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Title: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 27, 2013, 07:32:03 PM +0000
Championship Standings here (http://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=414&theme=5)

Grid/server capacity: 28

Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (36 laps)

Track: 1960's Monza Download this (http://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg187122#post_monza60s)

Cars allowed: Alfa Romeo Tipo 33-3 Download this (http://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54520#post_alfa_tipo_333), Ferrari 312P Download this (http://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54520#post_ferrari312p), Ferrari 512S Code Lunga Download this (http://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54520#post_ferrari512s), Lola T70 Mk3B Download this (http://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54520#post_lolat70), Matra Simca MS650 Download this (http://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54520#post_matra_simca), Porsche 908/2 and 908/03 Download this (http://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54520#post_porsche908), Porsche 917K Download this (http://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54520#post_porsche917k)

Car restrictions: Two drives maximum per make *. Check your status here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuS59xI7-YTLdGl0aWt3YWM4dkdMZGZhQlFwaTBqcVE&usp=sharing). *Drivers may elect to drop one make entirely and add two bonus drives with one other make.

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal
Pit stops: Not required

Server: simracing.org.uk Monday
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
(3) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car
If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

Special Notes: Circuit is named "Italian GP 60's" in track list.
Some cars offer a Modern Compound tyre. Please do not choose these.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Colin Paxton on December 06, 2013, 04:31:14 PM +0000
Just took the Tipo 33-3 for a spin - what a hoot! Takes me back to GPL days  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 15, 2013, 05:33:43 PM +0000
Race announcement revised

Porsche 917L removed from series.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 15, 2013, 11:46:18 PM +0000
Race announcement revised

Rule change regarding No. of drives per make.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: chmichel on December 24, 2013, 08:34:16 AM +0000
Hi

I would like to race online how can I join ?

Thx


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 24, 2013, 09:27:08 AM +0000
Hi

I would like to race online how can I join ?

Thx

Hello Michel and welcome to SimRacing.org.uk. GTL.

First thing you should always do is read the first post in a thread. Its called the Race Announcement and it will tell you everything you need to know to join a race, ok?

This thread is for the first race in our WCM series so you need to download and install the track and all of the cars.

We run on the Simbin lobby and our practise server will be visible there. It won't be showing on Thursday and Sunday nights as we turn it off when other leagues here are racing.

I guess you should try and join the track online. Let us know how you get on. If you run into any difficulties or have a question or ten get back to us here. There are loads of drivers who will be able to help you.

Cheers

Tony


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 26, 2013, 03:33:57 PM +0000
Noticed that some cars creep forward when 1st gear engaged. Suggest use of Auto-clutch if you don't have a clutch pedal.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: BillThomas on December 27, 2013, 04:53:47 PM +0000
Thanks Tony, where were you all Christmas morning I was lonely on my own?  ::) ;D


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 27, 2013, 04:54:57 PM +0000
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Mark J on December 27, 2013, 09:14:18 PM +0000
This does look a great series. How do the cars feel? What's the reason for dropping the 917? Surely that F512 needs it as an opponent?
I'm away in Italy before this round so wouldn't leave me much time to install, configure and test in time but might give it a shot.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: EvilClive on December 27, 2013, 09:32:56 PM +0000
Hi Tony and other GTL'ers. I hope to be able to join some of your races and explore something other than my main addiction, which is GPL. You guys have cars from the same era but somewhat different classes.

Thanks to Tony's help I have cobbled together GTL on my PC and have managed a few exploratory laps around Monza on your server in a couple of the cars allocated for Monday's race.

As a noobie to these tintops and GTL, it would be good to have an idea of the hierarchy of the various cars available...I assume that they are not all equal as they certainly do not feel "equal" and perhaps what sort of laptimes I should be working towards if I am not going to be a mobile chicane when you come to lap me??!! ( BTW, if I feel I am a danger to life and limb, I will quit the race). ;)

2nd question...
Is there a dedicated chat room for Srou GTL'ers to meet up in prior to the race ? if so how do I find it? I see plenty of "main" chatrooms in the Simbin lobby.

