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Title: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: phspok on May 18, 2013, 05:30:17 PM +0100
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Practice: 19:20 (BST) (60 mins)
Qual 2: 20:25 (20 mins)
Race: 20:45 ~ 40 mins (30 laps)
Cars allowed: Austin Healey MK1

Track: Westwood Park  Download and install this (http://gizmo71.www.idnet.com/srou/ukgtr/tracks/SRou_Westwood_1988_1.0.0.0.exe)
Time of Day Setting: 13:00
Weather: Dry
Start: Standing

Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal
Pit-stops: None required

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Championship Standings (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=381&theme=34)

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Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Legzy on May 18, 2013, 11:41:54 PM +0100
Don't mean to moan (I'll start to sound like Clive :-X), but another Porka only round? Really? ???
I know you don't like them eith Matt, don't feel like you have to enflict them on everyone else. MJ gets to drive a Porka in at least every other race, plus every Sunday already...


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: phspok on May 19, 2013, 02:46:06 PM +0100
Fair comment, I thought people liked 906s.  I would like to use Westwood, I am not too worried about the cars.

EDIT:
Ok. This series was put on to give an outing to cars that are either too fast or too slow to fit into other groupings
On that theme I have changed it from 906s (that didn't really feel right here anyway) to something more in keeping with the historic track
Now we have Austin Healey Mk1, different colours and 5 gears, not much fun for hot lapping, but based on similar events we have done
it will make a great close race.  :fencing:



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Mogget on May 19, 2013, 03:25:56 PM +0100
What do you mean by "5 gears"?


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: phspok on May 19, 2013, 03:32:51 PM +0100
I mean the Mark 1 has 5 gears, instead of the annoying 4 of the MKII (Or so I thought)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Mogget on May 19, 2013, 04:42:48 PM +0100
Both cars only have 4 gears.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: goldtop on May 19, 2013, 05:13:26 PM +0100
Don't think I've ever raced a Healey before and how anyone drives them quickly is a complete mystery to me. I think I'd rather drive a tank and call myself Clive  :laugh:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Clive Loynes on May 19, 2013, 05:22:52 PM +0100
 :P


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: phspok on May 19, 2013, 05:24:01 PM +0100
Hmm, Never tried the older ones, I always use the later red one which has, cough, not 5, but 6 gears... :o
True all the others have 4 gears. If the red one has a significant adnvantage then I will ban it
ta for the info.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: goldtop on May 19, 2013, 05:39:21 PM +0100
Think I read somewhere that all the Healeys had 4 gears but switchable overdrive on 3rd and 4th depending on year/Mk which is what PnG replicates.

I used to have a MGB GT with swichable OD on 3rd and 4th. In fact, I wish I still had it  :'(


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Mark J on May 19, 2013, 05:56:14 PM +0100
Not that I'm against using a different car here if the 906 isn't suitable but to change cars because one bloke don't like Porsches....really?!  It's not a 911 its a bleeding different car and class altogether  ::)
I'd rather drive a 906 than an old healey any day of the week!  :hammer:

I reserve the right to veto any car that legz prefers at the next round  ;D


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Mogget on May 19, 2013, 08:56:43 PM +0100
I had no idea that the red one had 6 gears :o


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Mark J on May 19, 2013, 09:33:37 PM +0100
I think some American cars would have been more fun here at Westwood. Healey is a snooze fest unless on a small British track and seems out of place on a Canuck/US track  :-\


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: phspok on May 19, 2013, 10:14:33 PM +0100
Snooze fest for practice yes, but remember all the stick I got for the Lotus 7s at Monaco
and those that survived had a great race. I want something in keeping with the track
I will go with a majority if there is one. I didn't feel that 906s were right anyway
Legzy's comment just pushed me over the edge. If we get a few people wanting the same
car we could use it. I am quite keen to give the venerable AH MK1 an outing though
the race intself wil be a hoot, not many places to smash up on unlike Monaco.
cars are an easy drive. Sounds like a plan for a good close race to me.  :chef:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Geoffers on May 19, 2013, 11:20:37 PM +0100
Why do people think that because a car is slow it isn't fun. In my experience the slower, easier to drive cars usually provide better closer racing than cars which are trickier to drive which tend to magnify the difference between the faster & not so fast drivers.

