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Title: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: phspok on May 19, 2013, 02:38:36 PM +0100
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Practice: 19:20 (BST) (65 mins)
Qual 2: 20:25 (20 mins)
Race: 20:45 ~ (40 laps)
Cars allowed: Alfa 1300 GTA Jr, Alpine 1300, F250GT Competizione, Vette L76 Roadster, Mustang Trans Am (NOT SHelby), Mustang BSCC Gr2

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Fuel consumption: Normal
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Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: phspok on May 19, 2013, 02:44:50 PM +0100
This is a "Readers wives Drives" Event.
I can see horror on CLive's face  :o Chortle
The big yanks are clumsy here on this relatively narrow track, I think the smaller cars will be a better bet for the race
tyre wear and all. Please try not to run over the little cars with your big tank :tank: if you opt for one  :sweatdrop:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Mogget on May 19, 2013, 03:27:59 PM +0100
I love Mustangs, but I hate Knockhill :(


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: phspok on May 19, 2013, 03:33:52 PM +0100
So Big Love + big hate = Och aye go on then  ;D
Not my work this one, so I can sit back and let the author squirm  :laugh:
I quite like Knockhill though. Your end of the country (almost)
I am at Barbon June 15th if you are around.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: goldtop on May 19, 2013, 04:05:50 PM +0100
OK I'm squirming, I'm squirming  :-*

Wanted to give some of the lesser used cars an outing in a 60s GT/Club type event, so needed a tight track to balance them out. All cars were within 0.2 secs in testing, so just pick the one you enjoy most.

I reckon a tank will be hard to get past here until of course they start to run out of tyres  :devil:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Clive Loynes on May 19, 2013, 05:25:36 PM +0100
Just bludgeon them out of the way like everybody else.  ::)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Legzy on May 19, 2013, 06:29:40 PM +0100
Just bludgeon them out of the way like everybody else.  ::)
Thanks for the tip Clive, didn't realise you didn't mind. Though in fairness, if you choose to park your fat rear-end right across the track, it's hard not to want to see it wobble :-* ;)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Clive Loynes on June 15, 2013, 06:20:27 PM +0100
My best "legal" tank time so far is a 1:00.5 but that was on a nice empty track without any ankle biters trying to get into the door pockets!


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Animal Ed on June 15, 2013, 10:46:39 PM +0100
My best "legal" tank time so far is a 1:00.5 but that was on a nice empty track without any ankle biters trying to get into the door pockets!

1:00,1 with Alpine but it was suicidal lap and I`m not sure was it legal considering that chicane on top of the hill ..


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Truetom on June 16, 2013, 03:08:02 PM +0100
NO !!!  


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: phspok on June 16, 2013, 07:08:38 PM +0100
Ummm

What exactly are you saying here TT?
No your flu is worse? No you are not liking the event? No you didn't win the lottery?  ::)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Truetom on June 16, 2013, 11:00:21 PM +0100
Not driving these cars, no way. Will join with other cars, or tracks. Have fun. ;)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Legzy on June 17, 2013, 01:06:17 AM +0100
Not driving these cars, no way. Will join with other cars, or tracks. Have fun. ;)
I'm shocked you join us for the 70s cars! :laugh:
The thing is TT, in these cars you have to be brave/man enough to handle close racing! :P


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Clive Loynes on June 17, 2013, 07:04:27 AM +0100
Not driving these cars, no way. Will join with other cars, or tracks. Have fun. ;)

The thing is TT, in these cars you have to be brave/man enough to handle close racing! :P

What he means, TT, is that he wants to shunt you off the track!



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Legzy on June 17, 2013, 07:46:40 AM +0100
lol
Actually I mean that it's much easier to run these cars close without any incident, having some one stuck up your tail pipe (not literally) race long certainly adds to the pressure ;D


p.s. 1:01.3 race pace in the F250c (pretty much my all time favourite PnG car 8))


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: NPP on June 17, 2013, 08:58:02 AM +0100
I'll miss this one, I have nothing against the cars but will be away from my PC. Have a good race!


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Mark J on June 17, 2013, 01:04:58 PM +0100
Ba-doom!  :)
 
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Advert placed at No-grip too  :euro:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Legzy on June 18, 2013, 09:50:36 PM +0100
When I select "Mustang Trans Am" as one of the available cars, it also offers the "Shelby Mustang Trans Am".
Is that one part of the choice or is it too good? Seems to have about an extra 50bhp over the other Trans Am's.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: phspok on June 19, 2013, 09:09:43 AM +0100
A query for Mr GoldTop....


