SimRacing.org.uk

(http://www.matt-rowe.co.uk/comp/PGfiles/mustang_Combe_srouk_zps7e57390a.jpg)
*** This will be using the Simbin lobby ***
Make sure your LOCAL _IP_LOBBY.TXT file contains gtr2server1.gtr-evolution.com
Some have found that they can get straight in. Others have had to change their username or password or re-register

Race Start: Go on GREEN LIGHTS
Practice: 19:20 (GMT) (65 mins)
Qual 2: 20:25 (20 mins)
Race: 20:45 ~ (30 laps)
Cars allowed: Alfa 1750, Alfa 1600, Mini Cooper (ALL), Ford Falcon Sprint, Ford Mustang BSCC Gr2, Escort-TC 8v (36 and 94 only), Arbarth Gr5.

Track: Castle Combe 2005 Download and install this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/downloads/s3.php/gtr2/tracks/SRou_CastleCombe2005_2.0.0.0.exe)
Time of Day Setting: 13:00
Weather: Dry
Start: Standing

Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal
Pit-stops: None required

Server: simracing.org.uk BHC
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Championship Standings (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=384&theme=34)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see
cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7) especially the
rules about in-game chat messages.
(3) You will need to install Power and Glory v3 from:  http://gtlw-blog.flyingpig.info/
(4) P&G has no 'Pit Speed Limiter' function.You may go as fast as you like in the pits, but please exercise caution. Penalties will be handed out for causing contact in the pit lane. Use your best judgement when making your pitstop during the race.

(5) Please follow the SROUK guidelines for using kerbs etc. Please keep 2 wheels on the track surface (kerbs do not count as track surface)
Excessive cutting of corners will seen as cheating and the results may be altered to reflect that.

Standard SROUK Rules apply. 4 wheels on the grass at the chicanes is unacceptable.
Occasional outside wheels on the inside grey kerbs will be ignored.
"Drivers are strongly discouraged from the deliberate placing of one or more wheels on areas of grass, gravel and sand."

Warning: There is a particularly tight cut track warning on the inside of the exit of the 1st chicane, it also seems to
be a bit variable. Putting a wheel over (or sometimes on) the kerb there WILL get you a cut track warning
possibly leading to a drive through or black flag.  :hang:
The only safe line is to not put any wheels on the kerb at that point.

Cuts will be on. Please do a few laps on line to see where it is, and drive accordingly  :death: If you get black flagged you know why.

(5) Please follow the SROUK guidelines for using kerbs etc. Please keep 2 wheels on the track surface (kerbs do not count as track surface)
Excessive cutting of corners will seen as cheating and the results may be altered to reflect that.

Didn't think that the font was big enough.   ::)


EDIt by moderator, excessive use of font size  :P

 :laugh:

 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Behave Clive.  ;D

Apparantly Clive was a good boy in Hungary  :angel:, while John and Geoffers were "exploring the limits of the track" rather more.

This one is more obvious, there is Track, then a small kerb, then grass, the grass is the GREEN stuff, in case
anyone wants that confirming.

NOTE: Arbarth Gr5 added as the mini is too slow, and the Arbarth in the right hands could mix it with the others quite well.

Interesting.

You sure it's on the exit, I thought it was on the entry.

That might explain the variability.

It seems to matter exactly what your line is as to how harsh it is. There may be a cut on the 1st part, the right hander
but there is definitely a cut if you put a wheel over the kerb on the 2nd part - the inside of the left hander.
depending on the angle you approach, it may give a cut if you just touch the kerb, so my advice is don't.

The 2nd chicane is less fussy. I was tempted to turn cuts off, but I have done lots of laps without a cut
once I realised when it happened, and if I can do it then so can everyone else as long as they know about it.
I can see a lot of complaints after the race about it. No reason to complain, just avoid that kerb  ;D

No times posted yet so I've no idea if i'm my usual 3 seconds off the pace. I've managed a 1:18.1 on the server in praccy mode in car number 36 which means my rotten brother will be in the 15s

Well he is now in front of you in the PlanetF1 Fantasy League.   :P
 :lol: :lol: :lol:

I managed 1:17.5 in the Alfa, low 1:18's in the Escorts, mid 18's and up for the Yank tanks, and low 20's for the Arbarth.

