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Title: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Formula 2 Trophy - Sebring - Apr 28
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on April 25, 2013, 11:03:23 PM +0100
THIS POST IS FOR THE LIGHT & HEAVY RACES

Round VII of the Formula 2 Trophy will take place in Sebring Raceway, Florida, USA. Sebring circuit came into existence in 1941 as a US Army Air Forces training base. It is one of the oldest circuits in USA is the venue for the historical and very famous for ‘The Hours of Sebring’, an annual motorsport endurance race. After hosting the US GP in 1959, Sebring lost its place on the F1 circuit to Riverside

The series will run on two separate grids ~ The Lights will run on T7 & the Heavys on UKGPL 3. Please ensure you join the correct race. The Driver list is shown below & the Championship Table can be found here F2 Trophy  (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=389&theme=6)

Handicaps will apply – please observe this rule as a failure to take the correct car will result in an exclusion.
In the Lights Dean Logan – Group II (BT14, Ferrari or Cooper). Magic Arsouille & Evil Clive Group III – any of the Group II cars or either Lola or either Lotus.
In the Heavys – Rainier – Group II, RogUK & Ed76 – Group III.  

A maximum of one reset is allowed per race & must be followed by a compulsory Stop & Go in the pit lane. If you Reset on the last lap a 30 second time penalty will be awarded.
Incidents should be reported in the usual way.
In line with other divisions the races will be subject to full moderation in the red zone which will be to the exit of the  Wbster Turn. The Moderator may chose to investigate any other incident, in addition to reported incidents & red zone incidents.

Please note that for UKGPL has introduced a system of penalties within each series for drivers accumulating yellow cards – see here
Penalty Points (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=10879.0). Drivers incurring these penalties will receive a PM advising when a penalty has been applied & what race it should served.

LIGHT HEAVY
Arf Arf Badblood
Cookie Bernie
Evil Clive Billy Nobtrakes
Fulvio Bilto
Hristo Dave Curtis
King Hiro Geoff
Magic Arisoulle Giovanni
Natan Il Lupo
Phil Thornton Jonny O
Bartosz Nigel Smith
Raoni Frizzo Paul Villers
Ronnie Peterson Rainier
FMGBoggy
Skymole Francesco
Al Hellar Pierre D
Doni Yourth Vosblod
Dean LoganAdam Cooper
Dean 0 Ed76
Robert John Tin Tin
UliDu Fossa
RogUK
Maddog

Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL3 & T7
Race date = Sunday 28-04-2013
Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Track = sebring (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=6123)
Race length = 14 Laps
Variant = 1967 Formula 2
Damage Model = Intermediate
Qualifying time = minimum of 30 minutes


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Formula 2 Trophy - Sebring - Apr 28
Post by: PaulV on April 26, 2013, 08:29:33 AM +0100

Ok, so i dont make the same mistake of practising at the wrong track..

is this Sebring 67 or one of the others?

cheers, Paul.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Formula 2 Trophy - Sebring - Apr 28
Post by: DLogan on April 26, 2013, 08:43:00 AM +0100
...is this Sebring 67 or one of the others?...

Yes.







 ;)  it's Ginetto's Sebring 67.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Formula 2 Trophy - Sebring - Apr 28
Post by: PaulV on April 26, 2013, 07:33:40 PM +0100

Thanks Dean..


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Formula 2 Trophy - Sebring - Apr 28
Post by: blito on April 28, 2013, 12:53:57 PM +0100
I really should get off my arse and download the track.....   


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Formula 2 Trophy - Sebring - Apr 28
Post by: fpolicardi on April 28, 2013, 08:02:58 PM +0100
T7 server is set for 14 laps Long race and listening on Igor in Consolle session with OpenGL_V2.
Ciao


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Formula 2 Trophy - Sebring - Apr 28
Post by: blito on April 28, 2013, 09:47:26 PM +0100
A few days ago I looked at this announcement and thought "What a dreadful choice of track, I really don't want to do that", but this afternoon i really fancied a game of GPL so I reinstalled the track ready for tonight. During qually I was competitive but found myself thinking "what a dreadful choice of track, this is gonna end in tears".
Midway through lap two it ended in tears.
A dreadful choice of track :(


