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Title: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: BadBlood on January 18, 2013, 12:57:33 PM +0000
UKGPL Season 24 65 Novices Trophy
Race 1 Kyalami

Welcome to the opening round of the Novices Trophy for Season 24.

We start at 'our home' which is the English translation of the Zulu word 'Kyalami'. One of the original Papy tracks and therefore fairly well known, but not without difficulty. Usually sees some close racing.

The original, sweeping circuit was in use from 1961 until political sanctions eliminated the Grand Prix after the 1985 race. A very quick circuit, it yielded some memorable races. Gilles Villeneuve outfoxed team mate and home driver Jody Scheckter in a wet/dry race in 1979, and Alain Prost raced from the back to win in 1982. By the time the circuit held its last Grand Prix in its original incarnation cars were lapping the track in 1m 02s – 20 seconds faster than in 1967. But the politics of racing in Apartheid South Africa where racial segregation was practised put pressure on F1 to leave the country. Luckily we get to race without any of that and a lap time in the mid 1m 20s should prove very competitive.

*** NOTE***
Ensure that you have the pit wall in place. Those without the pit wall will risk disqualification. Advantage can be gained without it and in particular, drivers should ensure that they know where the pit entry is WITH THE PIT WALL IN PLACE

The standard Papyrus track has a pit wall but there are patches available that remove it. The absence of a pit wall will not stop you from joining the race but anybody seen by the moderators miraculously driving through the pit wall on the server replay will risk disqualification.

Follow these instructions to restore the wall if you have a mod that has removed it:
METHOD 1:
To place a wall between the pits and the track, rename or remove the kyalami.trk and kyalami.3do files from your kyalami folder.
METHOD 2:
To reinstall the original Papyrus Armco, rename or remove the Armco_s.mip file from your kyalami folder.


As with the previous tracks, there will be crashes and patience is a must. The first lap will be fully moderated within the red zone. The red zone will extend to the end of the Leeukop bend on the first lap

Please check the Season 24 pages for details (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=386&theme=6) regarding rules and the Novices Trophy (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=393&theme=6) pages in particular.

There are NO chassis restrictions for this race.


Race List = iGOR
Server = UKGPL3
IP address = ping ukgpl3.dyndns.org
Race date = 22/01/2013
Time = no later then 9:00pm UK Time (30-45 mins practice, race starts at 9:30pm)
Track = Kyalami (papy)
Variant = 65F1
Damage Model = Int
Qualifying time = 30 minutes
Race length = 28 laps
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Qualifying may start before 9pm, if so, Reserve drivers should leave the server when 35 minutes of qualifying remains and only rejoin when 30 minutes of qualifying is left. This is to ensure that Full Time drivers get priority in joining.

Please restrict chat to pit messages if necessary, and this includes the end of the race, until all running drivers have completed the necessary laps.

The Novice races are run under Int Long rules and all incidents in the red zone on Lap 1, at least, will be moderated. For this race, the red zone extends to the last part of the Leeukop Bend. There is no limit on the amount of resets but EACH Shift/R MUST be followed by a Stop n Go. The pit entrance can be tricky here so a little practice may be adviasable. Better still, don't requier a reset!

65 Patch: The 2.02 Release of the 65mod can and should be used. You need a working installation of the 65 mod to install the 2.02 Update. All the 65 Mod files can be found here (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Mods/1965)

Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=393&theme=6)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 18, 2013, 01:48:56 PM +0000
Hurrah


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: Geoff65 on January 18, 2013, 02:10:14 PM +0000
Ditto, all good here.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 18, 2013, 06:22:46 PM +0000
No work today (snow u like) so I spent a happy hour or so this afternoon learning GPL's Kyalami and getting my car setup just so. I hope to use the same car throughout this season. Whilst racing I noticed in the top left of the screen five columns of times with rows labelled I, B, L & C. I know I'm going to kick myself for asking but what do these mean?

Also "and a lap time in the mid 1m 20s should prove very competitive." Oh lordy, my best time is only 1:32 and in my offline race Jim Clark could only manage 1:25.