3rd question...
In car chat?  I have it toggled as "on" in GTL but do I have to hit a key once on the server/track or do I just use the 1-9 default messages? I am assuming that "chat" is kept to a minimum anyway during qually and racing other than those default messages?
  
4th question..
Setups, I am able to change the final drive ratios but NOT individual gears although I have the +/- buttons alongside them. Is this correct? I ask because I found the Lola running out of revs at Monza even on the highest final drive ratio?? maybe I have missed something in the configuration of GTL? :-\

I have the XD? HUD loaded and (apparently) working. I think I can grasp the tyre temps, oil temp, water temp OK, but what is that "%" figure right in the centre trying to tell me? lol Just cannot even guess what it is....yup I know it is probably blindingly obvious!!  ::)



Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: goldtop on December 27, 2013, 11:51:17 PM +0000
Hi Clive, good to see you over this side.

The quickest cars are the F512 and the 917K but the Alfa, Matra and Lola aren't too far behind and might even have the edge on tighter tracks. The 908s and the 312 are there as a slightly easier alternative to their bigger brothers, but again won't be too far off the pace. Don't forget that it's a limited drive championship so drivers will all have to take slower cars at some point.

I would guess a target pace of 1:30 around Monza60 would be in amongst it (a bit like GPL?) but I'd expect some fellows to be 4 to 6 secs quicker than that. If you're off the pace and find yourself being lapped don't worry....as always it's up to the driver lapping to pass you safely so just wait for them to make a move. Top tip, enable your virtual mirror in game for a better view.

There is no pre-race dedicated chatroom as such. When you enter the game online you will see a chat icon near the bottom left of the screen. Click on it and you can type messages in the box that appears but no chat during quali or race please as it can be distracting to some. You can customise your default quickchat messages to the usual ones if you wish.....hi, gla etc.

Re setups and gear ratios, the options differ from car to car and depend on how each one was made. Some cars only have final drive option (not sure if this applies to all WSC cars) while others have individual gear options.

The % figure in xd is the engine health value. If you rev the nuts off some cars the value will decrease until the engine eventually blows. I can't remember it being a problem with these cars as long as you're sensible.

Hope that covers everything Clive and look forward to seeing you on track.

This does look a great series. How do the cars feel? What's the reason for dropping the 917? Surely that F512 needs it as an opponent?
I'm away in Italy before this round so wouldn't leave me much time to install, configure and test in time but might give it a shot.

Cars take a bit of taming and getting used to, but they are very rewarding to drive once you get the hang. Copy your ffb part from your PnG plr for a familiar feel  ;)

Only the 917L has been dropped....because it is a dog. The 917K is very much on the menu  :)

Have fun in Italy and hope to see you on track.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 27, 2013, 11:56:47 PM +0000
This does look a great series. How do the cars feel? What's the reason for dropping the 917? Surely that F512 needs it as an opponent?
I'm away in Italy before this round so wouldn't leave me much time to install, configure and test in time but might give it a shot.

They look good and sound awesome. Only dropped the 917L as it's undriveable due to some bad mistakes having been left in and not corrected by the creator. However the 917K is more than a match for the F512.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 28, 2013, 12:39:18 AM +0000
Hi Clive, seems like Goldtop has beat me to it and there's little I can add to what he has said. The Alfa is probably the best car to start in, it's quite well behaved. Remember with some of these cars if you apply the power to heavily in the lower gears you will just do donuts, so apply gradually. In the higher gears you can floor it.

All chat takes place in game using the chat button GT pointed out. After race chat is usually next day here. Some drivers can and do drive and type but for me that's a recipe for disaster so I rely on the preset messages available in game (which you can edit if you wish). Each message is assigned a button so when I lap you I will press a button and "Thanks" will appear in your cockpit (and everyone else's if they have chat turned on). Chat in praccy is fine but please limit it in qualy and race to essentials only. Some drivers find it outputting.

Some cars do allow individual cog swapping but generally it's the final drive that gives you longer gearing. So if you run on to the limiter before that long straight ends you need to add a click or two to the final drive setting.

