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THIS POST IS FOR THE LIGHT & HEAVY RACES

Round VI of the Formula 2 Trophy will take place on the infamous Monza 10K circuit. It’s the traditional Monza track with a banked oval which had been used for Formula 1 until 1961. Much of the race will taken in top gear & there will be plenty of opportunity for drafting.

The series will run on two separate grids ~ The Lights will run on T7 & the Heavys on UKGPL 3. Please ensure you join the correct race. The Driver list is shown below & the Championship Table can be found here F2 Trophy  (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=389&theme=6)

Handicaps will apply – please observe this rule as a failure to take the correct car will result in an exclusion.
In the Lights Dean Logan – Group II (BT14, Ferrari or Cooper). Raoni & Magic Arsouille Group III – any of the Group II cars or either Lola or either Lotus.
In the Heavys – Rog UK – Group II, Rainier & Jonny O – Group III.  

A maximum of one reset is allowed per race & must be followed by a compulsory Stop & Go in the pit lane. If you Reset on the last lap a 30 second time penalty will be awarded. Incidents should be reported in the usual way.

In line with other divisions the races will be subject to full moderation in the red zone which will the first Lpa on the banked oval. The Moderator may chose to investigate any other incident, in addition to reported incidents & red zone incidents.

Please note that for UKGPL has introduced a system of penalties within each series for drivers accumulating yellow cards – see the topic on Penalty Points here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=10879.0). Drivers incurring these penalties will receive a PM advising when a penalty has been applied & what race it should served.

LIGHT	HEAVY
Arf Arf	Badblood
Cookie	Bernie
Evil Clive	Billy Nobtrakes
Fulvio	Bilto
Hristo	Dave Curtis
King Hiro	Geoff
Magic Arisoulle	Giovanni
Natan	Il Lupo
Phil Thornton	Jonny O
Bartosz	Nigel Smith
Raoni Frizzo	Paul Villers
Ronnie Peterson	Rainier
FMG	Boggy
Skymole	Francesco
Al Hellar	Pierre D
Doni Yourth	Vosblod
Dean Logan	Adam Cooper
Dean 0	Ed76
Robert John	Tin Tin
Uli	Du Fossa
	RogUK
	Maddog

Race List = IGOR Server = UKGPL3 & T7 Race date = Sunday 14-04-2013 Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT) Track = monza10k (http://www.dixierunners.speedgeezers.net/monza10k/) Race length = 16 Laps Variant = 1967 Formula 2 Damage Model = Intermediate Qualifying time = minimum of 30 minutes

Maybe we should wait for previous race' s moderation (Jarama for FII) before determining handicaps ??  :-[ ;D

At Monza10k. For a 3 point lead (actually a 13 point deficit https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=11550.msg207875#msg207875 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=11550.msg207875#msg207875)), they need me to be a further 3 seconds per lap off the pace. Seriously?

We are still learning about the F2s.  Last season we made a special case for a similar fast track, Hockenhiem (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=11199.msg201657#msg201657), and allowed the Lotus 48 to be used by the championship leader.  Perhaps the moderators could be persuaded to introduce a similar concession for this race.

I had the option of the Lotus 48 at the Hockenheim race, and took it gratefully. It seemed to be just a notch down on pace requiring some serious thrashing to stay with the pack.

 The Cooper might have been an option, as I have found my lap times only slightly slower than the main pack. On a slipstreaming circuit and with some luck I could probably have collected some good points, although making any sort of pass would be pointless until the final corners on the final lap  ::).

But the BT14 and the Fez would have required a totally different race plan to get any sort of result. I would have had to set them up for slipstreaming and squeeze everything out of them to ensure that I was always behind a faster car on the straights by absolutely nailing the corners ( the only place where I might gain some ground). The only hope would be to hang on until the final lap and hope to gain places from retirements ahead and a banzai attack off the last corners?

