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Practice: 19:20 (GMT) (65 mins)
Qual 2: 20:25 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 ish (43 laps)
Cars allowed: Ford Escort TC (All), Alfa 2000 GTAm, Alfa 1750, Alfa 1600 GTA-SA (Volumetrico), Porche 911 2.5

Track: Mallory Park '09 Download and install this (http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=34624)
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Spent ages on this one, could not find a perfect car match without mixing the series, and I didn't want to
do that, as the cars would be unrealistic.
The escorts are faster here for me, and the fastest RS1600 and TCs do almost identical times
but then I said that at Adelaide, and the Eyetalians came along in the 2 litre Alfas and blew everyone away, so who knows....

I could select only the slower Escorts from each class, but there are lots of them so even
if it becomes a Squashcourt gala there are still plenty to choose from.
I've slipped the Porka 2.5 in there because for me it had same times as the Alfa, but for coleopterists
it may challenge the Escorts.

Alfa 2000 is the Alfa 2000 GTAm?  ???

Yes Bill, you could take an Alfa 1750 as well if you want.

The RS1600 destroys the 2.5ST unfortunately. Did a recent race at GC at Adelaide and the RS1600's were very fast and half the grid ended up taking them  ::) Not sure how the Alfa2000/1750 compares with the escort though. The 1600GTA will have no chance against it either.

Yep, the RS1600s are very fast here, the 2.5 is slow for me, but then I am always slower than most
in Porkas. The car mix is to give people choice if they don't want to just run RS1600s
At one of the upcoming events I have added the Capri 2600 in as a foil for the RS1600s

I think 2 of the Escorts RS1600s have less power, maybe limit it to those.

Yep, I did that at Adelaide and it worked quite well, though at least one person ignored it  :nono: probably a good idea, I had wanted to let all the dogs out to play,
but here (more than other tracks) the '72 RS1600s do rather run away with it.
And even the TCs are very fast.

EDIT: '72 RS1600 Escorts removed from the allowed cars. *************

I just testet the Alfa 1600 GTA-SA here, and though a bit tricky to drive, it will be my choice ......

....... that is to say IF the length of the race is reduced to 44 laps!

Otherwise this willl be the only car that needs to do a fuel pitstop. ( it has a mere 60 ltr fuel capacity )


I really enjoy the Alfa 1600 GTA-SA, so I hope you will consider reducing the race-lenght  ;D


Stig

According to xd fuel shouldn`t be a problem.

These are the figures:

alfa 1600SA - 1,16 liter per lap
alfas 1750 & 2000 gta - 1,06
porsche - 1
escorts - 0,66

so SA alfa need minimum 55 but one or two liter more can`t hurt because I do not try to squeeze every rev from engine before shift up...

Weird. Just tried again and best (worst) I can do is 1,21 squeezing every rev from engine.
When I`m shifting around 7500 rpm (max power is 225bhp/7250rpm) it`s in 1,14-1,16 range. Gear ratios default and for 80% of track is 4th and 5th ...

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-LoMUGSKF6w0/USkdDNogdGI/AAAAAAAAFd8/NuWO8Z47ydk/s1152/GRAB_000.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-OX-6nKWJWck/USkdP9fECRI/AAAAAAAAFeA/46QGHe8Q-Z4/s1152/GRAB_001.jpg)

I'm not kidding  ;D

Stig

I'm not kidding either  ;D ;D

(http://i50.tinypic.com/27xf8k6.jpg)

If you have a look at the fuel calculator within the game, you will notice they are the same Ed. Try 6xfuel and see how far you go. I believe that somehow your XD is wrong.

Stig

I started with full tank and after 6 timed laps and outlap (this means 7 laps) my fuel gage says 52,4 meaning that I burnt 7,6 liter for that. By my experience fuel calculator within a game works fine only with original tracks.

Have a little faith in xd ...  ;D

...or MOTec. It says 1.232 for last lap ...  8)

(http://i48.tinypic.com/eskkg8.jpg)

I get very similar xd figures to Ed showing that I can do just under 50 laps with a full tank. I thought maybe your brakes were dragging, but looking at your laptime I doubt if it's that.

Maybe try another car and report back.

Do you have the correct track version Stig? Just noticed, you raced here last year and there has been a track update since then.

