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THIS POST IS FOR THE LIGHT & HEAVY RACES

Round IX of the Formula 2 Trophy is the seasons last visit to North America with a race at Mosport in Canada. It’s a Papy original so little else to be said.

The series will run on two separate grids ~ The Lights will run on T7 & the Heavys on UKGPL 3. Please ensure you join the correct race. The Driver list is shown below & the Championship Table can be found here F2 Trophy  (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=389&theme=6)

Handicaps will apply – please observe this rule as a failure to take the correct car will result in an exclusion.
In the Lights Hristo – Group II (BT14, Ferrari or Cooper). Dean Logan & Evil Clive Group III – any of the Group II cars or either Lola or either Lotus.
In the Heavys – Rainier – Group II, RogUk & Dave Curtis – Group III.  

A maximum of one reset is allowed per race & must be followed by a compulsory Stop & Go in the pit lane within two laps of the Reset. If you Reset on the last lap a 30 second time penalty will be awarded.
Incidents should be reported in the usual way.

In line with other divisions the races will be subject to full moderation in the red zone which will be to the exit of “Moss” ( a favoured place for incidents so please take care) . The Moderator may chose to investigate any other incident, in addition to reported incidents & red zone incidents.

Please note that for UKGPL has introduced a system of penalties within each series for drivers accumulating yellow cards – see here
Penalty Points (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=10879.0). Drivers incurring these penalties will receive a PM advising when a penalty has been applied & what race it should served.

LIGHT	HEAVY
Arf Arf	Badblood
Cookie	Bernie
Evil Clive	Billy Nobtrakes
Fulvio	Bilto
Hristo	Dave Curtis
King Hiro	Geoff
Magic Arisoulle	Giovanni
Natan	Il Lupo
Phil Thornton
Bartosz	Nigel Smith
Raoni Frizzo	Paul Villers
Ronnie Peterson	Rainier
FMG	Boggy
Skymole	Francesco
Al Hellar	Pierre D
Doni Yourth	Vosblod
Dean Logan	Adam Cooper
Dean 0	Ed76
Robert John	Tin Tin
Uli	Du Fossa
Jonny O	RogUK
	Maddog

Race List = IGOR Server = UKGPL3 & T7 Race date = Sunday 26-05-2013 Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT) Track = Papyrus oringinal Race length = 28 Laps Variant = 1967 Formula 2 Damage Model = Intermediate Qualifying time = minimum of 30 minutes

Ah,  so I can still take the dear little lo-la.  Great! 

wont be around for this , plan to be away sailing around bonnie scotland for the next week or three weather permitting   :)

Hope the weather improves for Bernie - it might not be Kiltworthy.  I think everyone in Britain, is aware of the horrible weather we've been having this year.  It seems to have somehow shrunk a Canadian track, on my computer.  I've been and beaten the Ukgpl F2 track record, using the dry version of Mosport Rain.  On closer examination, there is one detail that's different - the previous record came from a detuned 67 F1.  Those Trainer physics were the best we had, until Modder's magic set the record straight.  For old times sake, I think everyone should experience the old, F2 Training mode one more time, for this race.  I'll suffer the new improved reality, and hope to see all you Heavies at the finish line. :P

Yeah, the original F2 trainers were quite good fun to race with, I've had a couple of proper league-like races with them myself in the past and it was always good close racing. I remember some Monza battles where lap time differences between 5-6 people at the front were just 1-2 tenths, so good close racing.

Bon Voyage mate, mind you keep it wet-side down eh.....Enjoy!! :thumbup2:

T7 server is set for 28 laps Long race and listening on Igor in Consolle session with OpenGL-V2
Ciao

..technically, any bit that is in the water will be wet, be it the keel or the top of the mast  ;D
I'm sure he knows what you mean though.....