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Mogget on June 19, 2013, 11:03:21 AM +0100
The Shelby Mustang Trans Am is significantly quicker than the normal one, so I would suggest that it is not used.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: goldtop on June 19, 2013, 04:07:50 PM +0100
When I select "Mustang Trans Am" as one of the available cars, it also offers the "Shelby Mustang Trans Am".
Is that one part of the choice or is it too good? Seems to have about an extra 50bhp over the other Trans Am's.

From memory I believe the Shelby stang was too quick.

I'll be missing for at least a couple of weeks as I've managed to feckup my pc while trying to "upgrade" to W7 64  ::) Enthusiasm is pretty low for all things techy atm, so might even take a longer break if I can't sort it all out. In the meantime, have fun all.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Magic43 on June 19, 2013, 05:22:11 PM +0100
Can anyone help me with the set pls? I will use the Alfa but i dont have any idea how make the car faster and better in the turns. I race online since 10 years but i've never learned to build setups. Normally in rfactor i find any set and modify it (as good as i can) for the different tracks but for PnG are no sets available. I was so happy with Geoffers Mini set for GTL and was able to catch the 3th place in the race. Currently i do a 1:06 laptime in Knockhill with the Alfa. How bad is this? I'm only interested on the racesetup. Quali isnt so important for me. Thx in advance.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Clive Loynes on June 19, 2013, 06:57:53 PM +0100
Can anyone help me with the set pls?


I will send you an invitation to join SBRC.

John has cooked up someing in the Alfa line or we can offer a tank or two.

SBRC work together to sort out setups for the cars on offer and we would be pleased to have you aboard and to have you contribute to the process.

PS  I have a MARA race tonight so will not be able to get back to you until getting on for 10ish.

PPS  We hope to have Syd back with us for tomorrow as well.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Magic43 on June 19, 2013, 07:35:37 PM +0100
Thx a lot Clive :-)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Legzy on June 19, 2013, 08:23:14 PM +0100
SBRC work together to sort out setups for the cars on offer
:laugh: you mean you all borrow what your resident alien comes up with :laugh:

Looking forward to having another sloppy bottom to beat :P


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Clive Loynes on June 19, 2013, 09:00:52 PM +0100
SBRC work together to sort out setups for the cars on offer
:laugh: you mean you all borrow what your resident alien comes up with :laugh:


Mostly, John takes our offerings and polishes them a tad!   ;D


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Legzy on June 19, 2013, 09:21:34 PM +0100
SBRC work together to sort out setups for the cars on offer
:laugh: you mean you all borrow what your resident alien comes up with :laugh:
Mostly, John takes our offerings and polishes them a tad!   ;D
There's a saying that goes something like: You can't polish a 3rd, but you can sprinkle it with glitter

(now say that with an Irish accent ;))


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Legzy on June 19, 2013, 09:23:01 PM +0100
Oh Hotkeys will be nervous, his GR2 lap record will be on the line here :o


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Legzy on June 19, 2013, 10:43:29 PM +0100
You know what, there may something in this 'if you practise you get quicker' malarky :-\

Just broke a habbit of a lifetime & only been online before the event! After about 30 laps managed to get down to a fastest lap of 1:00.7 in race trim, which seemed about 1sec quicker than Clive :smartass:

Can't wait to see how far behind MJ is :angel:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Mark J on June 19, 2013, 11:16:56 PM +0100
Well your 1 sec faster than me so far  :yawn: but only done a handful of laps in 3 different cars.

Why is the f250gt such a pants race car in p&g? One would wonder why it has a great reputation based on this performance  ???


