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Practice: 19:20 (GMT) (65 mins)
Qual 2: 20:25 (20 mins)
Race: 20:45 ~ (25 laps)
Cars allowed: Ford Capri 3100, BMW 3.5 24v All, Porche RSR 3.0

Track: Brands Hatch Download and install this. (https://www.simracing.org.uk/downloads/s3.php/gtr2/tracks/SRou_Brands_2005_1.0.1.0.exe)
Time of Day Setting: 13:00
Weather: Dry
Start: Standing

Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal
Pit-stops: None required

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Joy unbounded!  Just hope my internet connection is back to full strength.

Is that wise at your age Clive?  :P

I'll have a cup of tea and a lie down afterwards.   :wheelchair:

Joy indeed! I might even have an internet connection in the new house by then ;D

On me hols :sweatdrop: so I'll miss this'n. Have fun.

crikey thats a long holiday Tony, Enjoy!  :)

Brands in 70's race cars?!...whoop whoop!   :thumbup1:

(http://i1275.photobucket.com/albums/y444/MJ_p911/CSLampCapri_1_zpsd35fc04a.jpg)

in the diary!!!

think i prefer this as the banner  8)

(http://i1275.photobucket.com/albums/y444/MJ_p911/Brands_Hatch_srouk_zpsbbebb9c6.jpg)

I know this is early, but heck it's Brands and its got RSR's on it  :thumbup1: so thought I'd lay an early marker...no doubt for quick drivers to trample over  :surrender: 1:35.4 with 10laps fuel on board.

These cars look and feel flipping superb on this track  :notworthy:

Seen some of the AI do 1:31's !!  :o

Track download link doesn't seem to work for me - is it this one:

http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=5999 (http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=5999)

Download link fixed

Yes, it's the same track but the UKPnG (UKGTR) download has the following fixes. "corrected lap counts, and have had the public AIW fixes applied."

Thanks Tony. I try not to add links that are broken. Must have missed it.

Guys after our experience with these cars previously how does the Schnizer fit ?
the IMSA is probably too fast.

Anyone got times for all the cars?

Ta
Matt.

p.s I like the banner even though it's not a sports car race  :)

In my offline tests at this track it was the IMSA (and i think the Schnitzer) that was doing 1:31 times. I was doing a 1:35 which got me 6th on the grid, the rest of the AI cars were similar pace give or take a second, which makes me conclude the IMSA is definitely too quick for this group.
Anyone else done laps for comparison?

That is what I would have thought too Matt. However after racing these cars at NoGrip this last week I have second thoughts. On Sunday we raced at Road Atlanta in just the IMSA BMWs, Cap7 qualified on pole in 1.17.0. Yesterday (Wednesday) we raced the same track but allowed all the 1970s cars, Cap7 again got pole in the Capri at 1.16.5! So ultimately I don't think there is much in it between the BMWs & Capris.  

Us Oldies should have a free choice of CSLs  :devil: - I like the Schnizer. :thumbup1: :rockon:

Now I quite like the idea of age related handicapping!   ;D

My feeling is that the Schnizer should be allowed, so I will allow it for anyone over 50 years old.
 ;D
My tests elsewhere with the IMSA was that it was slightly less power than the Schnizer but was
quite a bit lighter and managed times over a second faster. If someone gets time to try Schnizer
and the IMSA and posts times that would be helpful. After last weekends extensive testing
It would be political suicide to do much testing this weekend as well.  :nono:
The track download works for me only if I left click on it. (Maybe my company net settings)

@Clive, bragging rights are cool, but does your sig need to be SO BIG  :laugh:

Got no problem with the 'gentlemen drivers' bringing up the rear in Schnitzers and IMSA's as long as they can keep them on the track and under control  :angel:, that way we all get to enjoy seeing and hearing them on track rather than secluded away in the back of the virtual garage.  :)
But in the same breath, known top 10 guys should be prevented from taking said beasts.

Im still a bit miffed the RSR seems so off the pace compared to the capri 3.1 and many of the beemers (alien John aside). Without consulting the history books, im not sure that was the case considering Porsche dominance for many championships. Perhaps its 'cos the rest broke down   ;D but guess also other factors like the other cars tyres wore off in proper race distances etc.