Anyway, very frustrating night. Joined with about 35 mins of qually to go, and had warp, latency drag, you name it. No way I could race like that. So rebooted PC, and modem, and came back in. Took best part of 15-20 mins, but when I cam back in things were fine, and I managed c. 8 laps of qually with no issues.

Started the race in formation, and everyone was behaving. However, as we came round the second last corner I saw my latency bar go crazy, and everyone around me disappear. Sadly for Al he reappeared just in the right place to get t-boned by me. Really sorry Al, have already got a copy of my incident ready to submit to the mods to show what happened.

I assumed that was me destined to another evening lapping alone, but twas not to be. Ended up having lots of laps right in the middle of it trying to chase down people, whilst I was hunted down myself. Had a long close battle with Jonny, but only after some total carnage on lap 9 involving 6 cars.. It looks like H and Ronnie had an incident ahead of a pack of me, Al, Fulvio and (a) Dean. Ronnie was coming back onto the track just as we all came down the hill towards the hairpin and everyone except (the) Dean was wiped out. I almost avoided it all by taking the grass, but Fulvio and Ronnie span round and into me.

So, after a shift+R and a trip to the pits I was backj out and into the fight with Jonny, which seemed to last until his engine expired(?) and that was it. I was still ejoying a good fight with a few people when my engine popped, and that was it for me...

You are a hard bunch!

Some pretty tight running initially,  then all seemed to be going ok (for me/from where I was sitting anyway)  until POP! about half distance.  Probably explains what that high pitched whining noise had been up until that point :)


It was all getting rather frantic at the last stages of the race.   I was catching up from some way back & could see about 3 places potentially for grabs.  Of course,  there is the matter of catching & passing - as well as staying there of course!

Was not to be in the end,  but certainly enjoyable.  Congrats to DR - well away up the front there.

Cheers,
Dave.

Shunji Asunaru

I usually miss the practices and my start
... This time I passed the practices, beating my pb of 0.1 s and have the pole .

Fairly quickly I became 3rd behind Roguk I could run a little faster but I could not find a place to hang properly.
I followed the advice of  Sawaki Sensei "When the wise is not the way, it takes patience"
So I put in the lotus position and I meditated.
Even the return of Dave Curtis was unable to turn away from the teachings of my Zen Master .

Unfortunately when Roguk is off the track, Dave Rainier had 20s advance and Sawaki Sensei has provided nothing in such a case .

Not so much fun tonight. I seem to be the GPL warp-magnet lately Arf :-\ though I'm sure I saw Phil disappearing a couple of times later too? Well anyway that warp incident accounted for lap 1... then on lap 2, I came over the brow of 5a/Moss to find Fulvio doing a spin-turn in the middle of the track... wiped out twice in 2 laps :hammer: Then a few laps later battling with Dean, we came over the hill at T4 gunning it two-abreast just as Ronnie was slowly rejoining after an earlier incident. To make matters worse, Dean's car was shielding my view of Ronnie as we crested the hill, so it was only when Dean suddenly darted to the outside (impressive reactions by the way) that Ronnie's car was unveiled right in my path. As Arf said, I think Dean was the only one to escape the mayhem unscathed. Well done to Tris & the podium.  

Appalling driving from some people in the mid-field, especially Ronnie. It just reinforces my view that he is simply unable to race other people in a constructive manner. Anyway, managed to recover up to 3rd, but an off and then fuel-saving mode meant I had to settle for 4th.

Grats to Tristan, Evil and Natan!

Grats to Tristan on a clear win.

I was stunned when I joined qually a little late to see the times at the front of the grid. I usually try and qually on race fuel, but the difference between 1st and 10th on the grid was only about 1 .5 secs.....dammed close!!! So I dumped the fuel and went for a banzai lap with about 5mins to go because 10th on the grid would mean a hard race and a good chance of getting involved in some hassle at Moss in the early laps  :-\ :-\
Luckily I hooked up a reasonably clean lap and squeezed up to 3rd spot for the start.

