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UKGTL - Season 0-B (GTC65) - Round 2 at Dijon-Prenois Short

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Date: Monday 30th January

Practice 1: 8:30pm (15 mins)
Qual 2: 8:45pm (25 mins)
Race: 9:10pm (25 mins - 20 laps)

Cars allowed: Any GTC65 Class car.
Track: Dijon-Prenois Short
Time of Day Setting: 15:00
Start Procedure: Pace lap led by pole sitter. See this section (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7#startProc) of the rules on rolling starts. Average speed may need to be reduced from GTR to GTL, but we'll play that by ear.

Server: SimRacing.co.uk (UKGTL)
Password: usual practice password (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2929)

See UKGTL Season 0 Announcement post (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1038.msg13732#msg13732) for extra information on Season 0.

Race incidents should be reported by PM to Dave Gymer as indicated in this thread...
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1101.0 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1101.0)

Some more times,  slow as normal but just for comparison :

PORSCHE 906  GTC76                           01:12.825   
FORD GT40  GTC65                                        01:14.571 
LOTUS ELAN 26R  GTC65                                01:16.505  
JAGUAR E-TYPE  GTC65                                  01:17.750   
SHELBY DAYTONA COUPE  GTC65                    01:18.193   
TVR GRIFFITH 400  GTC65                               01:18.457   
CHEVROLET CORVETTE  GTC76              01:18.867   
FERRARI 275 GTB/C  GTC65                             01:20.378   
AC COBRA  GTC65                                           01:20.511 
AUSTIN HEALEY 3000  GTC65                           01:21.406   
MERCEDES 300SL  GTC65                                 01:21.782   
RENAULT ALPINE A110  GTC65                         01:21.802   
FORD MUSTANG  TC65                                     01:23.806   
SHELBY GT350  GTC65                                     01:23.849   
LOTUS ELITE  GTC65                                       01:24.469   

Great Greg, and people say I have too much free time :P.
But why the GTC76 times?
I'm still gonna do the Anderstorp times before this one.

Its just a cut and paste from GTL rank, couldnt be bothered to take the 76 times out.

I have some times on GTLRank if anyone is interested.

I love this track. Gonna try to do some laps again and try to beat Greg's times.
Did the TVR, now I have to make the next decision what to take....choices choices choices ???

That wont be hard mate  :)

I just did a few laps in my Cobra
Third timed lap I allready got a 1:13.7something.  8)
Perhaps it can get down into the 1:12's with the Cobra, but I just might choose another car for this one - depends on how I will be felling tommorow.

It would be very helpful if the front runners could switch around between the cars a bit as it'll give us a much better idea of which cars are competetive over a race distance.

Looking at last night's results it would appear that the Griffith, 275, Corvette and Elan could all be race winners in the right hands, but we need to see how they perform at other tracks too.

I think the 275 is generally slower than the other 3, but we've had some very fast drivers making it look quicker than it is. My Corvette PB is 4 seconds faster than my 275 PB at Anderstorp.

i might be able to make this one... will try the elan in a mo but if thats no good.... FERRARI ;D

I think I'll be making my GTC65 debut tonight in the Elan :)

I have to admit I'm not too keen on these cars compared to the TC65's but that's probably because they require a bit more skill  :D

I'm not going to be there this evening either  :-[ - am out playing badminton again...but I should (crosses many fingers) be able to make all the others.

Is that your '65 'vette time, they only show up as '76 on the 'rank, and that matches mine?

It's a pitty the two different ACs, 'vettes and E-Types show as one when they have completely different capabilities.

Yes its the 65 vette, dont know why it shows as 76, oh well.

In the career.blt file there is no distinction between the '65, '69 & '76 Corvettes.

