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UKGPL Season 24 Extra Trophy (69X)
Race 5 Kyalami

Welcome to the fifth round of the Extra Trophy for 69 Extra chassis. Kyalami. Classic track, just right for the grippy 69X ers. Last race before the Easter break.

One of the original Papy tracks and therefore fairly well known, but not without difficulty. Usually sees some close racing.

The original, sweeping circuit was in use from 1961 until political sanctions eliminated the Grand Prix after the 1985 race. A very quick circuit, it yielded some memorable races. Gilles Villeneuve outfoxed team mate and home driver Jody Scheckter in a wet/dry race in 1979, and Alain Prost raced from the back to win in 1982. By the time the circuit held its last Grand Prix in its original incarnation cars were lapping the track in 1m 02s – 20 seconds faster than in 1967, a lap time in the 1m 02s might prove a little much... even for the Lights!

The first lap will be fully moderated within the red zone. The red zone will extend to the whole of the first lap.

Please check the Season 24 pages for details (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=386&theme=6) regarding rules and the Extra Trophy (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=395&theme=6) pages in particular.

It is very important that drivers are FULLY familiar with the rules relating to Shift-R. ONLY ONE IS ALLOWED and a Shift-R MUST be followed by a Stop-and-Go or the driver will be excluded.

If two servers are required they will be as below but if only one grid is required, we will race on T7.

Race list	iGOR
LIGHT Server	UKGPL_T7_2
IP address	62.149.202.168
HEAVY Server	UKGPL3
IP address	ping ukgpl3.dyndns.org
Date	08-03-2013
Race time	Race starts at 21:30 UK time
Qualifying time	Between 30 and 60 minutes, starting no later than 21:00 UK time
Track	Kyalami (Papy)
Mod	69X
Damage model	INT
Race length	37 laps
Replay	Available here (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/replays/Archive/Season24/Extra/)

Reserve drivers please note; you must leave the server with 35 minutes of qualifying left, for a total of 10 minutes, to allow full timers to join. FULL TIME DRIVERS GET PRIORITY.

Heavy and Light drivers will drive on separate servers. Please ensure that you know which class you are and that you join the right server

LIGHTS on UKGPL_T7_2; HEAVY on UKGPL3

The Light and Heavy Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=395&theme=6)

Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Pit wall?

Yes, Johnny....Pit wall must be in place or risk disqualification.

If you have installed a GFX update that removes the pitwall here is how to get it back for the race;
1. Rename or remove kyalami.trk and kyalami.3do files from your kyalami folder.
That will give you back a wall you can crash your car into , if you want the old papy Armco GFX back for the wall do this;
2. Rename or remove Armco_s.mip

Thanks John

Peace 

RJ

Thanks JR. Forgot to point that all out.

PLEASE GUYS, TURN UP A BIT EARLIER. There were only eleven of us at 21:00 which makes it pointless running two servers. Then at 21:10 we had 23 drivers.

Sorry I had to crash T7, hope it went off ok later on but I do need you guys to at least be in iGOR by 21:00 so that I know if one or two servers are required. Thanks.

As for the race, awful. Lotus was undriveable. Snap oversteer which I could counter by running at 10 seconds off the pace... not enjoyable at all. Cannot get the hang of these 69X chassis.

Philippe, really, rejoining at near 90degs to the track in Crowthorne? We are not amused....And Queen Victoria didn't actually say that, What she did say was "What a *iss poor joke that was!" but the scribe thought it best to ....alter the wording.

Anyway, weird chassis these......no matter how much rear wing i applied it didn't stop it getting too tailhappy if I delayed power application ie; late corner entry....all it did was slow it down on the straights. Not a fan of Kyalami for these things at the best of times....have to make too many compromises to make the package work.

my apologies, geoff, I tried to get back on track after my overrun.
I had to let you pass before returning.
I'm sorry I ruined your race and your evening...

I don't like Kyalami, it's not easy tu give a setup.

Bravo Dave !

Very fun race with me loosing a couple spots in the beginning due to too much mirrorlooking and had some wheels on grass. I managed to bite myself to a 6 th until some 4 laps to go. Dean and axel have a clinch and axel spins. I run into axel right after he regained control and push him around again. Really sorry Axel I guess I could avoided that but was hotheaded with some chasers just behind me.

Brilliant race- had a great battle with Rainier but could not quite get past. My ferrari was fun once the tyres were hot but under heavy braking for turn one the back end was always trying to beat the front end into the corner. Shame for Jonnyo he was away but disconnected. Great race Rainier- well done on your win.