Yes!

Actually Mark the 3100 Capris & 24v BMWs didn't race against the RSRs very often. The only series where they did compete was the Deutsche Rennsport Meisterschaft (see http://touringcarracing.net/Pages/DRM.html )in 74 & 75. Although the Porsches did win some races the Capris & BMWs were generally faster, quite significantly at places like Hockenheim. Most of the RSRs successes came in GT races & the GT classes of the long distance races where their only opposition came from the Pantera (poor reliabilty) & Ferrari 365 Daytona (only really featured in 24hr events).

The factory RS3100s & 24v CSLs, although now having iconic status, actually only competed in a very small number of races & practically killed off the ETCC. New more stringent regulations were brought in for Gp2 in 1976 & finished the racing career of the 2 cars. Ford withdrew any factory support & BMW took the 24v CSLs to the US to race in IMSA, leaving privateer teams to race the 12v CSLs in the new Gp2

The RSRs are there as an option for those that want to self abuse handicap, or are
coleopterists. Despite their apparent lack of pace they still tend to be chosen and have done
well at our races. Not everyone wants a hard to control swap ends under braking monster.
It's not just John, others have done well in them as well. For me it's cool to be able to offer them
as in PG2 they were impossible to match, they were either too fast or too slow for any other cars.

Good info Geoffers  :) i had just dropped back in here to say i found this from the horses mouth when i saw your post already:-

A common FIA Group 2 scene in 1971 - the works RS 2600 Capris, attempting to escape various Ford Escort RS1600s and a BMW 2002. The Alfa Romeo GTAm was usually included in the mix.
 
The top dogs in 1974 and 1975 Group 2 - the BMW 3.5 CSL and the Ford Capri RS 3100. These cars were so fast that they could easily match, if not surpass, the Group 4 top contenders, such as the Porsche 911 RSR 3.0

Well that told me!  I will still be in the plucky and my favoured RSR  8) Im in it for the racing and if some glory ever comes my way whilst driving it....all the better  :euro:

My local track and a widebody RSR is too much to resist  :drool:

ps..ha, just read this further down:-   The Porsche 911 RSR 3.0 dominated the world GT scene (Group 4) from 1973 to 1975....kinda contradicting eh  :-\

First trundle in the Capri yielded a 1:34.5 and a big grin!   ;D

I would value some times from people for the Capri and BMWs (including the IMSA) here.  :chef:

Arrangements are being made and my attendance for this race is now in doubt.   :(

Bother!!!!

Didn't you tell her about the Capri & your big grin? ??? ;)

that sounds bad luck Clive, dont they realise 'Racing is life and everything else is just waiting?'  ;) so Stevie Mcqueen tells us  :P

Ive just spent another hour bashing around this track in the RSR, gained a few more tenths with a new PB of 1:35.017.  :) I could probably squeeze into the 34's if i used paddle shift instead of manual-gate shifting, but thats half the fun in these vintage racers  8)  Does mean i'm one handed nearly all round the fast back section though, doing rapid gear changes whilst hanging onto an RSR at full chat !  :o

I've done some more testing with the Capri and IMSA, and RSR3.0 and with my test setups I get 1:36.2 in all cars and I am using the
more powerfull later IMSA, so I am allowing all CSLs.

Neither of these items seemed to cut much ice!


I agree with Mr McQueen but that didn't go down too well either!

I had to miss the last race due to work but hope to be able to make this one. Brands is one of my favourite tracks, but at the same time a highly frustrating one - there is so much time to be gained by getting a corner just right, but I hardly ever get all of them right over a full lap. And, in the fast right handers at the top of the hill, if you think you've got the car hooked up just right but you haven't, it's all over.

This time, I'll practice the start off-line!

Now an etiquette question: last time in qualifying, I put in a quick lap on soft tyres and with low fuel, just to see how fast I could go and obviously to improve my starting position, which put me on the front row. This would be the done thing in real racing but most of you didn't seem to bother. Is this frowned upon? Do we all qualify on race fuel and with our race setup? If so, I'll of course do so as well.

