
car mix, gimme a chance chaps  :surrender:
Remember there is quite a wide power/weight spread amongst the TCs. try a few. I like the purple one, but it lacks power
compared to the 16v Alan Mann ones.

Oh and enjoy  ;D Think of me stuck in the Premier Inn Blackfriars while you lot are having a great time at my favourite track!



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: simon loynes on January 27, 2013, 03:51:01 PM +0000
did a 49.6 in the Renault. Possibly not the best car choice. I have to say the Oulton track is so beautifully modelled, brought a tear to my eye and no mistake  :'( I,ve crashed everywhere except Island bend, and I briefly held the historic FF2000 lap record.............them was the days  ;D


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: simon loynes on January 27, 2013, 06:37:33 PM +0000
managed a 46.7 in one of the 16v Escorts. (TT)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: phspok on January 27, 2013, 11:01:37 PM +0000
Nice time SImon. No idea how Stig is getting into the 25s with the 1750, but one man's rocket is another's milk float  ;D

I wrote a car off at Old Hall on a track day once a few years ago in the wet, love the place though.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: Clive Loynes on January 28, 2013, 02:04:21 PM +0000
No idea how Stig is getting into the 25s with the 1750, but one man's rocket is another's milk float  ;D



Well at 1:25 he certainly has my full attention!  :eek:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: DragonGaru on January 28, 2013, 08:01:38 PM +0000
Hi all,

i´ll be there, if that´s ok.

Cheers!


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: Hotkeys on January 28, 2013, 09:33:25 PM +0000
You're ever so welcome Dragon   ;D

Stig



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: Alex vV on January 29, 2013, 08:52:47 PM +0000
Thanks Tony,

I'll try another download but I've done two already with the same result.

When I transferred the track over I was able to use it but when I tried to resart PnG afterwards it encountered an error.

I removed the track and PnG booted up as it should.

EDIT:  Yep, it has installed for me now.  Just hope it works.

Have serious issues installing this track. PnG crashes on startup (cannot find .hdc).
Remove track and PnG starts without issues. Followed Clive's advise and installed Paul Ricard.. no problem.
Installed Oulton again: crash.
Removed the (underscore) in the file dir and PnG3 starts again but when I try to connect to server it's crashed on me again.
Strangely enough I didn't cause issues in PnG2.
Give up now and sit this one out  :surrender:
Have a good race.
 


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: SpecialKS on January 29, 2013, 09:33:21 PM +0000
Hmmh - strange - no problems at all with the track online and offline  ???


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: Alex vV on January 29, 2013, 09:47:47 PM +0000
Hmmh - strange - no problems at all with the track online and offline  ???
Yep. First time in a lot of years @ SROu that I cannot install a track.
Updated my video driver, ran a Registry cleaner and uninstalled Png2 (with all tracks) but to no avail.
Just ran out of ideas.



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: Mark J on January 29, 2013, 09:54:53 PM +0000
No probs with track install for me either. Try deleting any oulton 'HAT' files you may have.

One thing I don't get with car choice is why the Alfa 2.0 is '72' only. Why the heck do you want to allow the fastest newest version whilst disallowing a decent group of 71 cars for more variation on the grid???
It's kind of become a 2 class race too as I can't see the alpine or mini being anywhere near the Tc's and Alfas...unless johns driving one  ;)

I'm at same speed in 1750 or 2000 Alfa so far and fairly similar with a Tc I tried. The broad speed is a bit too quick for the group I think but could be wrong, the Alfas are quick.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 29, 2013, 11:01:32 PM +0000
Hmmh - strange - no problems at all with the track online and offline  ???
Yep. First time in a lot of years @ SROu that I cannot install a track.
Updated my video driver, ran a Registry cleaner and uninstalled Png2 (with all tracks) but to no avail.
Just ran out of ideas.



Delete any previous installs for this track and try getting it direct from Nogrip http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=15345


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: phspok on January 30, 2013, 08:52:48 AM +0000
Have a look at my times in an earlier post Mark. The older less powerfull but much lighter Alfa 2.0 is
a good bit faster here than the '72 one, which for me is only a bit faster than the 1750 on a good lap.
The Broadspeed 70 model (Gr2) is not as fast as the Mann 16v ones, there is a big mix of times
in the Escorts. Even the Gr5 ones are not all the same, some are 8v some 16v.