I knew that Hristo and Tris would set a cracking pace and I needed to be with them, so I did not want anyone leapfrogging me off the grid  ;) and there were a couple of fast cars behind me!!!
The plan worked and I was tucked nicely into 3rd as we completed lap1,  until I overdid the turn in to Moss and bounced over the kerb losing precious momentum and losing touch with Hristo and Tristan.

The next few laps were on the edge as I chased the leaders. I closed in slightly and then Hristo looked like he bottomed out in the dip and tested the armco... I was through into 2nd, but Tristan had a good 200mtrs lead!!

Slowly I reeled Tristan in until I was almost within slipstream range when we reached half distance. I always do a quick check on my fuel level at half distance ( the maths is easy at that point!! lol) and I got a shock!!  I thought I had put an extra couple of galls of fuel in at the start, but now I had less than half my fuel left and still half a race to run!!
So, I had to let Tristan go and concentrate on saving gas and short shifting, but still keep the pace fast to prevent anyone catching me, because I would not be able to put up a fight.
It seems that those behind were involved in their own battles and it allowed me to cruise to the finish and claim a lucky 2nd spot. Hristo has only to finish at Nurby to win this championship, but ....until the fat lady sings???   Who let Mabel Glutbucket back in here!!????!!!

Just for anyone else's info...It seems that the Lola BMW is pretty good on fuel consumption and on a par with the FVA's until you start to really push that BMW engine close to max revs for long periods. Then it really sucks up the fuel. I reckon that in this race, I would have been OK for gas if I had had the use of someone's slipstream for maybe half the race as I had expected. But because I was on my own and really pushing hard trying to catch Tristan and using revs at the top end in each gear, my consumption was 10%-15% increased.

Sry for the spin ahead of you Al, but it was induced by another car out of control, Axel maybe?
A very disapponting race for me in one of my fav track ever since my F2 Advanced trainer times. After a pretty nice start where I climbed some spots, I had to restart at the back after my spin induced at Moss. Later I was involved in the big pile up at T4 and spent my jolly at pit. Restarted a bit nervous and soon touched rail at Moss damaging rear susp. I did a ton of spin with a bad oversteering car and almost decided to retire in frustration, but then learned how to keep the car in the right direction and finished the race 2 laps down and gained a couple of places for other misfortune.
Ciao

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Please , I beg you, report the incident. Who knows, while I think you just got it wrong and punted me off track after having just got it wrong with Dean-O and punted him off track, the mods might think whatever your thinking? As a rule I just don't report this kind of thing myself but feel free to indulge yourself if you feel aggrieved.

The aftermath is different. I tried to rejoin the track as slowly and tightly to one side as I could but I was downhill and out of sight of anything coming over the brow next. At the time I did not see anyone coming and I'm sure you did not expect me to be there. Yes there was a yellow flag in view to warn you, having watched the replay, but you still did not know what was over the hill. While I think it was an unfortunate rejoin as opposed to a bad rejoin, I do feel partly responsible for the trouble I caused the following cars. No problem from me if any of you want to report this. Regardless sorry.

Grats to the podium.

I reported both, don't worry. Your arrogance and ignorance are incredible if you still believe you did nothing wrong in that situation.  ::)

What you did to me was exactly what Chilton did to Maldonado in the Monaco GP:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUd83lpZa2Q