Just did 12 laps with 15 liter of fuel and stop empty on Stebbe Straight (13th lap). Slowest lap was 52,658 and fastest 51,803 - no fuel saving.

It is possible for this Alfa to do race without stop ... my simple calculation says: 48 laps (and more because i travelled almost half a lap x4 gives extra almost 2 laps) with 60 liter ...  

If you prove me wrong on race, I`ll push you to the finish line. :yes:

Well Ed, I tried exactely the same 15 litres, fastest lap was 51.900 and I couldn't finish lap 12 !

Must be my rotten way way of driving i suppose, and soon the enviromentalists will come'n get me I fear  :scared:

On the other hand, I can actually match your times Ed, and would hate to let go of this car .......  ;D

So Matt ...... please, could you make it 45 laps instead of 47 ?


Stig

Did you check your track version number? Would be interesting also to see how your fuel economy compares in another car Stig?

I use the track from the DL link in this thread. I'll try some of the other cars, if I can find the time tomorrow.

Stig

Have downloaded the track on the off chance that I may get to race but can't see the server to check that all is correct.  :(

1: Server needed the track installing, I had to reinstall P&G3 because of the problem with replays, and life got in the way on Thursday and had no time left. Is up now.

2: I get 1.38 average fuel in XD in practice on line. This says the 60litre tank could do 43 and a half laps. I have set the race to 42 laps allowing
for some grass activity. Well spotted Stig, I had assumed that any car could do 40mins racing. I will test some more, but I will make it so
no car needs to stop for fuel.

EDIT:
Just done a 45 lap race in the VOlumetrico, and got 1.36 worst case, mostly it was 1.35, It was just starting to stutter as I went over
the line to start lap 45, so 43 laps should be safe.

Also, tested all the cars again, and any of the RS1600s are too fast here for the other cars, the TCs are fast enough, so the RS1600 has
been removed.

Even more Also: Please could "Nik" add his nationality so he gets a nice little flag against his name, and Jarda Zacek could do with
registering so he can score points in races whenever he races with us. Thanks Guys.

Good decision to remove the 1600 Matt. I was 1 sec faster in it using the default setup!

Stig

Yep

 I am doing low 1:53 with 911 2.5 and Escort TC, a few tenths slower with the Volumetrico and the older lighter
Alfa 2.0. I am getting 1:52.2 with the slower RS1600, so out he goes.

Just wasted a couple of hours then.  :-\

Couldn't we just have spec races?  I don't have time for car selection on top of everything else!   ;D

Just do what I do Clive, pick a car & stick with it.

Any graphic issues here please.  Having sorted computer out (GTL Brands Indy) I put in about half an hour on GTL and about the same here before my screen froze with black bar down center of Screen.  Had to Ctrl/Alt/Delete a number of times to clear.  System checked out OK.

@Bill: Sounds like overheating however much you have done.
Take the side off your case and try it, or use the ATI tool or RIVatuner to slow the clock - GPU and Memory and see what happens.

Ok, now I am officially scared, my fastest lap so far (granted only by 1 tenth) is in a 911  :o  :blink:

p.s
Why have you wasted a couple of hours Clive, there is not a huge difference between the TCs and the RS1600s just the RS1600s have more power
I doubt you have "wasted" as many hours as I have testing cars  :P and the laps reduction is trivial?

Thanks Matt - Tomorrows Task, have card manufacturer's utility to play around with settings and measure chip temperature.

Several of us have had similar trouble over the years, GOldTop suggested slowing the clock speed 10-20% and it cured my hanging graphics

Yep, while you're in there give the case a thorough hoovering out and use a small brush to get into all the nooks (careful not to disturb anything). I also found that increasing the gpu fan speed helped too at the cost of a little more noise. You might be able to find a suitable utility to create a fan profile (I use Afterburner for my Nvidia card).

for me the 911 is fastest as well - though it is also fastest to go off into the scenery. 2l Alfa is only slightly slower, but seems to eat tyres very quickly. Can't get the Escort to go round the corners which is not helpful on this track. There's only one Broadspeed Escort available - or am I missing something?

Is the more powerful Alfa allowed? Haven't tried it yet ...

Ummm, I thought there was only one Broadspeed TC? I have allowed all the cars on the server.
For me the Escort-TC is pretty well the same pace as the 911. I will check the cars on the server again.
HAL's GTR2 event should have finished by now.

LOL

I did!  And now it isn't in the race.