You set as quick a lap as you can in qually, with whatever setup you choose :thumbup1:
Personally, I'm normally still working on my race setup during qually :laugh:

Strange statement  :-\ maybe everyone else's tardy pace made it look like they werent trying hard enough  :laugh: but im pretty sure they were trying!  As her majesty Legzy says, run as light and fast as you wish in qually. The only thing frowned on in qually is baulking someone on a quick lap or running too low a radiator and leaving a Batman style smokescreen behind you  ;D

And i totally agree about trying to get all the corners right at Brands, its a pretty technical track really.

Not many laptimes posted yet, everyone is playing their cards close :detective:

With IMSA (76) i can do mid 33s with race fuel and soft tires (not for the race because they can`t last the distance) and with medium tires it`s about low 34s to high 33s. Non IMSA is little bit slower (didn`t try Memphis) but with both i have the same problem - front right tire.

Capri is fast as IMSA (for me) but more nervous. Even if you not pushing the feeling is like you drive on the edge.

And that brings me to RSR - by far easiest car to drive (again for me) but too much underpowered because i lose about 2 sec from Hill`s corner up to Hawthorn Bend and again from Clark to finish line - hard acceleration points.

So my choice of weapon will be RSR (despite what i said) or Capri if my shifter refuse to engage 5th gear (again) because time lost with longer final ratio is marginal in order not to use 5th.

Nice times Ed, but another reason why the IMSA 76 shouldnt be allowed for quick drivers. Its newer than the rest of the cars and clearly faster. Thought we wanted close racing, not a car with a 2sec a lap advantage?  :-\

Also Schnitzer Memphis - full second faster than anything else including newer IMSA. Obviously almost 30hp more than IMSA and 50 to 60 more than others 24v CSLs have something with it.
These are the figures:
BMW
Schnitzer Memphis: 478hp / 1170kg
IMSA 76:               441hp / 1130kg
works:                  431hp / 1180kg
IMSA 75 & Art car:  425hp / 1130kg
Faltz Alpina white:   425hp / 1170kg
                    red:  420hp /1170kg

Capri:                    444hp / 1120kg

RSR:                      330hp / 1010kg
 

I'm struggling to get anything better than 36s with any car in race setup ::) Haven't tried the IMSA here yet, but not keen on it so will probably take the RSR.

My 1:35 laptimes were set with 10laps fuel onboard, so expect i am similar pace to you with a 40min fuel load.

Crikey, didnt realise the RSR was dropping 140bhp from the Schnitzer ! Even with a weight advantage its never going to keep up with one of them. I thought the IMSA 76 was the quickest beemer :-\

I am aware of the differences in the power and weight of the cars. (But thanks for the figures Ed)
I was cautious with the allowed cars before, this time I want to see what happens with no restrictions.
Don't matter how much you shout MJ, I ain't gonna drop the faster cars to make it easier for Beetle Herders at
this event.  :P I am just happy that I can include the RSR in events now even if it is slightly dissadvantaged.

If people wipe the floor with a clearly faster car then future events will reflect that. My times are within
a couple of tenths in the '76 IMSA the Capri and the RSR, at some tracks the extra Schnizer power may overcome
the weight disadvantage, I am not sure that's a clear cut case here. I also find the IMSA easy to drive compared
to the Capri, though my average times were slightly better in the Capri. Let's see what happens on the night  :chef:

No shouting from me, happy to see a good range of cars on track, though slightly confused you go to such pains in all the other races to make the cars similar and yet here your happy to let a clear 2-sec advantage car join the group when already a decent enough set to race each other  ???  Im taking the RSR whatever  :)
Not to mention i could imagine the outrage on here if it was the bleeding RSR wiping the floor with the other cars  :laugh:

Lol - wasn't aware of this expression.

