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Season 25 Novices and Intermediates Trophy - Round 3 - Monaco

NB. There is ONE grid for both the Novices and the Intermediates

The Novices and Intermediate Trophies will remain sharing a grid until further notice.

Welcome to the thirdd round in the 65's class of UKGPL for the continuation of our twenty fifth season. Monaco. Papy original, classic track, a real driver's circuit. Really hard!

Hopefully there will be a better turn out than last time before the summer break.

Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL_T7_2
IP address = 62.149.202.168
Race date = 30-07-2013
Race Time = race starts at 21:30 UK time
Qualifying Time = Between 30 and 60 minutes, starting no later than 21:00 UK time
Track = Monaco (Papy)
Variant = 65F1 - the 2.02 Release of the 65mod should be used
Damage Model = INT
Race length = 50 minutes (laps 27)
Password: see above (#post_event_password)
Replays Available here (http://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/inc_replaysS25_js.aspx)

65 Patch: The 2.02 Release of the 65mod can and should be used. You need a working installation of the 65 mod to install the 2.02 Update. All the 65 Mod files can be found here (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Mods/1965)

Driver lists can be found on the Novice (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=406) and Intermediate (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=407) championship standings pages.

The full time drivers can start to practice as soon as the server is available.  Reserve drivers can also join as soon as the server becomes available but must leave the server with 35 minutes of qualifying left, for a total of 5 minutes; this will allow any remaining full timers to join.  If there is enough space on the grid, the reserve drivers will be able to rejoin when there are 30 mins of qualifying left.  

Please restrict chat to pit messages including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

Intermediate drivers are limited to ONE reset. Novices have unlimited resets but EACH Shift-R MUST be followed within TWO laps by a Stop 'n' Go.

All drivers have a free choice of car.

Moderating The red zone will be fully moderated for lap 1 only. For this event the red zone will be from the start line to the exit of the Gazometres hairpin. Other moderation will be on reported incidents only.  However any incidents that occur in the red zone that are not reported by the drivers will be reported by the moderator.  This will allow all affected drivers the opportunity to present their case before the incident is moderated.  This should ensure there are no surprises when the moderator's report is published and hence appeals will be less likely.  If you haven't received a PM about an incident before the link below the results table is removed, you can be sure that you will not appear in the moderator's report.

Hello fellow sim-racers,
I am new to the UKGPL, and I would like to race at Monaco. Hopefully all goes well.
Thanks,
Walter

I've not managed a single clean lap so my expectations for this race is not high. Seems a tough one for Novices IMO.

Hi Tony, it's a challenging race track, but it does reward you once you have learnt it. Keep at it and you'll get there.

I really enjoy this track because it's a challenge, not saying I ever do well here, but it's certainly one that I enjoy.

Let's hope the start will be better than for last F2 race in Monaco !

It IS tough Tony but steady will reap reqards and I picked it because it is a Papy track and a classic circuit. If you CAN get round it is so much more rewarding than, say, Watkins Glen. Not everyone's cup of tea I know but with ten races hopefully there is enough to satisfy everybody.

At a tough track, it's a good idea to get on a pre-race Server.  The Ai don't behave exactly as real drivers do, and there's more to learn from us humanoids.  Most of us don't mind an occasional bump, if it helps to sort out what is safe, and what isn't safe for the race. :smartass:

A pre-race server....yeah, I remember them. Whatever happened to them?

Talking BREASTS?

I hosted a server last night from about 19:30 to approx 21:30 and no one joined :( I did quite a few lonely laps.

I was racing around the Nordschleife in a 1950's Mercedes 300SL  ;D

I had a prior engagement;  involving looking at doors/associated gubbins.
(Was either last night or tonight!)

Thanks for the invitation though!

From the comments here opinions are divided about Monaco, but I have found that there is nothing to fear except over ambition.

Each corner requires that you approach it safely without any demon last minute braking, just concentrate on keeping all four wheels gripping and rolling, concentrate on smooth entry and best possible exit.

A quick resumee of my approach to Moanaco...

StDevote I slow slightly early ( rather than jump on the brakes and make the tyres lose traction) aiming to get a tight line through the apex and just miss the raised pavement on the inside up the hill. This line allows me to get on the gas early and max my speed up the hill.

Brake early and get the car hooked up to the long left hander into Casino Square. I set my cars up to oversteer slightly under power so that I can feed in some extra juice through the corner and keep well to the left. This will open the right hander and allow me to accelerate through that (without running wide into the armco).