I had a setup for the RS1600 from Adelaide.

I agree, it's track time that's most important. If yo've spent a couple of hours on a track, jumping in any other car will only set you back a bit, you've nailed the lines already etc.
If I'm lucky I'll get half hour after UKGTL Race  (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=11296.msg202667#msg202667) tomorrow night to have a quick scout round this track (should be enough to beat Clive on Thurs :-*)

p.s. use your RS1600 setup for the TC one, use it as a starting place, wont be far off

to clarify - I see only one Escort TC, it's a Broadspeed. If that's how it's supposed to be, everything is ok.

I will have to check the car again, though, for me it was the slowest of the bunch because it wouldn't turn (and I'm not an Escort hater - my first podium, at Oulton, was in an Escort).

A couple of the Escort TC's have 217 BHP, and those are the ones that will match the Alfa 1600 GTA-SA and the 911 2,5


Stig

We had this before with the Escorts, the Broadspeed is (I think) the only Gr2 so if that is the only group selected that is all that
will show up. I deliberately leave all the cars available on the server to avoid this sort of thing, I will check.

I hate changing cars, I did spend a lot of time on this event, and always felt that my times must have been odd, as I was getting
very little difference between the various Escorts, which is plainly daft. Perhaps I am just not a good enough driver to discern
the subtle nuances of the cars, but for me apart from a bit more power the 16v TCs drive much the same as the lower powered
RS1600s. The 8v Escort TCs are quite a bit slower.
All the Alfas are available. At Oulton the older lighter Alfa 2.0 GTaM was faster than the heavier new one.

Just checked and all the Escorts are available to me when I join the practice sessionon line. I think there may be a clue in the
Oulton thread....

If I don't have 60's Gr5 selected off line I can only see the Gr2 Broadspeed, but on line I still see them all.
I checked the Oulton thread and nothing obvious there.

Thanks, the Gp2 thing explains it. Will play around with the Escorts a bit more.

All in all, this is a selection of cars which suits a wide variety of driving styles and approaches.

blimey you lot are keen  :o  3 pages of discussion in this thread already on car choices and fuel levels, i havent even turned a lap or looked at the track yet.  :-\  You must be the single guys  ;)  ;D

edit: in fact i hadnt even downloaded the track! just seen its a brand new configuration of Mallory Park, didnt even know they had modified it since 2007 :P

Sunday to Friday single, yes ;)

hi all....i'm an italian driver and this thursday i'll be with you in this race. this is my first time in english championship, and i'm sure that will be very cool. c u.
actually i'm driving on ROTW PNG championship
oops....my name is alessandro

Well I did about 30 laps in the Alpha I did well in at Oulton & got down to a mid 52 eventually :)
For a giggle, I then did 3 laps in the Porka (stupid cars) & did a 52.1 on default setup. I can't imagine what times a trained Porka driving thoroughbreds like MJ ( :whistling:) will be posting :-\

Do we always have to give an advantage to the Porka drivers? I had hoped that was just in GTR2 :P ;)



@Alessandro: Welcome :)

Welcome Alessandro. if you add your location in your profile you will get a nice Italian flag next to your name in the race results  8)

For the past few races the flying pigs have been grounded, this event they can really fly. I am now slightly faster in the Escort
though I agree well trained beetle herders will be hard to beat.  :sweatdrop:

Just done a few laps with MJ on line, I managed 52.2 best in the Escort, he was down to 52.6 in the 911 after only a few laps  :scared:

52.0 for me with race fuel. Only spent 20mins on it thus far.

It does like to step out somewhat flat out in the curves  :o so i expect to spin  :-X

I managed 30 minutes practice in the 911 and found that the rear left caught fire after three laps.

Mid 52s I think.

For me, the quicker Escorts (yes, I've now 'found' them) are within a 10th of the Porsche. Don't know how it will work out over a race distance - I imagine the Porsche is the riskier drive, but the Escort may end up eating the front left tyre.

I would expect the quicker drivers to get comfortably into the 50s in both cars.

Planning to be there if I can get PC fixed in time! :rockon:

vroom vroom... 8)

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Advert also posted at NoGrip  :)

GOod work marketing manager. :)

Very nice poster Mark ;D. We may get a very nice turn out for this race, I met a couple of our Italian friends on the server, when I tested it the other day. 20+ racers on a short track ....... that will ensure close racing all the way  :P

Stig

Our Italian friends? Better start practicing with one of the faster cars then...  ;D

They'll be in the Alfas then  :)

Nice poster Mark. I've spent a few hours in that exact spot over the years.