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Formula 2 Trophy - Sebring - Apr 28
Post by: francesco on April 28, 2013, 10:11:55 PM +0100
A race with too many error for me ,mainly during the breaking.Sorry to Uk67f2(I think) for the incident.
So after the nht error with overturning caused by the pilot behind me(is not you foult)i decide to retire from this disaster,but also becouse i was at the second shift-R.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Formula 2 Trophy - Sebring - Apr 28
Post by: BadBlood on April 28, 2013, 10:16:40 PM +0100
Can't agree with Mr B about the track - couldn't remember the track at all so joining qually with three minutes to go wasn't ideal BUT first lap was quite close with lots of brake testing. Then I span and started to work my way up from the back. Nigel rejoined in front of me and I was competitive with him but blew my engine just as I caught 'Shinji'. Blast. Started again and had just set my first sector fastest time when BANG. End of race. Reset but thought it was one reset so did a couple of corners and retired.

Reason I disagree with Jason is that some of these corners are great if you nail them. The chicanes especially. Fun while it lasted.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Formula 2 Trophy - Sebring - Apr 28
Post by: Arf Arf Arf on April 28, 2013, 10:19:09 PM +0100
I agree Jason - I really couldn't get into this track, didn't really enjoy it at all.

There was an awful lot of chatter tonight - really impolite and totally against the rules. I don't care how angry or sorry you are with someone else - SHUT UP. Write it in the forum afterwards. And keep shut up until everyone has finished the race/qually too!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Formula 2 Trophy - Sebring - Apr 28
Post by: EvilClive on April 28, 2013, 10:29:28 PM +0100
Apologies if I posted chat at the end of the race whilst you were still running Arf3. I did a quick check of prib and thought everyone had crossed line or retired it appears I was wrong.  :(

 As for chat DURING race, not guilty and definitely not acceptable. :nono:


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Formula 2 Trophy - Sebring - Apr 28
Post by: blito on April 28, 2013, 10:42:50 PM +0100

Reason I disagree with Jason is that some of these corners are great if you nail them. The chicanes especially. Fun while it lasted.

Indistinct braking points, roadside objects that push crashing cars back into the racing groove, wide open spaces that give no feeling of speed..... very poor choice of track for an online race.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Formula 2 Trophy - Sebring - Apr 28
Post by: Phil Thornton on April 28, 2013, 11:34:34 PM +0100
Can't say I really like the track (too flat for me) but it wasn't too bad and should have been good for slipstreaming if I'd had a chance.  Jason does have a point about the bollards and bales, they do prevent an out of control car from gently sliding off the track and out of the way.  Perhaps it would be better to have a slippery surface off the racing line and ghost bollards (i.e. ones you can drive through with impunity) instead of solid ones.  But it is a faithful reproduction and a rock solid well engineered track so we can't complain too much.

As expected I qualified at the back.  I managed to avoid a few spinning cars at T1 and T2 but at T3 I got distracted by a spinning car ahead and I dutifully spun too.  Got collected by Sky and Arf (not much they could do about it) and I had to reset.  I had to wait until the entire field had passed before I could respawn and when I did everyone had gone and I had no chance of a slipstream.  After my stop and go the pack were over a mile ahead and I had no chance of catching them.  Picked up a couple of places as people dropped out but the only person I had a race with (on the very last lap) was Dean who must have reset and had to do a S&G.  Managed to get past on the run down to the last corner and just held on over the line.

The competition is really tough in the Lights and I'm finding it hard to compete but I have to say Billy has got the split absolutely spot on.  The slowest time in the Lights (i.e. mine) is almost exactly the same as the fastest time in the Heavies. 


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Formula 2 Trophy - Sebring - Apr 28
Post by: dave curtis on April 29, 2013, 12:08:56 AM +0100
Well,  lucky to get away with this one...

Just did not get around to any kind of practice prior to the event,  although I at least seemed to have installed the track at some point in the past.   Luckily, the car choice was made in advance & no need for any car setup in this class (from my point of view anyway!).

Then,  it turned out that my 1st (out) lap was my fastest of the few that I managed to get in during qually/practice session.   Thank goodness for the signposts - I was making use of them throughout the race!

Made some progress, then a couple of offs undid the initial gains.  However,  I think I was rather fortunate to make further progress due to misfortune of others.   Once things settled out was surprised to have then been gaining on the likes of Bernie,  again - slipped past due to misfortune elsewhere.

So, in all - lucky.   I also found it rather bland driving-wise,  or maybe it was my bland driving & difficult at times to actually see what's coming up.  But that may just be airfield tracks generally - with their wide open space / lack of natural reference points.