But I agree the 'Beetles' are rather slow here. I still hate the Capris so I will take one of the lower-powered BMWs probably.

here here, long may it continue :P ;D

So what's a good slow car here (other than the Beetle)? I want to be just a little faster than MJ, so that he gets to enjoy seeing me only gradually disappear off into the distance :-\

I'll be in the BMW IMSA, am hitting a few 1:35's for race pace (after getting rid of understeer in spades!).

Tried the Capri & normal BMW first, but they're just not my bag baby.

Chortle..... I can't win  ;D  I spend hours testing cars only to find that my times are not what others get
So I am advised to not worry too much about it for the early events, and when I don't worry I am questioned why  ::)

My testing suggests there is little between any of the cars here in a race, literally a couple of tenths.
Others may get better times with some cars, but I "think" that no car will be 2 secs faster here in the race
more likely a talented driver "could" be 2 secs faster depending on what car he chooses.

If I am wrong then I have a better knowledge for the future  :angel:

I still think this is going to be a cracking event  8)

Keep Calm and Carry on !   8)

If slacker Legzy needs a fast car to compete, then let him take it  ;)  ;D  I will still be beetle-herding  :cowboy:  ::)

Said slacker managed to win his first event for a couple of years on Monday in South Africa  :o
I did some laps in each car, and after a few I was getting the Beetle moving around quite well by
my standards, was easier to drive near the limit than the Capri which was "wayward" the IMSA was a lovely
drive, but was only slightly faster for me than the RSR, and the RSR seemed to have less tyre wear.
I would like to take the RSR for a change, but I fear other Beetle Jockeys will get more out of it than I can
so may default to the IMSA.

watch out for us  ;)

you do a fantastic job as admin mate, and there isn't exactly a queue behind you for the job so keep it up  :-*

I've managed low '34's so far in the RSR and could probably scrape a high '33 on a good lap. It's very tricky though, doesn't feel planted at any point. What felt good at Portimao doesn't feel right here at all.

 :o   :notworthy:  Blinking hell John your quick!  And i agree, my Portimao setup didnt work at all well here, strange as it shares an undulating nature. With so many spring/ARB combos to choose from, it can be difficult to get right and takes a lot of tinkering.

I gave up on the Capri, it's to delicate to drive for my skills. The beamers are the easiest cars to drive for me, but I can't tell which is the better choice. I can do a very fast quali lap in the IMSA, but when I use race fuel and hard tyres, the laptimes drop dramaticly ( almost 2 secs ) and the Schnitzer is suddenly just as fast as the IMSA.

Stig

Arcade games don't count.   :whistling:

Setup from Portimao? But RSR 3.0  wasn`t there and it`s completely different physics from IROC and 914.
Even 2.8 RSR is that much different that 3.0 setups dosn`t work at all ...

If you want similar behavior as 914 or IROC you must play also with ride heights and not to pay too much attention on what you see in garage rather what you feel on track. Changes could be radical and without logic ...
For me almost default setup (changes on springs, rear shock absorbers, front and rear toe in/out, rear ARB, front ride hight, gear ratios, diff settings ... small changes just to feel right after 10 or more laps) works fine because i prefer stabile setup for race distance over one fast lap and who knows what after that.

You're thinking of the Potrero race Ed where the IROC and 914 were available. We were at Portimao 3 or 4 weeks ago and the 3.0 RSR was available and driven by myself, MJ and a few others. My Portimao race setup was dreadful, so I've started from scratch for Brands and tbh I'm not sure it's that much better  :-\

Doh!

My mistake ...

I so enjoy the Capri 3100 it's hard to resist it, specially at Brands.. I usually find it's on a par with most of the CSLs, with the 76 IMSA car a second or so quicker, and the 3.0 RSR a second or so slower. Ish.

Ooh you female dog you! Yup, got my 1st race win since December '11, was quite chuffed 8)
Certainly feeling confident I'll be able to comfortably beat MJ & Clive on Thursday :P

LOL  Congrats on your win Chris.  Like they say, it's not how, it's how many!

You will have no problem from me as I shall be lost in darkest Yorkshire on Thursday night.   ;D :(

Have been playing with the Capri and managed a low 34 but since I shall not be on the grid that is all a bit academic.  I bet that when I finally get to have a proper race, that I have prepared for, it will be rotten roller skates or the awful Lotus Pram Series!