All near default settings and race fuel

Average 1:16 flat ... fastest so far 1:15:3 with alfa. Similar situation with escort ... but I`we done only 5 laps each with available cars. Slowest 1:19 with britax mini (fastest one because of tires) and abarth ...

No suspicious points on track to report for "interpreting the rules" - just live cones (or whatever you call that pillars on chicanes) where they are.

I just finished a little training session offline, cause your server was not in lobby yet. I didn't know this track, cause I never raced here, but I like it. I picked the 2 italian cars on the list, Abarth & Alfa 1750 GTAM to learn the circuit. When I saw the car choice list, I was a bit surprised about the variety of the cars in terms of performance on some standard circuit, and reading the laptime posted by Simon, after some laps, I understood that Abarth and Minis, would be surely totally cutted off by the leading position. This track has too much straights to let the Abarth and Minis to be competitive for a good placement. I was on mid 19 in it, with the chance to cut not more than 1 second (probably less) to this time in race trim.
Then I jumped on the Alfa 1750, and it was sensibly faster on race pace than the Abarth. My best lap in race trim was a 1.14.2 at the moment, with not so much to improve I guess.

Talking about the white line, I just discovered that the cut detection is absolutely arbitrarily in this track. After reading Matt's post I deliberately tried to cut as much as possible the left hander at the exit of the chicane, and in my "outlaw" lap, I managed a 1.13.9 (absolutely illegal for you rules), but despite I jumped with two wheels on the grass and 2 on the kerb, the game didn't canceled my lap. In some other laps at the opposite, even if I was with the 2 wheels inside/on the white line and 2 on the kerb (that you consider legal), the game decided to cancel my lap with no reason apparently.
So now seems that your rules passed from "put no wheels outside the white lines" to an even worse, "The only safe line is to not put any wheels on the kerb at that point.", that sorry guys, but I find pretty ridicolous if we are here to RACE, even more if the detection cut is absolutely arbitrarily as I stated, and reading Matt's and Clive's posts is clear that you have two different views of where the cut detenction is, and your statements clashes with the other. I'm sure as Matt that the cut detenction is on the left hander, but I'll post you my outlaw lap, just to let you understand what I mean for arbitrarily cut detenction. I don't want to know what could happen if someone will receive a cut warning just cause he was door to door with someone at that chicane. It could become an hilarious situation.
Never heard about a marshal that forces the drivers to avoid a kerb in any circuit, and this time I really disagree with what you stated in your post Matt. Even more, seems that you missed something of my previous posts of Hungaroring in which I stated: "Evenmore you won't need any further marshall to control the other drivers behaviour, cause it's up to a driver that complains about the others breaking the rules to submit a complaint for track cutting. Nobody is asking to someone to watch all the race of every driver."
So, if you need someone that watch the replays for cutting after someone will submit an incident report, here I am, or you can simply give the work to Clive, that likes so much to watch the replays of his opponents to see how many centimeters they stolen to the track lenght.
I have to add a couple of things yet.
I quote you Matt: "My simple "Rule" is: Keep two wheels on the track surface on most laps." This rule does not clarify nothing. What does it mean this rule? What does it mean "most"? It means that you have to drive at least the 75%, the 80%, the 85%, the 90% of your laps "legally"? Does it mean that you can't cut the track more than 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, etc. times? What does it mean? ???
It's not difficult to make a rule for this kind of issue. If you give sense to that word "most" in terms of a percentage it becomes a very simple and OBJECTIVE rule. Example: race is 20 laps. the "most" percentage is 80%, so you are legal if you do not more than 4 cuts during the race. That's it.
Another example. Race is 22 laps. percentage of legal laps is still 80%. (22/100) x 80 = 17.6 you can round up/down that value to 17 or 18 laps. So if I cut more than 4/5 times, my drive will be considered illegal, and I could be penalized for that behaviour if someone will submit an incident report. The penalty could be done in terms of points, places lost or even in terms of seconds added to the race time, you decide. It could be gived in this way. Restarting by my first example: (20 laps - 80% of legal laps). If I cut 6 times during a race, I should receive 2 points for any further cut after the 4. In this case, I should receive 4 points of penalty. Same is with the places lost: You will lose a position for any further cut after the 4th. So, if I have 7 cuts, I will lost 3 places in the race.
All very simple and objective.
A Championship rule is like a law. You cannot take decision arbitrarily.  The rule regards every driver in the same way, and if you do not use an objevtive rules, we will follow to read sentence like this "Anyone want to claim to have stayed between the white lines?" before the congratulations, as Clive did in Imola just after he passed the finish line, without even watching the replay. What is it? That remember me the movie "Minority Report" in which the precogs predict crimes before they had actually happended. I'm just tired about reading Clive's "charges" after every race, and I would like to comment the race, not the white line issue, but this trouble will have NO SOLUTIONS until the cut rule will reamin unchanged.
Another thing is that this is not an issue restricted to me, Clive, Matt, John, GT and Geoffers, and I would like to know if for every driver this cut rule is enough clear. By my side, I repeat that it is not, and even GT and Geoffers were on my thinking. I just quote the post after Hungary race written by Gt: "I think there is a real need for clarification of our general rules and everyone should then be in no doubt of what is legal/illegal and exactly what the consequences are. " Until now there has been no clarification at all. Our DQ cannot depend by a generic word like "most".