  Great battle of Rainier and Johnny.P!! :fencing:

  My Lotus49b had engine trouble, and after the pitstop motor broke again!! :cursing:

  Rainier Bravo!!! :jumpjoy:

Well, my race started of just fine: avoided the T1 (seemingly) inevitable, settled into a good rhythm following Flow, building a gap over Cookie behind, and prepared to watch leaders disappear into the distance. Then engine made the unhappy noise coming out of the hairpin on lap 4 :(. Bah. Find a safe place to pull over, wait for Cookie to pass, shift-r, get going again, head for the pits, enter just a smidgen too hot, and give the armco at the entry a good clout which bounces me over into armco on the other side to give it a good clout, too. Double bah, but at least I still have four wheels attached so let's see what we can recover from my now 12th place.

Stationary Ronnie is easy to get by. Next in sight is Piero who seems to be going slowly, but then accelerates well onto the straight so maybe he just had a bobble. Nope. Come through the bend on the straight and here's Piero BRAKING HEAVILY AND 40 MPH OFF THE PACE WHILE STILL ON THE RACING LINE?!!? He's already missed the pit entry so what the hey is going on and oh, there he goes, right through the armco and into the pits. Hmmm.

Got past Fulvio and Marco without much issue, bit of a fight from Tom but not much, Andreas more of a struggle, looked like he was struggling too, poked my nose in a few times but had to back off to avoid contact but then get clear and start chasing down Cookie for the placing that I had before the engine went south. Unable to make a move on the straight (due to damage from my clumsy pit stop earlier, probably) but gaining ground hand over fist in the twisty bits. Get right up on him, he's defending cleanly, taking nice consistent lines. Bit over ambitious in T1 sees minor contact, only I suffer (a few seconds loss, and my fault, so all's good), gain it back in two laps. Line up for another pass attempt into the hairpin (where he'd been in 3rd gear through and out of previous corner, moving to the right every time, for the seven laps prior), and he's really slow and stays left (watching replay, he'd downshifted and then stayed in 2nd  :( ). Contact that I could not avoid sees him off to the right.

Passing a very slow Florian with less than 2 laps to go got me an unexpected podium, which I'm happy with in this crowd.

So into the midseason break in 2nd place in standings (3rd corrected). Have good one, cyas next round.

So, Paul, in the future should I turn up in time, or should I start turning up late myself? Result is the same to me, second time in a row on provisional pole, second time in a row the server is crashed. I was on the final straight of a perfectly nailed lap, who knows I might have even made it through turn one from pole, this time.

Some leagues have a system that requires people to confirm their entry the day before the race, when they need multiple servers. They are still running fine, plenty of attendance, people know the rules and abide to it.

I checked the import, 5 people wouldnt have been able to race yesterday night. Personally I think if that had been the case, they wouldnt have left the league in disgust, maybe followed by half of the regulars in sympathy, thus taking the entire UKGPL to an untimely end, just under your time as chief mod. More likey is that they would have turned up earlier next time round. Something they will keep failing to do if all they get is a reminder on the forum, which most people dont even read.  

No doubt Artiglietti . I'm sure you will do a much better job when you take over as chief moderator   :-*

Oh ok, thats joining in with the late comers then, it was just good to know.

I can understand and have sympathy with how you feel missing a possible pole shot , but it seems every time I visit UKGPL of late everyone and his dog is having a pop at the moderators who are giving up there own free time to run this sim which wouldnt be here to enjoy at all without there valuable assistance .

You can please "some" of the people "some" of the time , you cant please "all" of the people "all" of the time (who said that ? )

Also some of us unfortunately have other commitments , I for one can not always be here 10 mins before qually , in fact I more often than not end up joining halfway through qually and I think thats my loss ,  though I do try my best to be early .

I'm sure there are others here in the same boat as me .

Yeah, who said that?

For the Race: A whole lot of racing going on. Had several battles with lots of people. Very enjoyable.  Even when I struggle, Dean.  ;)
Cu all at the next race!

Each and everyone of us has other commitments, Bernie. You cant ask to always have others accomodating for them.

How can crashing the server half way through qually be an habitual policy? First time is ok(ish), second one is irritating. If you need to do it more than that, you are obviously doing something wrong, as all the people who actually showed up on time get regularly buggered. As mentioned above, theres other ways to tackle the problem, in use in other leagues.