EDIT: And my in car sound volume decreases when a lot of cars are on screen like at the start. Is this normal?


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: Cookie on January 18, 2013, 06:57:29 PM +0000
I = ideal time
B = best
L = last
C = current lap


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: Johnny.P on January 18, 2013, 09:04:29 PM +0000
Prib will let you show less info if you find it a touch confusing--- like i do. I use the old prib display of just 2 rows of figures- best and current I think.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: BadBlood on January 19, 2013, 12:47:12 AM +0000
No work today (snow u like) so I spent a happy hour or so this afternoon learning GPL's Kyalami and getting my car setup just so. I hope to use the same car throughout this season. Whilst racing I noticed in the top left of the screen five columns of times with rows labelled I, B, L & C. I know I'm going to kick myself for asking but what do these mean?

Also "and a lap time in the mid 1m 20s should prove very competitive." Oh lordy, my best time is only 1:32 and in my offline race Jim Clark could only manage 1:25.

EDIT: And my in car sound volume decreases when a lot of cars are on screen like at the start. Is this normal?

I have been at this for five years Tony and my best is 1:27 something and I would expect to average 1:29-1:30 in the race. That will be mid-field I suspect. Your lap times will come down very quickly but you might want to look at your gearing - what top speed are you getting as you come down the hill to Crowthorne?

BTW I am unsure about the volume thing but as long as you can hear the other cars that should be OK. In your options screen make sure that the number of sounds is set to the maximum (16 I think).

When I say mid 1:20s I mean 1:25-1:26... lol - NOT 1:20.x!!!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: Philippe Girard on January 22, 2013, 09:14:19 PM +0000
I did not have been able to join the server, full server!
I was not yet reservist.
I do not understand.  ??? ???
I was well prepared my race, but for nothing.
good luck to the participants!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: BadBlood on January 22, 2013, 09:36:31 PM +0000
Well, I was well prepared and got a 1:26.8 and found myself in 11th! The top guys really are too fast for the Novices.

Phillipe and myself missed out and Rainier went to the Pros.

Not a happy Chief Mod at the moment. :(


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on January 22, 2013, 10:02:12 PM +0000
Wish I hadn't bothered.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: bernie on January 22, 2013, 10:30:31 PM +0000
This isnt good with the track being oversubscribed , I joined late due to a small domestic problem only to find the grid full , tried a few times and luckily sneeked on to the server when dave left . No time for qually , started from almost the back of the grid ,so far back couldnt see the flag , took it easy into T1 for the expected log jam only to get rear ended , recovered then someone else did a spin turn right in front of me , by the time I gathered it up the race was gone  .

We need to get the Int's back on track please , surely we could sort something out for moderating , how about a few of us take turns about, I'd be up for doing a couple of races , maybe more at a push. Need volunteers though dont know what's involved , how much time , etc.

Just how hard can it be to start an argument  :-\
 


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: Hristo Itchov on January 22, 2013, 10:31:54 PM +0000
It seems there are a lot more Novices drivers now than the server can hold yet we're not running full grid in Pro's, so perhaps some should switch over? Or as Bernie says, bring Int back somehow...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: JonnyO on January 22, 2013, 10:44:46 PM +0000
 I can go on pro.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: PaulV on January 22, 2013, 10:50:06 PM +0000
all I can say, is Im not even good enough to be a "novice"

Im no where near fast enuf  :-\

really consistent showing for me.. started near the back, finished near the back. oh and was lapped again.

all this doing 1:26 - 1:28's

how good am I going to have to get ?

had a good time though.  had a few decent laps in all, and saw very little trouble other than the usual T1 stuff.  missed it all (luckily, even tho I spun off) but did take a tiny little nudge from behind but other than having to rejoin from the grass, not a bad race in all.

a few points for Blue Moose Racing, perhaps ?

Paul V.
 


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 22, 2013, 11:11:32 PM +0000
Where can I get a replay?


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: dave curtis on January 22, 2013, 11:23:14 PM +0000
Where can I get a replay?

http://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/inc_replaysS24_js.aspx#

Then click 'Novices' on the left hand side.


