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Practice: 19:20 (GMT) (60 mins)
Qual 2: 20:25 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 ~70 mins (34 laps)
Cars allowed: Jaguar "E" Type Coupe/Roadster (ANY). Ferrari 275 (Not Speciale). De Tomaso Pantera "Stock". Cobra 289 Coupe (Not WIllment) Lotus Elan.

Track: Mexico 1967 Dowload and install this (http://www.matt-rowe.co.uk/comp/PGfiles/MM_GTR2_Mexico1967_1.0.0.0.exe)
Time of Day Setting: 19:00
Weather: Dry
Start: Standing

Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption:  x2
Pit-stops: You must make a minimum of one pit stop during which you must take on at least 1 litre of fuel and/or change at least two tyres. You cannot take a mandatory stop with less than 1 lap to go.

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Looking forward to some of these cars, thanks Matt 8)

Yeh looks great, unfortunately I'm gonna miss this one.  ::)

Will miss this one too due to holiday absence  :D

Yay! having missed the previous two weeks, I am now local for this one so will be donning my sombrero and
having a few whizzes round the peraltada  ;D

Not a fan of this version sorry to say. Far too many opportunities to cut in the twisty bits and a hairpin that always ends in tears  :'( Mexico88 is more sanitised although maybe a bit less fun  :-\

And after a quick blast, I'm 3 secs quicker in the Elan (67 track).

3 seconds quicker than what?

It will be your MARA refined setup that is doing it!

Not really mate, I even ran the Elan first and used other previously tested settings for the fezza, Cobra and panty (haven't tried the E type yet). The Elan loses only slightly down the straights, but is mighty in the corners.

I've just been on line and done a few laps in the Elan.  ;D

Loving it!

The white lines would give Erik a problem though!   ::)

Used to like Mexico in GPL too.  The hairpin was always an issue with plenty of penalties dished out.  The problem that we have in PnG is that the only time that we get to run in close proximity to other humans is on race night.  That's when you find out how/how not to hit people and it's a bit late.

The other thing about GPL was that you could download a quick lap by a variety of aliens and see how it was done.  The analyser let you compare their lap with your effort too.

New idea for Matt............................. series based on the original GPL Rank tracks.  We could even have our own UKPnGRank!!!!!

Just dreaming.   ::)

Will be interesting.

EDIT:My Elan is 1.3 seconds quicker than my Cobra.  Don't think that Matt will get them much closer than that.
EDIT again: 5sp Jag is 3.5s down on Elan for me.

so...cough, 'lose' the Elan then  :)

Aren't the other 4 cars similar enough to make it a good race with them only? Drop the 'wunder-Lotus' from the available car set I says.

No.

I have a bigger gap between the Cobra and Jag than between Cobra and Elan.

Could just lose the Willment (red?) Elan instead.

Another Cobra race will suit me just fine.   ;D


EDIT:  This is also an enduro so the tyres may play a part in the overall result.  I guess that all of the testing being done so far has been on the softest rubber available.

so what laptimes are you close hand poker players setting?

2:06.3 Jag E-Type
2:06.6 Shelby Coupe

so far for me, online with full race distance fuel.

And I still say bin the Elan, it doesn't fit with the other cars, but not tried it personally.

Done some more testing, and I get rather different times, with full tanks and "medium" tyres.

Cobra Coupe (non wilment) - 2:03.1
Elan willment or lotus         - 2:04.3
Jag lighteight 5spd            - 2:04.6
Ferrari 275                       - 2:05.5
Panty Stock                     - 2:06.5

The Cobra for me is more than a second a lap faster than anything else, but is heavier on tyres and will need a longer stop
the Ferri though slower can go longer on a tank.
I disagree that the Elan is out of place, I think it fits well time wise and period wise, The Panty is a bit
out of place maybe, but is an easy drive for those that want one.

I got a slightly faster time with the team lotus elan than the the WIllment, if people think it's faster I will limit to non willment
we usually don't allow him anyway.

Wish we could stop messing with the cars after the announcement.

If Matt has found a match then lets go with it.  From what I have read, nobody else has driven all of the cars but they still want to mess about with the list of runners and riders.

This is a complicated race and I have already started to do comparisons on fuel and tyre stops and would like not to have to bin all my efforts so far!

As I have said, my Elan(Wilment) and Cobra(non Wilment cos that's what it said on the list) are quite close.  The Jag was the slowest of the cars that I had the chance to test and I'm now perched 100 miles from my pc and not able to do any more testing.

My Elan setup is the one that has had the most work on it because MARA are doing a spec series using it at the moment.

From memory my Cobra time is a 2:01.1 and I'm a tad quicker in the Elan(Wilment).  I haven't got as far as working out if the Cobra tyres will last the distance.