PS: talking of slower cars, when are we gonna have some Minis?  :D


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Legzy on May 19, 2013, 11:43:45 PM +0100
I agree completely with Geoffers (with the exception of the Mini :laugh:)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Clive Loynes on May 20, 2013, 07:09:59 AM +0100
I agree completely with Geoffers (with the exception of the Mini :laugh:)

Agreed.

The last thing we want is a Mini race!

The slow cars do give a good race but I'm usually bored rigid with the thing by the time that the race starts!  This means that I do less practice and thus get even slower.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Hotkeys on May 20, 2013, 08:38:40 AM +0100
Mini's ?  Just love'm, and they always provide close racing. If you get bored practicing, don't :-))

Stig


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Mogget on May 20, 2013, 09:01:21 AM +0100
I never do much practice anyway, because practice (by definition) is boring. Why would I want to practice when I can race somewhere else, or fly one of my lovely FSX planes around the UK?


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Mark J on May 20, 2013, 12:47:39 PM +0100
each to their own i guess, but i dont feel any desire to sim race a slow car  :-\ the tedium gets alleviated on a smaller circuit but any GP track or long straight is just dull in a slow sim car.  Maybe i am spoilt by having a quick light car in the real world hence feeling no need to sim-race a slow old bucket !  :P  Will still race it but enthusiasm will be low and like Clive, i probably wont bother practising much.

As for practise, some of us need it, we havent got natural sim racing talent for 'any car at any track'  ::)  If i turn up on a race night without any, i usually flounder or am well off the pace and then i dont enjoy it. There are so many quick guys on here that without any practise your looking at the back end of the grid or a visit to the scenery. I quite like praccy anyway, if i have the spare time and i like the car, its rewarding setting a car up better than you started with  :)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: phspok on May 20, 2013, 01:03:21 PM +0100
I am with Geoffers, is more or less what I was trying to say.
I think if we ran minis and Cortinas every week you would have grounds for complaint or not turning up
But we don't. We run quite different cars in different series, true there is a lot of overlap sometimes
but one week we are driving GT40s and Corvettes on a wide track, next week we run smaller slower
easier cars on a tighter track. Variety is the curry of life. I need practice in whatver and wherever it is
even if I know the track, unless it's a car/track combo I have used often, I still need to know
whether the fronts are going to overheat/wear out before the rears so i can make a setup that
will still be drivable at race end. It's a boon that now in PG3 there is often one or another Pork that
can run in class, whereas in PG2 the RSRs were either too fast or too slow.

I put no effort into making practice fun, all I care about is whether it will be a good race.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Mark J on May 20, 2013, 04:58:37 PM +0100
Well said old boy  :euro:

 ;D


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Clive Loynes on June 29, 2013, 05:41:34 PM +0100
Any chance of a server?


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Animal Ed on June 30, 2013, 06:24:04 AM +0100
Something is not quite right with this track ... or my install is not good (not likely because I have second install for testing and have same problem)...

Can`t get timed lap at all like I`m not on track ... and MoTec shows session but not lap times.

Could that be only offline problem?


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Clive Loynes on June 30, 2013, 09:50:54 AM +0100
I have noticed that it doesn't create a TT folder or a setup folder.  It files everything under Anderstorp.

Works ok once you have found the files.  Syd put my TT lap in his Anderstorp folder and was able to see it from a TT session too.



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: goldtop on June 30, 2013, 11:49:48 AM +0100
I have noticed that it doesn't create a TT folder or a setup folder.  It files everything under Anderstorp.

Works ok once you have found the files.  Syd put my TT lap in his Anderstorp folder and was able to see it from a TT session too.


Noticed this too. I always create a folder for each car and then name the track setup within.....saves me trying to remember where I raced the car before  :wheelchair: Unfortunately I lost most of my setups in my recent Win7 moment so have had to start from scratch  ::)

No trouble with logging laps in game or in xd here Ed, so maybe worth investigating.

Anyone got any times yet? I'm in the low 1:21s but not inspired to do any more practice in that horrible Healey.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Animal Ed on June 30, 2013, 02:43:15 PM +0100
...
No trouble with logging laps in game or in xd here Ed, so maybe worth investigating.

