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Title: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: phspok on February 27, 2013, 12:50:29 PM +0000
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RACE START: Go on the GREEN light (LEFT of track)

*** We are using the full circuit, please use the hairpin at the end of the straight. Do not turn right on the
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Practice: 19:20 (GMT) (60 mins)
Qual 2: 20:25 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 ~70 mins (25 laps)
Cars allowed: Corvettes - C2 L76 Roadster/C2 Z06. Mustang ATCC (any). Shelby Mustang Trans AM/GT350R. Falcon MANN.
Jaguar "E" Type Coupe/Roadster (not Lightweights). Ferrari 250 (Any). De Tomaso Pantera "Stock". Cobra 289 Roadster.

Track: Sebring Classic Dowload and install this (http://gizmo71.www.idnet.com/srou/ukgtr/tracks/SRou_Sebring05_1.0.2.0.exe)
Time of Day Setting: 19:00
Weather: Dry
Start: Standing

Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption:  x2
Pit-stops: You must make a minimum of one pit stop during which you must take on at least 1 litre of fuel and/or change at least two tyres. You cannot take a mandatory stop with less than 1 lap to go.


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Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on February 27, 2013, 12:57:48 PM +0000
Ah-ha, I suspect you are in for some moody dusk/night driving enduro type thingy


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: phspok on February 27, 2013, 01:17:55 PM +0000
Indeed I am. Looks well moody here in the twilight. Was considering the VLM version which looks even better, but was very choppy
on my slower system so went for the "normal" one. If people want to test the VLM version on systems that could struggle
please do and let me know, and we might use that one.

If people are rash enough to lose their lights then by the time it gets dark, they will have had almost hour to get to know
the track, if you don't know it by then you will struggle  ;D There is just about enough trackside lighting to allow driving with no lights
once you know the track.

Car choice is very open, I might trim it if I get to test. If anyone finds a car that is way faster or kinder on tyres let me
know and It will be looked at. Some of the cars are there because they use less fuel and have less tyre wear (shorter pit stops)
Some are fast but eat rubber.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: goldtop on April 04, 2013, 05:59:49 PM +0100
Was considering the VLM version which looks even better, but was very choppy on my slower system so went for the "normal" one. If people want to test the VLM version on systems that could struggle please do and let me know, and we might use that one.


I'm happy to stick with current track. VLM version is pretty, but as you state it is graphically challenging. This version also drives a lot nicer and smoother than the VLM one imho although I appreciate the track is indeed very bumpy in RL.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: NPP on April 05, 2013, 10:49:03 AM +0100
I'd better start practicing pit stops - a whole new world of possible mess-ups opens up in front of me!


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: johnw on April 05, 2013, 11:19:25 AM +0100
I'd better start practicing pit stops - a whole new world of possible mess-ups opens up in front of me!

Yep. Don't forget to turn the ignition off when you stop. Otherwise you'll sit staring at the lap timer going up, wondering why nothing is happening!


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: Clive Loynes on April 06, 2013, 11:14:59 AM +0100
I notice that lelero has the lap record from Season 1 using a Corvette C2 roadster (#67007) with a time of 2:32.165

This would have been back in the days of the Legzy Dollar, in v2 of PnG, so do we have any feel for if we are going to see anything faster than this?



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: phspok on April 06, 2013, 12:40:46 PM +0100
Not from me. I had a corvette in that was way faster than the rest of the cars, removed him, and now they are all within a working tolerance I think
My average pace is around 2:37 - 38. I do 2:38.0 in the Falcon Weslake. Jags are a bit slower but are kinder on tyres.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: goldtop on April 06, 2013, 01:04:28 PM +0100
I notice that lelero has the lap record from Season 1 using a Corvette C2 roadster (#67007) with a time of 2:32.165

This would have been back in the days of the Legzy Dollar, in v2 of PnG, so do we have any feel for if we are going to see anything faster than this?

Yes  :)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: phspok on April 06, 2013, 01:59:12 PM +0100
LOL, I guess that means that I have been overgenerous with the Pork again, and Tudor is doing su 2:30's in the 2.5..
I may need to "adjust" the cars... Times anyone?