Monza 10k is a track where EVERY car is at the mercy of the slipstream, even the fastest cars will be unable to prevent a pass if the car behind is geared correctly. But the lack of power in the BT14 and Fez will mean that it is unlikely that they can even stay in the slipstream over such a long,flat out lap and they would certainly lose pace if they pulled out of the slipstream, making a pass impossible.

I would support the option of the Lotus 48 for the handicapped drivers in this race.

Bill is away for this one so the Mod is unavailable. I would add the Lotus 48 for Group II this race only and face his wrath when he comes back. In my defence I have to say I am just as quick in the BT14 and Fezza as in the others as they are just as good at driving through hedges, gravel, armco etc. which is where the majority of my lap is spent...  ;D

I wish I saw that change on time... I used the Ferrari instead, lol...

@Dean - at least you can actually take the Cooper and it's not bad AT ALL. It's not a winning car of course, but then again the point of handicap is to make it difficult for the championship leader to win. It can still get a top 3 with proper slipstream and safe driving.

Hi,

got a good praccy for a change, but once i realised I had qualified on race fuel with really tall gearing was then worried about not getting off the line well.

just quicky lowered 1st gear and hoped. it helped and got away OK. big jump to 2nd though which i hope didnt cause anyone behind to many probs

wanted to settle down but not really used to being a front runner So I was a little worried about all the cars around me all trying to win the race in the frist 2 or 3 corners  :).  didnt get into too much trouble until having a spin trying hard not to run wide into other cars at the lesmos. thanks to all behind me who didnt run up my rear..

anyhow, got through that Ok until dropped out of another cars slipstream on the banking and took on a wobble that turned into a lurid slide and spin.

took my shift R but was suprised when I obviously re appeared on the banking.. I really couldnt seem to get under way and thought i was only going to spoil anothers race so took another shift R and an early bath.

hope all went OK for the ones left and i think it had the makings of a good race.

first time ever at this track. i think Im going to like it if we race it again.

heres to the next one.

Paul V.

I was running 6th when two cars ahead crashed at Para. I hit one of them and got flying and got a black screen. Game over :(
Ciao

Just after the qualification I was discoed.

Hope you had some fun...

At the start, I had no hope to win with the Lola FVA, and it was even worst after the 3rd turns (Lesmo) of the 1st lap : I was rear ended  (by Fabio's car ?) and made an impressive flight in the air before hitting the Protos of the poor Ed/Shunji :(
Ed's Protos engine exploded ...but my Lola was absolutly not affected (congrats Mr Eric Broadley to make such reliable cars !!)

in the meantime, Bernie had taken an advantage of 8 seconds ...but thanks to Fran Molteni' s slipstream we could easily re-join him.

During 6 or 7 laps we made a nice (and sometimes dangerous) race, Francesco-Bernie-me ...until Fran and Bernie had a side by side contact at the entry of the Parabolica.
So I could win this race, something looking not possible at the start, with my underpowered car !
...but it was my day.  ;)

Sorry to Dean_0 for the bump into Lesmo2, and to everyone involved in the aftermath (Clive, Towlie, Phil, might be others but can't tell from my replay).  :(

And sorry to Al for the bump in qualifying.

yes, I had to make a shift-R in the bank but it is almost impossible especially as cars arrived, I found myself last.
already earlier I was hit by another car accident.

And I expected the replay to see who sent me in the Armco before the line at the end of 1st round ... I do not understand how he could think of to fall back on me at this point, he knew that I was there since he doubled me ! I wonder if he has his license on the road it must be very dangerous .

So, it was not a race with a lot of fun for me ...all day had already been catastrophic (apartment flooded, PC down .... etc) ;  :-\

No probs Dean. Me & Tom were attempting to line up a slipstream-share around the banking & were just about to start our Q lap when you hit me hence I was a tad exasperated at the time but I saw from the replay that it was completely accidental. It looked like you just touched the inside kerb on the banking & got launched sideways - I've done the same coming off that tricky final section onto the straight.