The main www.ukgpl.com  page has link to the ukgpl3 server at top left corner.

Cheers,
Dave.



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on January 22, 2013, 11:35:09 PM +0000
We need to get the Int's back on track please , surely we could sort something out for moderating , how about a few of us take turns about, I'd be up for doing a couple of races , maybe more at a push. Need volunteers though dont know what's involved , how much time , etc.

Bernie - dropping the Inters was the right thing to do at the time - we just did not have enough registrations. There was a late influx of sign ups & - unusually nearly everyone turned up on race day.
Paul did the noble thing & gave up his spot on the grid - we also found a few runners on the grid were more suited to Pro speed  - but that always happens to some extent.
Provided we have enough servers it is a fixable problem - much better to have a surplus of drivers than not enough - proves GPL is popular.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: BadBlood on January 22, 2013, 11:45:00 PM +0000
I think resurrecting Inters is too much work. A couple of drivers can go to Pros (thanks Jonny) and it is, likely that not everyone will turn up. It was a surprise!
 
I will ensure that T7 is available for a non-championship race. That way, anyone will be able to access a server. This can also be used by anyone who feels that the racing is too gung-ho. That race will start at 9.45 so that anyone who gets booted out at T1 can still get a race.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: Geoff65 on January 23, 2013, 12:05:57 AM +0000
Lets not go off too half cocked lads, and look at the facts. giovanii and JonnyO were driving Lotus, which is capable of sub tonights Qually times in the right hands...My best in the BT11 here is hi 24's, but for me, that takes a perfect lap to achieve and I couldn't manage it this race. I was a little annoyed that Dave Rainier was asked to step up to Pro, as he has not to date won a 65 title. In the context of 2 fields only available, it would have been fairer to ask John Pennington to step up as he'd won last seasons Novice 65, convincingly....not just scraping in by a point or two. However I see Dave aquitted himself quite well, even without practice. Nice job Dave.

I think that the novice guys would benefit more from practice with guidance and advice from us senior, more experienced drivers than just being locked away in their own level with nothing to aim for. I am aware that practice time is precious, as we all have our own version of the fun police at home.....that can't understand why we play this 'stupid' game. So using your practice time wisely is a better option than just recycling the same mistakes. I for one am available any time for training if anyone wants it, i know John Roberts will assist anyone that is serious about getting faster...perhaps a few more Ints level drivers could make themselves available to assist the Novices. Most of what I saw in that race whilst lapping tailenders were not bad drivers, but evil handling cars. Passing on some setup advice to guys with quite good skills already would certainly compress the field a bit tighter, in my opinion. Perhaps we can get some discussion going on this in it's own thread Paul in the next few days, before we make drastic changes to what we already have. I'm sure some guys stepping up to Pro would welcome some advice that shaves their laptimes down as well you Pro drivers. For consideration by the membership......Geoff.


Race report later...... ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: Geoff65 on January 23, 2013, 12:54:37 AM +0000
Not my best pace ever at this venue, but certainly my most mature, low stuff-up count race in some time    ::)
Qually was ok posting a 25.21 thanks to a handy tow on the front straight to kick off the lap. I was less concerned about qualifying than having a good setup that was race friendly.
Happy in the end with P3, only 2 very fast Lotus in front.