That pretty much seals GTLRank's fate then. I think we should volunteer Ruskus as UKGTL's official Test Driver. ;)

i was going to say its just an  alpha at gtlrank but its the actual carrer.blt that hinders us :(

still havent picked a car yet 100% ;D

i hate this track ;)

Here are my times, default setup, no practice:
AC Cobra                     1:13.940
Healy                          1:18.148
Corvette                     1:16.013
Ferrari                         1:17.688
GT40                         can't be bothered
E-type                        1:16.240
Elan                            1:15.996
Elite                           can't be bothered
Mercedes                    sold
Alpine                         1:18.819
Daytona                      1:15.254
GT350                        1:17.086
TVR                            1:15.016

Lol, if you are serious, than no problem. I've put some times up, with more practice per car, I can get closer to some top 10 GTLrank times. At some tracks, with some cars, I've got top 3 times.

I might actually take the GT40 tonight. I don't think it suits the track at all so it'll be interesting to see whether it actually does have a massive advantage, or whether (as I suspect) Ruskus, Pero et al will run rings round me in supposedly inferior machinery.


We had a discussion going on amongst the mods as to whether some of the slower GTC cars - most obviously the Elite - need to be reclassified for league use so that they can run in the same championship as the TC-65 cars. Without reliable data in something like GTLRank the only real option we've got is to drive laps to compare times.

well that was a big waste of time.

been practicing for an hour, managed to mostly tame the Daytona, notice its half past, get in game when there's 18ppl in it. Leave pit, someone loses it badly just after T1, and I smash into them. Hit [ESC] to have another go. Not back in our server lobby, not the main server listing lobby, not a crash, in the car dealer looking at the Daytona car asking me if I want to buy it, which is bizarre as I have it, and thus can't buy it. [ESC] [ESC] [ESC] -> Multiplayer, Hangs, can move mouse and everything but its not going anywhere. Frustrated hit reset. Now server full :-(

Have a good race with this pile of bugs.

Fozz

Should keep trying Fozz, people keep dropping out you might get lucky ;)

After getting a PB I have decided that if last night and tonight's (non)standard of driving I will be staying away from SimRacing.ork.UK's servers.

To those clean respectful drivers I wish you well and see you on other servers.

To the total muppets who do not know how to drive or use their breaks that repeatedly drove through me thankyou for destroying this league for me. Unfortunatly the practice and qualification sessions are not recorded otherwise this would have been done in private. Getting driven off the track 8 times in 2 laps whilst my team mates confirmed that I was in game and could be seen is well beyond a joke or a single driving incident.

 >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( :-X :-X :-X    :( :( :( :( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Don't forget Barred that if you join a qual or practice session AFTER other people and they are already on track they will not see you on track. That is the game's fault, not theirs. Please bare this in mind when being rude about people driving into you as it could well be that you simply do not appear on their screen. Remember most people have "only load new cars in garage" set so they will only get new players when they exit track and come back into garage.

There are faster and slower drivers in SimRacing.org.uk but there are no deliberate reckers so i suspect you have suffered above.

Hope you decide to join again with above in mind as wreckers are not tolerated here so don't be so quick to judge cause of shit multiplayer code.

:-( Barred

I think I hit you just after T1, but you were already badly gone by that point crossing the track at about 40 degrees.

Last nights race was a joke, I didn't see none of tonights. We're an enclusive community here and people who are ill experienced are coming in all the time, The point of the Season0's are for people to get upto speed, I know in GTR pre-races I was at times a total muppet, I can think of some others who were worse, now these are amongst the best drivers I know of, for the S2 GTR sprints we got a few new n00bs, but its our responsibility to guide them, they don't know straight off, how could they? They've probably only raced in net pickup races and against the computer.

GTL i think suffers a bit, as its slightly more mainstream than GTR was with its nicer GFX etc, also you've got the initial load of new n00bs. There's maybe only half of us who have much experience (although some of us went a bit muppet like last night granted). Doesn't the incident reports tell you that we are committed to good driving and people continually ramming others off the track will not be tolerated. We all make mistakes but we get points on our license, and if they can't or refuse to change thier ways, they will eventually be ejected (we have only needed to eject one person so far).