The full range of Alfa 2.0 are available at one of the upcoming British Historic events
(some series overlap, but hey it's all fun) as are all the RS1600s and TCs, where the car choice
is more heavily weighted towards the escorts.

The Alpines and Minis are for people who want more choice, and may prefer a slower car.
People have asked in the past that I include such extra choices, it costs nothing, ignore them
if you like, no worries.

Not had any trouble with track install here either, try Tony's original no grip install and let us know


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: Mark J on January 30, 2013, 09:10:10 AM +0000
The older less powerfull but much lighter Alfa 2.0 is a good bit faster here than the '72 one, which for me is only a bit faster than the 1750 on a good lap.

Ah didnt know that, well spotted  :-* Sure its not your driving?  ;) pretty unusual for the newer variant to be slower than an older one  :-\
The Alfas are pretty fast, i was getting outgunned by them at Estoril last night and i was in the Pantera (stock).

Not done many laps here yet, think a late 48 is my fastest so far. Pretty good version of the track. My first track day of the year is at Oulton Park in March so im counting this as some handy pre-sesh training as ive never driven there before  :)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: phspok on January 30, 2013, 09:53:48 AM +0000
Could be my driving sure  ::)
I do a few laps in each car with only minimal setup changes for steering and suchlike
and with race fuel.

It is likely that with some determined setup time any of the cars would be more competitive
than in my quick tests. The 71 alfas were a second faster for me with the same number of
laps than the 72 one, and I tried the older ones first. At the upcoming Mallory event, all the
Escorts seem to wee on the ALfas, so I made it all Alfas in the hope that someone will
get one going fast enough to be competitive. I even included the Volumetrico as that
in the right hands is very quick.

Oulton track day? what day, If I'm free I would come down to chuck one of my cars round
if there are entries.
Oh, and the track day layout is usually the full track but they have the chicanes in.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: Mark J on January 30, 2013, 12:47:14 PM +0000
Its a Porsche only day Matt and sold out in a week!, no oik cars allowed  ;)   ;D  In fact its a Porsche RS & RSR day so i'm lucky i'm allowed to share the same tarmac as those hallowed uber-quick beasts  :o  Looking forward to a few pax rides in some of the more exotic ones too  8)
Glad to hear they use the chicanes, adds to the fun!

RE: Mallory (been on track there too!) i'd be very surprised if the Alfas cant hold their own or even beat some of the escorts there judging by what i saw in last nights GC race, so you may be a bit hasty removing one or t'other.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: phspok on January 30, 2013, 12:51:46 PM +0000
Yep I was suprised that the Alfas which should be a bit faster on a fast circuit were
slow there for me compared to the Squashcourts. Hopefully we will get some times
from people soon, so an fine tuning can be done.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: Alex vV on January 30, 2013, 09:04:29 PM +0000
Hmmh - strange - no problems at all with the track online and offline  ???
Yep. First time in a lot of years @ SROu that I cannot install a track.
Updated my video driver, ran a Registry cleaner and uninstalled Png2 (with all tracks) but to no avail.
Just ran out of ideas.
Got the whole thing working again including Oulton. Turned out that I had to force PnG3 to use DirectX 8. DirectX9 and Oulton crash at startup.
Probably the circuit has some fancy graphics which my aging desktop has some difficulty with.
Thanks for all the replies. See you tomorrow!


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: frex on January 30, 2013, 11:10:35 PM +0000
Hello chaps, a slowcoach refugee from NoGrip here - would it be ok to join in this race?

Looks like some familiar names here so I've probably raced with many of you at one time or another, but hopefully that won't that put you off..!

Probably won't be able to make it every week, but hope it's ok if I drop in here and there as time allows. See you on track if so.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: Legzy on January 30, 2013, 11:16:10 PM +0000
Will be great to see you on track Frex 8)

I've been having a blast tonight & seem to be able to do 46's/47's in most of the cars. I find the 1750 Alfa the easiest drive if that helps anyone who's not had much practise time :)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: Geoffers on January 31, 2013, 12:00:01 AM +0000
Hey frex, welcome mate.

For those that don't know him, frex has raced GTL & P&G over at NoGrip for about the same length of time as me, & also often races at GC in GTL & P&G. One of the nicest & fairest guys on track.