Have fun folks.

who put soap on the first corner  :P

also, outdated track looks outdated :P

Hmm, I feel a Zandvoort coming on.... ::)

No, too many zandbakken  ;D

No server in sight.

was looking for the server, too. But it's probably just as well that I didn't have the opportunity to publicly embarrass myself. I thought I had worked out the circuit on Monday, doing a quite respectable time on hard tyres. But since then, I can't for the life of me get within a second of that time. On Monday, I thought I had figured out out how to get the BMW to turn in using the brakes, but since then, I must have un-learnt everything. I'll join the Porsche drivers at the back ...

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I`m not sure what you want from setup here. This is a kind of track where you need to hit the bumps right and position the car before elevation change ... so no perfect setup here just more or less wrong ... i think but i may be wrong.

imo better to koncentrate on finding correct lines.

Considering setup, stiff is not desirable but also not too soft.
With BMW and Capri you don`t have too much thinking about gear ratio only final unlike with RSR who have fully adjustable "gear by gear" gearbox ... if you don`t mind shifting million times in one lap than veeeery long first and short others can be good choice.

very much so, this circuit seems to be all about lines.

Anyway, I think the makers of P&G have done an excellent job on their default setups, I usually only make very minor adjustments (fuel, tyres, ARB, brake balance). And fiddling with something like bump and rebound settings I'd probably just mess things up rather than improve them.

Yes Ed, NPP I know what you're saying. But I think I ran the RSR too stiff and oversteery at Portimao. This was quicker over a lap, but by mid race even with a little tyre wear it was starting to hurt my laptimes. Car felt very light and had lost a lot of grip by race end which I think I mentioned in my race report.

I'm hoping the changes I've made for Brands will make the grip last longer, but I'll have to see. Low 35s with race setup now, so maybe that's enough to have a few battles down the grid :-\

I`m still exploring. 15 laps stint and 9 laps in high 35`s than change ratio for 3rd and I`m half a second faster (??!)

Only thing that worries me is braking as the tires wears off. Usually I don`t have problem with traction or keeping the line through the corner but braking is lottery.   

Petty question but just checking... doesnt that mean circa 25 laps? Is it based on 40 mins then? Sorry just for fuel calc

Good point.
All my events are Laps based, not timed

The 20:45 ~ was for Manteos and others who wanted to start slightly after 20:40, he is wheel less and no one else seems bothered
so I usually start just after 20:40 ish, kinda, maybe, something liek...sort of thing....  ;D

I leave Brands to the professionals  :P.

It's a fascinating track but I hate it.

Yesterday I felt a little bit comfortable for the first time at brands offline
in the Schnitzer, but today online in all cars I couldn't find a way to a
proper lap.

So I quit.

Have a good one guys.

CU next time

Well that was short.  :'(
Got shunted off into a wall (0%) at the start of the 2nd lap as I was braking carefully to not hit Legzy
Not that it's a big deal you understand or anything, I've only been waiting to do a GT race for 5 weeks....
sigh.

Sorry Matt, my usual line through T1 is pretty random anyway, so got caught out when you braked earlier. Shame as the cars appeared very competitive, just shows I can't do any close racing.

Always difficult with different cars and people on the 1st couple of laps. Easily done, is just a shame as I haven't been able
to race recently, ah well, onward every onward.  :oops:

Dammit. Mis-shifted and blew up the engine >:( It was going so well up until then.

Had an entertaining race shifting positions with 3-4 different drivers up untill I hit a wall on lap 19 or 20 ......... to hard to drive with the suspension damaged.

Stig

sorry to hear Matt, it was a really gentlemanly race from where I could see things.

And sorry JohnW, I think that's the second time in two races that I luck into a podium because of some bad luck of yours (last one was Oulton).