May I suggest that you give it a few more races, either racing with us, or just as time off and judge us later, we'll bash the n00bs (and the older hands like myself who lost it in the first GTC-65 race) into shape over the next few races :-)

Fozz

When you clobbered me Foz I was just getting my wits back from being played pinball with you just caused the Cobra to finally go up in flames :) I know I am not the fastest, but I try to keep it clean and often go out of my way to avoid others. I know what you are saying Shark and I agree but the last few nights were different. The main incident that totally got up my nose was one person losing it in a GT40 for the umpteenth time only for him to rejoin and take me out so the pinball sequence started.

I do not normall go orbital like this, I enjoy my racing and can forgive the odd incident it happens (I have caused a few:)) but 2 or 3 people the last couple of evenings have soured it for me for the moment.

Well said Fozz

I do not believe it is anyone's intention to be deliberately disruptive. In Season 0 & 1 GTR it took some time to get to know the other drivers, how they react to particular situations, their racing styles, but once we had we could to a certain extent predict behaviour and adjust our racing style accordingly. I find now with all the newer drivers I am learning that all over again. Give it some time, this really is a superb community that is committed to good clean racing

Awwww.... shoot! What a dolt I am ::)

Qualified a respectable 9th in the Elan and proceeded to sit on the tail of SBG's Cobra l for the first 10 laps or so. Great stuff with SBG, I managed to get close but every that damn straight appeared and he out gunned me. I was swearing very heavily as I imagined him (pasty in hand) waving at me down that straight time after time ;D

Eventually he overcooked it and span whilst in 6th. Even though I had LOADS of room, I played it ultra-safe and went wide only to find myself too wide and missing my braking point and smacking into the barrier and setting the car on fire (never managed to do that before!).

Thanks for the battle SBG, really enjoyed it, two very different cars racing very cleanly :)

The Elite wasn't too far off the pace but I don't think I'll be able to take too much of those Cobra's making mincemeat of me on the straights! :D

Pops

Had a great race with Truetom for something like 13 laps with us constantly swapping places between 6th to 9th until eventually my tyres just got worse and worse. Then when he had pulled out a second or so he seemed to have a big off with another car in front on the dipping chicane area and i swerved off the road to avoid the pair of them, losing several places.

Rejoined in the top 10 again and running okay but with seriously shagged tyres,
[Personal remarks removed. If you have a problem with another driver, take it up with the mods.]

Great race up until the last lap !  8)

Qualified back in 18th in the Healy with a 1:17.4, which I think is a pretty good time for the car. Got taken out on the pace lap. Had a steady race after that, but even the Elans were out-dragging me on the straights. Next time I'll take something a bit more competitive. Was comical the way the GT40s blasted past me.

Saw some very bad warp early in the race.

This race has proved it, the GT40's are by far the easiest car to go fast with. In the top 4 there were 3 GT40's!!!.
Again, with the rolling start the whole field was seperated by a mile. Remember that it is single line, so the distance between 1st and last is twice as long.
After a mistake of Dave I overtook him and stayed in 1st, kissing all those 40's goodbye. After lap 9 my tires were already gone, but I could keep them behind me.
Hope to see no GT40's wednesday...probably not, because that would be a too big challenge on Mondello.

Pops, sorry for one knock. I was too busy trying to get control to see you sneak up beside me. Truly great when cars with differing strengths and two evenly matched drivers get it on  ;D. Shame I spoiled it and you wrecked it. You have a go in Cobra next time  ;).

Great and fair racing, like tonight, has been my experience of racing here.

Provisional results and repaly are up (http://ukgtl.simracing.org.uk/Dijon-Prenois%20Short%20-%20GTC65%20S0%20060130.zip)

For me a crap race, just tootled round on my own, a huge number of seconds off the pace. Hope I didn't cause too much grief to those lapping me.