As regards my race, well if you'd offered me 2nd behind Hristo before the race I'd have taken it, but I admit to being a tad disappointed at not taking my chance to nick the win... With such a huge slipstream here I was happy to sit at the back of the leading group during the early laps but the big pile-up at Para on lap 4 allowed me & H a chance to break away alone. With 3/4 of the race still to go, I knew squabbling over the lead would only slow us both down & allow the following group to quickly catch our tow, so I tried to drive in tandem with H so we could both extend a gap over the others. I guessed H knew what I was playing at - I tried to stay behind during corner-entry where I knew H would be quicker but I would pass on the long straights where the Matra had an edge over the Brabham then hand back the lead to H before we reached the corners.

This tactic worked pretty well & by the closing laps we had eked out a sizeable lead over Doni in 3rd - just as well as H lost it out of Lesmo 2 & collected me in the process - by the time we got going again, our lead was cut down to just a few seconds. All that passing of Hristo on the straights had proved a useful rehearsal for the final lap & I'd worked out just where I needed to be on final run around the banking in order to try & steal the win but then as we entered Para for the final time, H buggered up my carefully-laid plan by running wide & going off into the gravel! I couldn't believe my luck so just floored it & made a dash for the line. In my mirrors it looked like H was miles behind, but sadly for me he'd managed to rejoin rather quicker than I'd imagined - and to make matters worse was now perfectly placed to use my slipstream to catapult his car ahead out of the final banked turn. With hindsight there were several other things I could've done, but it just looked like I was far enough ahead to make it. Bloody slipstream! Lost out by a tenth on the run to the line... congrats to Hristo on the win & to Doni on 3rd.   

Big apology to Clive. I was overly concerned about breaking hard and/or taking too tight an inside line because of people behind possibly going for the same space. Poor decision on my part and I'm sorry I ruined your chance of a race win. Likewise TOulieF2, I thought I had cleared you when I turned in but I was wrong, my fault I think.

However Natan, I thought you had more than enough space on your side of the track on the run down to curve grande, but sorry for the contact anyway.

Grats to the podium.

You're way too aggressive and taking too many chances so early in the race. I was more than glad when I went wide at CG and dropped behind the pack you led, then just watched as carnage ensued at Para. And TBH it's not the first time when I'm having a fright racing you in these series, you just drive like it's the last lap... and it's not.

Your entitled to your opinion on my driving/aggressiveness Hristo but I don't agree at all.

Also, I know we have disagreed on this point in the past but apologising post race for contact with another driver, whether I feel at fault or not, is a natural reaction for me and I don't really care if you think its not sincere or a sign of guilt or weakness etc. Regarding racing together its rare that we meet. In this race and this season I don't recall any rash manoeuvres on my part where I have affected your race. If I am mistaken please accept my apologies.

For Clive in particular I'm gutted. We had a cracking battle in a practice server prior to this race and he was the last person I wanted to make contact with. The incident was on the first lap so will be moderated anyway. I can only hope for the leniency shown to the miscreants at the start of the infamous Watkins Glen race this season. If not I will take my medicine and move on.

Grats to Podium
Grats to Rainer on win

Yuk start for me back after break, could not qually kept getting disco then GPL locked up,got the backup drive out, quick install of track, squeesed back on server just in time for start, used default setup with longer 5th gear and was surprised how good the Lotus 48 was. Had a good start and was up to 3rd for a mo then spun going down Rettilino est, lucky car not damaged had some good racing then lap 7 sh-t steering started to play up and at Curva Sud went over the top shift r but steering useless end of race.
Great fun drafting with these cars hope we can do this track again.