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Legzy on June 20, 2013, 12:18:46 AM +0100
I'm in the F250 mate, it's lovely 8)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Clive Loynes on June 20, 2013, 07:21:11 AM +0100
Thx a lot Clive :-)

Have sent the setup and TT lap to the email on your profile, so if that isn't correct you had better PM me with your correct address.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Mark J on June 20, 2013, 08:11:56 AM +0100
I'm in the F250 mate, it's lovely 8)

aww that's even more annoying  ;D  I want to drive it but i'm not as quick as I am in the other cars I tried. It doesn't want to brake, it understeers, then oversteers  ::) its a mess or certainly doesn't feel nicely balanced like a race car should. Maybe I need to do more laps in it.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: phspok on June 20, 2013, 10:29:41 AM +0100
NOTE: Shelby Mustang Not Allowed. (car list updated)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Clive Loynes on June 20, 2013, 10:33:01 AM +0100
What about the Alfa Junior and the Junior WB ?   ;D


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: phspok on June 20, 2013, 10:48:22 AM +0100
What's a "Junior WB"?  Remember, this one is an inspiration from Tudor. I have not actually run any
of the cars here yet.... and Tudor is technologically challenged at the moment.
As far as I know all the other cars are intended.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Clive Loynes on June 20, 2013, 10:59:40 AM +0100
They seem to be same power and weight.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Hotkeys on June 20, 2013, 11:52:17 AM +0100
Oh Hotkeys will be nervous, his GR2 lap record will be on the line here :o
 

Unfortunately I won't be around to defend it tonight  :(

.............. but I will claim to the day I die, that the old P&G cars were much slower than the present  ;)

You guys have a nice race, while I take a sip of my claret in the summer cottage  :euro:

Stig


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Geoffers on June 20, 2013, 12:30:29 PM +0100
.............. but I will claim to the day I die, that the old P&G cars were much slower than the present  ;)

Yeh they definitely are Stig. I still have v2.1 on my PC & I few times I have compared cars & the ones in v3 are faster even though the power & weight is the same. New physics I guess.

The Alfa Jnr WB is the 70s version of the Alfa Jnr. It is faster than the normal (60s) Jnr, but I don't know if it is too fast for the other cars at this track. Haven't tried it.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Mark J on June 20, 2013, 12:51:37 PM +0100

The Alfa Jnr WB is the 70s version of the Alfa Jnr. It is faster than the normal (60s) Jnr, but I don't know if it is too fast for the other cars at this track. Haven't tried it.

well considering its from the 70's and the rest of the car set is 60's, i'd say its unsporting to allow or use it  :angel: It'll probably have better brakes and better tyres for starters.  :-\  But not tried it, and not my call.  :-*


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Legzy on June 20, 2013, 01:50:08 PM +0100
What about the Alfa Junior and the Junior WB ?   ;D
The Alfa Jnr WB is the 70s version of the Alfa Jnr. It is faster than the normal (60s) Jnr, but I don't know if it is too fast for the other cars at this track. Haven't tried it.
well considering its from the 70's and the rest of the car set is 60's, I'd say its unsporting to allow or use it  :angel: It'll probably have better brakes and better tyres for starters.  :-\  But not tried it, and not my call.  :-*
I looked long & hard at the Alfa Jnr WB at the last race (Keimola) but in the end my Escort time had the edge.
IIRC it has vastly better tyres than the normal Alfa Jnr & I'm sure it's slightly better off in terms of either weight or power :-\

I would say that if you can go quicker in it than my F250's 1:00.7 than it should be banned! ;D


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: phspok on June 20, 2013, 01:57:43 PM +0100
I wil try the cars tonight, but..... I am extremely unlikely to ban anything on the day of the race, unless
it has a clear advantage over everything else.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Legzy on June 20, 2013, 02:38:51 PM +0100
The original Jnr is 5kg lighter & has '69 tyres.
The WB obviously carries 5kg more weight but has '72 tyres.

So hopefully no too much difference.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Clive Loynes on June 20, 2013, 02:52:54 PM +0100
I had a go in both last night and found a difference of 0.1 seconds.   ::)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: phspok on June 20, 2013, 03:09:49 PM +0100
Thanks Guys, that's enough to leave well alone.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Magic43 on June 20, 2013, 04:49:40 PM +0100
Thx a lot Clive got it  :)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: phspok on June 20, 2013, 06:55:39 PM +0100
Still at work, will be a bit late restarting server, unless someone wants to jump in and do the honours.

ta
Matt.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: SpecialKS on June 20, 2013, 08:55:48 PM +0100
Could have been a nice one - like this track, a great turnout again and great times on top!

But in lap five I came on the green and found a small spot which ended in nirvana  :(


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: LesN on June 20, 2013, 09:04:27 PM +0100
I got disqualified! That's never happened before! I was going okay there I thought; I'd managed to avoid most of the first lap chaos, made one good overtake, got to about three laps, then got booted for ignoring a stop go penalty which I never saw. Can anyone enlighten me?


