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Practice: 19:20 BST
Qual 2: 20:25 (20 mins)
Race: 20:45 ~ (23 laps)
Cars allowed: Ford Capri 3100, BMW 3.5 (NOT Schnizer or IMSA), Porche RSR3.0.
Track: Valencia GP  (Built in track)
Time of Day Setting: 13:00
Weather: Dry
Start: Standing

Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal
Pit-stops: None required

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Championship Standings (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=382&theme=34)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see
cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
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rules about in-game chat messages.
(3) You will need to install Power and Glory v3 from:  http://gtlw-blog.flyingpig.info/
(4) Please exercise caution when pitting as some tracks have a speed limit.

(5) Please follow the SROUK guidelines for using kerbs etc. Please keep 2 wheels on the track surface (kerbs do not count as track surface)
Excessive cutting of corners will seen as cheating and the results may be altered to reflect this.

I haven't tested, but I would like to suggest adding the Zakspeed Escort to this group.  ;D

I will do some testing when I get back from my holidays. If someone wants to post some times including Walter's suggestion
that would be most welcome  :thumbup1:

Well if it's ideas you want, can we chuck out the BMW and the Porsche?   ;D

I will have a play with the escorts this weekend, some lovely ladies doing that job on Lord Street.
I left the escorts out because they seem to get a lot of events as it is, but if one or another fits well
that's no reason to not have one there I guess.

I think Walter means the new (Zakspeed) Escorts that were introduced in P&G 3.1. These have 2.0 litre engines, rather than the 1.8 engines in the existing Escorts & are quite a bit faster. They should be quite competitive with the Capris etc. on this twisty track.

Ahhhh, good call, not seen them , but I will  :o
Thanks.

SBRC testing suggests that the Escort is about three seconds a lap slower than the Capri and BMW. 

Ah, thanks SBRC for testing. I'll have to look for another opportunity to race the Zakspeed. Meanwhile, my wife informed me that we have other plans Oct 31st. I'll have to sit this one out. Good luck to my fellow WSL Racing Teammates!

As Geoffers pointed out in another web forum, Europe sets the clocks back this weekend. Any country that does not do that this weekend will need to double check the starting time. http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html)

I am not absolutely certain I will make the race, Walter. I am off to Scotland early the following morning, and I may want a nice, relaxed evening before that!

Five minutes of this and I'm screaming to get back to my Cobra at Bridgehampton!

Can't see the server.



EDIT:  Saw it last night and it had MJ on it too!  Then my connection went down.  :(

Two days to go and I see that this place is awash with the usual banter, quick wit and repartee.

Been away for a few days but quite agree Clive, pre race thread banter appears to have disappeared lately ???

Why don't you get the ball rolling and tell us what times your setting in the fastest car available?  ;) ;D I want to know how many secs behind I am in my favoured RSR (which is great fun to drive here by the way!) I can see me being all over the capris and beemers in the twisty sections and then left for dead down the home straight  ::)

Capris? Who let those in?  ;)

Bimmers and RSR seem pretty well matched but a Capri will be hard to beat especially if all the quick drivers jump into them (as I'm sure most will  ::)) The RSR is good fun as always, but from past experience here I have already reserved my place in the gravel at the final corner.

Mid 44s in race trim is the best I've done so far.

Quick wit huh? some of us still have to work for a living young Clive.
Capris are "awkward" here, I expect the other cars to be more nimble at this place.
A Capri might win, but it will be pressed harder than at some other tracks I am hoping.

In testing I was fastest in the RSR, which usually means it will wipe the floor
but 3rd party testing suggests it is actually a close match.

I did 45's race pace in a short sesh but can prob get into 44's now I know what to aim for.  Hard to gauge without some benchmarks so be nice to see what the beemers and capris can do. I'm hoping understeer slows them down a bit over a lap  :-\

A Porsche win would not surprise me.

Only in johns hands!...or one of those Italiano di veloci mob!  :P

Was nice to at least know the track already and just have to concentrate on the car this time.  :)

Big problem with the Capri is that, after about a lap and a half, the XD panel looks like a set of traffic lights that are seriously on the blink.

Strong chance I'm going to miss this one :(

I have the distinct privilege to introduce Johnny X, the newest driver on the WSL Racing Team. I have been racing P&G v3 online against Johnny X for almost a year now. Welcome aboard, I am glad that you found your way to this league as well. Now lets score some points. - WC

(http://www.gamers-crib.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=85&pictureid=1289)

Hi everyone !

