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Season 25 Works Trophy, Round 1, Kyalami

Welcome to the premier division of the premier class in UKGPL for the start of our twenty fifth season.

South Africa, Kyalami. Classic track, long time home of formula 1 in the Southern hemisphere.

The original, sweeping circuit was in use from 1961 until political sanctions eliminated the Grand Prix after the 1985 race. A very quick circuit, it yielded some memorable races. Gilles Villeneuve outfoxed team mate and home driver Jody Scheckter in a wet/dry race in 1979, and Alain Prost raced from the back to win in 1982. By the time the circuit held its last Grand Prix in its original incarnation cars were lapping the track in 1m 02s – 20 seconds faster than in 1967, a lap time in the 1m 02s might not quite be obtainable.

As always, we will run Pro Damage, so resets are not allowed.

Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL_GPG
IP address = 62.195.2.111
Race date = 07-07-2013
Race Time = race starts at 21:30 UK time
Qualifying Time = Between 30 and 60 minutes, starting no later than 21:00 UK time
Track = Kyalami (Papy)
Variant = 67F1
Damage Model = PRO
Race length = 50 minutes (laps 34)
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Replays Available here (http://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/inc_replaysS25_js.aspx)

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=4016&theme=6)

The full time drivers can start to practice as soon as the server is available.  Reserve drivers can also join as soon as the server becomes available but must leave the server with 35 minutes of qualifying left, for a total of 5 minutes; this will allow any remaining full timers to join.  If there is enough space on the grid, the reserve drivers will be able to rejoin when there are 30 mins of qualifying left.  

Moderating The red zone will be fully moderated for lap 1 only. For this event the red zone will be the full lap. Other moderation will be on reported incidents only.  However any incidents that occur in the red zone that are not reported by the drivers will be reported by the moderator.  This will allow all affected drivers the opportunity to present their case before the incident is moderated.  This should ensure there are no surprises when the moderator's report is published and hence appeals will be less likely.  If you haven't received a PM about an incident before the link below the results table is removed, you can be sure that you will not appear in the moderator's report.

The chassis token system is explained on the Works (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=401&theme=6) standings page. Please ensure you choose a chassis that is within your budget, which can be seen by hovering the mouse over your points total in the standings.

Please restrict chat to pit messages including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

Password: see above (#post_event_password)

GPG server is set to 34 laps Long race.
Ciao

Thanks FP.

Too close behind Cookie when he lost it and came across the track and took my wheel off. It was a racing incident, but you were out of control, mate! So many corners you went round you nearly lost it, and you were braking hard in the middle of corners. I was lucky not to rear end you 2 or 3 times......

SORRY Arf,

This was my last race in this series! I have not enough experience with these beasts...

Nearing my Brab PB got me 3rd in qual, happy with that, race starts nice and clean yay, bit of an oops middle of lap 1 lost me a handful of spots but got some of them back, start chasing down an Eagle that's found his way up, track him down just apply pressure get big in his mirrors sometimes maybe he'll outbrake himself or try to carry too much speed through an apex or over-rev that fragile yet fast Eagle no worries for me there this brab is solid as a rock and coming out of Barbeque lap 10 or so I hear a "boom" and see a crankshaft go flying and think "ha now I got you" and looking for where he'll pull over so I can sweep by and continue my run to the podium in my very first Works race but then "gee, my engine's awful quiet of a sudden" and the slow dawning realization that it was MY engine that shat it's guts o'er the countryside fufufufufufufufufuf.........  :'(

Dave R. I just watched replay and saw our contact at esses at last but one lap. In the race I didn't feel anything, in fact in my replay there isn't contact, but we were close enough to risk a warp touch. Sorry.
I was punished last lap going wide T1 gifting third to Andy.
Great battles all around. :)
Ciao

C'mon Cookie, go Privateers...

But you know how to drive them, you just don't know how to do that without ShiftR. Works is the only place here, where you can gain that experience, so man up and stop complaining ;)

As for my race.

I've had great fun battling with Ronnie, Andy and Fulvio, but my tires were overheating so quickly that I just wasn't able to keep up with them. At least I've learned that Honda is one big stinky c$%p :D

I arrived late with only 12mins of quali left, so I opted for a nice safe Brab race setup and applied a few tweaks to gears etc.

Race started well even from 12th on grid?? and I picked up a place here and there as cars ran wide or missed braking points.

I was closing on an ex Waza mobile and a Brabham and was going to be set nicely for a tow on the straight ..I thought,  until the pair of them got all tangled in the Esses. Then I thought I might just tighten my line and squeeze through on the inside, but they had other ideas and between them removed a couple of my wheels!!! which I thought was a little underhand and only the first race of the season too!!!!

Ah well!! I was hot a sweaty anyway, so another 40mins of Kyalami would have got very uncomfortable, so I went for a shower instead!!

Grats to Sky, Baab and Andy for the podium places.

Hello Axel

I hope you will continue with the Works.

I think you are always overdriving, pushing your limits above 110%-120%... just try to do a full race at 100% and you will get nice final results.   

That's the race. But I think you took big risks for both of us, overtaking me in a place where it is quite impossible to overtake without accident.
I was really disappointed to lose 2 positions at only 2 laps before end of race ...but again, that's racing !