Lucky for me and you lot that I can't make another S0 race, don't think even bother with the 76 cars it's obvious I'm out of my depth  :'(

[Personal remarks removed. If you have a problem with another driver, take it up with the mods.]

had fun in the elan

i always want to go faster than i can i feel disapointed with my prac times then end up doing ok in the real race, i look at the alien times too much lol

, i qualied nicley, i noticed 3 elans in a row, .02 apart from each other :)

span in the first couple of laps and just worked my way back up

had a nice bit of driving with JonM although he was blatently faster

it was so funny to get on that straight and see the cobras just dissapear lol


i knocked a cobra into T1, sorry - i was half asleep and not really expecting you to move over :S

Sorry again for that, was probably to close to you and no chance to evade you with the Ferrari's horrible brakes. Had a boring race afterwards only gaining positions when other people spun. If i get to race again in this series I'm going to take a competitive car.

Had a decent run after a early spin, then synchronised spin with Picnic :D
Enjoyed the race  :) The elan is a great little car, but it feels like I've got a very small willy when a big beastly cobra shows it's self down the straights :D

I think one of the main problems with people being Muppet's(myself included) is the lack of track and car knowledge. Today I got back from work at 7.00pm got on the game at 7.30 and had a bit of practice but I don't know the track or the car fully, I've only raced at Dijon once before and never in the Elan.So driver errors like people spinning and braking at the wrong moment etc, will decrease over time as people get to know the game better. I really didn't play GTL much until this preseason started. I can't think of one person in 2 sprint season's and one endurance season of GTR who wreaked or did anything wrong to me deliberately. just give it a longer chance Barred, after all it's only season 0  :)

Not too bad tonight, a couple of incidents I take part responsibility for though I don't think I could have driven a more sedate and careful pace lap if I tried, AND I STILL PICKED UP AN INCIDENT  ???( on the start.

Later I attempted to pass an Elan (white?) into turn 1 (bloody stupid move in a Cobra) sorry don't know how I missed you ;D but I got by.

Gopt close up behind Tyf for several laps, bumper to bumper but I just could'nt get up enough of a run to pass on the straight, passed in the end and stormed away, only to find I did'nt have any tyres left:(

First time I've not been lapped in GTL ;D

People, the rules are very clear, absolutely no finger pointing, blame apportioning, or personal attacks allowed in the public forums.

If you are involved in an incident during the race and believe that a moderator should look at it because there has been a breach of good driving standards, take it up with the appropriate moderator (in this case Locutos or myself), stating which event, and what time on the server replay, giving your version of events.

Do NOT post here - I just have to remove the remarks again, it pisses me off and it will probably piss you off to.

 >:( >:( >:(

I know some of you are new but the rules are very, very clear about this, and for good reason.

That race was very wierd for me! I practiced and qualified without problem, but when it came to joining the race, I ended up in the swamp :( Quit back to the garage, and joined again - still swamp. Did this a couple of times then watched from the monitor.

I could see the cars go round the track, but couldn't see any chat. Eventually I got bored and joined on the swamp, and tried to join the track from there - I could! So I drove around for a few laps, just to see if people would notice me (but not getting in the way). Amazingly I was able to have a bit of a battle with a few drivers, even though I was several laps down.

Checking the replay now to see how it looked from the server point of view.

I remember seeing your car marker off track  ??? But I think only David Bellamy would have found you in all the undergwowf ;)

Lol, Bloody hell Jon, you're showing you age there my man  ;D

If I'd known I wasn't going to be the only one I'd have taken something else. As it was I'd done no practice in anything else and thought it'd be safer to stick with it.

Was amazed to get pole given that there were other GT40s out; less than .02s ahead of Ruskus.

I don't think I've led a pace lap before - what a nervewracking experience! Not really anywhere at Dijon to warm the tyres properly other than the main straight. Tried to keep a nice steady pace of 100km/h through the last few right handers, give the field a chance to form up. After my extreme muppetry last night I was very careful not to "go go go" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murray_Walker) until reaching the line. Managed to get good seperation on Ruskus using the GT40's power before T1, then totally boogered Bretelle up and let him past. ::) :D

I think it must've been the end of that lap that Franky was up close behind me; remember thinking "he's going to have a go into T1, there's no way he'll make it!", staying wide out on the left and just letting him sail by at a silly angle. :D :D :D