Started fair in the race, the engine bogged a little off the line, but still managed to thread my way through the traffic into P2 on L1  Good Bad T1 everyone, I think most some got through unscathed. Tried to hold JonnyO off for a couple of laps but the Lotus just had too much pace for the BT and he slipped by into T1 a few laps later. Settled down to try and drive a pitboard race then, as encountering some lapped traffic early let JonnyO slip away out of draft range. There went my plan to use him to drag me away from Andy, Dave C and JohnnyP that were lurking a few seconds in arrears. All went quietly until sometime later, Dave C made a little blue, that allowed Johnny P to bring his blowtorch to bear on Andys Honda. He slipped through Andy and started trying to run me down. I kept an eye on the splits, and tried to drive as conservatively, but still quickly, as possible. In the hope the John would makee a major mistake trying too hard to catch me. He posted some of his fastest laps of the race in pursuit, but once he was within draft range of my gearbox i realized it was going to be....problematic, to hold him at bay. I think it was 2 or 3 laps I managed to hold him off....he dropped back a little at one stage, I was hoping he'd hurt his car in the chase and was having difficulties. It seems he was just gathering his wits for a final assault. Johnny duly attacked a lap or two later, however my defence of P3 had taken it's toll on the BT, and it was showing signs of distress in the LH tyres, front and rear. When Johnny got a great run on me down the front straight in draft, I elected to ease up and let him through, to have a look at him and give the rubber a chance to cool off a bit....perhaps mounting a counterattack at a later time.  This was around L22, sadly my car didn't improve much at all and encountering more lapped traffic put paid to any counterattack. I eased off to conserve the car and watched the gap to Andy behind, who was charging. He posted his fastest lap of the race on the last lap, trying to catch me, but I had P4 fairly comfortably barring any mishaps.

Congrats to JonnyO, Giovanii and JohnnyP on their well earned podium positions, and thanks to all the lapped traffic that caused me no hindrance whatsoever, well done lads. Enjoying the season so far.
Geoff.




Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: Pierre D on January 23, 2013, 01:43:00 AM +0000
I was a reservist on this one . Half an hour before the race, there was still some room on the server and I waited. I left when more people came in. A few days ago, I asked on Igor before a race how reservists were chosen when the server was full. I was told it never happened !  You're right Billy
Quote
much better to have a surplus of drivers than not enough - proves GPL is popular.
During the last practice race, I noticed my frame rate was steady between 34 and 36. During the official practice, as I was still in the pits with no other car around, It was at 15. I thought I was in a bad spot but it didn't improve after that. There was more and more people on the server and I decided to leave thinking I would have a chance to come back. Being in Canada has never been a problem in 4 years (I have a cable connection from one of the major providers in Canada). Have you  noticed yourselves any drop in the fps today ?


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: Geoff65 on January 23, 2013, 03:38:05 AM +0000

During the last practice race, I noticed my frame rate was steady between 34 and 36. During the official practice, as I was still in the pits with no other car around, It was at 15. I thought I was in a bad spot but it didn't improve after that. There was more and more people on the server and I decided to leave thinking I would have a chance to come back. Being in Canada has never been a problem in 4 years (I have a cable connection from one of the major providers in Canada). Have you  noticed yourselves any drop in the fps today ?


No Pierre, my FPS was rock solid the whole time...though I did get ejected (GPL crashed) just after crossing the finish line during Qually. It was fine after I re-entered, no further problems.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: Hristo Itchov on January 23, 2013, 05:56:47 AM +0000
I still believe it's better to have a grid of 10 drivers but of similar ability than a full grid but with a larger difference in speed. It would be a shame if the trend of drivers missing out races because there is no room on a server continues, yet I can see why some would be reluctant to move up because instead of fighting for victories they may end up fighting for 5th or 10th. If Ints can be brought back eventually, it seems like the better solution. From the number of drivers registered for Novices at the moment and the available room in Pro, there will be always someone potentially missing out a race, and without a proper way to moderate who gets priority, people who arrive a bit late may be left out, even if they are not reserves.

As for tutoring, I will try to install my lap guides blog on another domain because the one I used previously was taken down. It is mostly through one's own doing that improvements in ability are made though, by watching replays, reading about setup parameters, by experimenting and practicing, and by observing one's own driving in detail. IMO giving advice works only to some minor extent, but in the long run a driver should be proactive in finding out what works best for him/her.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: BadBlood on January 23, 2013, 09:57:54 AM +0000
The disparity in lap times is a bit too wide IMHO and there are definitely two divisions racing here. I can do a low 1:26 here without tow and I took the Honda because I have a stable setup. When I tried the Lotus, I found it handled badly for me and I was slower although the combined Prib time was lower. Maybe we could develop some really stable setups that the real Novices could use? Geoff gave me a setup which helped last season BUT I wouldn't have been ready for it a year ago. Practice Practice and more Practice. Which is a bit of a downer when you have to give up your race spot (Dave C - you owe me a pint!)  ::)