Wheather people dont show up early because they rely on the server-crashing practice (as I say), or because they have imperious commitments right in those 10 mins prior to that one and a half hr they will spend playing a videogame (as you say), a reminder on the forums, after the race, won't change a thing. If letting people out is anatema, then, as in both these occasions there were enough entrants for 2 servers, we might just as well run both from the start next time, and let people pop up when they see fit.

The reason of my irritation is this forever-warning policy, which extends a bit on everything in the league; people dont give a toss about warnings, I think we are all experienced enough to know that.

I'm one of the mods biggest fans. I heard a rumour Paul turned down the opportunity to become the new Pope recently to continue as head man at UKGPL, we are indeed fortunate  :rockon:

He had to make a decision and he did apologise to all concerned. Rather him than me so he has my full support.

But Art does have a point. The crashing of the server (for a second time recently) to accommodate latecomes was extremely annoying for anybody who had turned up on time and/or posted a time which could not be repeated.

Plus a call for more immediate sanctions on people who cannot be arsed to read/follow rules or simply be punctual would get my vote. For example if you turn up and find only one server up and running and its full......better luck next time!

If we potentially have more than 19 people registered in the series, there should always be 2 grids split on 2 servers, regardless of how many people turn up early. It's not possible for everyone to turn up on time, yet it's unfair for those turning up late that they can't enter because you decided we should run 1 server. Should I be punished of not being able to enter the server because I couldn't join early, even though I registered as a full time driver?  ::)

Whether we run 2 or not should not be based on how many turn up for each specific race. If it happens that we race smaller grids on some occasions, so be it. It's much worse to force people to skip races because you didn't fire up 2 servers. I'm very glad Paul decided to crash the server in order to accommodate the late arrivals, but please, just run 2 servers all the time.

+1

Well, you shouldnt be punished, but if you cant make it on time, then maybe you shouldnt be registered as a full time driver  ::)

There are oversubscribed series, where potentially you can find yourself left out even if you are a FT, as R1 drivers are only required to leave the server for 5 mins around 21.00 (always wondered if anyone actually does that..), so if you miss the window and theres a full house is your problem, and no one is making a big fuss about it.

Anyway, this is all academic. Anything is good to me, but the idea of crashing the server half way through qually as a habit, as this is a situation is going to present itself again in the second half of the season.

For once I fully agree with H  :)

@Piero, please have a look how went your rejoining at T1 towards the end of the race, Marco and me were having fun till there... ;)

Ciao

What does on time mean? On time for the race or on time for practice? I was quite on time for the race, obviously. Considering we have the possibility to host 2 grids, why risk and put drivers out of the race before it has even started?

Oversubscribed means when you have 1 server with limited amount of space and people have to fit in. We're not in that position, because we run more than 1 grid if necessary. It's not necessary to announce your participation each time and join in on time, we're not fighting for grid slots here.

Otherwise, I agree with you about crashing the server. These kind of decisions should be made in advance, not to interrupt an event, but at the same time, it was obviously needed in this case. To avoid the necessity of crashing a server and re-host, just run 2 servers all the time and be done with it, simple as that. The same way like we always run Novices and Pros, regardless of how many turn up for each, or the split F2s, so just treat this series as Lights and Heavy all the time.

That sounds good to me. I am obviously not trying to have people left out, I am simply saying this way to tackle the problem cant possibly become the default. Running two servers regardless is the most logical decision in my view too. I hope this is clarified by the next race of this series, otherwise the only option I am left with is to start joining the latecomers, expecting the server to be crashed to let me in if necessary.

2 Servers up, whenever you have a full time, full grid, would seem to be the right choice.

I'm glad we're getting more voices where they're needed.  Our Moderators put in a lot of work, for little reward.  It's good to offer them some guidance, and inspiration, to help sort things sensibly.  Self-inflicted crashes please, and only past the finish line.  ;D

Hey, I am respecting moderator's work, it's not that. It's when moderators take things in their own hand and dictate what should and shouldn't happen without being able to sustain criticism. I can't accept the "if you don't like it, don't participate" attitude, it's just wrong. We all want better environment in the league, so when there are problems, they should be discussed, not ignored. Instead of replying by the way I just mentioned, why not acknowledge issues and work with the drivers to fix them? Considering the mods are also drivers and they became moderators after being just drivers, it's sometimes puzzling why they act like we're just guests here and have no right to object to anything, or to have an influence on what decisions are made concerning the league. There is no league without its members.

Which Sebring Version we will race on the next round?

The announcement points to this version (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=6123)  ;)

That was my problem, have not seen any announcement.  :) But I think now I know the right track, Dank dir Axel.  ;)

Moderation (finally) published. Apologies for the delay.