Spent lap after lap trying to make an impression on the gap to Ruskus but couldn't find any more speed in the car. Finally we started to hit traffic and then Franky started to catch me; finally it all got too much to concentrate on at once and I spun in Bretelle, dropping back to fifth behind Pero who was doing a frankly amazing job in the TVR. With just a few laps to go I managed to snatch 4th back by powering past on the s/f straight. I must say the GT40 seems almost dishonestly fast! :o :D

Anyway, managed not to hit anyone or wibble the pace lap up so I feel a lot better tonight than I did after last night! :P

I saw a betamax....I mean DVD of him the otherday........Honest ;)

Here is a general remark:
If you spin and want to quit, put the car on the grass first, because the car will stay on the track for a second and that's very annoying.
Happy now.

Well there were only 3 GT40 drivers in the race, not sure about practice : Me, Franky and Dave, so it should be easy to sort out.
If it was me I apologise but I don't recall losing it for the umpteenth time so perhaps it wasn't.

Anyway onto the race.
Had a decent enough qual in 4th, did manage to be .04 on two occasions but couldn't pull it off.  The car is certainly capable of faster times in better hands.

Incredibly hard race with Pero and Franky, some real close stuff and always the threat that the smallest mistake would be punished.
Had an ok start but let Pero past at T1, me being over cautious again on cold tyres.
Managed to overtake Franky after his little off only to make a small mistake a few laps latter and let him past again.
Think Pedro's tyres were suffering after the half way stage and managed to get a good run on him into the s/f straight, after that it was just a case of using the GT40's power and staying on the track.

Obviously the power of the GT40 is a deffinate advantage(no shit Sherlock) however only on certain circuits.  It can be certainly be a handfull at times and is defiantly not the safe option.

That's mostly the car Picnic, the Healy just isn't competitive. Your best race lap was about half a second slower than mine, but I did a lot more laps during the prac & qual sessions, plus some offline driving before the race and yesterday.

Right, got a good scrap with Mark Jonzo, got to him through the corners and away he was on the straight. Was allready thinking: either I gotta force the move, which is dangerous, or wait for his mistake. Which he didn't make. Then Darker mixed in, and suddenly he was hanging still in the air right through the high chicane, like 1 fps, or whatever its called in GTL. I hit him, banged the wall and damaged the car. Saw Mark was also out, but I don't think he was involved uin this. Couldn't find Darker anymore, he dissapeared.

I saw my chance in your tyres, Mark, saw you slide all over the place and it was then easy to pass.

Sorry bout the crash, Darker, it wasn't my fault.  :-\

Thoroughly enjoyed that race guys! :D

First time I tried that track with a GTC65 I think. Took the Daytona out, since I drove that yesterday as well. It's ace, but really eats tires like there's no tomorrow. Had a blast with A. Dodd ;D, obviously I was the quicker driver! ;) But those tires huh, those tires ;) ;P
Daytona Coupe was ace on the straight, think Dodd was in a Cobra which was a likkle quicker out of the last corner, but just couldn't make it to overtake before the end of the straight, haha! Until I lost it in the 10th lap or so, again those tires of course, not the driver, noooooo never...! ;) Ooh wait, wasn't Ruskus driving a Daytona as well?

/me rests his case, lol!  ;) :D ;D

Great stuff, will pick a different car next time though, for people from this planet it's a bit hard to drive over 20 laps or so, hard to beat that sound and grunt and top speed though ;)!

 :-*

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Edited by the society for people who can't really stand big red letters ;) Keep it friendly peeps! :D

T

Yup :D. And my tires were gon in lap 9, and in lap 18 even the straights were getting hard to do :P

Tyf, I had an hour of tuning the Daytona before the sum of 1 corner for my race tonight. I managed to get it very well bahaved, almost modern in its handling. It's brakes still suck but the rest is pretty superb. I'll re-try it before the next outing, and if I wasn't tripping I'll fire you off a PM with it in.

Fozz

Just a thought on the GT40 issue. 