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Legzy on June 20, 2013, 09:12:17 PM +0100
With the practice time I put in, I found myself about 4th on the grid (way higher than normal & chuffed).
Lap1 Turn 1 & I'm pushed round from behind, hit the wall & some more bumping. No cars showing any kind of caution, causing more contact & others to spin. So there I am with suspension & aero damage having lost about 6 places :no:
So from there the back end was a bit more wobbly & rears running hotter but I was still able to clock up some good times, even managed a 1:00.5 to beat my pre-race time so it's all good at this point as I'm making my way back up the order slowly.

Well it was till a certain white Alfa changes his direction 3 times approaching & then entering the braking zone to T1 to stop me passing (with ease). The result is I spin trying to avoid him & that's it my rear tyres are cooked (as he disappears off into the distance >:() and after another half a lap I call time after another spin.

Thanks chaps, really appreciate the pounding I took out there. Think I must have been hit by about 7 different drivers over just 14 laps! Well worth practicing for.

Are we really trying to turn the once clean, gentleman drivers UKPnG into wreckers central :censored:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Mark J on June 20, 2013, 09:41:43 PM +0100
For sale:-  One very beat up Ferrari 250GT  :surrender: but the old girl got me home in 9th despite steering damage and plenty of missing body parts  ;D

That was a tough long race, felt more like an hour than 40minutes! :sweatdrop:

Couldn't string a good lap together through most of qually and was languishing down in 15th until about my last 3 runs of the sesh which clawed me back up to a more respectable 9th.
Race start was hard as don't think anyone from 7th on could see any lights  ??? Then I got assaulted from behind by an Alfa that thought it could smash its way past me  ::) Got past the chaos at T1/T2 only to then get spat off a kerb at T3 into the path of Legzy and another  :scared: sorry about that chaps, :-[ lost both my headlights in a fezza kiss with Legz and many places  :'(
Made some recovery passes only to get punted off from behind by another Alfa  ::) got more damage and lost time.
Rest of the race went well once I got clear track and I pursued Nik for a long time, closing him down to a few secs when he quit.
Straight after that it went pear shaped again as I let John (race leader) past but then had tons more power than him up the hill. In my quandary whether to overtake or sit behind him, I followed him into the Alfas devishly short braking zone...no good in the fezza! and I spanked the tyre wall hard at T1  :'(
Lost my hard earned 9th place to Ross? in his chasing Alpine and about 20 seconds with a now damaged suspension car.
Last 8 laps were hard work and finished a decidedly average 9th place. Not too bad considering the escapades, contact and quick drivers about.  :)

Apologies and thanks to all the backmarkers who moved over. I couldn't thank you with a courtesy flash as my headlights were laying in the sand somewhere  ;D
Well done to the podium and all who finshed a tough race.  :thumbup1:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Animal Ed on June 20, 2013, 09:43:18 PM +0100
First of all - big apology for first lap!

My PC was frozen for couple of seconds (first image after that was me pushing ferrari) and complete first lap was so laggy. After another mayhem created by me in last corner I was seriously thinking of quiting but then everything start to work fine ... until lap nr39 when I, finally had disco.

Two more apologies to Mark J (missing braking point) and frex (if you are abut to lap me, use your lights please - didn`t see blue flag) and I really hope that this is last time for me being so apologetic ...


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Clive Loynes on June 20, 2013, 09:44:46 PM +0100
With the practice time I put in, I found myself about 4th on the grid (way higher than normal & chuffed).
Lap1 Turn 1 & I'm pushed round from behind, hit the wall & some more bumping. No cars showing any kind of caution, causing more contact & others to spin. So there I am with suspension & aero damage having lost about 6 places :no:


Well look on the bright side, it just gave me a good laugh when I watched the replay.   ;D  It was your team mate.   :lol:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Clive Loynes on June 20, 2013, 09:48:47 PM +0100
I got disqualified! That's never happened before! I was going okay there I thought; I'd managed to avoid most of the first lap chaos, made one good overtake, got to about three laps, then got booted for ignoring a stop go penalty which I never saw. Can anyone enlighten me?