Anyone got any times yet? I'm in the low 1:21s but not inspired to do any more practice in that horrible Healey.

Problem solved but don`t know how. Downloaded from nogrip and that one worked fine (with problems that you and Clive mentioned) than erase that and put from link in first post again and no problems registering lap times.  ???

Considering lap times - same here with low 21`s


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Clive Loynes on July 01, 2013, 09:50:16 PM +0100
I've reached the conclusion that there just isn't a good gear ratio for these gutless heaps!  ::)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Mark J on July 02, 2013, 08:05:20 AM +0100
Im out Thursday so I will miss this particular race. Wont miss the car/track combo but annoyed I cant defend my 4th place in the table and will no doubt slide to about 8th-10th through missing a round  :'(


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: phspok on July 03, 2013, 10:41:09 AM +0100
Wonder of wonders I am here for this race!  :o then away, then back, then away then back....
With all the discos going on I am tempted to try my backup server for this event...
Likely to be a few wets who won't turn up, so might be worth trying.

I am not confident it will reliably support 28 runners, but I would like to try it so we
have something to compare with. If it looks dodgy in prac/qual, then I can always kick off
the "proper" server for the race in a minute or two. Any thoughts? objections?


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Geoffers on July 03, 2013, 10:53:18 AM +0100
Any thoughts?

No!

Quote
objections?
No!


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: phspok on July 03, 2013, 11:29:59 AM +0100
Chortle.

I assume that was no thoughts and no objections...  not No! to doing it.  8)

If no one objects then we will test it. If there is trouble then I will start the normal server
with 10 mins qual.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Walter Conn on July 03, 2013, 01:49:18 PM +0100
I was having trouble getting my lap counter to work. Apparently I was driving the wrong direction on the track. It looks like we drive this track in the clockwise direction.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: phspok on July 03, 2013, 02:53:53 PM +0100
Indeed, it's those pesky canuks again.  ;D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WestwoodMotorsportPark.png


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Legzy on July 03, 2013, 06:18:26 PM +0100
I don't object, but would a test/fun race not be a better time to experiment than a league race?


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: goldtop on July 03, 2013, 08:20:21 PM +0100
Chortle.

I assume that was no thoughts and no objections...  not No! to doing it.  8)

If no one objects then we will test it. If there is trouble then I will start the normal server
with 10 mins qual.

Well I can't see how it can be worse than our current server.

If there's one thing that's going to affect enthusiasm and participation in these events, it's the prospect of discos.

BTW, is it just me or is this site behaving very strangely the last few days?


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: lelero on July 03, 2013, 08:26:47 PM +0100
hello guys, tomorrow I would run it too, I'll see you on the track


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Clive Loynes on July 03, 2013, 09:21:48 PM +0100

BTW, is it just me or is this site behaving very strangely the last few days?

How are we supposed to tell if you are behaving strangely?


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Legzy on July 03, 2013, 09:24:03 PM +0100
So I couldn't find our server, I joined another one running Westwood & healey was available.
Then a few of our others started turning up & I lost connection.
No westwood server in lobby now ???


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: NPP on July 03, 2013, 09:25:23 PM +0100
well it does behave strangely, throwing up weird things when I try to reply to a thread.

Anyway, has the password changed? I just got kicked off the test server, now get 'Bad Password' for the regular one although three people seem to be on it


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Legzy on July 03, 2013, 09:27:00 PM +0100
My mistake, somebody was restarting it to not one of our normal passwords.

I can see three drivers are connected back in to "test_PnG_v3" so big thanks. :ban:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: NPP on July 03, 2013, 09:29:08 PM +0100
so what's the 'not normal' password? Or is it a private test à la Mercedes / Pirelli?


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Legzy on July 03, 2013, 09:44:55 PM +0100
I've restarted the PnG server, it's now showing & I'm connected.

(with the normal test password)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: NPP on July 03, 2013, 09:54:19 PM +0100
I am now seeing two Westwood servers, but neither accepts the usual password  ???


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Legzy on July 03, 2013, 10:32:34 PM +0100
PM sent NPP.


I'm actually quite enjoying these Healey MK1's. Think I tried them once before in PnG2.1 but it seems much more balanced & enjoyable once you start encouraging the tail to hang out a little ;D.