Congrats to Tristan, Evil, and Natan    

Some laps with Dean-O and Martin on Sat night and a quick run on the practice server had me feeling pretty good about the handling of the Mclaren. Considering my absence from the majority of the season I decided not to try a hot lap in qualifying. I was behind Fulvio and Axel on lap 2 and managed to get it wrong and half spin in the dirt. Ronnie came along and hit me just right to straighten the car out. A lap or two later Axel ticked the curb at 5a and I swung wide to avoid his car. Ronnie was closer than I thought and when I rejoined @Moss we clashed wheels a bit. Luckily no damage to either and I set off after RP and Axel. Their pace was good and my plan of leaving some space to the car ahead was made easier.    ;)   Things became very interesting when Dean-O and Hristo re-joined the track and the results left me with a nice gap behind. Now I had Dean-O pressuring Axel ahead of me and my telepathy paid off when they touched @turn 8. With some clean air ahead I upped my pace a bit in hopes of catching Natan. My concentration was quickly averted to a new and unwanted threat out of nowhere. Who is this in the green car behind? The next lap my pitboard gives me the news that it's indeed Hristo. My efforts to go faster were in vain and only led to erratic driving. It didn't take long for H to disappear and my only concern was to keep the position I was in. I tried to set a clean lap towards the end and on the last lap I can see a car going slower ahead. Turns out to be H sputtering home in the Cooper. One litre of fuel was all that hindered my quest of beating Hristo fair and square in a race before I croak.    ;D ;D

Thanks for the race gentlemen.

Peace
RJ

I didn't realize you finished so close behind! I guess I was very lucky!  ;D

First :

Grats to the leaders :

My race started badly as N. Vix got the jump on me at the start ,that lead to a multi lap battle for me ,which was fun  ;D

Later on i found myself behind Cookie,after struggling to find a place for a pass for many laps ,we came together at the entry to the fast right hander ,Sry about that one , i thought you knew i had made a move for the inside ? i dunno.

Luckily no reset's were taken in all the mayhem  :D

Dean_0

I guess congrats to JonnyO  for scoring 11 points in the Lights & 17 points in the heavy event,  despite not taking the start... :)

[Unlucky Billy - looks like you miss out by a couple of points come the end of the season!]


Cheers,
Dave.

Corected that one Dave... ;)

Moderation published.

Thanks for the mod Billy and your appreciation and understanding of what a yellow flag means. Hopefully others, who can count themselves lucky for not being penalised, will be less quick to condemn others in future.

Gotta disagree with that. ;)

I laughed so much some wee came out :angel:

LOL, you should count yourself lucky for not being penalized. You caused a mass incident with your ridiculous rejoin in a blind spot on the ideal line. I rejoined outside the ideal line and didn't cause any problems. I find it rather odd that we're both getting the same verdict though, but whatever.


You're free to disagree and laugh, but until you point out how the driving was not appalling, it doesn't mean anything.

You’re right as always H. I disagree with your generalised “view” of a drivers ability, whom I have shared many a good race, based on the one incident and the onus is on me to “point out” why your "view" is erroneous.

You should read Law, as that is exactly how it’s done. A claim does not need to be proven it is of course for the respondent to prove the opposite.

UKGPL would be so boring with out you  ;D

It's not exactly a generalized view. It's a continuous experience with the same driver, whom I have shared and/or witnessed mostly dangerous situations and needless accidents. When it keeps on happening over and over again, it just pokes you in the eye.

You take it all far too seriously mate. Rather than taking a win as a positive you take not winning as a failure, as a negative. Think of some of these poor buggers who don’t win from one season to the next. I make as many mistakes and crash as much as anyone else and almost always because of (but necessarily the fault of) someone else and who cares, I ranted once and later apologised, you rant every time you don’t win. This is, after all, a game meant for fun. Some of your post are not a debate but are borderline abuse. Maybe a break will do you and your blood pressure some good. :cursing:

Chill mate ;D

It's not about winning or losing. It's about respect on the track. When someone does things where he puts others in a situation that they either move out of the way or an accident happens, that's rather disrespectful and it ruins the fun. I'm not talking about the odd mistake now and then, everyone has those. I'm talking about one's principles when racing against others. Whether it's intentional or not, I can't say, but the outcome is obvious every time.