Not sure this is the same layout as before, we tended to use the one where you turn right and take the shortcut before the hairpin,
this one is go right to the end and use the hairpin.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: frex on April 06, 2013, 02:24:04 PM +0100
Not looked at the track yet, but on paper at least the 911 2.5 ST should be head and shoulders above the other cars here. Maybe consider swapping it for something like the Alpine 1300?


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: goldtop on April 06, 2013, 03:07:55 PM +0100
LOL, I guess that means that I have been overgenerous with the Pork again, and Tudor is doing su 2:30's in the 2.5..
I may need to "adjust" the cars... Times anyone?

Not sure this is the same layout as before, we tended to use the one where you turn right and take the shortcut before the hairpin,
this one is go right to the end and use the hairpin.

I was using the shortcut  :laugh: The hairpin makes more sense with these cars, but I reckon we ought to add a warning to the race announcement as we did last time, because there is no cut warning for using the shortcut.

There are a few hidden gems amongst the tanks that would challenge the pork over a lap, but over race distance as frex says it's probably a no brainer. Best to remove the temptation then  :(


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: Mark J on April 06, 2013, 04:57:00 PM +0100
I would drop both 70's cars as its obvious they will outclass the 60's American muscle over a race distance, tyre technology alone would give the upper hand. Maybe add a few more 60' GTs in their place? Some cobras would be nice! They are superb fun to drive in p&g3  :)
Not back from my hols yet so won't get much praccy in before the event!


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on April 06, 2013, 06:09:14 PM +0100
In my tests the 60's cars were very able to compete with the others so I would not like to see any change at this point. Let the drivers decide from the fine selection you have offered us  ;)
I'm probably leaning towards the Falcon Weslake.





Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: Clive Loynes on April 06, 2013, 08:51:34 PM +0100
Even in my hands, the 911 is >3 seconds a lap faster, easier to drive and the tyres last longer.

It's a no brainer.

But since this race will take about three times as much preparation as the normal format could we please confirm the car selection before I waste any more time practicing cars that may not be available.

Some of us do not have the talent to show up on race night, pick a car because we like the colour and then be competitive.   :no:



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: Animal Ed on April 06, 2013, 10:36:33 PM +0100
I`ll take Shelby gt350 ... or most powerfull car with blue and red "go faster" stripes ...


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: phspok on April 07, 2013, 10:49:27 AM +0100
Hmm, The previous event had different cars, Lelero won in an L88 roadster and the silver vette is not included here either
Gimme some times please? the Pork could go, i just put it in for a bit of variety for those who don#t want Yank Tanks
The Jags also, thoiugh they are slower, the Panty Stock was not as fast as the Falcon for e.g
I could add the 289 Cobras I suppose. I will sort it later today.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: goldtop on April 07, 2013, 11:31:49 AM +0100
I've been testing using the shortcut, which I'm afraid makes my times irrelevant  ::) I have found however that there are some cars that are a bit quicker than others and might be worth restricting/discouraging their use for faster types....

GT50R  #020 Hane, #180 Brown Bros

Mustang ATCC  #001 Total

Vette C2 Z06   #05 George Robertson Jr

I still say the Porsche is too quick unfortunately :'(




Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: phspok on April 07, 2013, 11:44:34 AM +0100
Thanks Tudor. I found the white RObertson vette to be slightly slower for me than the Falcon Weslake, the L72 roadster was a bit slower
the ATCC no 1 was about the same pace for me, I will have another go in it, the CASC is very quick and for me fitted nicely
with the ATCC and the Falcon. The non lightweight Jags were quite a bit slower, but may be a winner over the distance
with shorter stops.The 250 similar sort of thing. The 275s and lightweight jags were were way too fast. I will remove the 911
and test the 289 Cobras.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: phspok on April 07, 2013, 12:59:13 PM +0100
Ok. Final car adjustment:

Removed:  Falcon Weslake, Porche 911 2.5
Added   :  Cobra 289 roadster only.


The Falcon Weslake is just that bit too fast, the MANN is fast enough. The ATCC 01 is identical times for me to the
CASC. THe Falcon MANN is a few tenths behind them. The C2 L76 coupe is around the same pace, the Z06 is nearly a second slower
and the Panty Stock is 3 seconds slower but needs less fuel and is kinder on tyres.
The Jags also use less fuel and less tyres. The 911 is too fast in other people's hands, the Cobra 289 roadster is for me similar
pace to the C2 Z06 but is an easier drive.