I lift slightly over the "hump" to keep the car settled fpr braking into the right hand hairpin. I see this as a double apex, so I go tight to the kerb on the first apex, allowing the car to brake and turn to line up with the second apex and then nail the gas just clipping the curbs on either side down to the left hander.
This I approach as wide to the right as possible without fouling the kerb. Your gearing needs to be just right for this corner so that 1st does not bog down, but also that you do not spin up the rear wheels when you exit the corner. I try and take as late an apex as I can around this hairpin so that it straightens up the short down hill straight.

A bit tricky to describe my approach to the next corner and Portius.... I aim to do a slow drift through the apex of the first right hander with my inside wheel against the kerb allowing the camber of the road to take the tail round, then a squirt down to Portious keeping well to the left and looking for a late and tight apex. Here it takes practice to get the power on smoothly and use as much of the road as you can to max your exit speed which you will carry all the way to Tabac. I suggest that you even short shift slightly to avoid wheelspin towards the tunnel.

You should be taking the tunnel flat as you go up through the gears and getting across to the right as you approach the crest on the exit.
I aim my car at the gap in the chicane as I come over the crest and keep the gas nailed straight through. I only lift off the gas when the car has straightened to avoid spinning or losing the rear end.
Brake early for Tabac and aim for a smooth and fast exit rather than be tempted to demon brake!!
Build up as much speed as you can before braking for the final hairpin. Again, exit is more important than entry. Go in too fast and you will struggle to get the car turned and aimed along the S/F straight. Short shifting might also help reduce wheelspin out of this corner, where you want all the traction and acceleration that you can find.

Above all around Monaco you are fighting the track more that the other drivers...survival is evrything!!

I tried to join last night and received a bandwith mismatch error. This is not the first time for me to get this error. I looked it up on SRMZ just now, and it says that, "GPL reports a Bandwidth mismatch error when the server is sending more data than your GPL expects.
:hat-tip:
  
  DO the following if you haven't:
 1)Install a core.ini file in your gpl folder(find out who's got the 'hot' core ini nowadays,i still run alisons).
 2)Download,and install the bandwith patch.(alters some lines in your new 'core.ini'.
 This is what i did in 1999." (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=6523&hl=+bandwith%20+mismatch%20+error#entry62128 (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=6523&hl=+bandwith%20+mismatch%20+error#entry62128))

Any advice is welcome, should I do a fresh install? Thanks, Walt

EDIT: I just ran the Bandwidth Patch, and found that the option for cars behind was not selected. I ran the patch again to make sure that one and two are applied. I'll try to test it and report back.
ReEdit: The problem is not solved. I received the Bandwith Mismatch error while trying to join the GPL Brasil server.   :sweatdrop: I think I'll try installing a second copy of GPL to see if I get the same error.

 

re run gem to rebuild the mod exe's , running the patch will only alter the gpl.exe .

john

Walter - John's advice is usually spot on. If you are stiil having problems it might be the settings in your cotre.ini file. I will have a look at mine when I get home & send you a PM.

The "Cars Behind" option should NOT be selected, ensure that you have edited your core.ini exactly as instructed in bwpatch readme, and re-run GEM+ to rebuild the .exe's that iGOR uses (as JR says, the bwpatch only works on gpl.exe, GEM+ will use the patched gpl.exe to rebuild the rest).

Handy utility here: http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=2468, easy to see if bwpatch has been applied properly.

Hi  just need some advise, last couple of times run here got discoed, 65 mod and 67f2 mod, am using Monaco rocks for track and detail slider well back?

I always use the 65lite carset for online racing.  Many racers don't, though it looks Ok, and might help you to survive the rocks.  :euro: You can switch easily enough in GEM.

The important bit of the core ini is this:

net_mdm_client_send_every = 3                ; Client packet freq on dialup
net_mdm_client_send_size = 84                ; Client packet size on dialup
net_mdm_server_send_every = 3                 ; Server packet freq on dialup
net_mdm_server_send_size = 384               ; Server packet size on dialup
net_server_port=0                             ; Server port number (0 = default)
net_use_mdm_bandwidth_for_tcp_ip=1            ; Use modem bandwidthfor TCP/IP - 1 = Use net_mdm_ settings *
;net_use_mdm_bandwidth_for_tcp_ip=0            ; Use modem bandwidthfor IPX    - 0 = Use net_lan_ settings

The server should actually over ride your settings but make sure you are using ...tcp_ip=1 (highlighted in red). Note that the ';' semi colon is a comment marker, anything after a semi-colon can be ignored (hence the ...tcp_ip=0 line is ignored.