(Unsurprisingly) I am with CLive  ;D

I think any of the cars is a potential winner in the right hands. I think the Elan
is a good car for the long run. I believe the Cobra is quite a bit faster, but may need
to change tyres. The Jag is also a good option, but will need a slightly longer pitstop
I do not make car changes the same week of the event unless there is a serious
issue, and there isn't. Pick the car you like and race. As for white lines, you can
drive anywhere you like on the grey surface, lines or not. I consider the light green
surface to be off limits, as is the grass. Some of the half tyres are real and will have you off
and there are cut tracks at the chicane after the hairpin.

N.B I have increased the race length by one more lap, as my testing says even the most
fuel challenged car can do 38 laps with one stop. If I am wrong shout up.

Just found out i cant make this race anyway...harrumph!  :(

though maybe just as well seeing my laptimes need to improve by a further 3-5 secs !!  :o

Take as many Elans as you want  ;) but yes Matt and Clive are quite right, stick with it if tested. I just came back from hols and read a couple of posts that said Elan was upto 3 secs quicker so jumped to a conclusion.

For me, all cars are pretty much equal with around 1 second time difference between fastest and slowest except Jag (around 1,5) but I`m still exploring "legal cuts" ...

My choice of weapon is ... well, don`t know yet. Ferrari or Pantera - both cars are capable for 2:02 something in race trim (full tank and harder compound tires).

Cobra is out of question because I can`t get rid of understeer (hate that) ...

Elan, hm, fast through the corners but what if I stuck behind someone who know where to put his car to give me no chance to pass him ... no worth of my nerves.

Out of the cars I have tried, the Elan is fastest with the Cobra and Ferrari close behind. I haven't tried the Pantera and Jag yet. As usual, I'm nearly a second off Ed's pace. I may take the Elan simply because it's the Elan :tt1: . I don't think I can live with the howl of the Ferrari over 70 minutes, and it needs to be driven in a very risky manner. The Cobra is ok and it gave me my first and only win, but will need a long pit stop.

So that's no wheels to touch the grass?

Yes, no wheels on the grass, as per our normal keep off the grass and gravel guidelines.
If you take grass at some places you will get cuts anyway, so don't risk it.

Just a quick note to say that I will not be taking part in this race.

I'm sure that the solid polo mints keep moving about to catch me out!

I am confused about the fuel calculations with the x2 multiplier. Is it set by the server? Yesterday, the server seemed to be set to 1x. How do I calculate pit strategy?

This is my fuel consumptions but be very careful because my driving style allows me to use less fuel than anybody else here ... I think.

Numbers are already multiplied x2.

Pantera   - 5,5 liter per lap
275 gtb/c - 6,6
Elan      - 3
cobra     - 6,1
Jag lightweight 5spd - 4,6

...with the little help from MoTec ...

Sorry, I forgot to set the 2x fuel. I have restarted the server now with 2x fuel.

Cheers, I think I meanwhile worked it out for myself. Ed, I'm getting 3l (or 1.48 without the multiplier), just as you - but unfortunately, I am a second or so at least off your pace.

Call me nostalgic, but I like the "GPL" tracks. I also like this group of cars, and I have been wanting to try an Enduro Cup race with you all. I hope that I am able to join this race.  :-\

EDIT: My dad went to the 1970 Formula One race at this track. Jochen Rindt had won the championship, and then perished before the end of the season.

I agree about the GPL tracks Walter.

But where did you get the habit of waking up so damned early?

Different time zone, It was pretty late at night when I wrote it.  ;D  (EDIT: Sorry about that)

TBH, the best time for me to practice is at 6am every morning.  :o

anybody else unable to connect to multiplayer?

Edit: forget it, problem on my side

Sorry, I was about 20 minutes too late. See you next week hopefully, Walter

Was having agreat time racing some people. went into pit, and my crew did nothing, so went round again on the fumes
came back in a bit  fast trying to not block an Elan behind, rammed the red elan in front (really sorry for that ) and health went to 0
game over...  :-[ :'(

Well that was bloody frustrating. I qualified 2nd, lost two places at the start and then was stuck behind Frex's Ferrari for a number of laps, getting passed by Goldtop, until I got past Frex at the hairpin. I then ran in fourth for a while but completely messed up my pitstop - hit the pitwall, then sat in the pits for two laps while nothing was happening and quit. GRRR.

A frustrating night for many then  ::)

Crepe start as I had to slow down for someone in front leaving me well back on lap one. Gained a few places as others had mishaps, but then brushed the armco on the exit of Peraltado giving me over a minute and a half of damage. Tried to cancel when it came to pitstop but couldn't, so had to wait for repairs  :sleep1:

Managed to claw back to 4th and then had a disco halfway around the final lap  :hang:

A real shame as there was some good racing tonight :(

Chugged round decently enough all night, but managed to be short on fuel so had to concede a place to GT (who I can't understand why he was behind me ???) in the last two laps & in the end waited for Clive to lap me :(.