By the way. LEAVE ROOM AT T1

LEAVE ROOM AT T1!!!. The Red Zone moderation is going to be lengthy...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: Hristo Itchov on January 23, 2013, 10:07:58 AM +0000
I could make some setups that are easy to drive, if not fast. It's mostly down to the anti-roll bar and differential settings, as well as brake bias, which makes the biggest difference. In fact I believe a so called alien setup can be used without any change to the suspension apart from those parameters and it would remain quick yet easy to drive. I haven't driven all cars properly, but they're quite similar to each other anyway, so an approach that works for one car would work for the rest as well. The Honda and BRM might be a slight exception though, due to the different weight distribution they have. It still remains very much a subjective thing though. I'll see what I can do, it shouldn't take too long to make at least a base setup for all cars and then it could be adjusted to match different tracks by changing gears, cambers and tire pressures, as well as brake bias and steering lock as a personal preference matching the individual controller specs (wheel lock range, pedal sensitivity).


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: happyal on January 23, 2013, 11:41:26 AM +0000
The disparity in lap times is a bit too wide IMHO and there are definitely two divisions racing here.

I agree with that, I know it's only 1 race track, and they were in faster cars but the times were too quick for Novices in my opinion.

My race was pretty poor. I did OK in quali, and I got a time which was on par with my best. The race started OK but at turn 1 I was involved in an incident. I haven't looked at my reply yet, but basically there were cars all over the track all of a sudden. I got punned off the track and it took me a while to get going again, I always seem to come out of these incidences badly, I don't know why but I always seem to end up last, or nearly last when ever there is something like this.

I got going again and was battling for about 10th place with a few other cars, it was good fun and was nice to have a battle. My pace was rubbish in the race, I don't know why, but I just couldn't get going, added to the fact that i made a few mistakes left me doing quite poorly. I was quite glad when the race finished.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: BadBlood on January 23, 2013, 11:59:18 AM +0000
That first corner was BAD. I have reveiwed it and nearly everybody involved gets it wrong. You are, however, blameless Al. The best driving of all, seeing what is ahead, is by Tony W. Lesson to you all.



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 23, 2013, 12:37:35 PM +0000
 :angel:


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 23, 2013, 12:50:12 PM +0000
Really enjoyed my first "proper" GPL Novice League race. I have chosen the Honda and hope to continue to drive her for the remainder of the season. I want to do that with every car so this GPL malarkey had better not stop. My mission statement was just to finish the race and I'm happy to tick that box. Had some excitement too but until I see the replay I can't tell who I was racing/crashing with.
I downloaded some setups from a link that was provided here. Simply went through all of them and finaly selected the one I felt most comfortable with. Then tweaked it for braking/gearing/steering. However in the race I think I should have shortened the gearing as 5th felt too long and I only used 6th on that long down hill section after the start finish line.
Looking forwards to the next one now.

Thanks to the organisers for the series/races

WT


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: Clive Loynes on January 23, 2013, 01:08:56 PM +0000
:angel:

Creep!  :P


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: bernie on January 23, 2013, 01:45:37 PM +0000

Who rattled your cage  ;D

good to here your still alive and well Clive  :) rumour is your about to make a comeback , or was it writing your memoirs !  ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: Hristo Itchov on January 23, 2013, 05:58:01 PM +0000
I downloaded some setups from a link that was provided here. Simply went through all of them and finaly selected the one I felt most comfortable with. Then tweaked it for braking/gearing/steering. However in the race I think I should have shortened the gearing as 5th felt too long and I only used 6th on that long down hill section after the start finish line.