In cockpit view press the "2" key to toggle the amount of on-screen clutter suits you.

Use XD in praccy to learn how much fuel your car needs to do a lap. For the race times that by the no. off laps and add a couple of litres for good luck. Fuel up when qualy ends. Your going to pick up a load more stuff as you progress but you now have the basics sorted.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: EvilClive on December 28, 2013, 12:44:49 PM +0000
Ok guys, thanks for the feedback.

I think it will take a while to get the feel for these beasts  ::)

Just a couple of things I would like to check.

The "%" value which is the health of the engine?? It has a different value every time I leave the pits? sometimes 100% sometimes as low as 30%??? But if I esc and return to garage the value changes each time.
Which is why I queried what it was . 



Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 28, 2013, 01:06:33 PM +0000
Ok guys, thanks for the feedback.

I think it will take a while to get the feel for these beasts  ::)

Just a couple of things I would like to check.

The "%" value which is the health of the engine?? It has a different value every time I leave the pits? sometimes 100% sometimes as low as 30%??? But if I esc and return to garage the value changes each time.
Which is why I queried what it was .  


Good question, truth is it varies every time you leave the garage. Why? I don't know. But savvy racers on race night will check when they arrive on the grid for the start that they have a high %. If they don't and if they have time they can press escape then join the grid again hopefully with a higher % than previously. You can repeat this any number of times but be mindfull of the countdown clock. If your not on the grid when the 3-2-1 starts your DQ'd.

BTW add these files to your Teams folder for brighter headlamps http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=7396

Also BTW, play around with the steering lock. The default may be wrong for your wheel setup. Try lowest then highest settings. This should give a good idea of how it's affecting the amount of steer required and which is best for you.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: EvilClive on December 28, 2013, 01:19:35 PM +0000
Brighter headlamps??? are we expecting fog at Monza???


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 28, 2013, 01:21:07 PM +0000
Brighter headlamps??? are we expecting fog at Monza???

 :lol: No but you can warn slower cars that your approaching and flash a thank you once your passed.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Mark J on December 28, 2013, 03:30:55 PM +0000
well I purchased ye-olde software off Steam for a bargain £1.50 !  :)  all installed and running fine.

Just need to d/l all the various car and track mods now. Havent been able to get hold of the content unlocker as NG got hacked over xmas  >:( and I couldn't log in. Have sent them a pm.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 28, 2013, 03:44:13 PM +0000
well I purchased ye-olde software off Steam for a bargain £1.50 !  :)  all installed and running fine.

Just need to d/l all the various car and track mods now. Havent been able to get hold of the content unlocker as NG got hacked over xmas  >:( and I couldn't log in. Have sent them a pm.

Just click on the link to re-submit your login then you can create your password again and re-join. It tells you this on the home page. Simples.
If that don't work let me know and I'll send it to you.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Mark J on December 28, 2013, 04:09:24 PM +0000
well I purchased ye-olde software off Steam for a bargain £1.50 !  :)  all installed and running fine.

Just need to d/l all the various car and track mods now. Havent been able to get hold of the content unlocker as NG got hacked over xmas  >:( and I couldn't log in. Have sent them a pm.

Just click on the link to re-submit your login then you can create your password again and re-join. It tells you this on the home page. Simples.
If that don't work let me know and I'll send it to you.

not so simples as they don't have my new email address on their system ! ive pm'd them anyway.

All cars and track installed. Ready to go other than the content access  :)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 28, 2013, 04:13:40 PM +0000
well I purchased ye-olde software off Steam for a bargain £1.50 !  :)  all installed and running fine.

Just need to d/l all the various car and track mods now. Havent been able to get hold of the content unlocker as NG got hacked over xmas  >:( and I couldn't log in. Have sent them a pm.

Just click on the link to re-submit your login then you can create your password again and re-join. It tells you this on the home page. Simples.
If that don't work let me know and I'll send it to you.

not so simples as they don't have my new email address on their system ! ive pm'd them anyway.