Last thing. Is it a legal behaviour to put the 2 internal tyres ON (not inside, ON!) the white line? I have a picture to show to clarify it better.

So, is that legal?
(http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/2476/taglio2.png)

This is the replay of my totally outlaw lap, just to let you see what the game considered a legal cut in this lap:
Link => http://vda.forumfree.it/?act=Attach&type=post&id=530047639 (http://vda.forumfree.it/?act=Attach&type=post&id=530047639)

Thanks for your answer. See you on Thursday.

Errr ... why do I have those ones and you don`t?

(http://i45.tinypic.com/2i7s1p4.jpg)

All gets reset to 0 now for the main championship :fencing:

Ed. are you at the same chicane? we are discussing the 1st one.
I tend to run with detail on low, and i only get bollards at the 2nd chicane out.

Anyway, I seem to remember we turned cuts off for this track last time we were here.
Thanks for the testing Matteo, I will turn cuts off, but the cut police will be standing at each corner

To be fair, the kerbs are so narrow here that there is little difference between where ever you put
your wheels. Regular 4 wheels on the grass will get an incident report however many people do it  :detective:

Now, lets have a clean fight, no tearing of hair or gouging of eyes allowed

Because he has sent them flying on a previous lap.   ;D

(http://i48.tinypic.com/256wkgj.gif)

Yes Matt, this is the first one on full details ...

That was funny Clive... chapeau  ;)

However, to answer to Animal Ed. The truth is that I have an old pc, with a very low framerate if I put the graphic details on "medium" or "high", so I've to race with "low" track details. That means that in every track, I see less object then you on track. You can check it by your own,if you set to "low" the voice "track detail". Despite of it, I see the poles at the second chicane, but I don't see them in the first. I will try to set the track details to "medium", and see if I get a chance to race with a decent number of fps. I would like to avoid paying a fine to Clive for destroying his precious reflectors poles  ;D

Didn't noticed the second row of Matt's post. So, you just had the answer about what I called "reflector poles".

Thanks for removing the cuts Matt :)

here you go:- :)

(http://i1275.photobucket.com/albums/y444/MJ_p911/mustang_Combe_srouk_zps7e57390a.jpg)

ps...isnt the alfa 1750 going to wipe the floor with the rest of these cars?  :-\

pps advert posted at No-grip too  :)

Thanks Mark

It might if everyone uses it, hopefully not everyone will. Not sure about tyre wear, but a well driven Falcon or perhaps Mustang
could wee on the little cars.

for me, the Alfa is significantly faster than the rest of the field, but then I've never managed to extract any speed from the big American cars.

For me Alfa is about 0.5 sec faster than Escort who is about 0,5 faster than Falcon ... shame that Alpine 1300 is not listed because she could give Alfa run for the money.

Oh Dear,

Is it be kind to Alfa weeK?

Never get on with them myself.   :surrender:

Looks like I'll be in a fast car this week then......for a change ;)

Shame on you!

I had practiced for 30 minutes before I found out that there were any track cuts active, and that was only because I crashed!

They are not a problem if you give them enough room.