Two things if you're going to continue using the 65 Honda, out of the secret Hiki Waza manual.  ;D First, don't rev it past 12-12.5 k RPM, it just has no grunt beyond that even though there are a lot of revs remaining. Second, it blows up with ease, I nearly lost the championship last season because of blowing it up so often. For that reason it's very important not to overrev it (both on up and down shifts), especially at the beginning when the oil temperature is still rather low.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 23, 2013, 07:24:35 PM +0000
Top tips, thanks


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: Philippe Girard on January 23, 2013, 07:25:56 PM +0000
I can go on pro.

Me too.
If it's possible, Is not a problem for me to race with pro.
I haven't level, sure, but I like this game, GPL, and I need to race for learning.

I think Jonny must be stay on novice, because he can win.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: Boggy on January 23, 2013, 08:27:14 PM +0000
Hi all
Well finally sorted out internet and got a good stable connection. After reading what Paul said about times I thought something in the midfield could be possible...what a joke!!After making up a couple of places I was cautious at turn 1 when a Ferrari landed from a great height in front of me. Managed to avoid but got punted off from behind. Had a bit of a dice with Tony but after leaders caught us I just fell apart. Don't know why result says "disco"??
Would really appreciate any help with Base Setups and track guides, have used the LORS guides before, very useful. Thanks for the offer Hristo
Congrats to everyone
Oh and  ps managed a full race with no S/Rs

Cheers

Boggy


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: Johnny.P on January 23, 2013, 08:58:26 PM +0000
I got a decent start holding my position into turn one but between turns 1 and 2 the car in front of me was being really careful and I had to back right off and was duly shunted from behind and saw a flying Ferrari in my mirrors. At turn 2 I went onto the grass all by myself and after recovering I ran as best I could chasing 2 cars directly in front of me for quite a few laps. I eventually got through and tried to reel in Geoff who was only conceding tiny chunks of time so it took some time to catch him. A very polite Geoff let me through and I ran in this position to finish 3rd.

Right then...I seem to be getting several virtual elbows for running in the Novs this season, my aim was to do well this season and then hopefully move into inters next season. I don't have much time to practice so I have no appetite for spending time learning hard tracks with only last place to race for. I don't really want to race in the pros but if there is no room at the Nov inn then I will. :-\


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: Hristo Itchov on January 23, 2013, 10:09:36 PM +0000
I've moved my GPL/Waza blog to a new domain so it works again now:

http://gpl.lineage2universe.com

http://gpl.lineage2universe.com/setup-packs/

I'll make some modifications to it and make a new post once I have the base setups, with some additional instructions that should be helpful.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: Philippe Girard on January 24, 2013, 04:27:36 PM +0000
Thank you, Hristo,

Very goo job  :punk:


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: Boggy on January 24, 2013, 05:31:04 PM +0000
Me too!!

Thanks Hristo

Cheers

Boggy


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 24, 2013, 06:46:42 PM +0000
I've downloaded, thanks Hristo


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: dave curtis on January 28, 2013, 10:06:30 PM +0000
Geoff gave me a setup which helped last season BUT I wouldn't have been ready for it a year ago. Practice Practice and more Practice. Which is a bit of a downer when you have to give up your race spot (Dave C - you owe me a pint!)  ::)

Sorry for the tardy response - here is your thank you for giving up your spot!  Also thanks to the others who also freed-up spaces.

I had managed to get in at beginning of the event & put a couple of laps in.  Then thought I'd try coming into the pits as remembered there was some comment about the tight entry etc.  But to my surprise,  I saw no pit wall!  Uh-oh!    [I was sure there was one,  because I've certainly hit it in the past!].  So temporarily left the server to find a wall & was then unable to re-join.     

I was sitting around, re-trying every so often - just in case a slot magically opened up.  I assumed I had picked up the one vacated by teamie DaveR;  in which case the team would have done better if he'd stayed put!

I was surprised to have been so far forward on the grid & after a couple of corners things were looking pretty good (for me!).  Yes, it's true I make up nearly all places due to misfortune of others.  Then a couple of grass-tracking sessions put me right back;  so long for that 'hey, I think I can still see the leaders' feeling.