Haven't a clue what the black flag was for but it lurks behind the semi-tranparent DX clipboard.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Legzy on June 20, 2013, 09:53:08 PM +0100
Well look on the bright side, it just gave me a good laugh when I watched the replay.
Thanks Clive, knowing my pain is causing you amusment has just put a smile back on my boat race! :laugh:

First of all - big apology for first lap!
OK mate :winkiss:

Managed 5th fastest lap in qually, 5th fastest lap in race. Quite pleased with that at least :)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Mogget on June 20, 2013, 09:55:49 PM +0100
Les,

That sounds like you jumped the start. Not surprising, considering that most of the grid couldn't see the start lights!

I posted a 1:01.055 in qualifying, and then was diconnected with about 7 minutes to go. Amazingly, my first lap out after I returned was exactly the same time! I ended up P9 on the grid, but lost a couple of places at the start because I couldn't see the start lights. However, there was a bit of a "scuffle" through the next couple of corners, which elevated me back up to P7. I spent the next few laps slowly closing the gap to Clive's Corvette, and then spent the rest of the race about two seconds behind him.

I was rather pleased to finish P5 in this race. The Mustang was not an easy drive at this track, but I seemed to get into some kind of rhythm early on, and stayed there. Maybe I was hypnotised by staring at Clive's arse for half an hour?  :blink:  :lol:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Legzy on June 20, 2013, 09:58:37 PM +0100
That sounds like you jumped the start. Not surprising, considering that most of the grid couldn't see the start lights!
Pretty sure everyone can see start lights here, you just need to know where to look. From out 10th back you need to look at the extra lights on the right of the track. Found this out when doing some offline practise races. :thumbup1:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Mogget on June 20, 2013, 10:01:04 PM +0100
I was on the left side of the track, so I suspect that those lights were hidden behind another car.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: LesN on June 20, 2013, 10:10:45 PM +0100
That was it then. My wheel was misaligned going out to the grid and the car nudged forward as it righted itself. I rolled back a bit, but i suppose it makes no difference. Ah well...


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Ross Hawkey on June 20, 2013, 10:15:42 PM +0100
First of all - big apology for first lap! My PC was frozen for couple of seconds
Ah, that might explain the stationary Corvette just after the downhill right/left at the start  :o , certainly gave me a shock.  I managed to move to the left onto the grass, but ended up getting a bit of damage from the barrier on the inside. My sudden slowing may have scared a few behind me too!

Lost a load of places, and found myself from P8, down in 12th or 13th, behind Syd in his Alfa, and lapping slower than I'd like really, but I couldn't get by, even though I felt I was a lot quicker.  I soon had Mark in his Ferrari closing on me, and he flew by, only to lose ground again as per his post.  Mark got by again soon after, only to hit trouble later in the race.

Eventually I got by Syd, and was then running 1.5 to 2 secs per lap quicker, but was sadly well behind the guys ahead.  Gradually closed on a few, and got lucky from other experiencing issues, and ended up in P7.  1 place higher than I'd qualified, so that was ok.  Although my best lap time was quicker than the 3 cars ahead of me, so it was an opportunity lost there.

Odd trouble joining too.  Weird really.  I'd been on earlier in the evening with 3 or 4 others, but joining later on the evening, kept getting CTD.  Ended up adjusting to another resolution to get it to run, though I'd used the other rez @ Keimola last week...odd  :wacko: .


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Alessandro Tancioni on June 20, 2013, 10:30:34 PM +0100
bad luck for me tonight
connection problems.
i can't transalte the word "sto rosicando" just because i dont know how to translate! ;D
cu next track


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: phspok on June 20, 2013, 10:35:48 PM +0100
REsults and Replay Posted

Was late getting home, and had only qual to get somesort of setup, had not turned a wheel before and I suffered for it.
Had some fun chasing down Rolf a couple of times after my many spins  ;D

according to Google translator "sto rosicando" means "I'm gnawing"  I guess that would be... :taz:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Alex vV on June 20, 2013, 10:49:34 PM +0100

Unofficial LapChart (http://www.justanotherpage.nl/Srou/PnG/GTR2_05knockhill_2013_6_20_20_44/)

My, my, the first laps were a bit hectic, weren't they? Looked more like Playstation3 racing game.
Certainly deserved my 'I survived a 21 car race at KnockHill and all I got was this lousy t-shirt' t-shirt.