1:21's race trim for me too


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Clive Loynes on July 04, 2013, 07:19:59 AM +0100


1:21's race trim for me too

It's all going to be very close.

That's probably what people want but let's hope that there are not too many collisions.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Animal Ed on July 04, 2013, 07:53:39 AM +0100


1:21's race trim for me too

It's all going to be very close.

That's probably what people want but let's hope that there are not too many collisions.

I can go faster than that but not consistently so I stated my times as low 21`s despite 40% of times below 1:21 in 20 laps stint - still too erratic... and I hope not too many disco`s ... or not at all :dots:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: NPP on July 04, 2013, 08:31:53 AM +0100
Thanks for the PM Legzy but these were the passwords I was using. I'll try again tonight.

Offline, I'm into low 1:21s as well with race fuel but on soft tyres. Haven't got into the 1:20s yet.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on July 04, 2013, 09:10:01 AM +0100
I have just started the P&G server. It wasn't running  ???

Usual practise password required.

EDIT: Oops, just read through this thread and it looks like Matt was intending to use his own server? No harm done but it means that the lobby now shows the SROUK server and Matt's both running Westwood.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Mogget on July 04, 2013, 09:34:57 AM +0100
I am not sure if I can make it to this race yet.....


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: John Burrowes on July 04, 2013, 12:03:28 PM +0100
Hello everyone,

I just found this great site. It's wonderful to see an active PnG3 group here. I've run in Mike Kolar's long running Sunday series over at Race2Play but work conflicts with it now. Besides that, they're getting less than ten in a race right now. Maybe because of summer.

I'd love to join this race. I've set the connection speed to ISDN and connected to the server without being kicked. I practiced this car/track combo a bit and got to 1:33s. I should be able to get below 90 seconds but man this car seems a bit floaty whilst braking.

I am a clean racer over at iRacing. I've an iRating of 2000 and an Av Inc Per Race of 4.11. Usually people hit me. It's not often I hit them.

So can I join in the fun at this late date in your series? Seeing 20 or so vintage cars on the grid would be sweet!

If I can join must I install TeamSpeak? Are we required to communicate passing info to each other? In the iGPFun Spec Racer Ford league I run in over at iRacing we don't allow chat during qualifying or the race but maybe it's different here.

Cheers guys!


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Animal Ed on July 04, 2013, 12:16:35 PM +0100
Thanks for the PM Legzy but these were the passwords I was using. I'll try again tonight.

Offline, I'm into low 1:21s as well with race fuel but on soft tyres. Haven't got into the 1:20s yet.

No soft tires for Healey, both are hard.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: John Burrowes on July 04, 2013, 12:22:56 PM +0100
I have installed TeamSpeak and successfully connected to the server.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Mark J on July 04, 2013, 12:52:06 PM +0100
welcome onboard John, always good to see another vintage race fan  :)

Teamspeak is purely optional, unless you like hearing Legzys drivvel  ;D , and sure you will find the racing close fun and clean on the most part (with the odd exception  :shifty: )

I am awol from this race sadly, as think it will be close action in same spec cars.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: phspok on July 04, 2013, 01:36:16 PM +0100
The previous server confusion was not me, I don't know what that was about.  ???
I did kill the normal server last night and fired up mine. It seems we now have an auto restart facility (Tony) ;D

Welcome John. teamspeak is optional,personally I think it may contribute towards discos, just my opinion.
No chat during Qual or Race. Ideally no "sorry" or "go left" during the race either. If people chat in the race
then Clive will send a radiation source to your house, and irradiate your family  ::)
Happy Racing  8)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on July 04, 2013, 01:48:39 PM +0100
Healey is a snooze fest unless on a small British track and seems out of place on a Canuck/US track  :-\

Three of the P&G Healey's were specifically built for the Canadian market by BMC Canada (Cars 18, 19 & 20).

They also raced at Sebring. It seems that the 4 speed box was preferred over the heavier 6 speed box for race prepared cars.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on July 04, 2013, 01:55:49 PM +0100
It seems we now have an auto restart facility (Tony) ;D

Sorry Matt, I was keen to try out my brand new fibre optic 100MB broadband  :angel:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: phspok on July 04, 2013, 03:42:52 PM +0100
Oooh goody, so you can provide a backup server as well  8)

Mine does about 3.5-4.5 megBytes download, and about 1.5 MegBytes upload.
having monitored a race with 22 people, it peaks at around 600 KBytes up, and down is a lot less.
so in theory my conn will stand it easily, problem is that it may be variable.
Like I said earlier, if it is looking dodgy then we can scamper back to the warm comfort of the normal server
in just a few minutes.