If its removed from the 65 class where would it go ? I don't believe its a match for the 76 cars.
Would everyone just then take the next fastest car, be it the Daytona, cobra or TVR.
The fastest guys will always be the fastest guys no matter what they drive (within reason).
The GT40 is only competitive on certain tracks, remember it was built for LeMans.
I don't believe we will see a GT40 dominated grid, it just wont suit everyone especially over the longer races.
For me it would be a great shame if it disappeared from the grid.

Yes, but two equal drivers could compete with each other in any of the three cars you list above. Put four equal drivers in one each of Daytona, Cobra, TVR and GT40 and the GT40 is going to win hands down every time.


I didn't think it would be competetive at Dijon given that the lap is dominated by medium speed corners but it was still clearly faster than anything else out there. If somebody had taken one at Anderstorp I think it would've decimated the field.


Without weight penalties (which we can't do) or a handicap system (which will force certain people into certain sets of cars, which I'm not keen on), the only realistic options to keep it on the grid are either a scoring system which gives the GT40 less pionts, or reclassifying it onto some other group of cars.

Even the FIA have had to classify it into its own group, GTP-A.

I had quite a good race - everything went smoothly this time around. The rolling start was well excecuted and I even was able to make up a place - hopefully not because of me starting early (I think that I started after the leader flored it). Had a great few first laps-even getting into third after Franky went off the road a bit. I was able to drive very hard and keep the GT40's at bay for a few laps, but it was not to last as everytime on the main straight I just saw the red monsters getting bigger and bigger in my mirror. Due to my pace I finnaly made a mistake and had a huge sideways moment, which I barely held. That was going into the second to last corner and as I was reliant to get enough of a distance on the followers trough the corners I was toast after that. Both Greg and Franky closed up just enough and I was passed by both on the home straight - them just dissapearing on the straight. I even wanted to try slipstreaming and try and keep up that way, but even doing that I didnt have a chance of keeping up on the straight. From than on I basicly was trying to make up the gap and although getting close after the chicane I wasnt able to keep close enough to mount an attack the next time around we came to the corners. So I kept position from than on. After Dave spun I was able to get close and overtake him on drive out of the chicane, but I couldnt stay infront - again the home straight was a bit too long.
All in all I am quite satisfied with the result as I was driving a TVR, but I wonder if I would have acctually been able to keep in touch with Ruskus, if I had taken the Daytona. He was just amazing yesterday - brilliantly driven mate  :)

Well, I still think that if the season would be made to have to pick 1 car for the season, things would even out a bit. My personal oppinion is that picking a car to suit the track is too opportunistic, not real and I will just not do it after season 0.  >:(

Thanks mate, that does me good hearing that from you :-*

Just wanted to add;

A big thumbs up for the rolling start from me, I much prefered it to the unseemly scrum of the standing starts :)

WRT to server/network quality last night, I had a few problems in the first couple of laps, cars warping more than usual but the scariest was following one on to the long start straight and it moved right, but a clone was left on the track where he was. Lucky for that clone was a ghost and I went straight through it. Made me jump tho. After that it seemed to settle down.

I also noticed EdamSpeed's tag lost in the deep undergrowth and wondered how he got there!

Looking at replay it was a pure warp incident.

I will never drive in line for the first couple of laps from now on, I will stagger left or right for the whole pace lap and especially the forst race lap.

Perhaps we need 3 rolling laps before race start to get past these GTL warp issues that seem to plague the start of races.  :-[ :-[ :-[

The race was fine for me and lag-free.

There was a bit of warping in qualifying, EdamSpeed was all over the place (warping, not his driving  ;D) towards the end.

How many drivers were there last night?

Is it worth trying then next race with a limit of 20/22 with a view to looking at why we're getting all this warp?

Shark had made some tweaks on the server so we needed to keep the same levels to see if these helped at all. Last night was the worse I've ever seen it, usually I think "what is everyone talking about" ;) This makes me think that other network issues are at least playing a part.

The ghost car stuck on track we have seen with as little as 10 runners and at any stage of a race, I think that is a buggette especially as more than one client sees it.