Start was a bit sudden and spotted the starting lights at the right too late. Part reason for the first lap chaos I guess..


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: johnw on June 20, 2013, 10:51:11 PM +0100
Sorry for not flashing to say thank you to those people that let me past - I had no lights left after a collision early in the race, and was driving a decidedly wonky car! Lucky for me that Frex was behind Geoffers for most of it, otherwise he'd probably have taken 1st prize.

Straight after that it went pear shaped again as I let John (race leader) past but then had tons more power than him up the hill. In my quandary whether to overtake or sit behind him, I followed him into the Alfas devishly short braking zone...no good in the fezza! and I spanked the tyre wall hard at T1 if

If it's any consolation, it was painful watching you have to pull in and sit behind me up the hill (thanks though :thumbup1:). I was hoping you wouldn't get sucked into my braking zone :(



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Animal Ed on June 21, 2013, 08:30:57 AM +0100
Seems that latest catalyst driver for graphic card caused problem with notably higher gpu temperatures and, most likely, overheating ... this morning went back to 13.2 and gpu is much cooler with same settings.

OK mate :winkiss:

Managed 5th fastest lap in qually, 5th fastest lap in race. Quite pleased with that at least :)

Not much consolation for me as I have fastest lap in qualy and in race - with bent steering and climbing from dead last to 7th before disco.

And we both had problem with white Alfa and our Italian friend who spin me and didn`t wait. Not sure was he slow down (probably yes) so no, I will not report that incident ... 


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: frex on June 21, 2013, 11:20:16 AM +0100
Two more apologies to Mark J (missing braking point) and frex (if you are abut to lap me, use your lights please - didn`t see blue flag)

Yes, i wasn't quite sure of the correct lapping etiquette here and whether to use lights or not (couldn't see anything about it in the rules). I prefer not to if possible, and everyone else i lapped was aware of my presence and moved over without me needing to use them.

Do you use name tags (tab key)? It's very useful for knowing who is coming up behind and whether you should be fighting them for position or not.

Anyway, it's no problem. Sorry that you had your own issues in the race.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Animal Ed on June 21, 2013, 11:42:16 AM +0100
...
Do use use name tags (tab key)? It's very useful for knowing who is coming up behind and whether you should be fighting them for position or not.

Anyway, it's no problem. Sorry that you had your own issues in the race.

No, no name tags because it distracts me, actually I use xd (option to have race standings list with gaps) only for training and qualy. For race i have minimal hud only ... i really hope that this was our first and last situation with laping each other  :yes:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: phspok on June 21, 2013, 12:16:10 PM +0100
There are no "rules" about lapping, other than a guide that says the guy being lapped should stick
to his line but not obstruct the lapper. Personally I use XD for the gaps and mostly it is obvious
whether the guy catching up is for a place or about to lap me. Headlights are appreciated by some
as well. I have seen people use headlights from the start, possibly because they feel more
"important" somehow, trouble with doing that is that when someone is behind with lights on
you don't easily know whether they are actually lapping or just trying to scare you  :o
 I would reccommend XD and name tags as a guide, but you deal with it as you like, if there are incidents
because of confusion when not using some aid, then expect to be sent to Siberia for your sins  :whistling:

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.msg65154#msg65154

There was some poor "spatial awareness" last night, particularly at the start, it was a tight track with
21 cars so there is bound to be some rubbing of doors, but it would be nice if people were a bit
less desparate to get in front into T1  :eek:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Clive Loynes on June 21, 2013, 12:38:56 PM +0100
On a slightly different tack:-

What part of DO NOT USE CHAT IN RACE OR QUALIFYING is so damn difficult to grasp?

For the record, this includes things like "sorry" "sry" "thanks" "LOL" "Pass on the left" etc. etc.


BTW  I found that I just had to stick my lights on and leave them on because there were so many cars to lap, some of which seemed not to know where the track was, let alone any other cars!  Thanks to the Alpine who vanished in front of me after planting himself across the track.   ;D  He obviously knew that I was there.

Think there was a Ferrari doing something strange and an Alfa sauntering down the middle of the track too; all whilst I had Mogget breathing down my neck.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Mogget on June 21, 2013, 01:09:35 PM +0100
Sorry for my "chat" in qualifying, but I just wanted to know if the fuel was accurate or not. Yes, I could have done this prior to the qualifying session, but I only just remembered that there was a race on 15 minutes before qualifying started! I remembered not to use any messages when lapping others during the race, but the fact that I have headlights mapped to my "H" key prevented me from using them. Not that it mattered, since everyone that I lapped seemed to be aware of the situation, and nobody caused me any problems.