As it is, we are back in the hands of the well known toothless tiger, the cut police!  :thumbdown:

think im with Clive on that one, if people know there will be a cut warning they adjust their speed and line accordingly, unless the cut warning is totally unjustified/too severe that it spoils the corner. We used to have one like that at srouks Monza which spoilt the natural flow of the fast chicane. It was just too harsh and unwarranted and gave people silly S&G penalties. Not that bothered here. I can understand peoples irritation if they get an s&g just because they got a bit out of shape through a turn, these cars arent always precision elements!

Ive not turned a lap here yet in any car  :( not had any spare time this week. Will jump online this eve for some laps hopefully. Thinking of taking an escort as not used one in anger in P&G3 yet.

I have turned them off because to me and apparently others they are somewhat unpredictable
There must be a definate line that you cross to trigger, but it seems to depend on exactly how you appoach it
I have had cuts there with a wheel on the grass, but not if I keep a wheel on the kerb, but next lap i got
a cut when my wheel just brushed the kerb. It seems the cut does not accurately follow the curve of the corner
so in the interests of having a fun race I have turned it off. To be fair you get more benefit from cutting
elsewhere than that single point, so I doubt it will make a significant difference to the times.

Oh dear! Holy Words!  ;)

However, I'm not so sure I will able to race on Thursday, despite I turned a lot yesterday with all the listed cars.
My reference time in race trim at the moment are:
Alfa GTAm 1750: 1.14.3
Escort TC n° 39: 1.16.0 (but I could go on mid-high 15)
Ford Falcon Sprint (Terry Sanger - Less power but disc/disc brakes): 1.16.3 (chance to go down on 16.0)
I Mustang Gr2.: 1.17.xxx ( I don't remember if was high or low 17)
Abarth: I did not try again, so if I remember well, I was on high 19, but I guess it's able to do a mid-high 18)
Then I tried a car not listed in the first post, the Falcon Weslake Heads, and even if it was a bit slower than the alfa, it could be surely the best option to give a challenge to the small Italian. 1.14.8 for me (keep this pace however it will very difficult, I've done consistently low 15's. I will base my choice on who will drive Alfas, and I could be tempted to pick the Weslake Heads if it will be added to the list.

See you

Terry Sangers Falcon has same power as others except Allan Mann (also white as Sangers) who is the weakest ...

I`ll take Falcon or #94 Escort, not sure yet. Alpha is an option only if the majority appears with ...

Yes, you are right Ed. My mistake  ;)

I don't want to remove cars from the list the day before the race.
Too short notice for those who have practiced.  

I don;t have any test time now, so the list will have to stick.
noted that the Weslake is close to the Alfa though, thanks for that.

Just be aware all, that the Alfa is potentially much faster, and choose
accordingly.

Manage to get some praccy in finally, albeit brief.
1:16.4 in the escort TC and Alfa 1750, 1:17.2 in the Falcon sprint. (Didn't know west lake was allowed? )
All done with 40mins fuel onboard.  Can go quicker with Alfa I expect but only did about 5 laps in it.

Weslake is not allowed. That was just a suggestion from Matteo.
If I was to do anything I would replace the 1750 Alfa with the 1600 one, but would prefer not to
change anything so near to the race start.

In fact.. I will add it as an option for anyone who wants to self handicap or finds it an easier drive.
EDIT: Alfa 1600 added (Not Volumetrico)

Damn guys, this evening I will not be able to attend your race :(
Hope to see you soon :)

Have fun :)

Well that upsets my car choice. I was going to take the Alfa 1750, given that I was a second down on Manteos at least and needed all the help I can get, and haven't practiced any other car. But now it would seem you are all too polite to take the quicker Alfa - well, let's just see how many of them turn up tonight.

I'm not! 

You take whatever you like. If you win by a mile in the 1750 then perhaps you chose wrong   ;)
I will not be in the Alfa, but then I am not interested in winning at all costs, I am there
to have a fun race. :angel:

Edited by Mod  ;)

My patented PnG car selection method is to see what's left over after discounting any Minis, Alfas and anything with a V8. So easy choice here to take the Escort..!