Whoops, just want to add a disclaimer, my post wasnt a pesonal attack on anybody nor accusational. I just gave my race de-brief which included the reason why i lost 3-4 places on the last lap due to a lapped car being in the wrong place at the wrong time. ???

I could understand it being edited if i was ranting at someone but knowing the (normally good) characteristics of the other person involved, i wasnt !  My only mistake then, i guess, was that i named 'em :P

No harm meant and my apologies to the moderators :-*

Baaaaaaaaaaanned


LOL!

 :D ;) ;D

 ??? 8)

T

yeah,' hangings too good for me' , an all that  ;) ;D

I saw two really big warps during the race, but both involved single cars. One did the weird "sink into the tarmac" thing while the other was stopped on the track. Strongly suggests these were client instead of server problems this time. In some of the TC-65 races we had all the cars were jumping and stuttering at the same time, which suggests a server problem.

Just watched the replay. Bloody funny if you watch my car, as at around 350 seconds I just appear in the undergwowth, and drive on to the track past a marshal and a fire truck :) I then proceed to scare picnic into T1 :D

I saw a fair bit warp at various points during the race, though this may be down to me as I have been having a few issues this week. Still a bit un-nerving though having cars appear infront, beside, behind you from nowhere  :-\

I would like to see Darkers comment to our accident. JUST TO KNOW IF HE HAD 1FPS OR STH! Niether of us had been able to do anything and it was a fun and intense, but fair duel.  :) Exactly the thing we're looking for in such a game.

i think he did Truetom as when i came hairing over the crest, you was already spinning off and his car seemed to be straddling the full width of track  :o...i took drastic avoiding action expecting a loud crunching sound from contact with his car but nothing happened, so either he hit 'escape' at the very last moment or his car was just a ghost from disco.

It was a great battle between us, i chuckled everytime i got back past you again on the straights only to be followed by you climbing all over my ass like an annoying gnat through the twisty section but alas my tyres started to seriously go off from lap 14 and you and Darker took advantage of it until your off and had started to pull away from me.

Thats a fair point Dave but I dont believe the GT40 will suit everyone, I happen to like it but thats just me.  On the flip side I cant get on with the Daytona or TVR and I hate the Cobra, and I mean really hate it.
Secondly there arn't many equal drivers, most of the time someone always has an edge at a certain track or in a certain car, next week its someone else and so on (apart from the obvious 2 or 3 drivers who are always in the top 2 or 3)

The way the league stands at the moment seems to be:
Top drivers = 3 or 4
Just off the pace = 5 or 6
Mid pack = 10 or 15
Tail end = 5 or 6
Obviously these are just approximates and not based on any facts, just the way things seem to pan out.

Now I just cant see every driver wanting to drive the GT40, additionaly the top 3 or 4 drivers can pretty much drive anything and win.  The drivers just off the pace will still be just off the pace be it in a GT40 or Daytona.  The mid pack drivers in general will still be mid pack ect ect ect.

Again these are just my thoughts on the matter.

Just for fun I will take the GT40 at Mond Nat, guess if I do well it really will be the final nail in the GT40 coffin.  I have done a bit of practice there in the GT40 , it takes a real effort to stay on track and really isnt a enjoyable, again I cant see that many people wanting to drive it for a whole season.

Hi It may not have all been warp. I have cold / flue and was all over the place if I sneezed, sorry . Gave up in the end as it was not fair to others.cheers gerald.

I think I agree with Dave more than Greg - on most tracks the GT40 is a huge booster of performance. Greg says that he doesn't like the other big engined cars, and I think this will be true of a lot of mid-pack drivers as it is not easy to extract all the performance from the TVR, Cobra and Daytona. Most drivers will find that they are quite a bit quicker in the GT40. I put myself in the 'just off the pace' category, but I know that had I taken a GT40 in the first two races I would have won easily. Mondello National is not a good track for the GT40, but it's not that hard to be on the pace.