From 10th or 12th, was then able to creep up.   The last few laps were fun, was just able to sneak a couple of places.  I'd say lucky to have finished as high as I did.


Geoff also gave me a setup,  but GPL just would not use it.  Luckily, a semi-random Internet download seemed ok;  I even managed to find the right virtual spanner to adjust the steering ratio [that & fuel are about the only things I can manage].

Also,  I notice a couple of posts mentioning the draft.    Can't say that I actually noticed any difference & my fastest lap was in open air.    Is there supposed to be noticeable as per the F2s?  Or maybe it is very very subtle  [or if you typically run optimum laps, maybe then it helps with a tenth or two?]

Anyway,  cheers all.
Dave.






Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: Geoff65 on January 29, 2013, 02:03:05 AM +0000
There is generally not much in the way of draft in the 65's Dave, below about 150mph, however over 150 or with extra long straights.....like Spa, Reims or Le Mans.....it becomes quite noticeable.
Geoff.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: BadBlood on January 29, 2013, 09:31:44 AM +0000
If you get close enough you can definitely draft down the pit straight at Kyalami but that usually means you go into Crowthorne tight (on the right) and hot which always leaves me deep in the boondocks :(


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: bernie on January 29, 2013, 11:31:57 AM +0000
If you go in there trying a pass , would have thought the inside is the place to be , you have the corner , just have to make sure any oponant knows your there and hopefully wont turn in on you . conversley if anyone gets up your inside its often very easy to make the undercut , escp. if they go in too hot and run wide on the exit  :)

Its one of the greatest corners in GPL  IMO  ;)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: BadBlood on January 29, 2013, 11:33:36 AM +0000
Inside is DEFINITELY the place to be but the difficulty is staying there when you go in at 290mph...  ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: Hristo Itchov on January 29, 2013, 11:48:17 AM +0000
...go in at 290mph...  ;D

What car are you driving, Paul?!  :o


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: Cookie on January 29, 2013, 11:51:35 AM +0000
...go in at 290mph...  ;D

What car are you driving, Paul?!  :o

Must be a top fuel dragster, but they don't care much about corners...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: BadBlood on January 29, 2013, 01:08:11 PM +0000
I always crash at 290 mph ;)

or maybe its them 'forrin kilometty' things...  ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: il_lupo_mannaro on January 30, 2013, 06:21:40 AM +0000
Thx for your job Paul!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: BadBlood on January 30, 2013, 09:33:33 AM +0000
Mod published. Please read it.

Drivers MUST be cautious on the first couple of corners. That is particularly true at the next venue, Albi.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: bernie on January 30, 2013, 09:39:48 AM +0000
Ta Paul  :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: Johnny.P on January 30, 2013, 04:48:30 PM +0000
Thanks for the report Paul, I think we need to learn from this debacle if only to aid the moderator and their free time.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: BadBlood on January 30, 2013, 04:49:39 PM +0000
It was quite funny doing it to be honest. By the end, I was watching the replay though my fingers ;)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 30, 2013, 07:03:25 PM +0000
It was quite funny doing it to be honest. By the end, I was watching the replay though my fingers ;)

Coincidentally that's how I drive..........


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: Hristo Itchov on January 30, 2013, 07:53:55 PM +0000
Here is the guide I promised, with base setups for all 65 cars and replays of flying laps I did using those setups and my right foot to brake:

http://gpl.lineage2universe.com/car-setups/driving-the-65-mod-cars-tips-for-novices-and-base-setups/


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: Johnny.P on January 31, 2013, 08:39:04 PM +0000
I've just tried an offline race at Albi set at pro short- M spence lapped at 1.12... needless to say the field just left me.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on January 31, 2013, 09:29:20 PM +0000
I've just tried an offline race at Albi set at pro short- M spence lapped at 1.12... needless to say the field just left me.
Johnny,
From memory the last Novice race at Albi had a qualification spread of 1.15 - 1.17 (although Novices do seem a bit quicker these days).