Just for the record, been trying a few laps in the 1750 Alfa & am in the mid 1.45s with it so far.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: DragonGaru on January 31, 2013, 01:30:37 AM +0000
Its a Porsche only day Matt and sold out in a week!, no oik cars allowed  ;)   ;D  In fact its a Porsche RS & RSR day so i'm lucky i'm allowed to share the same tarmac as those hallowed uber-quick beasts  :o  Looking forward to a few pax rides in some of the more exotic ones too  8)
Glad to hear they use the chicanes, adds to the fun!

You own a Porsche RS or RSR, MJ?

wanna change photos? I have a RWD, 2 seater, turbo coupe Mercedes... your call, mate  8)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: Hotkeys on January 31, 2013, 07:07:39 AM +0000
Hello chaps, a slowcoach refugee from NoGrip here - would it be ok to join in this race?

Looks like some familiar names here so I've probably raced with many of you at one time or another, but hopefully that won't that put you off..!

Probably won't be able to make it every week, but hope it's ok if I drop in here and there as time allows. See you on track if so.

Great to have you with us frex, welcome aboard  ;D

Stig


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: Animal Ed on January 31, 2013, 07:26:07 AM +0000
Didn`t post before because wasn`t sure if i could make it ... any empty slot for me?

Ah yes, i`m another refugee from nogrip ...


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: phspok on January 31, 2013, 08:50:12 AM +0000
Looks like our newly appointed marketing manager (  ;D ) has been busy .

Welcome to all. We have as many slots as the server, which usually maxes out at 28
and we rarely get anything like that many, so join in, the racing here is pretty fair
but please have a read at the regs when you get a minute...

Condensed version:

If you knock someone off stop/slow and wait for them to get back in front, even if it
was not really your fault.

Keep at least two wheels on the grey track at all times, driving all 4 wheels across non
track surfaces will be considered cheating. Please do not be offended if someone makes
an incident report involving you, maybe you really were naughty and hacked someone off.
We try to keep incident reports to a minimum (preferably none) but if you see someone
driving regularly badly - like using other cars as brakes, driving straight over chicanes
a lot, or someone gets rough and shoves you off track but then doesn't wait or take a drive through
then report them.

At our last race at Portimao there were lots of examples of people driving outside the
kerbs on the last and first corners. (And maybe elsewhere)
That track is very forgiving and people take liberties, but do please resist  ::)

Sorry to go on a bit, but I had reports of big time kerb cutting at the last race, so just want
to remind people of the rules. Biggest rule of all though is just get on track and enjoy  :fencing:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: Mark J on January 31, 2013, 09:06:57 AM +0000
Looks like our newly appointed marketing manager (  ;D ) has been busy .

Why I thank'you...takes a bow  :euro:  Glad to increase the numbers, thought for a long time we've missed a trick not selling our great racing elsewhere.

To Dragon, no RS/RSR for me alas...im not rich !  :'( Just a lightweight track prepped 3.2 carrera  :) ala here:-  https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=11359.0


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: johnw on January 31, 2013, 09:36:00 AM +0000
Hello chaps, a slowcoach refugee from NoGrip here - would it be ok to join in this race?

Hi Frex, good to see you here :thumbup1: What took you so long ;D


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: frex on January 31, 2013, 10:16:12 AM +0000
Hi Frex, good to see you here :thumbup1: What took you so long ;D

Apathy I guess..  :laugh:

No seriously, Geoffers pointed me this way a month or two ago when we finished our team-mate stint in a Gamers Crib league, so I've been meaning to drop in for awhile now. Thanks to all for the welcome - I've read all the rules and will try not to get in anyone's way!

@ Geoff - thanks for the kind words. Don Rennis must have paid you to say those nice things about me..!

@ Mark - nice 911 there. I've had track time in a similar car, similar vintage, fully race-prepped which my dad and I use to share. Been to most of the British circuits in it, til he had a big accident at Pembrey and rolled it..


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: DragonGaru on January 31, 2013, 12:14:47 PM +0000

To Dragon, no RS/RSR for me alas...im not rich !  :'( Just a lightweight track prepped 3.2 carrera  :) ala here:-  https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=11359.0

oh man, what a beautiful thing to see! I'd love to own one! Maybe some day..
For now, here's my RWD, 2 seater Turbo Coupe Merc http://theversion.tumblr.com/private/41940214325/tumblr_mhhog5NQZ31r3a441

 8) 8) ;D


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: Clive Loynes on January 31, 2013, 12:43:56 PM +0000
Welcome to all the new racers.