I can do a 51.8 in the 911.  quicker than my best escort time oddly enough

You shoud receive the visit of 2 or 3 VDA drivers on Thursday, not by me unfortunately :(

I should be able to buy a new wheel the next week, so we will see again soon, at least for some practice on your server. I will have no chance to race on Thursdays in the near future :(... damn!

Well, time will tell...

Cu chaps :)

Thanks for letting us know Manteos and hope to see you back with us soon.

I was on the server last night with Neils, Alessandro and two other Italian gentlemen. (I suggested someone buy Matteo a new wheel)
The Alfas seemed quite popular. ::)  and someone was getting an 8v Escort round in similar times to my 16v time  :o
I can see the server being busy on Thursday, better lots than not enough  8)

MJ, Geoffers, and others have sold these events well.  :notworthy:

With so many cars on such a short track it will be like the rush hour!

hello all one of the pilots I VDA my name Riccardo Gengotti 60 years I experienced driver but slow, the years weigh. I do not understand English so if I do not answer you in chat patience. I'll see you on the track Thursday :yes:

Can we check with Kurt which way around the circuit he'll be going?  ;)

Bienvenutti Riccardo! Lei è più giovane di Jackie Stewart, e lui è ancora molto rapido!


Stig

LOL

I have asked him not to park on the start line!

Also: Welcome troygengo. 

 :oops: :scooter: :whistling:

now it's my turn to suffer system freezes - twice this evening  :( . I'll have to race with an open computer case tomorrow - much like the open bonnet Abarths (though without the added benefit of downforce probably)

I lost connection with the server tonight.  Hope it's a one off!

fortunately no problems here.

Does anybody have a suitable setup for the Porsche -
for me the fastest car so far with only 55.5 sec  ::).
In my opinion the first two gears are far too long even
in the shortest gearing.

you have to start by setting 1st gear to the lowest setting, then you can get 2nd down as well. 1st will be good only for the start, I take the hairpin in second, set as low as it will go.

LOL Stig  :D

I can telly that you are absolutely right. You should see him driving a kart! A real devil! He still leave in the dust a lot of young drivers in the grapple ;D

Graphics card Kaput! 4yrs and overclocked 10%. New card ordered, hope to make Monday's GTL race.  :thumbup1: :rockon:

Told you before Clive, you need to do something about your internet, you have suffered more than most with connection drops.
Having said this, tonight with a busy server I will no doubt drop  ;D but I have not had a disco for years, and I have been with BT ISDN, ADSL, now Infinity
at my place, but I have also done many races from Southport on a poxy (slower than my BT ADSL) Sky broadnarrowband line.

It is always possible that the server has a wobbler and drops someone, but it seems to be the same people who regularly suffer
Stig gets discos now and then , and he has his own private megasquileybyte line  :)  must be made of bacon string I guess...

Tony drops sometimes, Clive drops a lot, Tudor occasionally, yet some people never seem to ever disco, maybe it's something
to do with routing from our server to you? it takes a dodgy path for some and not others? Everyone automatically blames the
sever for any problems they have. I would like to blame it for my lack of pace, I believe that it deliberately slows the packets
to me so I drive in a different time scale to everyone else  ;D

Can't you underclock it temporarily Bill?

I think something happens to the bit of damp string in Hesketh Bank!  Especially Wednesdays!

horrible feeling i'm on a hiding to nothing by taking the delightful 911ST tonight. One tap or lean-too mid corner and i will be spinning more times than a propeller  :surrender:
Still i shall be in one whatever! as sure the rest of the field will be in alfas and escorts!

Im surprised at the level of interest at this circuit, ive always found it a bit dull, like the basic starter layout in a scalextrix set !

I'm often suprised by the way the "simpler" track layouts often provide the best racing, especially when the terrain is undulating. One example would be that Australian track, Lakeside? or is it Riverside. Always had good scraps there. Sorry for going off-topic.

Unfortunately not, really is dead as dodo.  Computer man took out my card and fitted his spare basic card and it fired up straight away - proving card problem.  He expects new card by carrier tomorrow, so will fit pm or arrange to do over weekend in time for Monday's GTL.  :jumpjoy: :rockon:

Agreed. Tried the 911 last night and it was pure fun..

