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Title: UKGPL Season 25 (2013) Historic Trophy (66) - Bathurst - Aug 6
Post by: Rainier on July 29, 2013, 04:04:58 PM +0100
Season 25 Historic Trophy (66) - Round 3 - Bathurst
welcome at the Bathurst / Mount Panorama circuit in Australia.
Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL_T7_2
IP address = 62.149.202.168
Race date = 06-08-2013
Race Time = race starts at 21:30 UK time
Qualifying Time = Between 30 and 60 minutes, starting no later than 21:00 UK time
Tracks = Bathurst (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=180)
Variant = 66
Damage Model = PRO
Race length = 50 minutes (laps 18)
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Replays Available here (http://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/inc_replaysS25_js.aspx)
Driver lists and rules can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=403&theme=6)


The full time drivers can start to practice as soon as the server is available.  Reserve drivers can also join as soon as the server becomes available but must leave the server with 35 minutes of qualifying left, for a total of 5 minutes; this will allow any remaining full timers to join.  If there is enough space on the grid, the reserve drivers will be able to rejoin when there are 30 mins of qualifying left. 

Please restrict chat to pit messages including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

The race will be run under PRO rules so no resets are allowed.


For THIS RACE, 3 liters car must be selected

All drivers have free choice for Race 3.
Full moderation of lap one red zone

LAP ONE RED ZONE: Full moderation from race start to the exit of The Dipper.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 25 (2013) Historic Trophy (66) - Bathurst - Aug 6
Post by: fpolicardi on August 05, 2013, 05:22:15 PM +0100
T7 server is set for 18 laps Long race and listening on Igor in Console session.
Ciao


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 25 (2013) Historic Trophy (66) - Bathurst - Aug 6
Post by: Rainier on August 06, 2013, 12:03:14 PM +0100
I am really confused ...

Here, I cannot do better than 2'19" with the Cooper, Honda or Ferrari
and 2'17 with the BT19.

Looking at GPL rank, the best times are 2'04" and an average time is 2'10" ...

My top speed is around 235 km/h which seems really ridiculous.

I tried different setups but no real change ...
It's not only my way of driving (It would not be possible for me to do 2'04 but 2'10-2'12 should be possible).
 
I think something is bad with my install ...!

 


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 25 (2013) Historic Trophy (66) - Bathurst - Aug 6
Post by: EvilClive on August 06, 2013, 01:10:38 PM +0100
I did try a couple of cars last night around Bathurst and there were some differences in the top speeds that I got.

TBH I gave up because I got bored waiting 2 minutes to get around to start a timed lap lol

The best cars peaked out at about 170mph (274kph)? but this speed was very much affected by the gear ratios. I found that all the cars I tested did not like a big gap between 4th and 5th. The engines in 1966 appear to lose a lot of torque at high revs??

If I set 5th high ( to allow for some slipstreaming) the car would just not pull itself up to the 274kph, or if too low then I would be bouncing on the red line way before the end of  Conrod Straight.
Even the Mclaren was pulling 166mph (266kph) after some tweaking of ratios.

Your speed does seem a little slow? have you checked that nothing is stopping your pedal going the full distance?
Tyre pressures and toe in can also cost you speed if not set correctly.

Just as an experiment try adding some tyre pressure and  set toe in/out to zero. A careful lap until you reach the straight and see what you get as max speed?


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 25 (2013) Historic Trophy (66) - Bathurst - Aug 6
Post by: dave curtis on August 06, 2013, 01:51:45 PM +0100
<with some snipping!>
Here, I cannot do better than 2'19" with the Cooper, Honda or Ferrari and 2'17 with the BT19.
Looking at GPL rank, the best times are 2'04" and an average time is 2'10" ...

It's not only my way of driving (It would not be possible for me to do 2'04 but 2'10-2'12 should be possible).
I think something is bad with my install ...!

I also looked on GPL Rank & was shocked to see that 2:04  -  so I'm glad to hear that it's clearly an unrealistic time!  :)

You must have installed the 'extra' pack with another corner or two... :)
I installed it last night & apart from the Ferrari (which I've decided that I don't get on with);  was getting 2:14-2:16 in the others after a few laps - and I would expect to be somewhat off the pace.    The AI however, were managing 2:06 somehow.

I did notice top speeds for me were around 172-175MPH.  However,  I'm not sure how much of a tow is potentially gained with the 66s?  For example,  I got ~175MPH in the Honda,  but with AI ahead noticed 182MPH (before car then just took off!).

It appears there is not much time to be gained by trying to cut the corners in the twisty section.

Cheers,
Dave.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 25 (2013) Historic Trophy (66) - Bathurst - Aug 6
Post by: Rainier on August 06, 2013, 01:57:26 PM +0100

You must have installed the 'extra' pack with another corner or two... :)


What do you mean, exactly ? ???