Don't worry, I won't win, not even in the Alfa. But some of you are so quick that I need a fast car to have an outside chance of getting on the podium. And, quite apart from that, I like the Alfa at this track

As organiser my patented method is to run whatever is the least popular
here it wil be slightly modified as I could not keep up with anyone in the mini  :o

i will be in an escort i think, though might also try that 1600cc alfa as an alternative if i get time. Too obvious to take a 1750 ! Tail end charlies can take it though and close the grid up, imo.  :)

Mark, any ideas on tyres? If I take the Escort, do I have to run the hard ones?

Well I took the 1750 Alfa last week because I enjoyed it most, even when it was clearly outgunned by other selections. I quite fancied the chance of a decent result in it tonight and have put the practice in only to find we are now being discouraged from taking it  ???

Might be better if car restrictions were mandatory in future.....for say the top 5 drvers in the current championships and for new drivers. At least we'd know not to spend time practicing in the wrong car.

I have raced since 1962, and to me the two main principle are:-

1.  Get your bum into the fastest vehicle available

2.  Drive it as fast as you can

Anything else is just joy riding!  :P

Since I am not one of the uberquick, that's what I shall continue to do, unless restrictions are introduced.


Although Matt has provided a vast array of vehicles for this event I can't say that I have taken a shine to any of them; so I guess that it's the track that I don't like much.

The classic would have been better but wouldn't necessarily have provided a match between these cars.

Thanks to Matt for all his efforts.

If someone wants to manage car restrictions for events, sign here .......................
Unfortunately I would struggle to find time.

It shouldn't be any extra work apart from the fact that each driver would need to check their champ status. Your usual car testing would expose the fastest car(s) of the group and these could be indicated in the race post. It might just stop this endless pre-race "negotiations" and save you some awkward decisions.

If you needed more testing, I'd be happy to volunteer my time as I'm sure others would.....a quick pm would be all that's needed.

took the last minute oportunity to race & joined just before qually in one of the Alpha's (they're always a good safe choice).
Got some really nice little scraps in & profited from others mistakes. Eventually Clive caught & passed me with ease & then two corners later I was somewhat caught out by his braking point (in the same car as me) & found myself in the tyres to avoid him. Kept going round with a knackered suspension & had a few brief scraps as I wrestled the car now, but lost it as speed into some other tyres & that just broke the car a little too much so I quit after another lap or two.

Well done all.

Look forward to seeing some quicker drivers excluded from say the fastest two cars to increase the in race battles, rather than seeing them at the start line only. But understand some people aren't looking to battle race long.

that was a bit meh from my point of view. I took 4th on the grid, was down to 6th by the first corner and then hit Geoffers up the back at the 2nd chicane and bumped him off. I took a self/imposed drive-through penalty and found myself last. Apart from a battle with my team-mate Legzy which lasted for a few laps until he spun off, I had a lonely race thereafter, being able to slowly gain a little on the cars in front of me but much too slowly to ever get close to them.

I was, however, massively pleased with the 1:15.4 I managed on hard tyres and with race fuel - much too much fuel, as it turned out.

Congrats to the podium!

Very nice race that. Took the 1600 Alfa as a last minute self handicap and used a setup I created for Jules for our Silverstone race, so was surprised to find myself up at P2 in quali  :o

Got the jump on frex off the grid and managed to hold the lead for a lot longer than expected. A difficult track to overtake, but unfortunately I made it easy with a couple of mi-shifts and a wheel on the grass exiting one of the chicanes. Once ahead frex and John pulled away from me, but good fun while it lasted.

My left front was showing 24 wear by the end and my brakes weren't working at all well into the big stop (at Quarry?) Didn't realise PnG simulated brake fade so impressive stuff if it does  8)

Well done frex and John.

Bit meh for me too.

Enjoyed the qually battle, moving up and down the leader board with every tenth gained or lost. :)

Race start was odd, literally as I joined the grid the lights went green and I got swamped before I could even put it into 1st gear  :o
Was side by side with Simon through turn 3 and we touched side on which saw him off on the grass, was sad to see him DNf early.  :(
I then got stuck behind matts falcon for a few laps which allowed legz to close. I lost sight of him into T1 and had to brake off the grippy side which left me spinning!
Had a cracking battle with geoffers falcon for about 10 laps with nowt between us than extra horses in his tank!
Sadly I finally tapped his fat butt out of a chicane exit and the big lump surprised me by going off on the grass. I did the decent (but very frustrating!!) thing and waited for him to rejoin, allowing NPp and legzy through   :(
Geoffers fell off a lap later and likewise legzy a few laps further and despite a hard chase I couldn't catch NPp but kept a charging geoffers behind too of a dull 8th. I just struggled for ultimate pace on the medium tyres.
Was surprised at the many dnf's  ??? Only 15 cars tonight too, who's missing?