My apoligy to Girard for the collision at the first Lesmo but with the incident of Reinier i did not have time to break to avoid the contact.After the mistake at lap 9, that involved also Bernie,(mysterious mistake ,seem that the brake was blocked or the box of the 2 cars entered in collision but not the car)I have problem probably with the fuel.I was so angry that without check if was a fuel problem i decide to retire.
Probably i forgot to load the race setup and i was started with the default that mean 10 laps.
I don't write to Badblood for the incident with Girard ;first becouse there is not yet the possibility,second because the first lap is controlled and there is nothing to say. ;D
Anyway the battle with Reinier and Bernie was fun,is a shame that the race is finished so for me.

Yes, I didn't check the replay yet but I guess it was mine... :(

Apart of such a disaster I had a really boring race, too far from the one in front of me and too far from the one back.

See you on track

Bravo Mr Molteni !!

It's not just an opinion, you only have to see how many times you've been involved in early race incidents due to your aggressiveness, and how many times you had to apologize afterwards. An apology doesn't solve anything, it's the easy way out. Why not try to learn something instead and not repeat the same out of control driving next time? That way you won't have to apologize anymore. An apology doesn't fix someone's already ruined race.

Don't take it as an insult, I'm well aware it's not a deliberate thing, but perhaps you just get a bit too excited after the start (like some other people as well) and forget that you simply can't win a race in the opening laps, but there's a lot to lose. You say you haven't affected my race, but consider that it may have not happened simply  because I foresaw a possible contact and lifted up.

is it so difficult to write my nickname  :D ?
(http://www.motorlegend.com/modules/breve/photos/high/collection-sas-rainier-de-monaco-7047-1-P.jpg)

or

(http://4photos.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/Cool-Reflections-Tipsoo-Lake-Mount-Rainier-Washington-Wallpaper2.jpg)

No but is similar to a German name,we have also a Reiner in Como and was also a pilot ace on macchi 202 during wwII,probably the son sold me the garage.I have bougth a garage years ago from a Reiner.
For this reason I make confusion.



Bravo for what?Not for the race!

Sorry for miss spelling Rainier   ::)

I was about to give this race a miss due to my not feeling to good but I tried the practise server for a trial after thinking  it was 10k miles of Autostrada driving so not too taxing . Got a good start and found myself leading the pack into Curve Grande , then Lesmo , then next I recall thinking "where did everyone go " did a solo performance for about 6 circuits couldnt see anyone in the mirrors but prib was telling me the rest were behind and closing fast . after that we (Rainier Rog UK ? Francesco ) had a 3 way dog fight for a few laps which was pretty close action , going into Parabolica , Francesco ? took the inside line , me on the outside but for some reason Francesco decided at the last minute the outside was better , not sure what happened there but the outcome left Dave in an unassailable lead , I gave chase but without a tow partner I was never going to catch up , tried a bit too hard and paid for the mistake with a visit to the kitty litter which dropped me back to 3rd behind Rog ( I think ) .

Good racing while it lasted Grats to Dave on the win and all those who finished with a smile  :)

P.S. Hope Paul is feeling better , he took an early bath from the chatroom,  hope all is well with the world  ::)

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It's not just an opinion, you only have to see how many times you've been involved in early race incidents due to your aggressiveness, and how many times you had to apologize afterwards. An apology doesn't solve anything, it's the easy way out. Why not try to learn something instead and not repeat the same out of control driving next time? That way you won't have to apologize anymore. An apology doesn't fix someone's already ruined race.

Don't take it as an insult, I'm well aware it's not a deliberate thing, but perhaps you just get a bit too excited after the start (like some other people as well) and forget that you simply can't win a race in the opening laps, but there's a lot to lose. You say you haven't affected my race, but consider that it may have not happened simply  because I foresaw a possible contact and lifted up.
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Please list them? Do you really want to see who has shot off in the front of most races never to be seen gain this season?

You hardly if ever apologise H but that does not mean you do not cause problems for other drivers on a regular basis. Just because you or any other driver does not apologise does not mean you or they are involved in fewer incidents.

If other drivers have a problem with me I'm sure they will not hestate to let me know.