I would like to suggest (as I have done many times in the past) that headlights are switched OFF during a daylight race. There is no need to have them on whatsoever, so I fail to see why they need to be on when the race starts.

Oh, and a final note to Walter.......you don't need to be THAT generous when being lapped!! ;)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Animal Ed on June 21, 2013, 02:16:12 PM +0100
I was not thinking about having lights on rather than one short flash ... Ross was close also in Alpine so I mixed up "who is who" ... despite frex says that we have no problem, seeing that he finished only 3 sec behind John could mean that he was able to give him late "run for the money" ... and he spend almost 2 laps behind me just when my front tires start to play funny things with me and my pace dropped ... that short flash solved situation when, finally, frex did that.

OK, I`m packing for Siberia ...  :laugh:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: phspok on June 21, 2013, 02:28:31 PM +0100
OK, collect your bus ticket from Legzy  ;D


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: frex on June 21, 2013, 02:40:03 PM +0100
despite frex says that we have no problem, seeing that he finished only 3 sec behind John could mean that he was able to give him late "run for the money"

Nah, John was just managing the gap i'm sure, plus he slowed down a lot on the final lap. No need to leave for Siberia..  ;)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: johnw on June 21, 2013, 02:50:58 PM +0100
despite frex says that we have no problem, seeing that he finished only 3 sec behind John could mean that he was able to give him late "run for the money"

Nah, John was just managing the gap i'm sure, plus he slowed down a lot on the final lap. No need to leave for Siberia..  ;)

I was stuck behind someone for most of the last lap :( A little assistance in getting past would have been much appreciated, but I don't think he realised I was trying to lap him and I couldn't flash my lights because they were broken. I thought I'd be better just waiting for the finish line than try a risky pass with a car that was suffering with bent suspension, could have been different if Frex was any closer though.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: johnw on June 21, 2013, 02:59:35 PM +0100
Everyone else let me through nicely through, so thanks to those guys :thumbup1:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Syd Drake on June 21, 2013, 03:09:39 PM +0100
That was me John. I use XD and saw that there was nobody just behind you and just one lap to go. I didn't want to lose another lap, so I didn't move out of the way, and you didn't push the issue. If you tried to overtake, I wouldn't  have contested.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Mark J on June 21, 2013, 03:14:39 PM +0100
i second what Mogget said, Walter (or any other backmarker), very nice of you as it is, you really do not need to take to the grass to let lapping cars by. Just keep it steady, ease off the throttle, and let faster cars pass on the sensible bits of track. I felt almost embarassed when you threw yourself off the track each time i caught you.   :)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Magic43 on June 21, 2013, 03:17:33 PM +0100
Hope it was all ok for you phspok? I have tried to hold my pos for awhile but you are to fast for me :-) Btw i use the XD but it covered my mirror. Can i displace it? I use always cockpit view, therefore is the mirror important for me. Thx  :)



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Animal Ed on June 21, 2013, 04:33:25 PM +0100
Hope it was all ok for you phspok? I have tried to hold my pos for awhile but you are to fast for me :-) Btw i use the XD but it covered my mirror. Can i displace it? I use always cockpit view, therefore is the mirror important for me. Thx  :)

I`ll tell you when i get back from Siberia.   :tank:

Joke aside, it is posible under xd.ini file. You can change position (values is in pixels on x and y axis) for any displayed hud also hide what you find as no need ...


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Mogget on June 21, 2013, 04:39:21 PM +0100
I have just noticed that the WSL Racing Team has only been awarded Walter's points. Now, I was invited to join this team, but unfortunately it never seemed to work properly. Can someone add me manually? It would be nice if my points could be added to Walter's, since he asked me a couple of weeks ago....


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: johnw on June 21, 2013, 11:10:26 PM +0100
That was me John. I use XD and saw that there was nobody just behind you and just one lap to go. I didn't want to lose another lap, so I didn't move out of the way, and you didn't push the issue. If you tried to overtake, I wouldn't  have contested.