Anyway,  not bad team points in the end  - provisionally at least.

Cheers all.
Dave.



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Formula 2 Trophy - Sebring - Apr 28
Post by: PaulV on April 29, 2013, 08:36:37 AM +0100
not a good one for me either.. again never had time to practice for an unknown to me track,

hoped to learn it a little through the practice session last night but it isnt an easy one to learn.. well not for me its not.

just not enough landmarks etc.  I see others have said about it being flat and featureless, I agree fully with that and i guess as Dave C says thats pretty usual for airfield tracks.

I do though think it would make a great track to race on once its better known.  some of the corners and the esses/chichane bits are excellent.

I was relying totally on the corner boards and the brake markers, they helped me a lot but hopefully someone may do a graphics update sometime and add some extra trackside objects.  maybe not historically correct, but would help this track in my opinion.

did a few scrappy laps and ended up late braking into a hay bale.  couldnt reverse of it so decided I was less of a danger to others if I called it a night.

hope the race went fine after all, congrats to all finishers and podium places.

Paul V.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Formula 2 Trophy - Sebring - Apr 28
Post by: MagicArsouille on April 29, 2013, 04:30:52 PM +0100
hi

not a good one for me too......just 2 laps in qualif......12 on the grid  and unfortunatly , I make a mouve on the grid and   I got a "PIT IN " so I do but after 3 laborious laps I'm disqual !...... :-\


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Formula 2 Trophy - Sebring - Apr 28
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on April 30, 2013, 12:31:33 AM +0100
I rather liked the track. It has some great corners. On the downside the long straights are a bit too long & do have that road to nowhere feeling - unless you are in a slipstreaming battle.
Unfortunately I had far too many unforced errors - about the same as Nigel as we regularly traded places after minor excursions to the scenery.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Formula 2 Trophy - Sebring - Apr 28
Post by: JonnyO on April 30, 2013, 04:58:56 AM +0100
 I'm in a bad level today , very fast in one division......  and very slow to another.

  I think that would be the best to put myself in the division faster.

  will be possible to change the next race?


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Formula 2 Trophy - Sebring - Apr 28
Post by: Nigel Smith on April 30, 2013, 08:01:04 PM +0100
At first I thought 'oh no not another airfield' as I don't generally go well at these. But the engineering of the track meant great 'draw' distances and that helped a lot to get the feel of the track.  During the race I think I picked up several places on the first lap. This was probably due to others being extra cautious and avoiding the 'accident on wheels' that is usually my car.
Unfortunately on the second ? lap I followed Bernie a bit too close into the esses and clouted his gearbox, resulting in a SnG for me. Sorry if it spoiled your race Bernie. These things really do pick up the draft don't they :-[
From then on it was a case of playing catch-up- several times due to little errors on my part- I think I got stuck on the same bale as Paul V, but managed to reverse off- and generally I was enjoying the race.
Last lap and I was up behind Billy with a chance of one more place for the finish- damn, went and done it again- touched his gearbox at the right handed at the top of the circuit and we both spun. I rejoined ahead of him but didn't feel that was fair so let him pass with the intention of staying close and making a cleaner attempt at the last corner to take the place. It wasn't to be though as Billy kept it tidy to the line and left me no way back.
Grats to the podium and all who finished. I see some of the comments about the track and whilst I agree in general, picking the cars (F2) that reward slipstreaming the most actually made it enjoyable, for me at least. I race for FUN, I don't have the time away from RL to be able to practice enough to be really good, but although it's fun I will take it as seriously as I am able and respect the views of others while I am enjoying this great hobby.
Can't get on track tonight as I will be out, but have fun everone.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Formula 2 Trophy - Sebring - Apr 28
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on May 23, 2013, 10:05:02 PM +0100
Moderation published.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Formula 2 Trophy - Sebring - Apr 28
Post by: tintin on May 24, 2013, 09:57:03 PM +0100
 ::)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Formula 2 Trophy - Sebring - Apr 28
Post by: Rainier on May 25, 2013, 09:50:49 AM +0100
::)

Tristan

witout your rear end shunt against my powerless Cooper, I could have win this race or at least, more easily, follow the powerful Jonny's Matra.
I know you have been paid by Jean-Luc (Lagardere) for that.
We all know your 2nd nickname : Cevert !!! That's the proof of your culpability  ;)