As I've said before, I'm in favour of a system that encourages better drivers to take slower cars, and my prefered choice at the moment is a points multiplier for each car, the slower the car the higher the multiplier. This would effectively make choosing the GT40 a low odds choice, rather like betting on the favourite - you will win more often but the reward will be much less. The better drivers will try to take cars that allow them to place highly and still get a decent multiplier.

Paul

That sounds a great idea Paul  8)

If, like me, you find the Cobra & TVR a bit tricky for close racing the Corvette might be a good alternative. Don't think it's quite as quick, but I find it much easier to drive.

Yeah, I'm also a proponent of using scaled points to prevent homogeneous grids proliferating. (That'll have Tyf reaching for his dictionary. ;D )

There's plenty of scope for using the Season 0 data to experiment with different scoring schemes and come up with something which looks vaguely fair. I've got some experience from the old ProLeS league of doing something very similar, although it was somebody else who came up with the actual formula we used.

i am for the idea of points multipliers

because sometimes i think - i wanna go in the GT40.... but people are just going to say 'you only want to win'... with the multiplier its not so simple to say that ;D

Oooh! Love the idea of a points multiplier :-*

That'll be me in the Abarth after race 4...  ;)

Sounds good to me too, as long as that system is more 'fair' then obviously! GT40 mp=0.2, Abarth mp=12.6 I think ;^)


LOL! I think I got it without!  :-* :-* :-*

T, who feels we should leave the proliferation of homogeneous fields to races that are solely classified as being races aimed at the target of having fun ;) :p

Lol, Gerald, you're a treasure!  :D

I don't think it's a problem with the number of players because when that is a problem the ping rates shoot through the roof. I think this is probably low FPS on client machines and "could be better" netcode in the game.

Points multiplier sounds great. If I keep massacering the mini and cobra they should have a great handicap.

Bit of a brain dump here, just for discussion.

One comment about the points multiplier idea (you might want to split this thread off Dave  :)) is that if it's implemented you could (but I'm not saying it's likely) end up with drivers chopping and changing their cars during practice & qualifying based on what other cars are already in the server.

Taking an extreme example... I join the the server in an Elan to discover the other 23 drivers are also in Elan's, I *might* then be tempted to re-join in the GT40 thinking I might have a chance to pick up a few places even though it would have a low multiplier. If enough drivers do this then it could trigger a mass exodus to the GT40. As I said, It's an extreme example, but it could be an issue because of the stutters we've had with cars joining & leaving.

One way around this would be for each driver to nominate one car before the season and the multiplyer only applier if teh driver sticks to this car. Then they are free to choose other cars but they just score points normally, no multiplier.

It sounds like a superb system, given there isn't a horrible argument about what car gets assigned what multiplier  :-\

It would both introduce the variety to the grids that we all crave and add an interesting extra layer of complexity when it comes to car choice. Winner!

This was actually not allowed when we did UKGPL. People swapping cars after they join would be penalised.
We could simply state no swapping cars in the rules (if it isn't already), which I thought it was anyway.

It should not be allowed to swap cars in UKGTR or UKGTL during a race event.

Fair enough Shark, I didn't know that was a rule. And if it isn't, it probab ly should be!

The 'nominating' rule could still be used to ensure the non-homogeneous grids.

No swapping once Q2 has started currently I believe. We could just move that rule back on to Practice too which, frankly is less a practice session for people and more a chance to get warmed up. Practice and car choice generally having taken place before for me :)

LOL! Just noticed Steve McQueen looking UP to James Hunt (correct? :))! Which he should in my opinion, since Hunt could drink a lot more according to Murray Walker ;) (Anyone hear his audiobook? :D). But ok... On topic, lol!

No changing of cars I thought was already done, but if not should be widened to include the practice as well! :D

T

We don't currently have an explicit rule about it, athough leaving and rejoining unnecessarily, especially during qualifying, is obviously frowned upon. Hopefully the points system will take away the incentive to do so; one possible solution is to award more points to a driver who beats a faster car using a slower car, rather than ust using a static points multiplier.