Problem i always have though is i find a big difference between lapping alone in it, compared to when in traffic - as soon as other cars are on track there is always a danger of having to lift off mid-corner or run into someone, and lifting off always means an instant trip backwards through the nearest hedge..

Try my easy listening setups which will likely be slower but as I can't drive 911s may be more stable.
The zip is just everything off the machine I did testing on for this event.

http://www.matt-rowe.co.uk/comp/PGfiles/Settings.zip

(http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o718/Chessiah/connlost_zpse6d45bcc.png)

Att. Matt : Send me a PM or a direct mail, if you need someone to join your test for hosting yourself.

Stig

I don't find that surprising at all Tony.

In GPL some of the best racing was frequently to be seen at Monza (Before it was ruined with chicanes) whereas, at the other extreme, Nurburgring was, IMHO, a complete waste of time for racing.

How do you get that track layout in the screenshot above ?

GTR2 map plugin - http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=26690
It's great for learning tracks and seeing where everyone is. Purists might disagree though..

It is most useful when you crash, you can instantly see if any cars are near when looking to rejoin.

Well who ever made this track for GTR2 needs a round of applause.....NOT  >:(

+1  >:(

I ended up getting hopelessly stuck on the hairpin-kerb  :-[

But I had a great race in the lovely Alfa 1600 SA, while it lasted  ;D


Stig

Think I finished 10th, I reckon I might have challenged Simon for 9th on the last 5 laps or so, but I managed to put a wheel off the outside of T1 as I was reeling him in & that caused my one spin of the race & ended any chance of scrapping with him to the end.

Good track for racing & good balance of cars, I didn't manage to extract enough speed out of my Alfa this week. Congrats to Jonzo, apparently the sun even shines on a dogs but some days ;)

Great turnout, see you at Reims (or Paul Ricard for GTR2 or Oulton Park for GTL)

Chris

That didn't go too well..

Pc crashed twice during qually (was on a nice lap at the time too, grr..). Got back in and rushed another lap for P8.

Sitting on the grid and i stupidly pressed my Shift key to change my driving view - it's what i do in GTL to go into cockpit view and i guess i just forgot for a moment this was PnG, not GTL. What a doofus..  ::)

Trouble is that i know from experience that trying to cycle back round to the correct view just brings up the "sticky keys" box and minimises the game. So with the race about to start i didn't want to risk changing it again and so was left stuck in bumper cam, not cockpit view. And it was horrible - couldn't judge where i was properly and probably braking way too early (apologies to anyone behind me). Surprised i lasted as long as i did (even a few good laps racing), but eventually mis-judged the braking for T1 and went off into the wall.

And just for good measure my pc crashed again just afterwards, so i guess i was not going to finish this one anyway..

Ah well, congrats podium and cya next race.

Well, this was a bit of a disappointment. I hoped that by putting in an early quick lap on soft tyres I'd get myself up front and avoid any trouble.  Ok, up front I was, but out of trouble I wasn't: the pole sitter stalled on the grid and I lost two places through turn 1. Chasing the front runners, I found myself unable to brake for the hairpin as late as the others and was a sitting duck whenever we came round there, losing more places.

On lap 11, I hit a white Alfa that was parked across the hairpin.

After I got going again, I was behind Simon Loynes who was a lap down but too focused on chasing seniordan to see the blue flags. After a good dozen laps or so, seniordan crashed (spectacularly). Then my wheel came loose and I had to drive pressing the wheel to the desk, and looking at a monitor that was turned 45° away from me. A little later simon who was by now now going faster so that I couldn't catch him spun and I was hoping to catch up with the 5th placed Alfa.

However, with not many laps to go, I ran wide at the chicane, passing through the barrier into the grass - only to find that you could get through the barrier off the circuit, but not back on. I tried to find my way back but eventually gut stuck somewhere and quit.

For the final few laps, I watched the battle for the lead between JohnW and Geoffers on TV - hats off to you both, superb driving!

Do we have to do incident reports as set down in the rules?

LOL legzy, takes a bow.....  ;D  bet you just loved being lapped by me  :laugh:

whoohoo 4th !!  8)

That was a frickin' superb race! Dont know about you guys but i was even enjoying just sitting in my pit garage with the sound cranked up and hearing a full grid of cars fly past or start up...mega  8)  Flat six's, BDA's and Alfas...what a symphony!