I was very disappointed during practice because I could never get close to the 1:33.4 I set on Monday in the smaller BMW (Art Car) on hard tyres. Quali didn't go too well with a lot of traffic but 8th is probably where I should realistically be anyway. Lost a place at the start, regained it in lap 2, then chased Goldtop for 5th for quite some time. He was the better driver, I had more power, but not enough to get by - should have chosen one of the more powerful BMWs! Eventually I was caught by my team-mate Legzy and we both got past Goldtop, I let Legzy go who then fell off, and though I could make no more progress, I found myself in 3rd when JohnW blew up.

Great racing with Goldtop, I think I could have been a little more aggressive but in the end the 'wait and see the others fall off' approach paid off.

Practice & Qually was a struggle, car felt nothing like the other night & spent the whole time trying to make the car safe & so ended up mid-field.

It was a decent enough event (certainly better than Portimao), but I'm really not enjoying the choice of Capri v BMW v Porka. I just feel entirely uncomfortable in all three.
I got a decent result tonight, but it was purely through taking it easy & focusing on keeping my car safe. Some other drivers were very unlucky & obviously the Porka was about 2secs off pace (MJ was 1 min behind me = 25 laps x 2secs). I barely gave a thought to other drivers as I didn't have the ability to think of anything but my car & that's not racing for me, its more like iRxxxxg :sleep1:

Maybe I'll be able to find & suggest a 4th car choice that I'd be strong enough to fight people near the back, confident that my car's not going to randomly flip out at any odd moment :-\

See you next week.

p.s. Just to be clear, I love all the other four PnG series (I just struggle with these 3 cars), .
p.p.s. Unlucky on the early bath Matt (no pun intended ;)).

Well I thoroughly enjoyed the event, it was a cracking spectacle, albeit tinged with frustration.

Had good pace in praccy and was hoping for a top 6 slot on the grid, but the time and weather setting during qually wrong footed me with the shadows and lighting and I just couldn't pick my apex's and braking points properly. :( ended up firmly in the midfield.
Needn't have bothered anyway as within lap1 of the race all the bods I'd out qualified simply blasted past in their capris and beemers with ease  ::) I even lost time and places just having to stay wide as faster cars dived up the apex.
Still, it soon shook out into a cool looking train of great cars jostling and racing and I was enjoying being part of it for many laps. Around mid race the car started getting a bit oversteery which made for some scary cornering and I eventually lost the back end in paddock hill. :'(
Steamed on regardless and closed on purds and Tgc ahead, whilst one or two ran wide or span, including purds himself. Setup improved nicely once I got some u/steer back from wearing front tyres.
With some solid steady laps and a few dnf's, I gradually moved upto 10th and enjoyed a great battle with Jardas BMW for last 5-10mins, eventually getting away from him to grab a hard earned 9th place  :)
Great stuff, a real challenge on this tricky track just to finish 8)

Congrats to the podium and well done to those flying the porsche flag upfront against the Capri-Beemer horde  :fencing:
Bad luck to Matt who puts all the effort in for these events and got such an early DNf  :(

That was a very tough race!

Had a great battle with NPP which lasted pretty much all race and kept me focussed throughout. Really appreciate your driving standards there NPP  8) There were a few occasions where you might have quite legitimately stuck one down the inside, especially going up into into Hawthorne which had me holding my breath a few times  :scared:

Our little party was eventually gatecrashed when Legzy rocked up in his IMSA  ;D Seriously though, the car mix was ok for me. It provided some excellent racing which is what it's all about  :thumbup1:

qualy: holy sh*t, I did a 1.32.9!

race: in the beginning of the race a found a nice place in the kitty litter to park my car to watch the whole field drive past. Back in 17th place.

Time to unleash the power of the capri, worked my way up to 2nd place again, with the driver in p2 freezing up.
In lap 23 my car no longer put up with get shifted from 5th to 3rd gear, boom goes the engine...what a disapoint, and frex in p1 wasnt even that far away :(

Results and Replay Posted

Nothing ungentlemanly, just misjudgement. JPV is not a crazy driver.
Easy to get too close into that 1st corner, was disappointing all the same.

