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Practice: 19:20 BST
Qual 2: 20:25 (20 mins)
Race: 20:45 ~ (26 laps)
Cars allowed: Ford Capri (ALL), BMW 3.0 CSL (ALL), Porch RSR3.0 and 2.8
Track: Oschersleben GP 2004 (Built in Track)
Time of Day Setting: 13:00
Weather: Dry
Start: Standing

Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal
Pit-stops: None required

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Still on GMT I see.  ::)

Matt, thanks for spending yet more of your time testing combinations and posting them here for us to enjoy racing. I'm very much looking forward to this one particularly!
P.s. I notice you forgot to set the time zone to BST you silly sausage ;)

 :whistling:


Not sure which button I pressed but the post seems to have been translated into Team Old Git language!  Total rowlocks dialect I think.

Porsche Matt, Porsche  ;)

A porche sounds like where I sleep when Mrs. Goldtop won't let me back in the house.

Unfortunately can't join the race at Zandvort, so I might want to practice for the next race in the calendar.

My question is, are the car options final, or provisional Matt?



Stig

Final (Probably)  ;D
I sometimes put "Provisional" because I need more testing, but this one "should" be fairly straightforward.
My server is up for testing at Oschers this week. I tend to run my server for practice of the next but one event.

Just don't tell him any times Stig.

Then he can't fiddle with it!  ;D

No, No, Tell me times then I can fiddle and get the perfect car choices  ;D
These cars are not a new selection, several of the future events will now be using
tried and tested cars so less need for fiddling and less hours of mindless testing for me yeahhhhh  :thumbup1:

The BMW Schnizer is a bit to fast IMO - approximately 1,5 sec faster than the other 24v BMWs and the Capri 3100. The 911's handle very well on this very curvy track, but I think it takes one of the Porca-specialists to make them go as fast as the others.

Stig

I need a bit more advanced warning of my innacurate times. If I change things now people might complain  ::)
Heros will not take the Schnizer if it's that much too fast. Clive will... but heros won't  :P

Don't want no BMTroubleyou!   :P

Likes the Capri. 

Not to worry Señor Matt  ...... I don't consider myself a hero, so I'll just grab the Schnitzer, if it stays in  ;D

Stig

 :taz: :alien: :alien: :oops: :devil: >:D :cursing: :censored:

Argh, just ran through my calendar (new job), and I won't be able to race on thursdays until 30/6 :-((.

Stig

thats bad news Stig  :(  your exuberant driving will be missed  ;D sorry to hear though, but good luck on new job  :)

i dont know where you guys find the spare time to practise for rounds so far ahead? I have practise envy!  :P

How much practice do you guys need?? Oschersleben is a default track, so it shouldn't take long to work out.

I like Mogget  ;D Tell 'em to stop whingeing and race  :P

From what I can see, GTR2 haven't used it since 2009 (at least, that's when the lap records were set) and PnG have never used it.

So it will take as much practice as any other.

Think that I may have joined in a couple of CG practice sessions in v2.1 days but can't remember.

The suspensions on the BMWs are highly adjustable. I could see it taking some time to get it right. Of course, there is nothing wrong with the default set-up either.

I do not think that I will practice that much this week, but I might hop in the Porsche for fun.
- Walter
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Eeeek!   :eek:

that's not fun it's purgatory!

Clive,

Maybe it's just me, but I never seem to take very long at all to get up to speed on any of the default tracks. I know them so well by now that I can usually adjust very quickly with different cars.

Well I hardly know it at all.

And I may have to rethink the BMW policy as it seems a bit Mickey Mouse for the Capri!!

After the "made of sand" event, I think I should impose a mandatory car choice on our CLive so he doesn't have to worry about it.
This event's edict is "Clive shall drive" (heck it rhymes) the......... Capri  ;D

Hmmm, I probably shouldn't make any declarations til I do a few laps. lol

Just found out that I can be there for the race, so this time Porsche is no go for me ... I'll go with newer IMSA.