Oh, I agree with a test race being better, but I am unusually at my house tonight so I can sort things easier.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: John Burrowes on July 04, 2013, 07:30:10 PM +0100
Am I missing something? I can't find the server. Google says it's 19:29 over in England so it should be up.

I found it easily enough eight hours ago.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: John Burrowes on July 04, 2013, 09:09:48 PM +0100
Well the start was fun but I just didn't have the pace to keep up. Not wanting to run alone and, especially, risk messing up everyone else while they lap me, I retired after five(?) laps.

I caught the grass on one lap - in T1 I think - slid sideways across the track. My nose clipped someone as he went by and he went off - then Escaped out of his car with suspension damage. I don't imagine our little contact, or his slide in the grass, did that damage so (I hope) his car was already broken before that.

I'll keep my eye on this series and maybe join Season 9 from the beginning. Then again, there is a quite active GPL community here...

Cheers!

JB


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: NPP on July 04, 2013, 09:32:54 PM +0100
Seems I lack both pace and luck. This one-make race clearly showed the former, at least. I qualified 7th and decided to take it easy at the start, and as a result lost four places. It turned out I would have lost them one way or another anyway, with people slowly catching me. I let my team-mate Legzy past, and on the next lap believed I had allowed goldtop to cleanly pass me on the inside when I was hit by somebody arriving from behind at warp speed. I rejoined even further down the field and my steering was buggered; I could hardly keep it on the road down the long straight. SuperSwift who was in front of me fell off, however, but I was soon caught by my other team-mate AnimalEd. With the steering increasingly random, the inevitable happened a few laps from the end and I went off coming onto the s/f straight.

That was that - see you all in a few weeks, I'll miss the next three races at least.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on July 04, 2013, 09:33:59 PM +0100
Hey John. don't hang about mate. Season 25 sign-ups are NOW for GPL

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?board=48.0

Look up the Season 25 registration threads and see if any of them take your fancy.

BTW we also run GTL here  :angel:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Legzy on July 04, 2013, 09:36:17 PM +0100
Well what a fab race, who could have predicted this combo would have been such a winner! :sweatdrop: :sweatdrop:


Keep coming John B, it'll only take a few races to get up to speed. I used to do the same, try to complete as many laps as possible beofore I was getting lapped by the main pack.

Never mind NPP, next time ;)



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Clive Loynes on July 04, 2013, 09:39:40 PM +0100

I'll keep my eye on this series and maybe join Season 9 from the beginning. Then again, there is a quite active GPL community here...

Cheers!

JB

You might as well join these races John.  Season 9 is probably months off and you can use these for practice.

This was a single make spec race so there is nowhere to hide.  You have to be in the same car as those two aliens who vanished over the hill.

Other races have a mix of cars and you may find something that you like.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Walter Conn on July 04, 2013, 09:42:44 PM +0100
Good race! Everyone in the back of the grid was on their best behavior at the start. For the first few laps, I was keeping up with phspok. Then a car was parked in the first right hand corner, and I was going to fast not to run wide. I went off course maybe two more times after that before I learned my lesson. I was racing with SuperSWIFT towards the end of the race. Then he unfortunately went wide in the sharp left hand corner. Not a bad race, but not my best either. I hope that I stayed out of the lead cars as they lapped me.

Thanks all,
Walter  


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Alessandro Tancioni on July 04, 2013, 09:44:01 PM +0100
good race all. but too many mistakes for me tonight.
10 position in qualy, and good start in grid. i knew that this track was very difficult.
for some laps i had a good pace, but when the tires were at 10 wear out, i began to have some difficult with handling.
in fact at last lap, i made a big mistake and i kicked the wall. end of game
during the return in track after the mistakes, maybe i returned too hardly . sorry for coming drivers. next time i ll be more guarded. sorry for this.
cu


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Animal Ed on July 04, 2013, 10:00:32 PM +0100
Two mistakes! First when i was naive thinking that I could take Geoffers on the outside than run out of tarmac, and second when I was attempting to overtake Syd and allowed to myself to be distracted by his swerving in braking zone and went on grass ... sorry NPP, almost missed you but almost is not enough ... race to forget.