Plus I have enjoyed a couple of good wins lately in F2 and 67 so I'm quite happy with my driving of late.


 

I certainly don't cause problems of the kind you do, Ronnie. My kind of accidents are usually those where someone brakes too early in front of me (like 30-50 meters earlier) or turns in while I'm on the inside. I do not push people to the grass or make suicidal moves into corners with high risk of going off, nor do I push people right to the edge of the track. I always lift up early on if I see someone is as hot-headed as you and would rather wait for a better moment to go through. Examples? Hockenheim from last season comes to mind. It was hairy going side by side with you every time back then, because you simply don't leave any room for error, you run that close. A single lag moment or a wobble by either you or the other driver, and it ends in tears.

I don't recall the specifics of Hockenhein last season but your comments are noted Hristo. Hopefully I left you enough room on the banking at Monza10k in the last race. You are entitled to your views on my driving behaviour, but I certainly don't agree. Whether it is shared by others I don't know.

I'm not saying I have suffered any more than anyone else but we are all on the receiving end at sometime during a season often from those we least expect.  But I don't for one minute think that the other driver did it on purpose just as I hope they don't think I do it on purpose.

My attitude to the last race is no different to the next. Collisions/contact with other cars tends to slow me down and is to be avoided. It does not always work out that way and that's why I am happy we have the incident reporting system for those who feel aggrieved and the mods to rule and point us in the direction of better racing for all. And yes when involved, I do listen to what they have to say and try to learn any lessons.

Lets hope that should I be fortunate to cross paths with you again on track we both offer each other the due courtesy and respect to ensure safe but close racing. I wish you well regardless.

I got lucky on this one!
I'm third on the grid, but I miss my departure and I found 7th.
I drive fast enough to find myself in third position ... and on the last lap, bernie marks a stop and go and I snatched second place!
good evening for me dave congratulations and thank you to the organizers

No problem for the collision, francesco, this is a race...

Hristo, Ronnie

You are both very fast competitive racers and I clashed wheels with both of you last season see Hristo incident (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=11072#event3285) and Ronnie incident (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=11110#event3286).

I don't want to go over those incidents in detail again but we all need to learn from them.  Most of the classic mistakes  in GPL such as rear ending, ambitious overtakes and bad rejoining tend to be committed by inexperienced drivers.  There tends to be mitigating circumstances for incidents involving experienced drivers.  One of the biggest mitigating factors is the lack of visibility in GPL, another is warp, another is over zealous collision boxes yet another is limited bandwidth (not all cars visible at same time).  We need to enjoy the game within its limitations.

I think that is what is going on here is you are racing on the edge of what the game is capable of supporting.  There is no point arguing over the minutiae of an incident when the main factor is the limitation of the game itself.  Respect each other and respect the limitations of the game.

My point was more specific though. I was talking about racing aggressively early on in a race, especially running side by side with someone and attacking at every corner, instead of gradually building up the rhythm and confidence, and avoiding trouble as much as possible until the second part of the trace. It's just that you can't win a race in the early laps and while I may have been involved in incidents in opening laps, it was almost always due to someone going at MUCH lower speed than normal, rather than me being aggressive and taking risks.

Ronnie !
It was great fun to race with you !
Dono if it was my fault but if it was Im sorry about !!! :o

No problem Natan. I hope we use this track again soon!

 well, bad race for me ....first of all, the Lola was a bad choice , I was not abble to take the slipstraem of the fast cars and 2ndly, too mutch lags, bigs lags where sudenly my car or the car beside me moove from 1 meter ( from one frame to the next one !,)on the side and it is the crash !!!.....I have few crashs ( 3 or 4 ) one shift-r on the banking ( not easy to restart from there ( thx to those who avoid me ;).....    next one Iwill be not handicaped....héhé :)

Was really looking forward to this race ,for 2 weeks ,anticipation built .

Sad  for me then that it turned into a Demolition Derby ,2 hits from the nether regions and both times i came to rest  on my lid :'(.