Looking forward to racing with you all  :thumbup1:

Welcome JohnnyX. I am sure you will enjoy your racing here.

I tried the Beemer but couldn't get it round faster then a mid 1.46. I don't think I'll find time for more setup-tuning or trying the other cars. I did see Otto on the server doing a 1.44 with the RSR as did Giuseppe in a Beemer. So it looks closely matched indeed.

For those new to our league, we will all have to be on our best behaviour for this race and follow the instructions on the race announcement:-

(5) Please follow the SROUK guidelines for using kerbs etc. Please keep 2 wheels on the track surface (kerbs do not count as track surface)
Excessive cutting of corners will seen as cheating and the results may be altered to reflect this.

Remember that this applies at corner entry and exit as well as at the apex.

I don't think that I will be racing this time, so Johnny will need to take my place and score some extra points for the WSL Racing Team. I will be driving to Scotland early on Friday morning, so I prefer to relax on Thursday evening (as opposed to getting stuck behind Clive) ;D

To support CLive's post, not that I have seen a lot of kerb cutting, but please have a look at the examples in this thread:
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=11553.30

Everyone should be stuck behind Clive and preferably a long way off!

Although, Scotland seems a tad excessive!

After the race at Mondello last night I'm not too sure about scoring many points against the guys here. First race so I'll be trying to keep it on the black stuff and out of everybody's way.

Johnny, that sounds like a winning strategy to me. If I am able to race this week, it will be without any practice. But hopefully I can show up to turn a few laps.

EDIT: I was about thirty minutes late. Hope that everyone has a good race.

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:   Came in last but had most of the laps racing with Seniordan, great racing Dan it was made even more difficult being lapped but added to the fun. Well done. Bob.

Running comfortably in 2nd place when everyone disappeared!!!!!!!  >:(

Results and Replay Posted

That was hard work, had a great time battling with MJ until I kept understeering off when the tyres wore.

Not a good night for me. Car felt awful for the opening laps, so much so that it led me to check my tyres in xd. Sure enough I was on hards  ::) Not sure how that happened, but I couldn't get any heat in the front leading to understeer that just got worse as the race progressed  >:(

It didn't help things seeing track limits being blatantly ignored by some even after this was highlighted in this thread  ::)

Rant over!

Ranting does no good Tudor, the suspect may not even know that it is him!  If people are using off track areas as part of their "normal" line, you just have to send an incident report and have done with it. 

BTW:  You may imagine that I am devastated to hear of so much ill-fortune befalling your team.   ::)

I had a great race and a fantastic lights-to-flag battle with Frederico.   ;D

Had a great race I suppose but it was equally as frustrating as I felt like I was driving the wheels off the car just to finish in 10th, and even then only due to the mis-fortunes of others. The RSR was sadly outclassed in anyone but Johns alien hands.
Had a cracking first half race in a gaggle of cars with postal, GT, Matt, JX etc all swapping places or chasing hard.  8) but It was soul destroying to be left for dead on the sf straight every lap  ::)

Then postal, GT and me got a gap at about mid point and I was looking forward to a good battle with them to the end but I got an oversteer moment and dropped about 8 secs behind  :'( closed it back to 6 until my tyres went off in last 3 laps and brought it home 10th, soaked in sweat!  :)

Cars looked superb on this track and it's a good technical circuit  8). Well done Otto, John and Clive on the podium  :)

This track with it's green concrete outside the flat kerbs just invites people to wander over them/ I was doing it at times though trying not to
as were the people in front and behind.
I think that too much worrying about kerb policing detracts from the fun. I believe that tracks should be driven the way they are designed to be
I am opposed to people driving across grass and through chicanes as if they were hardly there. Here I am personally not too bothered.
If there is hard surface I tend to be lenient about using it.

Just my opinion. "If" I was moderating this series (and I am not) someone would have to go completely off the hard surface to warrant penalties.
Any flames will be doused. Mostly I strongly support my pictures of what is good and bad, here it's less obvious.
I prefer to get on with the racing than complain.

I think the Porks were closer here, but were underpowered. Some upcoming events should favour them more.