Remember we are using the hairpin at the end of the straight, NOT the shortcut just after the bridge.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: NPP on April 07, 2013, 06:11:12 PM +0100
I'm sure this will earn me the prize for the most stupid question ever asked on this board, but: how do I find the track? My car is somewhere in the paddock but I can't get on track, I don't know where it is and I get disqualified for driving the wrong way around. Can't even find the bloody pitlane!  ???

EDIT: found it, in case anybody else has the problem, aim for the gap between the end of the pit stalls and the two green portaloos, right towards the end of the pitlane!


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: NPP on April 07, 2013, 10:16:09 PM +0100
Now that I have found the circuit ;) the Cobra is the fastest car for me by a country mile. It's true that I don't get on with the tanks though.

Also, do all the cars need two stops for fuel?

Just to be sure, I've never done an endurance event before.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: phspok on April 08, 2013, 08:28:56 AM +0100
I have to complete fuel testing yet. If all cars need two stops that's fine. if only one does
I may adjust the race length like I did last time. The Cobra, even the roadster, is a good car
for this sort of thing, for me it is a second slower than the big muscle, but may be better
over the distance.

As mentioned, the exit from paddock is to the left of the big red and white tent next to
the two green portaloos, There is a big hole to nirvana if you take the wrong shortcut  :o


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: Geoffers on April 08, 2013, 11:40:10 AM +0100
What sort of laptime should we be aiming at? I tried the Cobra Roadster for a few laps & got into the 2.34s quite easily with basically default setup. Is this too fast? If one of the Corvettes is capable of 2.32s, I guess that 2.34s is OK. Haven't got time to try out many cars so I usually pick one & stick to it.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: NPP on April 08, 2013, 11:49:08 AM +0100
There is a big hole to nirvana if you take the wrong shortcut  :o

Found that too!

As to laptimes, I could do a 2:35 in the Cobra (default setup with a full load of fuel) but I am way off that in all the other cars.

The setup screen says that all the cars will do between 9 and 11 laps per tank, so probably none will get through on two stops.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: phspok on April 08, 2013, 12:02:55 PM +0100
My times are much slower. I was aiming for > 2:40
I was getting low/mid 2:40 for ATCC (no 01), CASC, White Robertson Vette.
2:41 for Cobra and the other GT350s and the vette roadster. 2:42 for Jags, a bit slower for Ferri.

I think the Cobra could be a good car for this, some others are a bit faster
but may be harder on tyres, depends how good people are at coping with
worn/hot tyres.

I will do some fuel testing tonight, if all cars need to stop at least once with normal fuel use
then I may set it to that, of all need 2 stops then I may leave it as is. The in game 11 laps
doesn't usually agree with XD which is what I use to decide race length.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on April 08, 2013, 12:34:03 PM +0100
I always ignore the in-game fuel estimates. XD provides accurate fuel information.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: Geoffers on April 08, 2013, 01:31:57 PM +0100
Can't remember exactly, but I think the Cobra will do about 14 laps on a tankful.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: goldtop on April 08, 2013, 02:33:12 PM +0100
I always ignore the in-game fuel estimates. XD provides accurate fuel information.


Agreed. XD is very useful for this and also for providing real time tyre wear data. In game figures are a waste of time.

In my testing I've not seen any car which will require more than one stop for fuel.

Never liked E Types, so looks like I'll be having to get my head round driving the tanks for this one.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: Mark J on April 08, 2013, 05:33:30 PM +0100
Hola!, im back from sunny Espania !  8 days of 20-24 degrees 8)  

Hows this? :-

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Advert posted at No-Grip too  :)



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: NPP on April 08, 2013, 09:18:51 PM +0100
ok my game seems to have recalibrated itself somehow and now shows none of the cars as needing more than one stop. Don't know what happened there - sorry for misleading you.

another thing: at least offline, the pit limiter seems to be engaged after the pitstop, and cannot be switched off. Does everyone have this at this track?