Good news was after the first one Mr. Logan helped me draft back up to p5-6 , hard to say which it was because a real cracking drafting battle ensued two abreast through lesmos and 3 abreast on the back straight were the highlights  ;D ,,then an off in the entrance to Para put me near Clive ,i think we had the same idea ?  Drafting back up to Dl ? but that came to tears in lesmos again .

About that incident for some unknown reason i had a problem on the entrance ,first time it's happened ,but i hit the wrong button for the downshift and while trying to slow the car in high gear and point the car in the right direction ,i'm sure it caught Clive out ,i seem to enter the turn rather wide and then at the apex i am going slower than normal, most likely because i had to direct my attention to see what the problem was  :taz: so all-in-all not totally his fault :oops:

Being that i was some 30 secs adrift of  the field now ,and having to make another stop/go i just quit ,maybe next time will be better ::)

Such a great track IMHO ,all mods should run here ,Yes even Can am !   ;D

See yaa next race
Dean_0

I make a stop and go !
I can send you the replay !
but I 've not done at the end of the turn or I have been forced to make a shift r
The regulation says that we must make a stop and go , it does not specify that it must be done immediately

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Ed - I will check this for you tomorrow.

Sorry but  i do not agree at all with such extreme sanction and i ask "indulgency".  
My race (three consecutive ones were in same kind of conditions...) is already "ruined" by the Boggy's catapult and i thought in this case the shift R had not to take into account.  
Contrary some simracers can perform great consequences (loss of many points) without sanction...
Excuse me but the lack of care of my catapult-man is clearly the cause of the hit (boggy did not slow at all although he was seeing the scene of the accident btw ED and Dave Curtis). Do you encourage this kind of behavior??
So, I do not understand it is a fair moderation.      

the rules say "A S&G must be taken within 2 laps of the Shift-R, and cannot be taken as part of a normal timed pit stop."

https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/rules/sporting

did you take your s&g within this window?

john

I make a stop and go , but no but actually not fast enough because I did not remember that I only had two laps to do
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The rules says :
No Stop n Go = DQ
Incorrect Stop n Go = 30 seconds added

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Lap 2: 3m15.224s [Off the track]
Lap 3: 2m38.310s
Lap 4: 2m37.124s
Lap 5: 2m36.036s
Lap 6: 2m37.610s
Lap 7: 2m35.531s
Lap 8: 2m36.254s
Lap 9: 2m36.018s
Lap 10: 2m39.330s [Off the track]
Lap 11: 2m36.342s
Lap 12: 2m36.418s
Lap 13: 2m35.813s
Lap 14: 2m36.043s
Lap 15: 2m56.251s [Off the track]
Lap 16: 2m36.342s

Race results :
1   Dave RainierF2                    16  41m40.295s            
 2  Philippe GIRARD                   16  41m54.547s    14.252s
 3  Bernie67F2 darwin                 16  41m58.256s    17.961s
 4  Fabio F2 Locarno                  16  42m10.622s    30.327s
 5  Shunji Asunaru                    16  42m57.713s  1m17.418s

48 + 19 = 67s

I drove about 2 min 37s in average
in Lap 2 my car is destroyed by the landing of an IFO ( identified flying object :Dave rainier)
I have to make a difficult shift-R in the bank (complicated by passing cars, I lose 48s )
Lap 15 : stop and go, I lost 19s
So the 67s total, which cost me 3 places overall while I did not commit a fault .

Sebring I am considered the 3rd and therefore not entitled to a MS7 or Protos.

After the race at I learned that I was DQ at Monza because my "stop an go" has not been fast enough,I lost 28pts and so in fact that I was not 3rd before the race

... I lost many points as if I had caused more than a dozen accidents !
while I have caused harm to anyone and my "stop and go" late did not save me time .