Hmmm as usual a mixed response. In PG2 it was impossible to run the RSR3 with anything else as it was either too fast or too slow.
If I run the 12v bemmers and the 2600 capri the RSR3 leaves them for dead. I actually found the Capri and IMSA not to hard to
drive here with a safe understeery setup I could drive close to the edge and I felt I was racing. They are not fun with a loose setup
for me. I was under the impression that this mix is one oft eh most popular though I could be talking spheroids of course.
I have a Capri 2600 and Escort RS1600 + 2,5 Porka (which is again slightly disadvantaged the RSR3 or 2.8 was too fast.) coming
up soon at Hungary. I am trying to use the 70's cars as much as poss <shrug> any useable suggestions will go in the pot.

I think the balance of the 3 cars was good Matt (as the spread of cars in the results shows), I just wish I could get to grips with one of them :D

Besides, the most important thing is that I'm above MJ in the league table (I'll take alphbetic advantage :cowboy:)

Try my simple setups, just some simple mods of the defaults to make the cars more what I can drive.

http://www.matt-rowe.co.uk/comp/PGfiles/Brands_Hatch_Setups.zip

Haven't found the time to practice for this event, so I chose the top dog Beemer to help me getting competitive pace.
Luckily Brands is a well known track for any legit sim racer.

Once again, I really enjoyed this race!
One of the reasons why I'm having so much fun here in the SROUK is the race formats / length.
Other is, undoubtedly, the gentlemanly behaviour all in all.

I had the car to get upfront but didn't had the pace it deserved. I tried to be as consistent as I could be and it seems to have paid off.
P8 is not bad at all.

Two things pop up in my mind regarding this race:
the moment when I had the chance to get close to Andy and started to Ayrton-Senning him, forcing him to a mistake ( wasn't it, Andy?  ;D);
and, once again, share some laps close to MJ, it's becoming a classic now. Nice to see you again, MJ, this time mostly on my rearview mirror.

Cheers!
 

A pretty dismal race on pace! Lack of practise unfortunately! This version of Brands is not bad, it just happens to be the width of silverstone though  :P but makes for good racing and I know decent Brands versions have eluded GTR2 over the years for some reason!

Anyway.... had great race with Dragon and MJ throughout. I had a good start from 13th to get to 9th and was back in 13th a few laps later.... purely on lack of pace! Then I started to overdrive just to avoid the wooden spoon award and made mistakes and then mis-shifted and blew my engine with a few laps left  ::)

Still the best mod ever! 911's will get their own back next track  ;)

Started 9th and finished 7th so i should be happy with result.
On the other hand i`m not happy with my driving. After my shifter start to play "funny" games with me jumping out from 5th to neutral (luckily only 2 places for 5th) i was forced to use paddle shifter from lap 9 and goodbye consistency. It took me 6-7 laps to get a grip with that because of more than year using heel & toe and H shifter exclusively, it`s not easy to revert back especially when you use full 900 degree range from steering wheel.

OK enough with excuses.

The race. Short battles with TGC and Legzy (not really battle) and that`s it ... but after Legzy pass me for the first time i noticed that he slows down too much on some places but take too much risk on other, i tried to keep close and wait for mistake which came in next lap ( if i remember correctly) when he went out in Dingle Dell Corner. But he recover quickly, pass me again and then starts my problems with shifter ... if i had another battle with someone it was clouded with my fight against my car, my mistakes ... than i find some consistency and start to catch slooowly guys in front but it was too late and too slow.

Despite everything said no regrets. It was another enjoyable event and thanks Matt for organizing it and to all fair racers here - it means all racers here!

Sounds like you've sussed our Legzys typical driving style out already  :laugh:

Despite the annoyance of the RSR being well outpaced by the 3.1 capri and faster beemers, its still a great set of cars and loved seeing them in action on track. :thumbup1:  Its just frustrating watching them zoom by and do wonder if you will end up with a grid just full of them. Thankfully several drivers appear to enjoy driving the porkas to give us something to race against. Isnt there another 70's car on similar pace? (i think some of the less powerful beemers are on a par?).
I would say you need to add an easier to drive 70's car if one exists, so that it doesnt put off 'all' drivers (think SpecialK mentioned he couldnt get on with the selected cars). They wont win a race in it maybe but can at least participate, enjoy, and pick up places from others errors. (ha, bit like i did!  :-[ )

Good race for me, apart from a few silly mistakes early on & a technical problem a bit later.