Amazing pace by frex in the escort for the win  8)

Nothing different that lap Chris.

I was changing down to 2nd to get steering and then back up to 3rd whilst still in the corner.

Since you were stuffed up my exhaust I suspect that you were going a bit quicker due to slipstream.

I was trying to get around the outside of Niels after the first chicane on lap one when he decided that he wanted the bit of track that I was on.  After my trip to the meadow there were not many people left behind me, if any.

So I tried to claw my way back through the grid.  A lot of people were on the grass as I passed them and I think that Legzy had dropped a wheel off the tarmac to allow me past as well.

Ed was the big challenge in his aircraft carrier!  Thankfully, when I got alongside into the second chicane, he didn't dispute who had rights to knock down which marker posts. 

I set about trying to catch Superswift but ran out of laps.

Grats to frex, John and Tudor.

Sorry Clive, not meaning to suggest you were doing anything wrong, you were obviously lapping quicker than me probably in part due to your 'slow in - fast out' approach compared to my normal somewhat "fast in - try to hold it sideways - slow out" approach ;D

If I was catching you over multiple laps (as normal :whistling:), I'd obviously have been aware of the speed differences & I'm sure been able to corner more in-sync with you, but it's harder to spot that in the rear-view & obviously you'd literally just past me. I should have applied more caution :)

I'm showing as class unknown in the results ???  I was in a 60's group2 car  ;)

We don't know if your a peasant or a gentleman sir?  ;D

Results and Replay Posted

Not something within my powers to fix I think. Is the 1st time we have used it, and was unknown as were a few others
each event we do the number of unknown cars is less as once I have added them they are then "known"
Nothing different with this car last night, I think perhaps Dave had not included it in the P&G 3 list somehow.
I will ask.

I was having some fun, apparently getting in the way of MJ  ::) when I put a wheel on the outside grass and spun
after that was slowly catching back up when I changed down too early and blew the engine :o

LOL
I must check my records to see when that happened.  Not sure they go back that far.  ::)

But thanks for choosing to clout the scenery rather than me.

I quit early as I was so off pace in the Escort. Just couldn't find good lines on the circuit and the chicanes are nothing like their real life counterparts. Respect to the drivers who were managing blisteringly quick times in the Escort, for me it was snail like.

Great race, lots of fun. First part very close racing with GT and john; second part in clear air and trying to pull a gap with some fast laps; final part after i spun allowing john back through, and then trying to chase him down again. Fun throughout!

However, i'm sorry to darken the mood and bring up the cut issue yet again, but i've submitted an incident report against myself for a cut at the first chicane on the last lap. Despite the fact that john got a little sideways on the grass and lost some speed, i cannot be sure that i would not have been able to pass him without my cut of the previous chicane. If not that's an unfair advantage gained, and i'm not happy winning the race like that. Especially on the last lap, when john had no chance to fight back.

Please exclude me, or at least deduct me a place or two. Sorry john.

Here is the sequence of events:

Approaching chicane, almost side by side with john:

(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb456/frex69/GRAB_01_zps83f6de20.jpg)

Exit of chicane - 2 wheels on grass, 2 on kerb, a clear cut:

(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb456/frex69/GRAB_02_zps0ceced8d.jpg)

John gets on the grass and loses a little speed:

(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb456/frex69/GRAB_03_zpsa29af9a0.jpg)

I pass into next corner:

(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb456/frex69/GRAB_04_zps1249f200.jpg)

I was really looking forward to this race as I’ve seen some footage of my favourite real life car (Dolomite Sprint) doing some trackday laps at this very circuit (link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq4NsUQRS64 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq4NsUQRS64))

During pre-race testing, for me the Alfa was way quickest (low 1:15’s average) and the Falcon at mid 1:15’s average. In the Escort I managed only 1:16’s at first, but as I like the car and its remotely comparable with the car in the abovementioned video, I decided to take the Escort Mann (best looking colours).