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: Geoffers on April 09, 2013, 12:02:37 AM +0100
Just given the Corvette L76 a go, managed 2.37s in it, some 3s slower than the Cobra.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: phspok on April 09, 2013, 07:46:43 AM +0100
That's a lot. the Cobra is probably too fast, or it will become a Cobra spec race
Either way, I've spent enough hours on this one, so the cars are set.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: Mark J on April 09, 2013, 10:40:08 AM +0100
not tried any of the cars here yet, but surprised to hear the cobra being quicker. In a fairly recent GC race at Spa the cobra was blown away by most of the yank tanks but it was such a lovely car to drive i took it anyway! and was hoping to do likewise here due to my lack of track time.  :-\
Wont get a chance to do any laps until tomorrow eve.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: phspok on April 09, 2013, 11:26:56 AM +0100
My findings are much the same as MJ, it is an easier drive, and may be kinder on tyres
so maybe I am just not a good snake charmer but for me it was a second slower than the
CASC and the ATCC, and half a second slower than the WHite Robertson Vette.
My Cobra times could be as good as my Pork times I guess :whistling:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: Clive Loynes on April 09, 2013, 06:18:21 PM +0100

My Cobra times could be as good as my Pork times I guess :whistling:

Good grief!

THAT BAD!?

Is there a server in sight yet?


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: phspok on April 10, 2013, 08:21:19 AM +0100
Ummm My server has been up most of the time since last week. Seems that sometimes the servers don't advertise in the Lobby as they should, I was using mine to see if it is a common prob or not and it seems it is.

I have started the official practice server as well, hopefully it will be visible in the lobby.

You are a cheeky boy young CLive  :wetfish:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: Geoffers on April 10, 2013, 08:51:31 AM +0100
That's a lot. the Cobra is probably too fast, or it will become a Cobra spec race

Maybe not, had a bit of time last night & tried the Hane GT350R & went faster than I had managed in the Cobra!


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: goldtop on April 10, 2013, 10:10:31 AM +0100
That's a lot. the Cobra is probably too fast, or it will become a Cobra spec race

Maybe not, had a bit of time last night & tried the Hane GT350R & went faster than I had managed in the Cobra!

Yes I found that too. However, the Cobra is an easier drive for me and does better with tyre wear which should make things interesting.

Do we know if the pit speed limit applies here yet? I don't want to be caught out like I was at Potrero  ::)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on April 10, 2013, 12:30:00 PM +0100
After much practise I'm not feeling the love for this track so I'll sit this one out. Have fun.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: Manteos on April 10, 2013, 04:50:42 PM +0100

Do we know if the pit speed limit applies here yet? I don't want to be caught out like I was at Potrero  ::)

Just checked the .gdb files of the different Sebring layout into the main folder, and all the .gdb files say: RacePitKPH = 80  NormalPitKPH = 80

So the pit limiter should be active during the race. Just give a try offline setting a 2 laps race, and enter the pit lane without activate the pit limiter manually. If the limiter switch on automatically when you cross the white line of the pit lane, be sure that the speed limit in pit lane is activated, and you will receive a stop&go if you cross the line over the 80 km/h.

The loan of the steering wheel is finished, so I won't race for sure this time chaps. Have a good one chaps :)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: Mark J on April 10, 2013, 05:03:01 PM +0100
my cunning plan to get a load of laps in tonight is now thwarted thanks to a b*stard 12 mile 5 hour traffic jam on the m25 meaning my missus missed her plane to Italy  >:(  even if i wanted to do them, my love of driving is somewhat curbed after that waste of half a day of my life  ::)

That leaves me facing an enduro event with zero practise  :( will have to use pre-race practise and qually as my familiarisation laps. Any info on fuel useage etc will be greatly appreciated as wont have time to run any fuel run tests. Probably going to take the Cobra as i like it.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: goldtop on April 10, 2013, 05:47:27 PM +0100
Thanks for the info on pitlane speed limit Manteos, I'll try it later.