Still, nice to have a pop in the Elan after quite some absence, think I should have tamed the corner entry oversteer a little more as it caught me a handful of times :laugh: but pretty good overall 8)

Re: pitprobs --> turn off the engine

Got a stop n go penalty for speeding in the pits. How are you supposed to know what the speed limit is?
I was dog slow - not knowing this track and not having much practice. Just got lucky so many others dropped out.
My fuel calculations were off using XD. Took some extra fuel at the stop, but it was barely enough to finish.

That was luverly.  ;D

Thanks to Matt for letting me race on one of my favourite GPL tacks and thanks to John for taking a slow enough car to let me win and then messing up his pit stop to make it comfortable.

Yep. i know that. And i know how to turn the engine on and off, and what keys starter and ignition are mapped to. But it seems every pitstop i do in PnG is the same - engine switches off fine, but won't bloody restart again..

Congrats Clive and podium.

And I enjoyed that too!

Cheers Frex, great fighting with your Ferrari at the start of the race.

I find that it's the lack of ignition light that catches me out.

If I hit the ingition switch at the wrong time I don't know that it has done nowt!  Then I try to start it and it wont and after a while I don't know if I'm switching the darn thing on or off.

You probably know this, but you could try un-mapping the ignition & starter buttons. Then the game stop & start the engine for you.

You can either practise and use the limiter in the pit lane. If you slow down to a crawl there's a speed limit, if you don't there probably isn't. Or use wordpad or similar to interogate the Track.gdb file. You also need to turn the limiter on again when your pit stop crew have finished serving you otherwise you do fall prey to the speed guns. Some tracks have poorly defined limiter on/off locations. But a good pitstop practise session will sort those out.
If you setup P&G for an offline race with only your car and no qualy or warmups you can do a real pitstop on every lap until everything is tikety-boo. Hope this helps.

Thanks for the above suggestions - all food for thought. Strange thing is though i can park up and switch on and off at will no problem offline, but come the actual pitstop during the races and something is going wrong. If i can't figure it out un-mapping the keys could be a good idea, thanks for that suggestion john.

Thanks for the tips, Tony.
I did a couple of practice stops yesterday, but didn't notice a speed limiter. Might have just been distracted by real life problems.
I don't see Mexico in my locations folder, but I'm able to see the pit limit in some of the other track folders.

Results and Replay Posted

And very nice and Soggy they look too!


On the subject of pit stop speed limiter, when I was doing off line testing the driving view switched from bonnet to cockpit as the speed limiter kicked in.  However, last night this didn't happen and I was left in bonnet view, which is what I usually use.  I found during testing that the limiter kept me at 48 kph on my way out and so I tried to stay below this on the way in.

Last night I found that I could switch the ignition back on and start the engine whilst they were faffing with the second pair of tyres, thus being able to check that it was running before I was ready to leave.

Pit stop time was 52 seconds as I recall and I was able to get away smartly enough to mow down that bloke who was mincing about in front of me all pit stop! 

Unofficial LapChart (http://www.justanotherpage.nl/Srou/PnG/GTR2_67_mexico_2013_6_6_20_43/)

Way off the pace so just focused on bringing the car home.
Even managed to finish 7th  ::)

Congrats to Clive

Good job the Elan wasnt the race winning car then, taking 4 of the top 5 places (excluding alien John) :whistling:

Not so sad i missed the race now.  ::)

Yes, also Yet this track is now being done.
though race for me. in qualy, with a good time, i managed the third position.
in the race start, due a low start, i lost 4 or 5 position and in the second corner i kick that white wheel on the side of the track, and, i ve done a very good turn around! ;D
Unfortunately all the cars behind me have risked a lot for not hit me. If i'm not mistaken, nik went offroad for my fault.
So i decided to wait him
During the race, something went wrong in pit for somebody, and abruptly and fortunately i got the 3 position, keeping until the end of the race.
this time maybe i ve got lucky. the 3 place was sneak!
 
Cu. Ciao

In fairness there were only 7 finishers :P

Though I do wonder if we might be able to slip the Elan in with some of the slightly faster cars, should go well against the Daytona / Cobra 369 Willment / Ferrari 275 GTB Speciale / Chevrolet Corvette L88.
Personally I'd take it over a 914 too :-X

Hi Frex,

I see on Alex's lap chart that you had clocked up three track cuts, so PnG probably thought that you were serving your Stop-n-Go. There was probably a black flag hiding behind the nearly transparent XD panel.

Definitely not Clive, i don't use xD.. And anyway my stop/go penalty occurred after my stop.

I should clarify that i did manage to get going again after my stop, but only after repeated attempts at restarting the engine. My frustration at losing time and places got the better of me and in pushing too hard on my outlap trying to make up lost time i got 2 cuts within the first few corners (stupid..). That only added to my frustration so i really was not in the mood to continue. Academic anyway as i got discoed a few laps after whilst sat in the pits. Sigh.

I'm clearly doing something wrong at the stops, but i really don't know what. Should sit down and test it all thoroughly i guess, and i'd probably get to the bottom of it..