I`ll miss next race. I'm going to check is the salt water saltier than last year was.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: goldtop on July 04, 2013, 10:02:09 PM +0100
Horrible race for me. Possibly the worst car I've driven so far in PnG and a track that I've never particularly liked meant I had no interest in practising.

On a positive note, it's nice to have a race with no discos  :thumbup1:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: phspok on July 04, 2013, 10:17:54 PM +0100
Results and Replay Posted

Well I enjoyed it, no one to play with for a lot of the time, but was great fun at times

"who could have predicted this combo would have been such a winner!"  Well........ err I did  ;D

"On a positive note, it's nice to have a race with no discos" Quite. a one off proves nothing, but my aging AMD machine (a different machine than my race system)
on a domestic fibre line has tonight been way more reliable than our server for the last few races  :detective:  This is not how it should be IMHO
All the people who left retired, and no one discoed as far as I could tell.

Ping was a bit variable at first, but from half distance people's ping was 70-80 and fairly stable. I have never seen a steady 80 ping to CLive before
or John_W.  :o I saw a tiny bit of warping to Tony for a few minutes, but it settled down after a couple of laps.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: John Burrowes on July 05, 2013, 01:27:02 AM +0100
Wiltsure, Legzy, Clive,

Thanks for the encouragement guys.

On Topic:

That Austin Healey 3000 MK I was a fright to drive. I know next to nothing about setups so I used the slider system to set it up. With the soft/hard suspension slider all the way to the right it still seems 'floaty,' while steering left ever so slightly, past the start/finish line, and then braking for T1. My best lap, granted without a lot of practice, was 1:27.947? If I'd had more practice time I don't know where I'd have found even just five seconds in that beast.

Off Topic:

I have to say I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed by choice here at SRoU. The three sims, outside iRacing, that I'm most interested in - GPL, GTR2, and PnG3 - seem very active here. I am in the iGPFun Spec Racer Ford league at iRacing and quite enjoying it too. At the free tracks we're getting 25 gridded - and about 20 for paid tracks.

GPL? iRacing? GTR2? PnG3? I see Race 07 listed on this site too but there doesn't seem to be much interest in it. Since it followed GTR2 I wonder in what way it's inferior.

GPL surprises me the most. Luca Varani, an Italian, founded our iGPFun league and has for 10 years plus ran a GPL league. When I first met him on iRacing I asked "Why iRacing now?" He said, "GPL is dead." I guess he doesn't know about this site.

I don't know how I'll choose where to spend my practice and racing time. Wherever it is I do want to see large grids. Can GPL handle more than a dozen or so in a race? (I'll check past results to answer that myself). I have it installed and, I think, properly updated but at certain tracks weird things happen. At Spa, for instance, if I put myself last on a grid of 20 I can't see my car, and the track graphics are screwed up, until we're moving and I advance a little down the track. Is that a common problem?

I have a little Bio/GPL history I've posted here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=11797.0).

While looking for an appropriate forum section to I noticed the B.R.E.A.S.T.S. sections. Hmmm. Did someone thing long and, uh, hard about how to come up with a name for something using that abbreviation?


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: NPP on July 05, 2013, 07:32:49 AM +0100
John B, I don't think the sliders are very helpful. In P&G, the default setups are usually quite good, just a little understeery for my taste. Usually, all I do is select the appropriate tyre and amount of fuel, adjust the gearing, and soften the front slightly (roll bar, springs, dampers).

I seem to remember from RSC days that BREASTS was sort of a response to ARSE (American Racing Simulators Enthusiasts?), or was it the other way around?

Congrats to JohnW for the win, seems to have been really tight up front!

Ed, are you sure you hit me? I thought it was Giuseppe, at least I assumed as much from the fact that he disconnected right after I was hit. Anyway, I braked early to let GT past who did not really commit to passing me so we were both going slower than normal. This could have caught out people behind ...


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: frex on July 05, 2013, 10:23:17 AM +0100
Somewhat surprised at how well that went for me, as even just 30 minutes before the race i could barely keep the car on track for a full lap without spinning out at T1/2/3. Then something just clicked, and combined with some setup changes i finally had some consistency.