Qually was a hectic affair and tough to make a space for clean laps with so much traffic but managed to stay in the top 10 throughout the whole sesh, think i ended up 6th or 8th?

Kept it clean off the start and hung onto the bumper of Frex and another alien ahead for the first 10 mins or so, with decent pace and able to stay with them for once  :) As the laps progressed several guys ended up in the kitty litter or making errors and i was soon up into 4th  :o
I noticed Jos catching 10th by 10th and after what seemed like 10mins or so he was up with me in his snarling escort. That started a great battle for the remainder of the race with us swapping places a couple of times and great close driving with neither of us making errors.
Finally on lap blinking 42 out of 43 i had a duff entry into the hairpin allowing the pouncing Jos up the inside. I kept my foot in hoping to keep just ahead but it was a tighter line than normal on the s/f straight curve, the car got loose over the bumps and i executed a flat out 360 spin that i just managed to control and end up pointing the right way !  :sweatdrop: (that would have been a sickening end!!)
Jos no doubt joyfully sped off into the sunset and grabbed the remaining podium spot. What a great battle!  :fencing:

I was simply loving hanging onto the countersteer through the Turn1 sweeper, what an awesome feel, the P&G guys have got this great little 911 spot on  :notworthy: The event was superb, the cars well matched, and even cars trapped in the sand pit added to the atmosphere! and i'd said i find this layout dull!...ha, not in these cars.

Very chuffed to finish 4th with such exultant company (ie numerous aliens!) in my fave car  :thumbup1:

Top pace in the front 3  :notworthy:

Results and Replay posted

Well I was really enjoying that until I got ambitious on the throttle coming out of the hairpin and half spun up the inside kerb
on the exit and was beached, waited for the field to pass, but could not go forward or back, so quit before I caused an incident
bahhh humbug! that was so frustrating, 25 cars on that short track was always going to be a bit manic, looks like
most people coped well, and kept out of trouble, well done guys.

if you feel you have been badly wronged NPP then submit an incident report if you want. You don't have to if you don't want
we like to keep them as few as possible, we hope that people will sort out any contact or issues on the track by waiting
or moving over etc.

Jarda, Alessandro and Ricardo are not recognised by the server so will be "Unknown" in the results, if you can complete the registration
or let me know what name you race under I will update the members list.

No, I don't feel badly wronged, it was just a question of how to interpret the rules - it's only my fourth race or so with you guys. I won't submit a report.

I just watched some of the replay. WOW! what a start! 25 cars all piling into the first turn without anyone crashing
looked fabulous  8)

Trouble with such a big grid (not complaining about that mind) on a small circuit is that us slower drivers only get to race each other up to the point when we are lapped and then spend the remainder of the race, if we can be bothered, giving the lappers a smooth pass. Very frustrating.
My race ended when I slowed and pulled over to the right at John Cooper Esses to let Legzy lap me when my car hit an invisible rock and turned over on to it's roof. I was then unable to get any traction on the track so quit out.

After lapping around in 3th position for about 85% of the race and with both Geoffers and John in sight, I had a very disappointing end of the race. I had to pit for fuel in lap 39 and lost 5 places …. Feeling very N00B, I had selected my fuel load too low >:(

Other than that, it was a very good race and turnout! The start was nerve wrecking with the P911 drivers having a difficult time keeping it on the black. In the meantime, the 3 little Alfa’s could run away, which was fun. I’ve also seen a lot of non-standard track objects along the way, even a ghost rider in the hairpin :blink:

But thats not whats needed Tony, the guys at the back do not have to jump out the way or pull off the track or hit their brakes. It should be like on a real track, you stick to your line and then just feather off the throttle on the following straight to allow the leaders past. That way everybody knows whats happening and nobody loses vast amounts of time. I know its easy to do with a fast guy breathing down your neck but its his job to overtake somewhere cleanly and safely as he wants to finish too! I saw several guys take to the grass to get out the way last night and you just dont need to.  :angel:

Unlucky SuperSwift, wondered what happened to you at the end as hadnt seen your car buried in a tyre wall.
As a car set that was the probably the closest matched yet, and all the cars were great  8)

per 3 giri mi sono divertito, poi per non toccare un compagno sono finito nelle sabbie mobili e ho dovuto premere esc , secondo me la rs1600 del 71 ci stava bene perchè la TC era molto lenta di motore in uscita dalle curve. ho visto molta professionalità e correttezza, bravi tutti !!! vi lascio tradurre a voi perchè google fa pena

And Mr Google says:

"for 3 laps I enjoyed it, then do not touch a mate ended up in the quicksand and I had to press esc, I think the RS1600, 71 there was good because the TC was very slow engine acceleration out of corners. I saw a lot of professionalism and fairness, all good! I leave you to translate because you feel sorry for google"  ;D

1: Even the slower RS1600 was proved to be way too fast for the other cars in testing, it was there at the begining, but was removed.

"Anche la RS1600 più lento è stato dimostrato di essere troppo veloce per le altre auto in prova, era lì all'inizio, ma è stato rimosso"
(Something like that)  :D

2: I had not expected 25 cars when I created the event, it was very challenging for all, and from what I have seen in the replay most
people did a really good job of avoiding contact. One notable exception was where a driver backed into the path of other cars in the
hairpin while recovering.  :nono: instead of just keeping going forward and rejoining. Fortunately I had reduced the damage level for
this event, so at least one drivers race was not ruined by the contact.

3: The cars were quite well matched (almost by design you might say  :angel: ) but to be fair the reason the cars were so well matched
was because some of the faster drivers deliberately took slower cars or variants. Top marks to those heros  :thumbup1:

Unofficial LapChart (http://www.justanotherpage.nl/Srou/PnG/GTR2_09mallory_2013_2_28_20_47/)

What a massive field! Expected a lot more carnage but turned out to be a great race  :thumbup2:

Congrats to Geoffers for the win.

@MJ But even lifting on a straight to let you guys by ruins my potential to close on my nearest competitor.

@Matt: Alessandro and Riccardo were both registered here, so I guess you need just their nicknames on the forum to link the race results to them. Right?

Alessandro Tancioni => tahander

Riccardo Gengotti => troygengo

I hope it will be enough.

If not, just tell me which infos you need. However, I just spoke with Alessandro 5 mins ago, and he said that he enjoied a lot the race, and he was positively surprised by the high level of fairness and sportmanship he found here. Not a suprise for me  ;)

See you chaps!

P.S I see they're missing the italian flag also in the results. I will guide them asap, to fill this lack :)

i said feather, not lift  ;) the merest on a corner exit is enough usually to let the quick guys past, as they will be foot to the floor  :)

Thanks Matteo they are sorted now.

Well that was a very enjoyable race for me  :)

Decided to skip quali and start from the back as I was a bit concened about being caught up in early race incidents. I think Legzy and Stig had the same idea  ;) As it turned out, everyone was very cautious from where I was sitting, which was great to see with such a large grid.

Had some fantastic battles as I gradually made my way up the field. Some of the best racing I've had actually and I believe shows that slightly underpowered, well matched cars on simple circuits are a very good recipe  8)

Well done and thanks to all those I raced with  :thumbup2:

Brilliant race & not just because I won, had a great time trying to keep John at bay for about 40 laps.

Qually was very frustrating, couldn't get a good lap in, either came across a slower car or made a mistake. Just succeeded in putting in a good lap right at the end & grabbed a front row start.

Got the jump on Daniel at the start & opened up a bit of a gap on the first couple of laps. Daniel dissappeared & then so did my lead over the next few laps as John whittled it down. I think our ultimate pace was much the same, but John's strongpoint is he can do that every lap. Rest of the race was just a battle to stay ahead which was made a bit easier by having the slightly faster car.

Trickiest bit was avoiding all the cars that had spun at the hairpin, I think we came across 5 or 6 during the course of the race. Mighty relieved when the flag came & I had just held on. Great fun John, & a big  :thumbup2: for not trying any desperate lunges, I know thats not your style. As Mark will tell you, very different from some of the antics at GC on Tuesday.

Congrats to all finishers, cya at Reims.  :thumbup1:

hi all. very good race.
accomplishment all for the driving
i would like to see the replay....where can i get it?
thanx

Replays are at the top of the page    ^^^^ to the right of LM2. we group replays by SIM, so GTR2 - GTL - P&G



https://replay.simracing.org.uk/ukpng/20130228%20Mallory%20Park%20P8BHC.zip

Firstly, grats to Geoffers, John and Jos.  Great driving.