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 25 (2013) Historic Trophy (66) - Bathurst - Aug 6
Post by: EvilClive on August 06, 2013, 02:03:36 PM +0100
<with some snipping!>
Here, I cannot do better than 2'19" with the Cooper, Honda or Ferrari and 2'17 with the BT19.
Looking at GPL rank, the best times are 2'04" and an average time is 2'10" ...

It's not only my way of driving (It would not be possible for me to do 2'04 but 2'10-2'12 should be possible).
I think something is bad with my install ...!

I also looked on GPL Rank & was shocked to see that 2:04  -  so I'm glad to hear that it's clearly an unrealistic time!  :)

You must have installed the 'extra' pack with another corner or two... :)
I installed it last night & apart from the Ferrari (which I've decided that I don't get on with);  was getting 2:14-2:16 in the others after a few laps - and I would expect to be somewhat off the pace.    The AI however, were managing 2:06 somehow.

I did notice top speeds for me were around 172-175MPH.  However,  I'm not sure how much of a tow is potentially gained with the 66s?  For example,  I got ~175MPH in the Honda,  but with AI ahead noticed 182MPH (before car then just took off!).

It appears there is not much time to be gained by trying to cut the corners in the twisty section.

Cheers,
Dave.

Cutting corners is NOT recommended around Bathurst IMHO unless you are very precise, far too many chances to end your race I think?

The draft will be noticeable down the long straights and should give a good few extra MPH/KPH, so gearing for the tow might be wise. Unless of course you intend to rush off into the lead and break your own wind out front??  ::)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 25 (2013) Historic Trophy (66) - Bathurst - Aug 6
Post by: dave curtis on August 06, 2013, 05:04:39 PM +0100
Yeah exactly - those 'kerbs' are a little fierce!

Now - running over those too many times (once?!) *would* cause tyre issues for sure...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 25 (2013) Historic Trophy (66) - Bathurst - Aug 6
Post by: Cookie on August 06, 2013, 05:17:02 PM +0100
As a fan of this track, I just registered as a reserve.

I hope there is a slot left tonight for my Ferrari...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 25 (2013) Historic Trophy (66) - Bathurst - Aug 6
Post by: Ronniepeterson on August 06, 2013, 05:42:08 PM +0100
Come on guys I suspect some sandbagging here. I just tried the 3L Ferrari, Cooper, Honda and Brabham and sub 2.10 is not that difficult. Okay running around for the entire race at that kind of pace might prove hazardous or terminal for the engine but for sure the podium will be at that pace or faster I suspect.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 25 (2013) Historic Trophy (66) - Bathurst - Aug 6
Post by: DLogan on August 06, 2013, 07:03:27 PM +0100
I am really confused ...

Here, I cannot do better than 2'19" with the Cooper, Honda or Ferrari
...

Maybe you have "Trainer" mode on?


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 25 (2013) Historic Trophy (66) - Bathurst - Aug 6
Post by: Rainier on August 06, 2013, 08:14:23 PM +0100
I am really confused ...

Here, I cannot do better than 2'19" with the Cooper, Honda or Ferrari
...

Maybe you have "Trainer" mode on?

 :oops: You're right !
How can I be so stupid after so many GPL years ?

I just done 2'09''69 with the BT19 ...Thanks Dean !


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 25 (2013) Historic Trophy (66) - Bathurst - Aug 6
Post by: dave curtis on August 06, 2013, 08:19:39 PM +0100
I just done 2'09''69 with the BT19 ...Thanks Dean !

That's more like it; now my PB is where it should be by comparison!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 25 (2013) Historic Trophy (66) - Bathurst - Aug 6
Post by: maddog on August 06, 2013, 08:43:11 PM +0100
As a fan of this track, I just registered as a reserve.

I think late entries are required to start at the back of the grid?  If unsure, maybe best to ask a Moderator. ;)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 25 (2013) Historic Trophy (66) - Bathurst - Aug 6
Post by: Cookie on August 06, 2013, 09:43:47 PM +0100
Yeah, I should have better...

My shifting paddles went crazy so I had to stop ::)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 25 (2013) Historic Trophy (66) - Bathurst - Aug 6
Post by: Ronniepeterson on August 06, 2013, 09:54:38 PM +0100
Oh yeah your supposed to brake to make the last bend ::) ::) ::)

Fun while it lasted. Good luck everyone.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 25 (2013) Historic Trophy (66) - Bathurst - Aug 6
Post by: dave curtis on August 07, 2013, 12:08:16 AM +0100
Well, qually went surprisingly well;  6 seconds off previous PB from the night before.

1st 2 laps of the race were ok-ish too.  Then on the 3rd tour, the catch-fence on the way down the hill did its job - too well.  By the time I was out,  minus 1 wheel.
I suppose that's what I get for trying to leave too much room on the inside for fellow team-mate Andreas;  who had previously left me lots of room on the inside of T1 the same lap. 