It's just typical that I should be feeling mankey just when we may get our best entry yet!

Been in bed with flu all week and my head still feels peculiar.  Not sure I could even beat Legzy in this state.  ;D

If I don't make it to the start line tonight, hope you all have fun and a good clean fight.

At least I shall only be missing the roller skate race.  ::)  I shall be devastated to miss out on Paul Ricard.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: Mark J on January 31, 2013, 12:44:30 PM +0000
LOL Dragon...nice wheels  :P  ;D

and thanks Frex, glad to see another appreciator of fine track fun  :)  Guess like me your loving the 2.5ST in P&G3 then, feels spot on and great fun to drive  8)

Mogget is threatening to join us tonight from GC/NG too  :)

Matt, Do i get a recruitment bonus for all these new faces?  ;)..if not i will settle for a 10second head start on the grid  ;D

Will have to try and get some pre-race laps in this eve, have had no spare time for praccy this week  :'(


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 31, 2013, 01:37:17 PM +0000
Don't want to cast a shadow over all this joy but IIRC we used to have random driver drops if we approached 22-23 drivers when we ran P&G 2. Possibly P&G 3 has resolved this however I thought it was due more to our server.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: phspok on January 31, 2013, 03:20:20 PM +0000
Heck, if the Eyetalians join as well (not likely as Matteo is wheel less still I believe) we will be crowded
I won't be there, so Mogget can have my place, Clive may not be and his conn has been dodgy
of late as well, so probably be ok. Our server ran ok as far as I remember at Melbourne, so see how
it goes. I object to paying loadsamoney for a service that doesn't deliver, when I can deliver a half
decent service on my BT Infinity for no extra cost.
We had some funny conns the other week in a GTL race, I never know whether it's the game, our server, people's poor conns or just internet weather.

@MJ you can have a 1/4 cut of whatever I get paid  :laugh:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: frex on January 31, 2013, 03:54:40 PM +0000
As a newbie here I'm more than happy to drop out if big numbers turn up and the server starts to show the strain.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: goldtop on January 31, 2013, 04:04:10 PM +0000
Welcome Frex and Animal Ed and Mogget too if he manages to join us. Saw MJs post over at NG and great to see more drivers joining us as a result  8)

A special welcome to Animal Ed as I think most of my GTL setups were based on yours when I started out.

Not sure what we'll be taking tonight. Jules is time trialing the Escort atm but we might both go with the 1750 Alfa.

MJ if you're track daying it at Oulton watch out particularly for the exit of Old Hall as I've seen big offs there each time I've visited.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: Geoffers on January 31, 2013, 04:13:16 PM +0000
@ Geoff - thanks for the kind words. Don Rennis must have paid you to say those nice things about me..!

I think Don had heard something about a rival team offering big money for your services!


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: goldtop on January 31, 2013, 04:26:09 PM +0000
@ Geoff - thanks for the kind words. Don Rennis must have paid you to say those nice things about me..!

I think Don had heard something about a rival team offering big money for your services!

Kerbcrawlers?  ;)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: phspok on January 31, 2013, 05:09:33 PM +0000
Funny you should mention Old Hall. it's where I wrecked a car once in the wet....
Quick vid of my luverly little AX a few months before he expired in the fence at Old Hall..
http://www.matt-rowe.co.uk/motor/vids/hareseptsatMattMV1.mpg


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: Mark J on January 31, 2013, 05:40:16 PM +0000
As a newbie here I'm more than happy to drop out if big numbers turn up and the server starts to show the strain.

I very much doubt anyone needs to drop out. The only thing that seems to upset a full grid server is when people drop in and out changing cars during pracy/qually (noticed that on a GC event) so might help if you all have an idea what to drive beforehand  :)  But i dont expect it to be full anyway.

err thanks for the tips on Old hall, hope your not putting the mockers on me!  :P Ive survived the nurby and spa!