Ah, that makes sense. I didn't think of that at the time.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Geoffers on June 22, 2013, 12:03:39 AM +0100
Once again another really enjoyable event with a good selection of cars. Went with the Corvette as it was one that I hadn't driven seriously before, turned out to be quite competitive!  ;)

Got a lousy start, too much right foot  ::), & was rather lucky to be 2nd at T1. John had already disappeared into the distance by then so I settled into 'conserve the car' mode as there was no way I could match his pace. Frex kept me honest for the first half of the race until I made a mess of the chicane & let him past. Probably could have retaken 2nd on the straights but Frex was quicker by this stage of the race so there was no point in hindering a fellow Kerbie. Just kept it on the black stuff the rest of the race & was very happy with 3rd place.

Congrats to John & Frex, cya next week.  :thumbup2:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Clive Loynes on June 22, 2013, 07:14:55 AM +0100
I have just noticed that the WSL Racing Team has only been awarded Walter's points. Now, I was invited to join this team, but unfortunately it never seemed to work properly. Can someone add me manually? It would be nice if my points could be added to Walter's, since he asked me a couple of weeks ago....

Have you accepted the invitation?

If you messed up that invitation, you could always ask Walter to withdraw it and then issue another.

SBRC are pleased to announce that Rolf was able to master the devilishly tricky team joining process and is now a fully fledged member of the best team in SROUK!  ;D

Welcome Rolf   :jumpjoy:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Mogget on June 22, 2013, 08:10:45 AM +0100
That's the problem, Clive. I tried accepting the invitation at least three times, and every time it directed me to join the SBRC team!!


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Clive Loynes on June 22, 2013, 09:24:33 AM +0100
That's the problem, Clive. I tried accepting the invitation at least three times, and every time it directed me to join the SBRC team!!

LOL

Ah, my little software mod worked then.

I think you must be responding to the invitation that I sent but I can't speak from authority because I have never received or accepted an invitation so I don't know what the process is.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: frex on June 22, 2013, 10:15:53 AM +0100
I got the same invite and was also unable to accept or reject the offer, so seems something somewhere in the system is not working. Would have been happy to join you Walter btw, but am already in KC.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Clive Loynes on June 22, 2013, 10:35:10 AM +0100
Since it worked this week for Rolf I suspect that there was something amis with the way the invitations were issued.

System is working fine.

PS

@Frex   Yes, I hadn't noticed that you had joined that lot!  Don't expect that much room next time we both want the same corner.  ;D


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: frex on June 22, 2013, 12:06:54 PM +0100
Since it worked this week for Rolf I suspect that there was something amis with the way the invitations were issued.

System is working fine.

Ok.

@Frex   Yes, I hadn't noticed that you had joined that lot!  Don't expect that much room next time we both want the same corner.  ;D

Challenge accepted!  :fencing:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Legzy on June 22, 2013, 01:48:25 PM +0100
That's the problem, Clive. I tried accepting the invitation at least three times, and every time it directed me to join the SBRC team!!
Try rejecting the offer.
Maybe if you never rejected Clives advances (just deleted or ignored in disgust :angel:), the system is still waiting for your answer to that before it moves on.
Then you could try again & see if the invite takes you to decent team :-\ (@Clive :P)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Mogget on June 22, 2013, 05:54:53 PM +0100
I would need the offer to be sent again to do that. Like you said, I ignored the original offer in disgust :lol:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Mogget on June 23, 2013, 01:19:09 PM +0100
It looks like I have now successfully joined the WSL Racing Team :yes:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup - Knockhill - Jun 20
Post by: Walter Conn on June 24, 2013, 09:26:32 PM +0100
Thanks Mark J., I appreciate the advice. I was pretty far behind my next rival; so it didn't hurt my race any. I did try a few different strategies for letting a faster car lap me. I have read that running wide in a corner and letting a faster car pass on the inside is the best option. But I agree that I lost too much time going off-road.

The race was an uphill battle for me. I had limited practice, and just wanted to improve my pace during the race. I became distracted after the half-way point (real life), and unfortunately I could not keep it on the pavement. I'll try to redeem myself in the next round.  ;)

Welcome to the WSL Racing Team Mogget! The team is open to anyone interested. Only two people can score points for a team each race. I started the team because a number of people from the Tuesday league are also racing here on Thursdays. If anyone is interested in joining the WSL Racing Team, just send me a message, and I'll give you an invitation.

Thanks, W.C.