It's a joy machine but too slow here.

compared to the allowed super fast capri and BMW variants it probably is sadly. (wish we'd stop allowing the 'all' bit when using those two cars!) It would get destroyed down the s/f straight and the back straight negating any advantage you'd gain in the twisties.  :(  Rude not to give it a try though  ;) 
Any laptimes for comparison? Not turned a lap yet but at least know the track very well  :)

All you have to do now is take away all other choices for everybody else and I shall be happy as Larry!

Vicky Park tomorrow btw.

Race fuel and med tires - around low to med 1:35`s ... for me it is crutial to keep front tires in good shape which is not easy in BMW without radical setup changes ...

Of course the flip side of that MJ, is that slower ones would get destroyed in the twisties negating any advantage you'd gain down the s/f straight and the back straight. ;)

Oh goodie goodie!!

I'm only four seconds off the pace of Rapidly Aging Ed!!!!!

One question: this is Triple entry. Is this line OK? Across the white line (track border) ...

(http://i39.tinypic.com/r720kg.jpg)


btw Clive, according to my kids, I`m too old and, by joining Team Oldie, I'm just old ... see the progress! I`m getting younger and younger ;D

It is good, this is what people do in GTR2 races, and the lines on the track draw it that way

thanks, I was wondering about this as well (and taking that same line, though with less impressive laptimes resulting from it).

Yes one of the rare track corners that for some reason uses a line beyond the race track, don't know why they don't re profile the entry.
Just did some prelim laps in the RSR, 1:37.4 (race fuel) best so far for me, and its a handful but fun as ever! No chance of a podium with (all) beemers and capris available though. ::)

Sadly that does seem acceptable at that corner on this track.

IMO it's a Micky Mouse track where you have to have almost four wheels off track to get anything approaching a flowing line. Don't like it but that's how it is. I sadly missed Zandvoort last week, one of my favourites, and will miss next week's race, so I'll be happy to get in a race at all and stop complaining!

Just tried a BMW out in a case of 'know your enemy'  ;) took me all of 6 laps to bang in a 1:36.3 with full race fuel  ::)
Tough up the front eh?  ;)

Well I don't normally even think about doing a lap before I join the server on Thursday night & am usually about the same pace as MJ by the time we join the grid...
But I've spent about 2 hours in the only BMW with a vaguely black & yellow paint scheme (BMW 3,0 CSL 3.5 12v) & am still 2+ secs off MJ's "prelim laps in his RSR". ???
Looks like I'll need to upgrade to another 'white' 24v :( (I'm bored of Capri's & can't do Pork)


p.s. Wouldn't mind seeing a bit of track time for the Jag's & Elan's or some of the other cars we've not used in UKPnG3 yet (that I'm aware of). Certainly think they warrent some miles when we seem to be racing the Capri vs Porka vs BMW every 2nd week.

+1

+1

 :stupid:

-1  :P 
im loving the 70's racers, we had several years of just the 60's cars! Its refreshing to get to use these babies properly, though also happy that we use the other cars in different championships.

2hours praccy Legz?! your losing it mate. I did only 11 laps in the RSR and 6 in the BMW to get those times. You obviously cant handle fast cars  ;D  :-*

They are quick but as pointed out above they eat tyres. I did a long run on med tyres and by the end of it was more than 2 secs off my early pace. If the Porsche is more consistent it may make up some places towards the end.

I'm not a big fan of the 70s cars, but my best lap so far in the white Fatz Alpina Essen BMW CSL 3.5 24v is 1:35.5 (with race fuel). I would probably be quicker in the Schnitzer, but I noted in another P&G3 race that this car has a tendency to blow its engine if you aren't careful. Mind you, that was at Silverstone, so it may not be an issue here.

What an awful little chicken run this is.