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: Manteos on January 31, 2013, 05:52:34 PM +0000
Hi chaps! I'm glad to see the numbers are increasing rapidly with P&G 3 here. Don't be afraid for us, cause we have restarted the ROTW P&G championship on alternate weeks, and this evening my VDA mates will be busy for a champ race. I'm still without a steering wheel, but I hope to come back racing very soon, probably in the second half of February. However, we will have some problem to race again here on thursdays, cause we're running another VDA champ in this season in the free Thursdays. I found the P&G much more funny than GTR2, but I'll havo no choice, until the P&G races will stay on Thursday to come back racing here. I'm very disappointed about this, but I can' do nothing about it  :( :(

I wish you a good race for this evening. I will be engaged as a commentator during the live streaming of the race. The only role left for me at the moment :)

I will continue to follow your P&G championship as a spectator :( What more can I do?

Cu chaps :)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 31, 2013, 08:46:36 PM +0000
Lost connection whilst sat on the grid. I was way off pace anyway but I was looking forward to racing those around me.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: Jules™ on January 31, 2013, 09:35:57 PM +0000
Great race while it lasted,
                                   Had a good battle with Clive at the start of the race and managed to make a place. Alex was ahead of me for about 5 laps until he seemed to carry straight on at T2 ??? . Clive was starting to catch me and he was making about 0.2 seconds on me a lap. Started to drive to the limit beating my Qual time and all was well. I went a little wide and lost about 2 seconds a few laps later.  >:( . Don't know what happened on the start finish straight as I carried on and hit the barrier which blew my engine  :( . That was the end of my race.  :(   :no: .

Thanks Matt for putting a great PnG race on.  :)
Well Done to Jos and all finishers.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: Legzy on January 31, 2013, 09:37:06 PM +0000
I can't imagine I could have had more fun there really (unless MJ had pulled his finger out ;))

Had A LOT of really good clean close racing with about 4 /5 drivers keeping me very busy. It really was an excellent balance between the Escorts Vs Alfa's on this track 8)

Congrats to all finishers, sorry to those less fortunate & great to see the new faces.

Chris

p.s. Sorry to "A Ed"(?), for managing to bump you from behind when we were both at almost full tilt! I think you must have changed gear & with us being so close, the drop of speed just caught me out sorry :-[. Waited behind while you got going again & was quite excited at the prospect of us (who were so evenly matched) catching slow poke MJ lap by lap :sweatdrop:, but suddenly the pair of you seemed to have a moment & I calved through the middle :ninja:

p.p.s. More like this please Matt :thumbup2:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: NPP on January 31, 2013, 09:39:59 PM +0000
I had to miss the last two races, couldn't make it back from work for one and was travelling for the other. By pure chance, I saw that tonight's event was on with 20 minutes of practice still left so quickly finished my dinner and went to the track. Taking no chances, I selected a fast car and a conservative strategy, practising and qualifying on hard tyres and race fuel. My race strategy was to concentrate and to finish, and it paid off: I didn't fall off, I chased Geoffers until he fell off, closed in on JohnW and GoldTop until the latter spun and the former suddenly stopped. Despite my tyres going off, I held on to 3rd. This was hugely enjoyable, I didn't see a single incident on track. Of course, in equally matched cars, I would have languished somewhere midfield, but I'm happy to have kept it on the black stuff for 23 consecutive laps.

Cheers

Niels


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: Mark J on January 31, 2013, 09:40:12 PM +0000
Phew! where do you start ?! What a corker of a race!  8)

I drove my flipping pants off in the Alfa1750 to just about finish in the top 10!  :sweatdrop:

Qually was a great scrap and most of top 10 within a few tenths, and then a few very quick front times. :notworthy:

Race was just epic from start to finish, i dont think i hardly had a lap where i wasnt chasing/defending or fighting another car, and usually upto 3 other cars around me!  :o  The only part of the track i was really losing out on was the straight before the fast right dip kink as my car kept grounding over the hump and slowing me down, as well as the lack of horses compared to the 2Ltr boys, but i made nearly everyone fight to get past and stay in front as much as i could.  :fencing:
Good clean racing from where i saw, only a couple of contacts and that was between the new boys  ;) so you guys can argue amongst yourselves  :-*
Great pace up front, even John got a run for his money this time out!
The escort v Alfa battle is excellent. If we can find one or two other cars to group in with them it will be great racing. Pleased to see a couple of guys take the slower motors too, the grid looked great  8)

I fought to the end with Simons escort and brought the car home in 9th or 10th i think  :)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: phspok on January 31, 2013, 10:03:57 PM +0000
too many cars to add in and some drivers it didn't understand, so sorry the results will be delayed
I can't tell without P&G with me which escorts are 60's and 70's, and what tyres they have

Does Jos aka Jos the Boss = Jos Verstappen in the members, I managed to link the other new guys.