There is a sample core.ini here (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Utilities/)

Hope that helps. UKGPL3 is up for practice with actual settings so try that.

Thanks maddog will give that a try.

Ok - maybe not the right track for a debut. Far too slow. And terrible ringing sounds which made it difficult to concentrate.

Have to work on it.

Sorry to the guy I bumped in the tunnel in lap 1.

CU

That was me mate but you were unsighted...

Terrible race. My best here is 1:30 - this race 1:35 - :(  Awesome start and then a bit slow to the tunnel and didn't expect Ivan to pass there. Moved across and took his wheel off. Sorry Ivan.

Then got a bump and the car was AWFUL. Reset and lost it totally - sliding into the sides, no rhythm at all. Gave up after my FIFTH spin. Dreadful. Shouldn't have tempted fate but I think the Novices need something hard occasionally! Might drop Dundrod though.

See you all after the summer.

Just wanted to apologise again for swearing during the race, no excuse for it, I'm just very sorry.

no problem Al.

Fantastic Race! Thank you to everyone that helped me fix the Bandwidth error. I really did not know if it would work until the last minute. I'm sorry to W. Tony for wrecking in front of you in the practice session. The race went great, and I'm really looking forward to the next one. Thanks, WC

What a great race. Al and JP were on my exhaust pipes all race...well JP was, shame about Al's accident. I had frequent but intermittent lag issues which was distracting. After Al crashed I had a decent gap to John, but he made short work of it, and harassed me the whole race. If it hadn't been Monaco I'm not sure I could have held out. Was really interesting to see that we were stronger in different parts of the circuit, which helped me too. If only Dave R hadn't had a moment after he caught John he might have taken the heat off me.....

Doubt that I will make the next race, so happy hols and I'll see you at the one after.

AAA

No problem Badblood. Sorry guys for staying so long in the middle of the tunnel. Forgot about shift and r option. Congratulations to the winners :)

Well that went better than I had dared dream for. Actually finished albeit a few laps down. Wasn't incident free as I had loads of spins which required carefull 3 point turn recovery's. Plus making sure I didn't impede lappers lost me loads of time too but like I say, at least I finished. Looking forward to an easier outing next time.
BTW nice to see five GTL'ers in the results last night.

P.S. Great to see you on track Kurt, but what a place to make your debut  :o  Don't worry, the speed will come. That's what they keep telling me  ;)

Congrats to Arf, Johnny and Rainer, good race guys and a very quick pace.

Was a little disappointed in qualifying, I just could not get a series of clear laps. I find in Monaco that I need a series of laps to really nail a good time and although I did managed 2 or 3 clear laps I always ended up catching traffic on my quick ones. I did end up second on the grid.

I got a OK start, and kept it clean. Arf was in front and Johnny was just behind. I waited until my tyres where up to temp and started to settle in. I was managing everything OK, Arf wasn’t getting away and I was able to keep Johnny behind, and I was happy with my pace. After 5 or so laps we saw some yellow flags just after the tunnel. I slowed down a little, but saw the yellow flags a little to late, I couldn’t see anything in the way and picked my line though the chicane, I didn’t see the car on it’s roof the other side of the chicane until far too late. I hit the upturned car pretty square on my right hand wheel, ripping it off straight away. I hit the brakes, but a 3 wheel F1 car doesn’t brake too well and I hit that wall pretty hard at Tabac. I’m glad that I didn’t collect anyone else, it must have been interesting from you guys behind. I’m again very sorry about my swearing, at this point, I’ll make sure it doesn’t happen again.

After my Shift & R I did my stop and go and was in a little clear air, with Rog just up ahead. I managed to catch Rog but getting past was a whole different story. He was so good under traction away from the corner, and he was driving great, placing his car very well so I just couldn’t get a good run on him. I figured out that my only chance was at Tabac, but would require the move being setup much earlier. I had to follow Rog very closely to setup any chance of a pass and I think I tapped him a couple of time, so again sorry about that Rog. I just couldn’t do it, and with 5 laps to go I lost it and spun just after the tunnel. Luckily it was just a spin and I lost about 10 second, and in the end I think this spin did me a favour, as it helped me collect my thoughts and setup for a last charge.