At least I got a number of laps in during practice.   It now seems a bit of a shame that we are not coming back here in any of the other series this season!

Cheers all,
Dave.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 25 (2013) Historic Trophy (66) - Bathurst - Aug 6
Post by: EvilClive on August 07, 2013, 12:56:19 PM +0100
I was tempted to take the 3litre Brab for this race as it does seem to be the sweetest handling car, but old habits die hard and the Honda lured me away with promises of huge BHPs  :o

I found that the setup was not quite right in qually and the car had some nasty little wobbles at a few places around Bathurst. I tried a few things to improve matters and posted a lucky lap that just pinched pole  ;D

But I was very aware that Ronnie, Axel and Tristan + others were going to be on my tail from the start.!!!!

The first 2 laps were quite hairy on heavy fuel and cold tyres ( I had overfilled the Waza by about 7 galls I discovered at the end of the race  :-\ ) with Ronnie looking to poke his Brab down the inside at every opportunity. Axel and Tris were also in close attendance and ready to pounce on any mistake......... so I made one!  :(
Just slightly outbraked myself at the end of the straight and was trying to leave room for Ronnie as he had vanished from my mirrors and could be right where I did not want him....alongside. The clunk against the outside armco sounded bad, but the Honda shrugged it off and I was able to give chase after Tris and Ronnie ( Axel had gone missing somewhere?)
I was able to close the gap slowly as R & T disputed the lead, but I still had some strange stability issues with the Honda, even on the main straight it wanted to weave about ( the answer became obvious later!!). Then Ronnie appears to have got carried away at the end of the straight and gone looking at armco on the escape road, so Tris was alone up front and no-one to hassle him. I pressed as hard as I dared and the gap was maybe closing, but certainly not growing despite the instability at some points.
 Eventually I was caught out as I dropped down through the rocks to blast out onto the straight with all those lovely BHPs and I managed a 180 spin without hitting anything!! That takes real skill in my book  ;D This dropped me out of sight of Tris and probably made 2nd the best I could expect.
But, as the fuel level dropped and the car got lighter the handling improved dramatically and my speed increased, proving that my problems were ride height or spring rate related and the car was simply bottoming out on race fuel............should have thought of that??!! :yes:

For the last few laps I was closing on Tris but I suspect that he had things under control and knew that he did not need to risk anything to take the win, but I was close enough that just one mistake from tTristan would have made things interesting lol.

Grats to Tristan on the win and commiserations to those who did not survive.
Then I was in a blind spot and had to spin the car back to face the right direction but fortunately I had a safe gap on prib back to 4th spot.

 


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 25 (2013) Historic Trophy (66) - Bathurst - Aug 6
Post by: MagicArsouille on August 07, 2013, 04:56:30 PM +0100
HI :)

I take a good start overpassing Axel  before t1.....I know the two guys in front quite " rapidos " and I have to be close of them before the srtaight, oserwise I lost the contact.....it was not difficult to fellow and I try to put maximum pressure on Ronnie, but Evil is the first to do a mistake at the end of L3.... I overpass Ronnie on the early L4.....he forget to brake at the end of the straight line and them I take the lead and have just to control who is behind me.....
....so good race , spécialy the first half, the second was a little bit lonely ...happy in the end;)
 
...thx everybody ....c u  next one  :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 25 (2013) Historic Trophy (66) - Bathurst - Aug 6
Post by: Rainier on August 07, 2013, 05:16:39 PM +0100
Bravo Tristan, jolie victoire !

For me, it was one of my worst ever GPL race...
The day before, I made lot of tests and laps with different cars ...but it was in "trainer" mod ! I am so stupid sometimes !

During the qually, I made a correct 2'09"45 but during the race, I lost the control on the 1st lap just before the Dipper.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 25 (2013) Historic Trophy (66) - Bathurst - Aug 6
Post by: maddog on August 07, 2013, 06:40:02 PM +0100
I've discovered the secret of getting around Mt.Panorama, without the loss of necessary items.  You just scare yourself silly every couple of laps, and the rest takes care of itself! :blink:

At racetime, t'was obvious I'd no chance of hanging onto the leaders - could only watch a tremendous scrap fade into the distance.  Which meant, one was left to pace ones lonesome self, which was managed by bouncing off the scenery, at carefully monitored intervals, every couple of laps.  So, with the last 2 laps remaining, to check that all items had remained skillfully intact, I nosedived fatally into a bank.  Bumped all 4 corners equally, surveyed the panorama, and hurried onwards to the finish line, with all 4 wheels about to fall off.  

This driving technique should not be repeated, without first obtaining many years of, skillfully acquired racing luck. :D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 25 (2013) Historic Trophy (66) - Bathurst - Aug 6
Post by: Rainier on August 26, 2013, 06:03:32 PM +0100
Moderation published. It was an easy work !