@MJ fuel strategy in the Cobra is easy, just brim it at the start and at your single pitstop and you'll be fine.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: Clive Loynes on April 10, 2013, 06:02:58 PM +0100
Sounds like we have all fallen for the charms of the Cobra.   ::)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: Mark J on April 10, 2013, 07:03:28 PM +0100
its a cool car, whats not to like? I assume your implying it has some advantage? I thought the vettes would be quicker, but then not done any laps to prove either way  :(
My only other choice would have been a 250GTO or an E-type(if lightweights allowed) but sadly both will prob be blown away by the yank tanks.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: NPP on April 10, 2013, 08:55:26 PM +0100
Does anybody else get error messages for failed downloads of updates when starting the game launcher?

Cobra fuel: I just got 13 laps to a full tank, so, as Goldtop said, two full tanks will do. I definitely have to take the Cobra, as I can't get the tanks to get round the corners (at least not pointing the right way), the Ferrari doesn't seem to have any brakes and the E-type no power.

Don't know whether you could get away without a tyre change - any ideas? I wanted to test this, but the pit stop in online practice takes you back to the garage unfortunately. I don't have time to do two more stints now.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: goldtop on April 10, 2013, 09:13:08 PM +0100
Does anybody else get error messages for failed downloads of updates when starting the game launcher?


Yes, that's been happening to me the last couple of weeks. Doesn't seem to cause any problems though  ???


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: Animal Ed on April 10, 2013, 09:22:07 PM +0100

Don't know whether you could get away without a tyre change - any ideas? I wanted to test this, but the pit stop in online practice takes you back to the garage unfortunately. I don't have time to do two more stints now.

Try with pit request before entering the pit.

For me it is on keyboard key "7" and I think it is there by default because I can`t remember that I bothered to do it by myself.

btw I can do almost 15 laps with cobra - 14 laps and I have about 5 liter left ... but I'm not revving `till I hit imaginary rev limiter ( no such thing in real car) and i tend to do a short shifting because of "wooden" right foot ... saves fuel more than you think.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: Clive Loynes on April 10, 2013, 09:49:51 PM +0100
My test suggested that the Cobra needed two stops.

It can do 12.9 laps on 120 ltr.  Sadly I can't fill up after 12.5 laps.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: goldtop on April 10, 2013, 10:00:11 PM +0100
My test suggested that the Cobra needed two stops.

It can do 12.9 laps on 120 ltr.  Sadly I can't fill up after 12.5 laps.

Well I'm getting 8.9L / lap which will get me 13 laps on a 120L tank  :angel:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: Animal Ed on April 10, 2013, 10:30:18 PM +0100
(http://i50.tinypic.com/15gotpc.png)

First flyer 2:36 ... after few laps I was on high 34`s still with that fuel consumption ... but don`t like it. Too easy to drive so no challenge/fun. I`ll stick with gt350 trying to make decent lap times and keep alive rear left tire for the stint ...


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: Mark J on April 11, 2013, 06:46:01 AM +0100
Does anybody else get error messages for failed downloads of updates when starting the game launcher?


Yes, that's been happening to me the last couple of weeks. Doesn't seem to cause any problems though  ???

Same here except only started happening last few days.

Finally got some late tired laps in last night with frex and Jamera present too. Only managed 2:38s though with race fuel. Something doesn't feel quite right with the cobra here, it seems to have too much grip and compliance for a lairy old 60s GT car  ??? It didn't feel like that at spa when I raced it. I wonder if the tracks got odd grip levels? It's a cack version of Sebring IMO, far too bright and smooth, we should have used the VLM version. :(
I tried the 250gto too but although Frex could match my cobra times, I was 3 secs slower in it and just haven't got time to set it up further.
Not practised any pit stops so expect I will balls them up again  ::)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: phspok on April 11, 2013, 09:01:44 AM +0100
Lighweights not allowed because they were at least as fast as the Yank Tanks
Cobra is probably not the fastest, but is a safe option. The Falcon is also a fairly easy drive.
The big cars can do 27 + laps on 2x full 120 ltr tank, some a bit more. Jags are less thirsty.
The big cars will need to pit on the correct lap or they could run out. I might make it 24 laps
to ease the pressure.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: Alex vV on April 11, 2013, 11:10:47 AM +0100
I might make it 24 laps to ease the pressure.
Isn't it actually part of the enduro challenge to just make it/just don't make it with your fuel strategy ?