Yep, the words "duck" and "sitting" came to mind :D

Now then... My first outing with SROUK and what a blast that turned out to be  8)

Filled with trepidation I ventured onto the track with guys that I know and quite a few guys with the sort of speed I can only dream about. I think it all went fairly well for the noob though, don't think I got in anybody's way and the first half of the race was huge fun dicing in the aforementioned battle with MJ. I was driving the car pretty hard (in JX terms) and the front right started to suffer which forced me to lose ground for a while with a couple of minor off road explorations but the race finished nicely for me as I slowly caught up the ailing Capri of phspok, got past whilst he understeered off and maintained that position to the end with the timely intervention of being lapped. Another lap and phspok might have caught and passed me again.

45 mins is longer than I normally race so I need to get a handle on tyre preservation and also how to make the car go significantly quicker.

Thoroughly enjoyed the evening, top placer for Team WSL and looking forward to the next event.

I didn't have time to practice at all for this and found during practice that I was too far off the pace to make it worth while. Also, this is right up there with Oschersleben among my most hated tracks! So I left.

Congrats to the podium!

The thing is Matt, that no special announcement was forthcoming ahead of the race; in fact you endorsed my highlighting of the usual rules.

I agree with "lets get on and enjoy the racing" but it isn't a race if some people are using a more lenient track configuration!

For my part, I was resigned to having to take a look at some of Geoffers' lines after the race because it appeared to me that he was regularly using the curb and green concrete rather than the tarmac.  When it's the guy just in front and he is inching away from you then it is a little frustrating.  Anyway, Geoffers resolved matters by disconnecting, so saving me the bother.  Sorry about the disconnection  Geoffers but as for track limits, in my book rules are rules.

I made the odd mistake and ran wide a couple of times and I was also presented with more turn-in than expected on at least one occasion, which resulted in my clipping the apex.  I may also have committed that sin whilst following Frederico on lap one, as I couldn't see where the edge of the track was.  But it is not the occasional transgression that is the problem, it is the people who lap after lap use off track areas as part of their normal line.

I was having a great battle with Frederico for most of the race and would say that, in addition to his being most courteous, he was also making every effort to race within our definition of track limits.

@ John:  I had a real job trying not to pass you when you were parked on the straight!

Great Soggy result of 2nd and 3rd with Ivan there as backup too!  And this time we all reached the finish line!  ;D

IF I had remembered how the track was I would have made a pre race announcement, and you are right I should have
I watched a lot of the replay and you were being very good with the kerb limits. Some others were not, me included.

I was understeering off onto the green stuff more than I would have liked, IMHO those green concrete sections were
valid track at this place, a good many were using them as such so It hardly seems worth quoting regs for something like that.

I watched GT and Postal, and both were mostly keeping it legal, with a few exceptions, MJ and I were all over the concrete
some of the time, as was JohnW and some others.

Seems more unsporting to put in incident reports for everyone, rather than go with the flow.

I will try to think of the track rules and post appropriately, but I haven't had time to get on the tracks other than
initial testing recently.

Guilty as charged :whistling: As you say though, more as a result of making mistakes and pushing too hard rather than deliberately trying to take advantage of the track limits.

Gotta say I totally agree with Clive on this one. We have rules in every announcement which are clear for everyone to see and any relaxation of those should be made clear before the race so that everyone can have fun within those restrictions.

I disagreed with the way MARA chose to police similar rules which penalised mistakes and chose not to race there because in my view it took the fun out of it. But as Clive says we are not talking about mistakes here but a choice of line driven consistently through corners which broke the rules and in doing so gained time. That's a very different thing. Report has gone in.

The limits on your time are well understood Matt and we greatly appreciate your efforts.  The thing is that having a universal set of rules, irrespective of the track, cuts down on your workload.  I particularly stressed the rules ahead of the race because I had experienced just how hard it was to stay on the black stuff!

I think some of the problem lies in the perspective you have from the cockpit which always seems to make the track seem a lot narrower than it appears on replays. From my point of view on my monitor I didn't think I was taking huge lumps of kerb regularly, just an odd occasion where I got the line a bit wrong (quite easy in these cars!). It certainly wasn't deliberate, I was actually trying quite hard to keep 2 wheels on the black stuff, in fact I thought I was making a better job of it than some other people.

Anyhow,as Clive said its irrelevant now as my disco took me out of the results anyway.

I don't dissagree in principle with either Clive or GT. I do understand that it's no use me saying that green concrete is ok "AFTER" the race.
But that is my opinion, and I think incident reports about one person in particular is unfair in this instance.

I haven't watched all the replay, but IMHO from what I saw no one did anything bad enough to warrant a report.
As always, if someone's driving hacks you off enough, then it is correct to post an incident report.  :angel:

Have to say i didn't enjoy this race - never got a proper handle on the car, and what it was doing in the corners remained a complete mystery to me throughout the race. Had no consistency whatsoever and i probably had a different line through every corner each time round..!