I think I am doing something wrong, or the install is confused because 2nd week in a row the
replay seems messed up, and is a tiny file.

I can't do much more on 3g, so I will have a look tommorow.
Sounds like a classic event, great stuff and thanks to all who turned up.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: johnw on January 31, 2013, 10:35:06 PM +0000
Great fun :)

Spent most of it racing with Goldtop, swapping places a few times after mistakes on both sides. All was going well and I was quite pleased to be in with a chance of a podium in the gutless purple Escort until, with a couple of laps to go, the screen went black >:( Was just about to hit escape when it came back, so managed to hold on for 5th. Hope I didn't get in anyone's way when it happened.

Grats Jos on the win :thumbup1:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: NPP on January 31, 2013, 10:49:04 PM +0000
Great fun :)

Spent most of it racing with Goldtop, swapping places a few times after mistakes on both sides. All was going well and I was quite pleased to be in with a chance of a podium in the gutless purple Escort until, with a couple of laps to go, the screen went black >:( Was just about to hit escape when it came back, so managed to hold on for 5th. Hope I didn't get in anyone's way when it happened.

Grats Jos on the win :thumbup1:

sorry John I took the podium that was rightfully yours. I just about managed to not hit you when you suddenly stopped. Glad you recovered.

And congrats to Jos!


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: Hotkeys on February 01, 2013, 05:44:34 AM +0000
Great race-event, nice to see new faces ;D.
How on earth did you manage to get the Alpine do so well Flex?
I picked the B 18 tyres for the Alfa, and that turned out to be a bad choice ...... had almost no grip on the last 3 laps, and spun off a couple of times.

Stig


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: goldtop on February 01, 2013, 08:57:27 AM +0000
Cracking race last night. Had a good start and managed to sneak 2nd early on while others were chasing hard/sorting themselves out. Was soon closed down by Superswift in the superswift Escort who pulled a stunning move on me through Knickerbrook and then drove into the distance  8)

I then had John chasing me down in his lilac Escort, a battle that was to last for most of the race. We swapped places a couple of times until I started to come under pressure from NPP and tried to sneak through at Lodge, but couldn't get it stopped in time resulting in a spin. On the following lap John had his freeze and I was back in 4th for a lonely couple of laps to the finish.

Nice  :)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: Animal Ed on February 01, 2013, 09:05:05 AM +0000
Great race. I really enjoyed every moment from start to finish.

I took 8V escort because I like underdogs and because of my faulty H- shifter works fine only in first 4 gears otherwise I would took alpina ...

For more to say I need to see replay because it was so intense ...

@ Legzy

Yes, friendly bump occured when I was shifting to 4th but has nothing to do with my spin - it was my mistake by going too wide (didn`t know where you are and it would be stupid to close the door on you there) and clip the grass. I was surpriced saw you waiting for me to rejoin but couldn`t reach keyboard to tell you "go" ...

Actually my second little "incident" with TGC was probably because I`m doing heel & toe all the time so i can`t brake hard and late as guys braking with left foot (I know, it`s slower way but much more enjoyable) ... my early braking must caught him unprepared causing to miss his braking point. Small bump, no damage done but we lost some more places (one or two if I remember right) while he waited me to pass him.

I`m done with arguing. Happy now Mark?  ;D
 



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: frex on February 01, 2013, 09:47:06 AM +0000
How on earth did you manage to get the Alpine do so well Flex?

Actually i was somewhat disappointed with my pace last night as i could get nowhere near my practice times - 45.8 with low fuel (probably a lucky fluke of a lap) and regular 46s in race trim. Nevertheless there were a few nice battles here and there at the back of the pack, although i was probably over-driving a bit in my attempt to find some extra speed and made a few errors along the way - hence dropping further back as the race went on.

Managed to keep it (mostly) tidy though and not get in anyone's way (my main priority in my debut race), so it's all good.