Just my two cents..  :whistling:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: Mark J on April 11, 2013, 12:08:39 PM +0100
I agree Alex, shouldnt keep altering number of laps to suit a certain car..or wheres the strategy?! The idea is to make your fast but thirsty car finish ahead of the slower more but more fuel efficient cars. If we can all fill up to same level and blast to the end, whats the point of an enduro with pit-stops?
Got to make those in the fast thirsty car ease off or short shift if they want to get there on their fuel rather than go full throttle start to finish. :) It means they have to carry more fuel compared to the slower/smaller engine cars and brings some natural balance back to the pack.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: Legzy on April 11, 2013, 12:16:01 PM +0100
Not practised any pit stops so expect I will balls them up again  ::)
I've always considered you as the "King of Pitstops!", I'm sure even without practicing them, an experienced old pro like you, your stop will remain as slick as ever mate! :P


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: Mark J on April 11, 2013, 12:32:44 PM +0100
hehe nice one Legzy!  ;D No slicker pit crew than the Legends! they are too busy swilling beer in the back of the garage with the grid girls  :D


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: phspok on April 11, 2013, 12:56:50 PM +0100
Hmmm, My original idea was that the faster cars would need longer stops to take on more fuel
and maybe need to replace tyres, not that they would need to do more stops as well.
My testing says that the gas guzzlers should just make it to a stop at the end of lap 13
If I am way out on that then I could reduce laps, but I would rather leave it as is.
I was getting someting like 8.6 ltrs/lap for the big tanks, so they can go almost to the end of lap 14
and I was driving as fuel inefficiently as I could.  :tank:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: SpecialKS on April 11, 2013, 05:56:51 PM +0100
After much practise I'm not feeling the love for this track so I'll sit this one out. Have fun.

I skip this one too for the same reason but I did only a few laps and was unable
to find a stable way of driving on this slippery track.

Have fun and cu next time.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: Manteos on April 11, 2013, 06:48:59 PM +0100
I wonder if someone did read this guide I posted in GTR2 section in 2011 to do a fast pit stop. You can read all my "secrets" there :)

Obviously the radio comunication were not possible, so you won't here neither a voice of your pit crew in P&G. The rest of the guide is absolutely good even for the P&G. Remember to use the HUD to check if the "PIT" blue light is switched on when you request the pit pushing the key that you assigned to this command.

LINK => https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=10057.msg183508#msg183508 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=10057.msg183508#msg183508)

Have fun :)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: frex on April 11, 2013, 09:41:21 PM +0100
Pc crashed again. Bugger.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: Clive Loynes on April 11, 2013, 10:06:28 PM +0100
Hard luck frex.  It is annoying.  I know.

Grats to Niels.

I think that Tudor was in stealth mode.

They could have done with putting another shilling in the meter at the back of the circuit.

If we have another one in the dark, please can it be when I'm on holiday?  I'll send you the dates Matt.  ;D


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: NPP on April 11, 2013, 10:09:49 PM +0100
Pc crashed again. Bugger.

Sorry to hear, Frex. Had that at Hungary, running in 4th - very frustrating.

Well, what can I say about this one? My first win! And a surprisingly easy one, as many quick drivers had chosen to self-handicap by selecting slower or trickier cars. I saw Goldtop spin off in my mirrors coming on to the back straight on L1, and that's exactly what I have done at least once per lap every time in the car he had picked.

As races go, this was an uneventful one. I qualified on pole and was satisfied with my lap, but thougth that others had sandbagged / qualified on race fuel. At the start, I duly lost a place to Clive, also in a Cobra, but found that I could keep up with him easily and eventually re-pass him. From then on, I managed to slowly pull away. Nearly everybody did their pitstops at the same time, after L13. I came back in 2nd and retook 1st when the leader pitted.

I don't really know what happened, my pace dropped off significantly in the second part of the race but it seems everyone else got even slower.

Everyone I lapped was very courteous and got out of the way very quickly, thank you - I didn't have time to flash the lights every time!

Next time I'll pick a mid-field car and crash or come last!