Also a shame that GT and Geoffers had problems, as my lonely run to P7 was the best that KC could manage..

One to forget for me therefore, but congrats to the podium.

The driver I reported did the following...

ran wide at T2 allowing greater entry/exit speed

continued to run wide (occasionally steering even wider) to open up T3 allowing greater entry speed

ran wide at T4 allowing greater entry/exit speed

continued to run wide to open up T5 allowing more entry speed

This was pretty much consistent throughout the race and was a choice of line which was clearly outside our rules. There were other instances which I would happily put down to errors of judgement or mistakes such as occasional cuts at apexes.

I don't believe it unfair to report this.

The rules are clear...  

"Please keep 2 wheels on the track surface (kerbs do not count as track surface)"

From SimRacing.org.uk rules

Under no circumstances should drivers engage in discussion of incidents in a public forum (including in-game chat).

Personally, I think rules for two wheels on the track are meant for chicane cutting. Not when you use concrete to get a better line into the corner or faster exit by drifting out. After all it's still concrete, which to me is still racing area. Though maybe the best solution is just not using tracks with potential for misunderstanding rules. I wasn't in this race, but if I was, before Clive's first post about lines, I definitely would have used whole concrete area. And after his post I would have tried to stay between them. But to me the rule is about not cutting chicanes.

I'm kinda with Matt on this one though. If you watch any onboard footage they make full use of the green strips. Even the tyre mark 'racing line' in the gtr2 track uses the green stuff. The track is too narrow for GT cars without them (wasn't it a motorbike circuit originally?) I'm normally as indignant as others with cutting but I just don't think it applies here. Those green strips are quite deliberate. I used them, mostly for two wheels, but know there were many occasions where my complete handful of a car no doubt made full use of them but that was not through any intent to gain an advantage more my lack of controlled precision! Kudos to guys who found great pace and didn't use them...of was it merely because your car held such an advantage you didn't need to use them?  :angel:  ;)

As said already, in hindsight Matt could have said this tracks a bit different with regards run off, but sure he hasn't got the time to think of everything. Any one of you fast boys could have asked for clarity on the green strips but didn't, likewise none of you posted up that the Beemer was in fact 2 secs a lap quicker than the RSR...funny that, what happened to spirit of competition?

One final thing to remember, these are Lairey 70's racing cars us amateur racers are flinging around on a narrow track, not precision F1 cars driven by aliens.

Always an emotive subject, and is a pain in the rectum to have to administer. On one hand I am with CLive, one rule for all is easy
However all tracks are not the same, and what is "reasonable" at one place is taking liberties at another.
I tend to just go with what "makes sense" (To Me)

Anyway, people gotta do what they think is right.

Onwards ever onwards, Snetterton next, cut track warnings will get you there anywhere it's an advantage  :devil:

To digress from all this very serious track cutting stuff, I´d like to thank Bob for a very entertaining race for last position. I wish people could have heard the amazing engine concert of our two brilliant Porsches racing eachother at close distance! Who needs a podium finish?
Also I´d like to apologise to my SBRC. Bob tricked me into last but one position by lifting off just before the s/f line.
There goes my/the team´s record of most consistent last finisher!

Thanks for good fun all, (Senior)Dan

:thumbup1:

Very pleased to be able to get it home in 2nd place, given the pace of the other cars here. Otto was untouchable in the BMW and qualifying only put me in P6, so I thought my only chance of a good result would be from being consistent and taking advantage when other people made mistakes...and it worked ;D Didn't get away particularly well, but the Porsche held its own in the twisty stuff until the start/finish straight, at which point I got picked off by one car after another. After the first few laps had settled down I was surprised to be staying in touch with the leading pack (probably squabbling amongst themselves), so was able to gain when they fell off.

A nice bit of teamwork from Clive near the end let me escape and hold onto a podium while he fended off Frederico, which resulted in a nice haul of team points.

On top of all of that, my brake pedal started to give up the ghost at the beginning of qualifying :-[ Second time it's happened since I've had them (I must have a heavy foot). Had to turn the sensitivity up so that I wouldn't exert too much pressure and make it worse, it was quite a challenge getting used to it in the first few laps. I've ordered a replacement part from Fanatec which should hopefully be here before the next race (I should hope so anyway, given the extortionate price they charge for delivery!).