Only fit for a Lotus Pram Race

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=11664.msg209856#msg209856

I try not to clash too much with the GTL series, no reason we can't run some 60s event though.

Is a track that has been used in GTR2 races successfully, it is by no means a chicken run.  :P
I had several requests for built in tracks, and when I use them I get people complaining.
But then I get people complaining about roller skates, yank tanks, pork, just about anything
so I'll just keep plugging away. We can't have Cobras every week Clive  :angel:

Tried the 12v BMW tonight for Legzys sanity  ;) managed a 1:38.3 after 6 laps but also managed only the same time in the RSR again this eve, so bit indecisive really  :-\ an alien will get either into the 36's.
Like that retro wooden dash in the 12V   8)

I keep trying to find a match and track for the 12v it is a very nice drive. but it's too fast for everything I've tried so far.

Why?

Give the lad some breathing space, Clive. As someone who had to work out the relative performances of the P&G cars for the WSL, I know how difficult it is to please everyone all of the time ;)

Oh come on, give Clive what he wants, we know he is gagging for a one make Mini race! ;)

Argh!!!!!!

No, no, anything but a Mini race.

Anyway, Matt knows better than to pay attention to any of my rantings!

Indeed, I firmly believe that Clive would complain about the colour of the envelope
if he won the lottery  ;D

I try to vary the cars between the series, this GT series repeats every 4 weeks, though
there could be some overlap at times with the Enduro or British Historic series.

I am really short of test time at the moment, so sometimes I am obliged to use tried and tested
car sets, I am away for the next 3 weeks, I could really use some help.
GT kindly assists with testing when asked  :thumbup1:
Anyone fancy putting together a track/car combo for one of the series?
I will do the admin, you just need to come up with a suitable track and some similar
pace cars. Tony had a readers wives drives series once which was fun.
I am not trying to push things on anyone, but if you have a fave track and can come up
with 3 or 4 cars that run within a second then PM me  :tt1:

The next event I need is a British Historic, (though any would be good) I was looking at Thruxton, but any UK track
that we havn't used yet is fine. Cars are whatever takes your fancy, I try to keep it
sensible, so a mix of cars that might have conceivably run together at some time.

Mallory Park used to be a good Brit track for GTL, sure it would be good for a BHTC round in P&G  :)

Indeed a good track for racing & we had another good GTL one there recently, but it's not one we currently have available for GTR2, so you'd need to check who the track creator is Mark & if we're authorised to use their tracks, it would require some testing.

I might do the same for Dijon, haven't raced there since at least 2009!

Erm....

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=11432#event3599

I bet you pair are thinking of Mondello aren't you  ;)

Ha! Yes indeed Mondello park  :-[

Managed a 37.1 in the Rsr but can't break ino the 36's for love nor money  :(

36.4 for me, but difficult to nail every apex and there's one corner in particular i can never get right.

A real expert (John) would have it in the 34s at least..

I've managed mid-34s in the Capri, but haven't tried anything else yet. I've never used the BMW before so it's a bit late notice to get a setup together for it, will give the Porsche a go later though.

Yep as GT says:
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=11432.0

We already done Mallory. Nothing wrong with a repeat visit to a track that worked particularly well
but I would prefer to leave a bigger gap. Mondello? I guess, it has never awed me that one
might be good for some roller skates - Alfas, Tinas, Minis, even Escorts maybe

I havn't run any laps here for a few weeks ad have no idea what time I could get
I will probably take the IMSA or the 12v as I like him even if he isn't the fastest.

was that in the RSR Frex? with 40mins race fuel?
Im torn whether to take the RSR or use a Beemer for once. I can just see me having a spin in the RSR as it feels like i'm driving my nuts off to get a low 37 and after several laps my times dwindle to low 38's unless i am absolutely focused doing qually laps every time!

Yes, RSR 3.0 (Jagermeister livery). Can't remember the exact fuel load but it wasn't on a full tank, so my race pace will probably be similar to yours (37s).