Our very presents here means we are not professional drivers. No one has an accident on purpose, nor is it personal, it's iffy judgement which does happen all too often. We all have, and are subject to, a Grosjean moment. The winner is he who has less and deals with others better. It is one of the measures, its not all lap time. If you are being subject to others brain fade more than anyone else, then the lowest common denominator is you. :o

You still don't get it. I didn't say I'm involved in more incidents than anyone else. I'm being a witness of incidents most of the time and many of those incidents almost always involve the same subjects. And if you were to watch those situations, it just becomes clear the incidents are usually very easily avoidable if some leave enough room and stick to their lines, or do not dive bomb into corners. You're just being a philosopher here and speaking theoretically while my discussion was about something specific that I personally witness on a regular basis, in all the divisions I race.

So you get grosjean’d as much as every one else (yes I did use his name as a verb, poor bugger, if only he knew) and you appreciate the every one else is doing the best job they can, what are you trying to achieve with your post race verses? It has been scientifically proven that telling someone they are a crap driver does very little for their race craft. :D

So let's all just keep quiet and keep suffering from drivers who think they can do whatever on the track without consequence, who think saying "sorry" (or nothing) is sufficient, instead of changing something in their approach? Not my thing, no. I'm saying it because I feel like it and that's more than enough reason for me. You should be worried about the quality of racing if it's deteriorating instead of improving, which is what I've been witnessing for the past couple of seasons.

That’s the moderator job to judge and hand out penalties. Those who balls it up are accountable. Do you think the moderators and/or penalties are too soft? Trying to raise the standards of judgement, race craft and car control throughout gpl by means of persistent and questionable post race statements is the wrong way to go about it.

On a serious note; I cannot wait to be in a race you moderate :hang:

My apologies Hristo for saying nothing to your various balanced comments throughout this post concerning the driving of myself or whoever you were refereeing to. I'm sorry my driving does not meet with your approval or high standards of behaviour on track. Honest, I'm really sorry.

I only hope I'm good enough to register for the Pro 65 championship again, if its run, as I am already worried about spending a lot of time in the headmasters office if I have to enter the Inters  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Hold on that looks like an incoming sense of humour failure missile heading my way, gotta run.

My standards are neither high or mine really. It's normal standards that maintain respect between drivers on the track and prevent accidents. You and some other people seem bent on simply driving the only way you know, and keep on apologizing without changing anything in your approach. If that's what you call high standard then your "normal" standard must be rather low.

Normal people don't have a problem apologising or accepting apologies unconditionally. Normal people don't have a problem admitting when they get something wrong.

Rest assured I have no concerns with my driving standards or respect for my fellow drivers. When incidents arise whether at fault or not, and they do for everybody, I remain happy to resolve them in chat, via the forum or the incident report system.

As for me and other people simply driving the way we know and not changing our approach? This almost sounds like you want us to drive more carefully or should I say slower, not get in the way, roll out the white flag when we see you coming? I cannot speak for the others but for me that would be a no.

I'm sure that is not what is meant at least I hope so. I infer from you comments that you feel there is some pre-meditation to an incident (or at least not to try to prevent one). Incidents are not pre-meditated or on purpose, no one wants to ruin their race or any one else’s. The thing that you don’t seem to consider, H, is that everyone drives to their ability, doing the best job they can, as fast as they can and it is not for you to affront others for not coming up to your standard. Even if your standard is normal and others low.

Gareth, you still don't get my point. I'm not telling people to become quicker. I'm telling them they're overdriving and going above their ability, in situations that are beyond their awareness, thus incidents occur. When you have someone in your blind spot, you can't just cross over to another line. When you're on the inside of someone going into a corner, you can't just brake later and hope the other driver gives you the whole road. Etc., etc. This has nothing to do with how good or bad you are in terms of pace, it's just knowing your limit, particularly when you're racing others. It's about respecting the kind of result a contact online usually leads to and do your best to avoid it, instead of causing it because of negligence or some twisted idea of "fun". It's not fun for those who suffer from it, who get their races ruined.

Well if you wern't so damn quick, and handsome you beast of a man you, people would not need to overdrive. :notworthy:

I shouldn't laugh Gareth... but I did ;)