It was a tight one, that's for sure.

I dented my own chances of a decent finish by bouncing off the Armco, both sides, as I passed the pits early on in the race.  Highlight for me was trying to keep Tudor bottled up in the second half of the race but in the end he managed to squeezr through.  I gave chase but then messed up the hairpin a few laps later.

I had discounted the 911 because the rear left tyre melted after three laps; so what's the trick?

And how many rounds of hide-n-seek are we having to spot the best car in the next race?

It was an impressive field, shame it was only roller skates.  ::)

PS  Sorry MJ, couldn't quite lap Legzy.  :(

Non Comprende? the best car is whatever you want to drive from the list, which is not likely to change unless someone finds
a glaring error, and I don't think there are any. The Vette is probaby fastest, but a handfull, the Daytona and the Panty are close behind
the 906-8 is slower but easier and kinder on tyres, and may be appealing to the people who want more of a challenge.

SO, what's new ?   :angel:

I am temporarily testing a home brewed server for comparison/disasters at the moment, and maybe for a few weeks
if you connect for practice let me know how it seems? particularly if there are a few people on together.
Thanks.

Server seemed fine whilst on my tod.

I think these posts should be in the Reims thread   ;)

Just had a look at the test server (under "Rules" in the lobby) and there appear to be lots of driving aids allowed.....stability, steering, braking etc. Compared it to the GC public server and none of these are allowed  ??? Should it be like this?

qualifying: not so good actually, the escort lacked some pace compared porsches and alfa's, ended up 10th...

race: bad start, think i stalled the car so i was immidiately passed by 4 cars, back to 14th place...

first 10 minutes i was trying to makes places up which wasnt that easy on this track, but other drivers were crashing out of the race so that helped. :P

finally up to p5 i was behind mark who was rather fast, so a long battle commenced. all the way up to lap 40 mark's car finnally did what it should've done much earlier, loose the backend :P

ah even a podium finish and the fastest lap of the race :D sweet.

That was great fun :) Couldn't quite get close enough to challenge for the lead, except for one occasion when Geoffers had a slight wobble at the corner before the hairpin and I almost got through on the brakes. I probably wouldn't have been able to hold onto it anyway, as the 2L Alfa had just enough extra oomph where it counted.

Good driving, Geoffers. As you said, there wasn't anything between us in pace and it made for some of the closest racing I've had in a long time :thumbup1:

thank your very much Phspok

No Tudor it should have the same rules as we normally use.
I thought I had set it so. I need that machine for a while tonight (it triple boots 2008r2, Centos5, and now XP for the server  ;D )
so I will start the practice on the proper server, and maybe run Mr Testy tommorow.

My plan was to survive first 10 laps in decent place because of hard tires being faster and faster as race progress. But I didn`t make to that point because in lap 9 (I think) my pc froze for a couple of seconds and I ended up in fence.

I didn`t apologise to the guys behind because I know how much chat can be diversion in race for other racers so now - I am sorry especially for Nick for ending his race that way as a consequence of my problem!

btw my problem was recorded in event viewer as "low on virtual memory" - I use 4gb patch and this was first time that I have something like that. I had similar problem once before but that was because of my av start scanning (solved) ... I`m running win 7 64 bit, 8gb ram and about 15 gb free space on c drive ... and I`m out of ideas why.

Much appreciated Ed.  IMHO, there is far too much chat in both qualifying and the race. 

No problem mate, these things happen, It was a very tricky to avoid u in that corner and I ended in the barriers. I had fun nonetheless until it lasted :).

looking forward for the next race.

Kreshnik

Like this little bumpy and funny track - it's a shame that it has some bugs
(which do not exist in GTL version which is another one)
Happy to have finished.
Can share Tony's feelings about the slower drivers.
Maybe we slower "gentlemen" or "amateur" drivers should really act more
like in reality.

Fantastic turnout - grats to the podium. Was able to watch the battle on top
because I've been lapped four times  ::)

CU next week.

With this talk of lapping, I'd just like to say thanks to those guys being lapped :thumbup1: I very rarely have any problems as everyone seems to be on the ball and aware of what is going on behind them. I don't expect anyone to jump out of the way... but sometimes a bit of extra help is appreciated as the car I'm driving isn't always as fast in a straight line as the one I'm trying to lap!