Think I'm in big trouble here.

Even Legzy is going to be quicker and, like John, no time to cook up a BMW setup.

I have been practicing with a 1976 RSR, but I am going to try out the 1975 RSR in my next practice. My lap time is a bit off pace (1:39 personal best).

Yep, the RSR is hard work here. My legal pb is a low 36, but doing that in race will be very high risk as there is so much time to be lost by running off wide or risking the cut police at that horrible chicane......I for one will be keeping my eyes peeled for that one  ;)

Concentration is definitely required at this track, and trying to be smooth through the corners (as opposed to trying to cut them as tightly as possible) is the better option. I do not particularly enjoy driving any of these cars, so it will probably have to be a BMW for me. I reckon I should be able to cook up some pace in it, but I prefer driving that nice GT40 ;D

3 pc crashes within the last hour - the last one near the end of qually and by the time i got back online the race had started. Always seems to happen on a thursday evening *sigh*

Hope it was a good race.

Sorry guys, I don't know what went wrong on my first lap but I went off twice, the second time taking people with me. I deliberately ran on race fuel and hard tyres towards the end of qualifying to get a feel for how things would be at the start of the race, but still managed to lose it at turn 2 and at the second chicane. Sorry to those who did not find a way past my sideways car.  :(

At least you won't have to suffer my company next week as I will again be out of the country.

Found some extra pace in the race for no apparent reason & very happy with 5th, though glad to see the back of both this track & those cars.

Now that`s conspiracy!

Two Team Oldie members out!

Just when I thought that I had connection issue it seems that everybody run in stealth mode ... in a race where I had chances for win.
At least Legzy went well.

whoohooo 6th !  ;D  very pleased with that as expected to be well done the running order against the BMW's and 3.1 Capris tonight.

Qualied 10th with a late 36 time. Made up a couple of places on the start, through all the lit up tyre smoke!  :o and was then surprised to see that me and Nik in RSR's were able to stay with and harass a gaggle of BMWs for several laps.
Nik and Clive then tangled ahead of me and i found myself 5th  :)
Kept there until about lap 11 when Legz caught me in his 'faster' car  ;) but then when trying to chase him back i overdrove and had a silly small spin at a corner ive never spun before  ::) and Geoffers got a very easy pass!
After Johns demise i was Now 6th again and stayed there until the end. Nearly caught Legzy again when he had an off and was hoping to really put the pressure on him for last 2-3 laps but again i overdrove and had another silly spin...grrr.

Very challenging track this one, hardly any letup and it was a tough 26 laps in the RSR, so rewarding to finish as high as i did  :)

Congrats to Mogget and podium  8)

Bad luck to those that had connection problems again  :(

Well that was all going to plan... Make a good start into P1 - Check. Drive the wheels off it and build a gap while the big stuff squabbles behind - Check. Try and stay ahead until end of race - Nope >:( Killed the engine on an over-aggressive downshift while trying to stay ahead of Mogget. Damn.

I think I did that last time I was in a Porsche here as well. I should probably learn from that.

Grats poduim :thumbup1:

Results and REplay Posted
Tough track with these cars, too tough for me, sorry to any Porkas (GT for one) that I got
in the way of in corners, I was going as fast as I could.

Congrats Mogget! Well done.

I had a regrettable spin and found myself backwards in the middle of the track :scared:. I really am sorry to the driver that could not avoid me. I will check replay to find out who you are so that I can make a better apology.  :oops:

I enjoyed the rest of the race. I felt like a spectator once the leaders came around to lap me. My car actually started driving better towards the end of the race.

Fun event, Thanks to all!

-Walter

EDIT: I watched the replay, and I am sad to report that it was Les Neilson that received damage from my mistake. Sorry Les, I wish that it was my car that was damaged and not yours.

Nice race that  8) Always a challenge trying to find a way around the beemers in the corners and never quite managed it tonight when it mattered.