Kept Geoffers and Clive in sight pretty much throughout - until Geoff had some sort of a moment at the final corner, and i passed him sat at the side of the track. That left me in P4 a few secs behind Clive. Was taking chunks out of the gap in the later laps, so i guess Clive had some sort of a problem or was just taking it easy towards the end. Anyway, good fun and enjoyed throwing the Healey around here.

Congrats podium and cyu next time.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Animal Ed on July 05, 2013, 10:41:56 AM +0100

...
Ed, are you sure you hit me? I thought it was Giuseppe, at least I assumed as much from the fact that he disconnected right after I was hit. Anyway, I braked early to let GT past who did not really commit to passing me so we were both going slower than normal. This could have caught out people behind ...

It was me.

After my offroad excursion in first lap, I was catching you fast and Syd was behind You and GT in the middle of the road. I went for inside line and when he hit brakes and swerve to my side (not deliberately I think, at least I was all over the place in some braking zones but not that one) I move to the right instinctively ... on the grass ...


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: johnw on July 05, 2013, 11:09:45 AM +0100
I'm glad I got some practice in during the week, as there was nothing between Daniele and I for most of the race. Daniele got a better start and was ahead going into T1, luckily the tow down the straight kept me in touch for the first few laps until he went wide and I took the lead. Then the roles were reversed and I was the one defending down the straight for the next few laps. Got a break after a while and managed to get out of slipstream range, but the gap was never more than a couple of seconds until the chequered flag, with Daniele closing up slightly near the end as my confidence tyres started to wear out...

John B - Good to see another new face :) As someone has already said, the single make series highlights the difference in speed between the drivers, but most weeks the car choice is more open and the faster guys often take slower cars, so the racing should be closer. If you decide to stick with PnG, it would be worth joining a team to get the benefit of some shared setups to get you off to a good start.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Walter Conn on July 05, 2013, 12:10:52 PM +0100
Speaking of set-ups, I wish that I had softened the dampers a bit. I didn't notice all the bumps until after the race started.

I did not put in much practice time, but found that doing laps in time trial mode helped me improve my pace the fastest. But then I had to adjust to the difference of grip when racing online.

I was very happy that I was able to join you all for the race. I did not know that I could race until about 10 minutes before hand.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Syd Drake on July 05, 2013, 12:44:22 PM +0100
After a couple of races back this was the first solid race I had. I had a decent race pace, and I was even just behind Goldtop half way through. In the last 6 or so laps I had a good battle with Geoffers. I never did learn how to get out of the long right corner that leads onto the back straight so Geoffers was along side me every lap until he finally managed to outbrake me on the penultimate lap. Then we went side by side until the last right turn. But since he was on the right side he had the racing line and got ahead. Really enjoyed that fight. I even managed to stay on the lead lap, just, after going down almost two laps in my first PnG race back. So definite improvement. And I stayed connected for the whole race, something I wasn't managing often lately.
Congrats to podium, especially my teammates John and Clive.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 Limited Car Challenge - Westwood Park - Jul 4
Post by: Clive Loynes on July 05, 2013, 06:37:06 PM +0100
Glad to hear that you are getting back in the groove Syd.

My race was hard work from start to finish.  On lap one, I took too much curb at T2 and as a result had Geoffers all over me.  To begin with I was able to open up about a one second gap back to Geoffers but he then started to gain a tad.  Then we encountered a backmarker.  Not sure what had gone on but the two lead cars were back to just a couple of seconds ahead and Geoffers was having a go at me down the straight. 

I took the inside line and we exchanged paint and door handles at the hairpin but I managed to stay in front.  Not by much and I was greatly relieved when he vanished from my mirrors.

I believe that I had about an eight second gap back to frex but towards the end of the race my car became very difficult to stop in a straight line for the hairpin.  I was in this state when I came up to lap Matt with about six laps to go and by my calculations frex wasn't goning to catch me, even at Matt's pace.   :P    So I was content to stay where I was.  Then Matt got a tad sideways and I was able to pass without attempting anything brave at the end of the straight.

Congratulations to John and Daniele.  Great pace and what looked like a really good scrap.