I caught Rog with 2 laps to go. On the second to last lap we had some traffic and I lsot my chance to follow Rog where I needed. So it was all down to the last lap. Over the start and finish line I got a good line and really closed up on Rog up the hill. Though the second sector I managed to keep really close to Rog, and planned my line for the tunnel. I managed to nail my line, and got a great drive down to Tabac. Unfortunately for me, so did Rog and he covered the inside line, so that was that. What happened next I’d like to claim was a great, planned move all down to how brave I was prepared to be, and all about skill and daring. I’d like to claim that, but it was actually more to do with me messing up my braking and going in too hot, which then turned into a overtaking move as I had nowhere else to go. Thanks to Rog too, as he saw me late and gave me loads of space.

Overall a good race, I had a race long battle with Rog which was great fun, and I hope Rog enjoyed it too. Congrats to everyone who took part, and I’m looking forward to the next race already.

I had a great race I did my best to pester Arf without being reckless, he drove really well under pressure for the whole race be it me or Al behind him. An opportunity came with about 5 laps to go with Arf doing the wall of death at the top of the hill but I was too far back to capitalise. Dave R caught me near the end and was really quick but thankfully dropped back without giving to much pressure.  A shame Al crashed- it looked unavoidable from my view- he had great pace. I hope the new chaps enjoyed the outing.. See you all next time.

Monaco – a track that I love & loath in equal measures. Never been very quick there. In the first three laps I traded stupid spins with Dave Curtis – but he ended up about 400 yards ahead & stayed there for most of the race. I will, however, be happy to get back to the more conventional race tracks.

Tony was very courteous letting me past about halfway through at Portious. Maybe a bit too courteous? On a track like this I don’t think it unreasonable to wait for a couple of corners to clear a lapped car at a point where neither lose too much time.
Welcome to Kurt & Walter for their first outing in UKGPL. Monaco is probably about as hard as it gets (although Nurburg has its challenges) you’ll have an easier time of it next race.

Paul – are you going to replace Dundrod? Looks like it will take some considerable learning if you are keeping it on the schedule.

I would be interested in views on Dundrod. I just love the feel of going for a drive in the countryside and it is a Novice's Nurburgring... did five laps last night and was starting to get to grips with it. There are some great straights to draft on but it is quite narrow and lots of the corners are blind... Silverstone is easier!

I haven't tried dundrod- what is a rough lap time Paul?

This is a great looking track.

Dundrod 1965 is a lot more picturesque than the 1950 version.

Aim for around 4.30 when learning. If your anywhere near 4.00 your doing very well. Then you can start dreaming of a time approaching 3.30!!

Can someone post a link to a working Dundrod download please

Track database not working for you? Came right up for me: http://jrpearson.homestead.com/index.html

Forgot to say well done and thankyou to the backmarkers for extremely courteous driving last night!!

Dundrod.. I like it..ish, never really learned it properly. However... isn't it a bit long for newer drivers to learn? Not sure it fits this series.

Whatever race is next is there an up to date race calendar? The registration page seems to conflict with the results calendar.

You could try the Calendar  ;)

That's currently showing the next race as being Panchine on 17th September.

Dundrod is not one for the faint hearted!  But for those looking for inspiration, there's some on British TV tonight - ITV 4, Silverstone classic meeting at 9pm, with gravel traps instead of hedges.   

Thanks Tony- I have severely reprimanded myself. I shall try the calender. :)

There seem to be some handicaps on the horizon- can you shed any light Paul?

Grats to Podiums

Used as advised by Maddog the 65 light car set and had no probs running Monaco Rocks.
Was having a lonely time in 5th place when an incident ahead put me up to 4th,from then till Tabac on the last lap had a great scrap with AL  pushing me in the Fez, lucky for me i had the 33 which was slighty quicker to accelarate out of the bends plus its almost inpossible to overtake at Monaco almost untill AL passed me at Tabac on the outside. The most exciting and intense race ive had with the 65 cars. Will miss Panchine do to hols but will be back for Spa.

"Moderation" published

Change of plans now (Will race Panchine but will miss Spa).

Sorry chaps - been away. There are some handicaps looming - they will be in the race post.

Dundrod is tough but it isn't that hard to learn and there are some really good drafting opportunities. It fits with Charade/Nurburgring etc as a 'tough one'. They can be surprisingly good fun. I intend to stick with it for the time being.

As for the registration I will sort that out to match the calendar - forgot to do that - but ALL the track links should all be there.

BTW Paul, I didn't disco?

It sometimes puts that Tony. I can change it (as you know) but unless the numbers are wrong I don't usually bother.

no probs