Decided to start from the back as those first few turns looked a bit dodgy. Was soon having a good battle with Matt, but rushed my moves a bit and made some silly mistakes. Clawed my way back and had a long battle with Clive, but again couldn't quite squeeze past him cleanly in the twisties and was always outgunned on the straights.

Congrats to Mogget for the win and some good pace from others up front.

That was a very satisfying drive for me, and my first significant win for quite some time. A poor start dropped me down to P6 from P3 on the grid, but a couple of BMWs hit the dirt not long after the start. That left me looking for a way past Alessandro's Porsche. I managed that, and then quickly started hassling Geoffers for the second week in succession :) He just clipped the kerb at one of the tight left handers after a lap or so, and I was able to move past him into second place. That left me with the rather difficult task of trying to catch John! I managed to keep pace with him for many laps, and then very slowly I started to reel him in. It was hard work, and I needed to be very consistent to do it, but he was almost within striking distance when he spun off just after the "triple". I was expecting him to recover quickly, but I never saw him again. It was only after the race finished that I discovered that he had blown his engine :(

At that point, I realised that I had a great chance of winning the race. In fact, I eased off slightly over the last few laps, just to make sure that I didn't make any daft mistakes.

It's been a while, but I am happy to be on the top step of the podium again 8)

A few things I forgot to say:

1) Well done to Alessandro for doing what I couldn't and getting the Porsche on the Podium :thumbup1:

2) After my unfortunate demise, I spent the rest of the race watching Goldtop trying to figure out a way past Clive. I know from experience that trying to get past a BMW in a Porsche is an exercise in futility ;)

3) From watching the above I just have one other thing to say... Apexes, Clive! Apexes! ;D

No problem Walt, I'd already made contact the previous lap, and I didn't notice any effects. The race started okay, but it was my first time in these cars, and after too many excursions I called it a day.

I fixed the classification of the Alpina at P&G 70s Group 4 - if it should be Group 2 let me know and I'll change it.

As Jarda Zacek still hasn't registered despite requests for him/her to do so, should he/she be barred from taking part in future races?

All the BMW CSLs are in Group 2 Dave.


Good race for me apart from the early spin, was surprised I was the only one in the Capri.

Jumped up to 2nd at the start after I avoided the stationary Mogget, you need to get your starts sorted Mogg  ::). Took a couple of laps to really get upto speed by which time Mogg was on my case. Made an error at T1 when I braked too late & got into a bit of a slide, overcorrected & spun off!  ::) This dropped me back to around 8th or 9th. Had a good chase back up the field although I never really had a battle with anyone, every time I got near to the car ahead they span off. With John's engine blow up & all the spinners I was a bit lucky to finish 4th only a couple of seconds behind Alessandro's Porsche.

Congrats to Mogg (great drive), Rob & Alessandro.  :clap: :clap: :clap:

I can get reasonable starts in some cars (got a decent one in the Shelby Daytona Coupe at Suzuka on Tuesday), but others are just sluggish to "take off" with autoclutch. I wasn't stationary in the BMW, but I guess it probably looked like that to you!

Can't ban Jarda, I wouldn't have anyone to race if we did!
Can we register him? even without his email address and stuff
it would be better than having a guest each week.

Really? Your call. Maybe send him a pm to explain that he needs to register?

Errr..........If he hasn't registered he can't receive a PM?

He may not even visit this forum!

You probably have to catch him on the server.  ;D  And hope he can understand English.

I'm not sure registration is mandatory to race with us. He runs with us regularly so
should do really, I (or anyone who meets him on chat) will ask him to register next
time we race.