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: phspok on April 11, 2013, 10:13:45 PM +0100
Results and Replay Posted


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: goldtop on April 11, 2013, 10:22:28 PM +0100
Well that was a bit of a struggle. Game was running very slow on lap 1 and I managed to spin it and put it in the wall going onto the back straight. Waited until everyone passed or at least thought I had, but reversed into Jamera's path and he slammed into me. Very sorry for that mate and hope it didn't cause you too much damage  :-[

Unfortunately my tank was now handling worse than ever and I continued to make several errors trying to chase my way back. Fortunately I remembered to disable the 95 secs of repairs I'd stacked up when I stopped for fuel midway. I also used the pitstop to turn the lights off in my mancave as I'd lost my headlights on lap 1, which turned out to be the most intelligent thing I did all night  ::)

Had a nice little chase with Legzy for the last few laps and snuck another place back when he spun on the penultimate lap  :o



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: Alex vV on April 11, 2013, 10:27:35 PM +0100

Unofficial LapChart (http://www.justanotherpage.nl/Srou/PnG/GTR2_hsebring_2013_4_11_20_45/)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: NPP on April 11, 2013, 11:10:06 PM +0100
thanks for the chart, Alex!


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: Alessandro Tancioni on April 11, 2013, 11:14:40 PM +0100
very unfortunately race.
the xd hides the black flag in in car view, and i have been disqualified.
reading on first page of this topic, the notes says:
"(4) P&G has no 'Pit Speed Limiter' function.You may go as fast as you like in the pits, but please exercise caution. Penalties will be handed out for causing contact in the pit lane. Use your best judgement when making your pitstop during the race."
why did i received the black flag due speed limit in pit?

sorry for my english...i hope u understood what i mean!  :)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: goldtop on April 11, 2013, 11:36:39 PM +0100
very unfortunately race.
the xd hides the black flag in in car view, and i have been disqualified.
reading on first page of this topic, the notes says:
"(4) P&G has no 'Pit Speed Limiter' function.You may go as fast as you like in the pits, but please exercise caution. Penalties will be handed out for causing contact in the pit lane. Use your best judgement when making your pitstop during the race."
why did i received the black flag due speed limit in pit?

sorry for my english...i hope u understood what i mean!  :)

Sorry to hear this Tahander. I asked this question earlier in this thread and Manteos kindly checked the track file and warned us about the possibility of there being a pit speed limt. Someone also warned us of this on the server in practice session this evening, but you might not have seen or understood that.

Might be good to amend this part of the announcement for future races where pitstops are required.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: Mark J on April 11, 2013, 11:36:52 PM +0100
@ TaHander, bit misleading that really as think it means there is no self enforced pit limit for us drivers in the various pre race sessions but there is a speed limit during the race as set by the track. I assume you turned off your pit limiter then?

Cracking race event that, really enjoyed it, very atmospheric with the night lighting. Loved the tyre smoke hanging in the air by the glow of the track lighting...very very cool!   8)
Was 6th most of qually but ended up 8th on grid.
Had a good start and was running well in 4th for first few laps. Unfortunately geoffers whacked me at the end of the straight under braking and I span. This dropped me back into a good fight with several cars for many laps but allowed the top 3 to disappear   :'(
Had a great long battle with TA's Shelby coupe for most of the race but eventually pulled out a decent gap.
Had a totally error free pit stop! (I practised a few just before the race to spite legzy  ;) )
Rejoined behind Johns Jag, caught and passed him (oh the glory!) and brought the car home 4th just a few secs behind Animal Ed after taking a heap of time out of his lead. Might have had a podium tonight.

Great event, the 70mins flew by! Loved driving the cobra which felt much more alive with a few tweaks.
Congrats to Nils for the win and the podium finishers   8)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on April 11, 2013, 11:43:30 PM +0100
very unfortunately race.
the xd hides the black flag in in car view, and i have been disqualified.
reading on first page of this topic, the notes says:
"(4) P&G has no 'Pit Speed Limiter' function.You may go as fast as you like in the pits, but please exercise caution. Penalties will be handed out for causing contact in the pit lane. Use your best judgement when making your pitstop during the race."
why did i received the black flag due speed limit in pit?

sorry for my english...i hope u understood what i mean!  :)

Find your xd.ini file (in your main P&G folder) and open it using Wordpad or similar. Look for Motec HUD position and change value to 500. This should move your onscreen xd to mid screen and then you will see all flags.