Good remark...incredible equilibrium of sanctions ::)

I have just read this text :
The complete rules are :

So , (i did not know it for my knocked off crash @ T1 by maddog @ silverstone where i did a SnG), ED you did not have to do SnG if you were not in fault (as i believe it). The moderation is perfectly not adequat. With little luck you will have an extra bonus point  ;D  

Complete rules ??? ??? ??? I don't think so.

You seem to have left out the single letter I at the start of the rules  ::) ::) ::)

That would read IF would it not. Since No fault shift-r rules are NOT in operation you are obliged to take a shift-r whether at fault or not. Only one per race mind.

Yes, it says "If 'No-fault' Shift-R rules are operating" and they currently aren't. We've dropped the use of that rule since it was too prone to bad judgement by those involved in accidents.

LOL Yes that's right !!  :cowboy:

Perhaps , but even in this case the worst sanction is a time penality not an exclusion.
Happy to learn  the rule is changed. You said the rule is "dropped"  (reduced use) or "cancelled" ?

PS: I'm sure ED will be happy to know it would have been difficult to judge if he had a non negligible part of responsability for the 2 encountered problems during this race.

It's my guess an incorrect stop and go, would be a driver entering the pits, but failing to completely stop.   He's acknowledged the requirement, but continues to flaunt his unbending ways, rather than amending ways, to avoid further bending. :D

By dropped I mean the rule was used in the past, but is not used this season. In other words, everyone has to make a stop/go after a Shift-R, regardless of whether they're at fault for the incident or not.

Guys,

I recently modified the Sporting Regs to make it crystal clear that No-Shift is not a get out.  (I added the 'If' clause). Their presence there was to lay out the procedure, not to give people a 'get-out'. We currently DO NOT operate them. We believed that was well understood.

An incorrect stop is one where the procedure is not followed. Taking a stop several laps late IS a contravention of the rules. It IS fair to say that we have not laid out the rules to be watertight but we would hope drivers would abide by the spirit of the rules. We will add text to the race post but it is a shame that it is necessary.

To be clear:

There are NO no-fault Shift-R. You MUST take a stop within 2 laps of the incident unless on the last lap (when a time penalty will be added in lieu). Failure to do so will result in exclusion.

The number of resets permitted in a race is detailed in the Series Details page and taking more than permitted will result in exclusion.

Since the rules were not clear up to this point, we will consider the circumstances and see if a time penalty is more appropriate in this instance only

That is not a question of clarity in the rules, I knew I had to make a stop and go as I did but I did not remember that I was only two laps to do. (I make several championship and the rules are never the same, I do not think the check before each race)
So I made ​​late.

So to simplify the problem I am withdrawing from the championship

No - it is fine Ed - it has highlighted an issue that we have.

See you at the next race hopefully!

No sanction for an obvious lack of care with a major knocked off : Boggy ran flat out till the impact although he was seeing the scene of the accident btw ED and Dave Curtis. Do you encourage this kind of behavior?      

OK that's clear

Hi Tintin
Well I'm glad tha'ts cleared that up

Boggy

Mod report updated.
1/ Ed / Shunji's disqualification has been lifted. UKGPL rules require that a Stop & Go is taken within 2 laps of the Shift R. The moderator will check the drivers following laps - if you have not taken a SnG within two laps we will assume you have forgotten about it. As Ed is relatively new & may not be familiar with all the rules  I am reducing the Disqualification to an Incorrect Stop & Go with a 30 second time penalty.
2/ Tin Tin - Disqualification for two Resets. The rules for the Formula 2 series are quite clear & the decision stands. We do not allow a No Fault Shift R in this series. This can sometimes feel quite harsh (when you were not in any way at fault) but that's racing. Think of One Shift R as the same as Pro Rules but you get one extra life. I have reviewed the incident between Boggy & Tin Tin at 05m59s - there was no physical contact between cars & this has been declared as a warp contact / Racing Incident. Boggy could perhaps have taken a slightly wider line but I can't see that he should be penalised.