Jardas a clean decent racer, no reason to ban him because he hasnt registered ! If he was a wrecker or liability then it would be a different matter. Im guessing he doesnt speak English but enjoys the classic racing here.  :)

that was an scary race for me, The difference in speed in some corners from bmw and the porsche caught me by surprise thus in one time I made contact with Clive and spun him, Im so sorry for that, I even lifted a lot, thought u did ur braking ones and u brake again caught me by surprise, since I was so close to you there wasn't time for me to react and hit u,

as for the Race was fun till tires lasted, following a bmw in the tripple corners made me have some off track moments, since I had to brake for those corners to slow down not to hit the bmw and I wasnt used on braking in those corners and that translated in me going off track avoiding contact, a part from one time I couldn't avoid phspok as he went wide in the grass and I was right behind to follow and just made a little contact sorry for that did all I could.

Congrats to Mogget for the win great job mate.

Cheers guys looking forward for the next race

No Problem Nik, I was very aware that I was being a pest to the Porkas  :-[

LOL

Sure you are absolutely right John but by the time you were watching I was happy just to stay on the grey bit!

Grats to Mogget, Alessandro and errr..........Robert?

Please note that I have said nothing about the track, or the cars;  absolutely nothing, nowt, bugger all, not a word.  OK  wouldn't like anyone to think that I might moan a bit.  ::)

You seem shocked. Well, so am I. Just a bit lucky that some of the faster guys had problems.
Got a bad start. It was hard to tell if I was bogging or spinning the tires. Then had a good race with Alessandro for about 10 laps. He wasn't making many mistakes, so I had to be patient and get a perfect entry and exit in the last turn. It took a few tries to get it right, but then I was able to pull away from him. Much better than the last time I raced at this track.  ::)

But we cannot pm him nor is he beholdent to incident moderation if any were needed in the future.  ???

Not shocked Robert, just couldn't remember your real name.

It's an age thing.

How do you know it's his real name? :D

To join a race you must have read & theoretically agreed to our league rules. On top of that, only members see what the race password is.

With this in mind I have two suggestions:
1) I am perhaps wrongly assuming he's one of our Italian friends, if so we could ask the helpfull Manteos if he knows who he is for likely forum name or to try to get in touch.
2) Change the race password temporarily, I suggest something like "whoisjarda?" or "donttelljarda".

On a side note, the reason that Nik does not have a flag next to his name is because the country list does not include Albania. Can that be corrected?

Jarda is probably Czech ... at least his (nick)name is.

Thanks for the info. We will sort that out.

Unofficial LapChart (http://www.justanotherpage.nl/Srou/PnG/GTR2_Oschersleben_2013_5_16_20_45/)

Happily trundling at the back in the Brumos Porsche. Even had a small battle with Walter.
Then the connection broke up.. Bit surprised because I haven't had a conn failure for a while.

Oh well, that's simracing. There's always next week...

You could put this in online chat:

Jarda, mohl byste prosím zaregistrujte se na www.simracing.org.uk

Oeps! That remark was for the illustrious Zarda discussion not the Albanian flag issue..

Hmm, I understand the points, but I can't get too distressed about Jarda, next event I will ask him in whatever language it takes
if he would please register. I see no need to do anything in a rush, he is, as stated, a clean racer, he has not caused any trouble
but yes, to regularly race he should register. "If" anyone meets him in other leagues, please would you ask him to register
Thanks.

Okay, I've fixed that.

Also added Albania to the country list and added the appropriate flag.

I'm very happy to celebrate my first podium here!
I decided to choose the Porsche because I was sure to replace the gap in cornering speed compared to the fastest bmw & Capri, but it didn't happen.
I was 7th on the grid, and thanks to a great start, I gained the 4th position at the frst corner.
BMWs were really fast and I missed some extra hp, but the important thing was to get to the finish line.
Nice race with Geoffers that was chasing me very closely.
I finish the race in 3rd position grabbing my first podium here!
Grats to Mogget for the victory and robiker for 2nd place, and thanks for the fariness of the drivers on track.
Thanks for the fun guys, see you!

Looks good thanks a bunch :)