; MoTeC HUD postion:
; Default x = auto; y = auto
MotecPosX=auto
MotecPosY=500



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: Geoffers on April 12, 2013, 08:28:18 AM +0100
Tedious technical issues for me  >:(. Took over half an hour to join the server, got into the lobby OK but on trying to join the server the game just sat there. Must have been some connection issue as I tried GTL & that was the same, so not a P&G problem. Eventually it did work & I just had time for a couple of qually laps.

Race started well but after a couple of laps cars started disappearing for a second or two & then reappearing. Bumped Mark into a spin on one such occasion, sorry Mark  :-[. After another lap it started getting worse & after I saw Frex have a moment behind me I thought I was probably lagging so decided to quit before I caused more problems.

Congrats to the podium, hopefully it was just a blip  ::) & I will cya all next week.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: frex on April 12, 2013, 09:15:13 AM +0100
...after I saw Frex have a moment behind me I thought I was probably lagging so decided to quit before I caused more problems.

I was having a bit of a moment all on my own Geoff (had several of them actually..!), not your fault at all. Sorry you were having problems.

For me Ferrari felt great in qually, but a handful in race. I was running on my own in P8 when pc crashed, so hopefully no-one else was affected. Congrats to the podium.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: Animal Ed on April 12, 2013, 09:47:00 AM +0100
... brought the car home 4th just a few secs behind Animal Ed after taking a heap of time out of his lead. Might have had a podium tonight.


Errr I don`t think so.  8)
Last 10 laps I was in crusing mode. Despite one spin I had big enough margine.

Actually that spin was my only mistake when Jarda had fun racing against me despite being lap down forcing me to monitor my mirrors more than watching where I`m going ... and I did one more mistake but that was not driving mistake - in first stint I did 14 laps and enter the pits with enough fuel for one more. And that`s not all. Don`t know why but hotkeys for managing pit stop didn`t work so I took 120 liter of fuel despite 90 liter would be enough for me.

So this is my first podium finish in absence of some fast guys but I`ll take it.

Anyway, after 2,4 hour or 14 laps race on VLN Nordschleife, this was relaxation.

btw I was on Dunlops ...



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: johnw on April 12, 2013, 11:35:03 AM +0100
Well I think that went as well as could have been expected, and I can't really complain about fifth in the Jaaag :)

Qualified on P10 and it looked for a while that Frex and I were going to be pretty close, but after his unfortunate pc crash it turned out to be a lonely rest of the race for me. Jumped a bunch of people in the pits, as I was hoping to do, but it still wasn't enough to catch back up to the quicker guys. Got caught and passed by Mark with a few laps to go, but that was pretty much the highlight of the second half.

Didn't really help myself by clattering the wall at T1 on the third lap, got distracted by looking at XD going over the line and forgot to brake! Doubt it would have affected the result though, as the car didn't feel much worse afterwards.

Grats to Neils on the win, and well done Clive for picking up valuable team points while I was fannying around in the mid-field :thumbup1:

On a personal note - I wouldn't like to see anyone feeling pressured to take a slower car because they won (ie, Neils ;)), I've only been taking slower stuff in the hope of having some more racing action, which usually works, but it looks like I went a bit too far this time ;D


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup - Sebring - Apr 11
Post by: Alessandro Tancioni on April 12, 2013, 06:42:13 PM +0100
very unfortunately race.
the xd hides the black flag in in car view, and i have been disqualified.
reading on first page of this topic, the notes says:
"(4) P&G has no 'Pit Speed Limiter' function.You may go as fast as you like in the pits, but please exercise caution. Penalties will be handed out for causing contact in the pit lane. Use your best judgement when making your pitstop during the race."
why did i received the black flag due speed limit in pit?

sorry for my english...i hope u understood what i mean!  :)

Sorry to hear this Tahander. I asked this question earlier in this thread and Manteos kindly checked the track file and warned us about the possibility of there being a pit speed limt. Someone also warned us of this on the server in practice session this evening, but you might not have seen or understood that.

Might be good to amend this part of the announcement for future races where pitstops are required.

thank u for all these precious advices.
during the practice i was dinning, so i don t read the messages u were writing. That is my fault. I should have been read all before the race.
howerer, my race was going well...but.....not at all.! ;D

next time i ll be more careful in every single session!
c u next time
ciaoooo