I found this circuit has many corners where a slightly different line costs you seconds, so my ‘quick’ lap during Qualifying was more achieved by having a lucky lap than by careful driving. Bit surprised to find myself on the 5th spot on the grid.
The start went OK-ish, I kept my position and soon found myself in 4th position when Geoffers had a ‘moment’. From then on, it was just following numbers 1 to 3, but was a little bit slower, so found myself running around on my own. Looking back, I didn’t have any battle at all! So a bit mixed feelings about this round, looking forward to next.

Grats to podium!

 

 ;D  You should have backed off a bit.  I was planning on giving you my undivided attention but ran out of laps!

Frex, i wouldnt worry about being excluded. I think some are getting a little too hung up on this cutting thing. The aim is to discourage people from doing it, not jump on people that may have cut a chicane kerb on the odd lap. If someone was deliberately doing it lap after lap or to gain a high grid position that would be viewed differently i expect. We dont want it turning into the fun police on here. Lets just enjoy the racing.  :)

Yes, completely agree - fun factor is much more important than final result, and this race was certainly high in fun! But i'm not comfortable with passing john for the win this way.

I think the point that Frex is making, in a most gentlemany act, is that he does not want to be seen as overtaking John by track cutting.  Not the same thing as habitual short cuts throughout a race.  If that is the only time that his wheels left the tarmac throughout then there is no case to answer with regard to repetitive track cutting.

For my four-pennyworth, they appear to be close going into the chicane but John has gained quite a good advantage on exit, when frex has cut the corner.  So unless his line through the corner has given him several kph on exit speed then his cutting of the corner hasn't gained him anything and isn't relevant to the subsequent pass.  I can't imagine why John has gone off the circuit but it it were me, I would guess that I was so busy watching frex in my mirror that I forgot to look where I was going.  ::)

Someone would need to look at the replay to see if frex's exit from the chicane happend to be any quicker than normal and in order for that to happen, then I guess that, an incident report would need to be raised.

MJ says it pretty well. Your "cut" would have been normal racing in Matteo's Italian series, here we prefer two
wheel on the track. If John had not gone on the grass you may not have passed either.
I think I did much the same at times in the Falcon, though that for me at least is harder to be accurate with.
We don't want people cutting corners all the time, but a one off would not normally be an issue here.
if you want to proceed with the incident report please do, but I would not have entered one for what you did.
Incident reports are more for bad driving like ramming people, not waiting if you push someone off, it would need
to be regular driving on the grass to warrant one. IMHO

Don't worry about it mate, honestly. I lost that place because I made a mistake, simple as that. The cut obviously wasn't intended and I wouldn't want to see a great race tarnished by incidents. Grats on the win, I thought I'd be able to hold on until the end, but was pushing hard trying to make up for the lack of horses in the #36 car and just got the line slightly wrong going onto the straight. It went light going over the crest and understeered of the track when I didn't lift. Good fun trying to get past Goldtop earlier as well :thumbup1:

Nothing much to say.
Boring race for me except few laps when I was trying to keep CL behind. Falcon is just too heavy for fliping right/left through chicanes and long gearing also didn`t help because I lost acceleration advantage.

Tires was fine for about 20 laps but last 10 was just keeping the damn thing on the road.

At least my aircraft carrier was the fastest one.

No worries about the bumps Neils & Mark, you both waited so that was fine.

Had great fun throwing the Falcon around but as I had to use the harder tyres in the race I was much slower than in qually so probably ended up in much the same final position as I would have without the incidents.

Congrats to Frex, John & GT.  :clap: :clap: :clap:

Unofficial LapChart (http://www.justanotherpage.nl/Srou/PnG/GTR2_castle2005_2013_3_28_20_53/)

Better late than never I guess ...  :-\

Thanks Alex.

Was afraid you had forsaken us.

nah, the fumes from the little Abarth's open-hooded engine were flowing in the cockpit so i wasn't feeling very well the last couple of days  :P

Glad of your mention though because I haven't got a clue if someone finds the lapcharts useful  ???

I LOve 'em  :thumbup1:

Always interesting to look over the stats Alex  :thumbup1:

+1

+2

Nice to know that the stats are appreciated. Thanks guys.

I would have put them up earlier but somehow the log on my desktop doesn't show the individual laptimes.