Grabbed 2nd on the first lap & kept Jos at bay for a lap until I ran off track. Jos then went off & I nearly followed him which allowed Frex past into 2nd. Tried to hang on to Frex but he was too quick & pulled away to go & hassle John. Another small mistake nearly dropped me into the clutches of Daniel but I just managed to hold the place. A few laps later I caught back up with Frex after he must have had an 'off' & then John was parked up at the side of the S/F straight with his blown engine.

With Kerbies now 1-2 I decided just to follow Frex & not try to go all out for glory, unfortunately that plan backfired when Frex's car froze past the pits :o. Often you drive straight through these happenings but on this occasion my car got pitched off the track into a spin >:(. By the time I got going again several cars had passed & I was down around 8th or 9th. Drove hard for the remainder of the race & helped by a couple of people spinning & retiring I got up to 4th at the end.  ;D

Congrats to Frex, Daniel & Neils.  :clap:

Sorry about that Geoff, i had no idea that my car had frozen - from my point of view i was some distance ahead of you when you went off, and checking the replay all i see is your car suddenly spearing off to the left for no apparent reason. My connection has been rock solid recently and i saw no lag whatsoever here, but really sorry if that was a problem my end.

As for the race, the early laps were fun, but after Jos and Geoff had problems it boiled down to me chasing John. Actually catching him too (that's a first), but as soon as i started to get really close i put a wheel on the grass coming out of Sheene which pitched me into the barrier on the opposite side. Thought my race would be over right there, but managed to wrestle it back on track - and then saw John parked up a couple of corners later.

Despite now leading however, my car was not the same after my hit with the barrier (about 1.5 secs a lap slower), and it was now just a case of nursing it through to the finish - was sure someone would appear from behind and pass, but no-one did until a few laps from the end when Jos appeared on the radar for a lap or so, but then promptly disappeared again.

So i guess i lucked into this one - any one of John, Geoff or Jos would have taken the win but for their respective problems.

Good fun though, i do enjoy these cars. Next time i'll take something other than the Capri though..

Unofficial LapChart* (http://www.justanotherpage.nl/Srou/PnG/GTR2_brands_2005_2013_2_21_20_45/)

Kinda sums up my race at the back.. clinging on for dear life  :scared:

Perhaps a nice idea not to scare people w/o 6 arms away. Fastest Elan?

Shame you left. Mister Dan and I could use some company..
After 5 or so races on this track I still find Brands a challenge. Every little mistake is punished hard in these fast cars.
If you happen to simrace here again try to brake a fraction earlier. Many corners look easy but are not (re other remark about arms).
Hope it will help.

Congrats to Frex for your first (?) win!

Not your fault Frex, could have been my end or the server, other people mentioned about freezes after the race. I normally try to avoid frozen cars as you just don't know what will happen, although as I said sometimes you can just drive straight through them. On this occasion I was probably far enough behind to miss it, but I just happened to be checking tyres & fuel on XD when it occurred.  ::)

Happy to add a "safe option" car, has to be something that is at least vaguely in keeping with the series
so Elan wouldn't be appropriate. Might do some testing with 12volt Beemers and 2600 Capri
but my testing at Hungary suggested that the slower Beemers blow the 2600 Capri away
Escorts or Alfas perhaps, but they run mostly in their own series.

The 1750  is surely the easiest Alfa to drive, and personally I would love to fight Alex and others in that car :-))

Stig

But then you will be in a 2 formula race, it would be F1 and F_BMW on the same track.
I prefer something almost as fast but easy to drive.

I agree, and and 2-pace-race would only make sense, if we can keep up the current turnout for the races.

Stig

I hope Captain Clive  doesn't see this, he might exclude me from SBRC for suggesting ankle biters racing grown up cars :-))

Yeah - it's a shame but I wouldn't have been competitive at all.

But there will be another try on monday at GTL-LM55   :P