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: BadBlood on February 01, 2013, 12:01:08 AM +0000
My best here is 1:16.4 and I generally lap at 1:17. You can make loads of time up at Double Droite by getting braking and gearing right. I don't!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: happyal on February 01, 2013, 01:42:38 PM +0000
My best here is 1:16.4 and I generally lap at 1:17. You can make loads of time up at Double Droite by getting braking and gearing right. I don't!

I'm about the same, high 17's is my race pace can just about do a 16 with low fuel.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: EvilClive on February 01, 2013, 05:02:53 PM +0000
For a long time I found Albi to be a real nightmare and I just could not find the 2-3 seconds that others cars were finding.

The answer ( as is often the case with me) was that I was over driving and trying to push too deep into the corners. This is especially true of Double Drat and the final corner.

So, a typical lap for me (assuming that we have tyres warmed up). Across the S/F line under max acceleration looking for your braking point for the blind entry to T1. I consider the sequence of corners from T1 to the straight as something to be approached as a whole. I have suggested gears but they will be determined by the ratios you have selected.

I try and get my braking done early for T1 downshifting complete ( probably 3rd gear) and the car settled ready to get as close to the apex as I can without hitting the bank and carrying a healthy lump of speed. As soon as I can see the track opening up I feed in the power and move out to the outside of the tarmac ( DO NOT GET A WHEEL ON THE GRASS!!) before aiming for the apex of T2...still under acceleration. Drift out again avoiding the grass, and set the car up for T3 right.
If you get the entry and line to T3 correct you will be on the power early and carry more speed with max aceleration all through T3 and T4 until you brake for Double Drat.
It is all very spectacular doing the demon braking thing for DD, but unless you get it it spot on you will be fighting for control just when you need to be very precise with both your direction and acceleration out of the other side and onto the 2nd straight. On the approach to DD I use the posts on the left side armco to determine when I can brake. There is a horrible bump in DD and if you try and stamp on the gas too soon it usually spins the car so be careful and smooth. Your chosen gearing will be critical on the exit as you want max traction ( minimal wheelspin) with as much power as you can lay down. Work on the principle that once you nail the gas you should not need to lift ( other than for upshifts) if you find that you had to lift to regain control you were on the gas too early!!.
Full bore up to the penultimate left hander, getting well over to the right. It is difficult to explain the line through here but.... remeber that this corner is more than a 90 and treat it with some respect. once you have the car hooked up and gripping the track you can give it beans on the exit and get across to the left hand side for the final corner......
This is probably as difficult as DD because of the crest on the exit. If you have too much acceleration  and are still turning as you traverse the crest you will spin and make a sudden pit stop. Just watch how many cars find themselves making a very sharp right turn!!
The secret is to try and take a late apex so that your car is more or less straight as you cross the crest and resist giving it 100% gas until you know it will grip, probably feeding in 75-80% smoothly until you are sure.

Voila a 1:08 lap!! well maybe not quite that quick  ::)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: BadBlood on February 01, 2013, 06:42:33 PM +0000
Followed the instructions and got a 1.x8... ;)

Actually used Hristos base setup and although it isn't quicker than what I had, it IS more controllable so I find that I can control the slides. Did a practice race and got a 1:15.95 with tow. Averaged about 1:17.1 over 8 laps so that was fine.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: Hristo Itchov on February 01, 2013, 07:54:57 PM +0000
Evil must be thinking of 67s. The record for 65s in SROU is a 1:14.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: BadBlood on February 01, 2013, 08:48:54 PM +0000
I think he just missed out T1, T2, T3...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: BadBlood on February 01, 2013, 11:01:23 PM +0000
Mod updated to account for Giovani's indiscretion. Apologies for not getting it right first time.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Jan 22
Post by: Boggy on February 26, 2013, 08:20:12 PM +0000
Here is the guide I promised, with base setups for all 65 cars and replays of flying laps I did using those setups and my right foot to brake:

http://gpl.lineage2universe.com/car-setups/driving-the-65-mod-cars-tips-for-novices-and-base-setups/

Again many thanks Hristo this has made a huge difference for me, hopefully Aintree will be a leap forward if I can be consistent

Cheers

Boggy