Thanks for the fun and cya next time.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: Jos Verstappen on February 01, 2013, 10:19:44 AM +0000
Does Jos aka Jos the Boss = Jos Verstappen in the members, I managed to link the other new guys.

correct, glad my account still worked, last time I used some was in 2009  :) when I raced you guys in version 2.0 of this mod.

the race:

funny thing is I thought for the whole race that is was TGC who was behind me, but it was superswift, so I said good race to TGC instead of suoerswift :P
it was a close one pretty much the whole race, superswift overtook me once when i went offroading in that darn fast right turn. couple laps later he drifted his escort bit to enthusiasticly and overtoo him again,
last lap was really close until he made a mistake again so I could do a relaxed drive to chequered flag  :D


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: SuperSWIFT on February 01, 2013, 12:44:23 PM +0000
Great event, one of my very rare podium finishes! 

I’d practiced a bit last week with Alfa 1750 and different Escorts. For me, I could achieve mid 1:45’s in the Alfa and a high 1:44 in the Escort 16V. With the Alfa I managed to find a really sweet and stable set-up. But with the Escort, nothing was really perfect, running out of revs on the back-straight just before Knickerbrook (121mph @ 9000 rpm :P) and holding back to save the engine being just one example. So I thought that if I could do a high 1:44, then others would surely manage a 1:42 or something, but things turned out differently when the normal frontrunners took a 8V Escort or Alfa instead (good move)!

Qualy didn’t go really well, but a 7th spot wasn’t that bad either. At the start I could out-accelerate John_W in the 8V Escort and soon found myself in 4th pos behind 2 screaming Alfa’s. After a lap or three I found out where I could take advantage and with a little help of other’s small mistakes I went to 2nd position, just in sight of fast Jos in another 16V Escort. After a couple of laps the gap between us was reduced to about 1.5 to 2 secs and together we pulled a big gap towards the Alfa’s and 8V Escorts. I wasn’t fast enough to really challenge Jos, but stayed close, just to wait for him to make a mistake… which he did about 8 laps before the finish! So, I took advantage and was race leader for about 2 laps with Jos on my rear bumper, before I had a big oversteering moment and Jos took the lead again ::). I guess the intense close racing took its toll on the tires, both me and Jos made some small mistakes in the final laps, but we finished in the same order, me being 2nd with only 2.5 litres of fuel left ;D

Thanks again for the close battles and thanks to the usual frontrunners to take a less swift car ;)



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: Geoffers on February 01, 2013, 10:31:31 PM +0000
Well it was fun until I spun off & killed the engine  ::)

Started well & ran in the top 5 for the first half of the race until I spun it at T1. Dropped to about 9th place, made up a couple of positions & then spun at the final turn when Seniordan's Mini blew up & totally obscured the track :scared:. Finally spun again at T1 & totalled the car.

Congrats to the podium. Cya next week.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: Legzy on February 02, 2013, 12:59:35 PM +0000
Cor blimey, Matt's nearly as fast as H@L getting the results up ;)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: phspok on February 02, 2013, 06:18:57 PM +0000
You are a cheeky Boy young Chris.
I was stuck in a hotel room with me iPhone.
I have updated all the cars it didn't understand, but I have been unable to make jos = jos the boss = Joss verstappen
it keeps saying database error.
Replay is faulty, I will have a play with the server but there is nothing obvious (to me) why it's taking tiny replays.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: NPP on February 03, 2013, 08:06:52 PM +0000
You are a cheeky Boy young Chris.
I was stuck in a hotel room with me iPhone.
I have updated all the cars it didn't understand, but I have been unable to make jos = jos the boss = Joss verstappen
it keeps saying database error.
Replay is faulty, I will have a play with the server but there is nothing obvious (to me) why it's taking tiny replays.

if I click on my name, I am classed as DNF for this race in my racing history. Maybe you'd like to know - but I am not going to win any titles anyway and therefore I will be entirely happy if you tell me that this is just how it is.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park "Classic" - Jan 31
Post by: goldtop on February 03, 2013, 09:11:04 PM +0000
You are a cheeky Boy young Chris.
I was stuck in a hotel room with me iPhone.
I have updated all the cars it didn't understand, but I have been unable to make jos = jos the boss = Joss verstappen
it keeps saying database error.
Replay is faulty, I will have a play with the server but there is nothing obvious (to me) why it's taking tiny replays.

if I click on my name, I am classed as DNF for this race in my racing history. Maybe you'd like to know - but I am not going to win any titles anyway and therefore I will be entirely happy if you tell me that this is just how it is.

Looks like an error with results NPP as we are all classed as DNF for this race. I'm sure it will be sorted out in due course.