Grats to Sky for his first (right?) Works win!

Grats to Sky , Baab and Andy.

Blown engine/clutch ended my race in the BRM but had some good racing with Pod, Andy and Dave, thanks guys.

Hung around to watch a bit of the racing and was actually watching Andy, Fulvio and Dave as they scrapped. From my view Dave, and I am not a mod I hasten to add, you seemed a little middle of the road and gave Fulvio less room than he deserved as you knew he was there. Still it was harsh that you lost two places with Andy close by as well.

See you all at Adelaide.

I was not expecting a try to overtake at this place (at the start of the Esses), I thought it will happen on the long pits straight.

Dave, just to clarify. I did the move only cause you had a moment accelerating out of Club. If you hadn't I surely wouldn't have tried to go inside there and I would have tried to draft you on the straight. I'll send my replay clip so mods will have a word. Anyway I had a bitter taste when I didn't see you in my mirrors, sorry again.
Ciao

Reasonably happy with my performance last night, grats to sky, who after the first few laps really turned it on and chased me down.  I was wondering where you were quicker than me and expected to have a grandstand view after you blasted by, but a spin not only let you through but gave you a reasonable gap.  I then ran off the road in T1 before beginning the chase.

I actually thought I was running a reasonable pace to start with but decided there was more to be had in a few corners and tried to turn the wick up.  This was successful for a few laps where I dipped into the 1:20.4s.  After trimming sky's lead by half, I then had a spin at the esses (I think) and pretty much decided to bring it home from there.  We were both well clear so could afford to cool off a bit and not risk the engine.

Quite happy with the evening, did little praccy and managed a pb to take the pole (though some fast guys notable by their absence).  Also got the FL but crucially no win...

Bob

P.S You were quick in practice Cookie, be great if you carried on with the 67s, they're certainly a challenge but I think they are also good training for the other mods.

  I am also quite happy with my peformance... My qualifiyng time was almost a second off my pb, but it was enough for second, I guess because the fastest drivers were driving hondas, missing or not having enough practice at season start... in race tho, after the tyres got some heat in them, I was actually much faster than in qually... I seem to feel more comfortable with more fuel in the car, making it more planted. Started to catch up to Baab, and was not sure if I could ever past him - my abysmal upshifts gave him speed advantage on the straight... then he span, maybe several times really, which gave me a nice lead. With 10-25 laps to go he got up to speed again with the lighter fuel load, and I still didnt allow myself to relax... then the gap was suddenly huge again.

  Unfortunately that will probably be the best race of the season for me... kyalami is definetly the track I preform best on...not sure if nuburgring, monaco or bremgarden are in the track list, I would do reasonably well on those I guess...   I think I lose concentration too easely on the other tracks, maybe something I should work on.

Cookie. I agree with the others, no reason to leave Works, just work on smoothness and consistency rather than lap time.

Sky - congrats on your first Works win, wish I could manage that. Given that other sporting Scots have removed monkeys off their backs recently, maybe this is the year......

TBH Arf, I have some good reasons to leave Works

- I have not done more than 20 67's races in my whole GPL career,
- I am still learning to understand these beasts and have not yet found "save" setups for me
- I have to keep 150% of concentration in a 67 race and so I fail under pressure.

Maybe another season with the Privateers gives me more experience and confidence ;)

 

And he wants to win Privs ;)

I've uploaded my onboard from this race: Kyalami in a Bloody Waza (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEBMuF5Fvl8). The "Highlights" video should be tomorrow(if nothing goes wrong).


- I've done 9 :P and it was in first season of "Graduates Cup" so I had to race under Pro rules ;)
- Stop using weird setups from alien hotlappers. Go witch some balanced ones. I personally started with setups from Alison Hine
- There is a solution for that. Instead of overdriving the car while trying to keep up with faster drivers, find your own pace/rhythm and stick to it. That's how I've got all my podiums(ok, there is no that many of them ;) )

Thanks Bartosz,
I think with ~half the age I would have had no problem too...

I have no problems with pro mode, I don't even notice any difference in a race, I don't like the use of S+R and prefer to quit a race...

I mostly use the setups of Masaki Asano as a basis wich are known as well balanced.
But I love to try the Steve Cloyd and John Bradbury setups as a reference to learn from.

Same here, thats my aim! It's exactly how I gained my good positions in 65's pros ;D

The sundays race disaster was in the 3rd lap when my tires were still not optimal, and I had a hard pressing Arf Arf Arf in my back...

So basically you need to gain experience in racing in traffic. Well, you won't learn that in Privateers,. That's because most fast guys from last season are now racing in Works ;)

There is no right or wrong with setups. I've seen vastly different setups from people who are otherwise doing identical lap times. It's all about fitting your personal preference, driving style, habits, etc. And it's really helpful to not just copy a setup, but tweak it on your own. And one more thing - most setups around are for hotlapping, not races. They overheat the tires after 1-2 laps and are rather imbalanced with more fuel. Have you tried any of my 67 setups? I try to opt for neutral balance, at least with the suspension. You can always change the diff and brake bias to suit your driving style, but the suspension is what makes the difference.

I agree with the others that you should not just give up racing in Works, because you gain a lot more valuable experience with the challenge here.

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