All cars and track installed. Ready to go other than the content access  :)

Here ye go http://www.mediafire.com/download/m6awcbfede355cq/Cheat+-+Unlock+Everything+v1_0+by+Dan.zip


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Mark J on December 28, 2013, 04:38:08 PM +0000
Top man Tony  :) will take the cars for a spin  8)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: BadBlood on December 28, 2013, 05:24:21 PM +0000
Hoping to make it - love Monza - but I am in bed with a nasty cough at the moment and I have been since Christmas Eve with little improvement... hopefully Epihany will be far enough off to allow me to recover. Then Clive won't have to be last! (sandbagger - he'll be up there...)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 28, 2013, 06:08:10 PM +0000
Hoping to make it - love Monza - but I am in bed with a nasty cough at the moment and I have been since Christmas Eve with little improvement... hopefully Epihany will be far enough off to allow me to recover. Then Clive won't have to be last! (sandbagger - he'll be up there...)
Sounds like you had a rotten Christmas break. Get well soon Paul.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: liveclive on December 28, 2013, 08:08:12 PM +0000
Geez Paul, sounds like you have had it rough my friend.   :(

Hope that you recover quickly mate (and not just because I don't want to be last!!)  ;) and you are at Monza on Monday evening..... I'll be looking for you ;)

It will be a while before I tame these GT's, they don't build them like they do in GPL!!!!


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Walter Conn on December 28, 2013, 10:41:26 PM +0000
Thanks for the advice. It has helped me get up to speed on the track. I still have not tried downloading XD, but at least I have the necessities.

I managed to install the cars, the track, and to do a practice session. I still have a lot of understeer, but maybe I should just slow down more for the corner.  ;)

Monday, Jan 6th does not look good for me, but I'll join if I am able. If not, I hope to join one of these races soon.

Thanks, WC

ps. Get well soon Paul


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Mark J on December 29, 2013, 09:55:39 AM +0000
Tony, the link you put up for the unlock file will not download, it says damaged or corrupt zip/arhive file. Tried a few times. Not heard from NG either


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 29, 2013, 11:08:53 AM +0000
Tony, the link you put up for the unlock file will not download, it says damaged or corrupt zip/arhive file. Tried a few times. Not heard from NG either

Odd, I just downloaded it from the link just fine. PM me your email address and I'll send it to you.

Or follow these instructions precisely

In Windows, open Wordpad (not Notepad, not MS Word, not Corel Wordperfect... just Wordpad - found at Start/Programs/Accessories/Wordpad).
You should automatically start with a blank document. Leave it blank.
Save it to your GT Legends game directory, but in this specific format, this is critical!:
In the Save as type: field, select Text Document
In the File Name field, put in the following with the quotes!
"TG2001.DYN"

(The quotes prevent the file being written with a .txt extension. The quotes will not appear in the file name if this is followed correctly).

Go to your GT Legends game directory and confirm the file name. Make sure you can see file extensions in your folders.
You must not have any extension after the .DYN
If you do, rename the file so it reads TG2001.DYN

Start GT Legends and make a completely new profile. All the cars and tracks should be available to you now.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: EvilClive on December 29, 2013, 12:27:47 PM +0000
Just had a couple of laps around the server again and noticed something that perhaps I should have noticed before.

I selected the "internet" option when I join online, but there are other options. which should I be using? I also suffered from a screen blackout when someone else joined the server?? is this normal??

Sorry to be an infinite source of useless questions but... I am old(ish) and knowledge is only assimilated slowly  ::)
I selected Auto clutch whilst I am learning about these cars and only discovered after about 50 laps that I don't need to lift of the gas when upshifting. I assume that if I turn off Auto Clutch I will have to protect the engine from over revving?? Which comes more naturally to me anyway.
We have a choice of Hard or Soft tyres, what sort of time difference should I expect, 'cos i can't see one lol!!!

Anyway I'll give you a rest now. Off to practice for LOOOOONG 67 GPL race at Watkins Glen which we are running tonight if any of you guys fancy a challenge??  ;)





Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 29, 2013, 12:47:36 PM +0000
Just had a couple of laps around the server again and noticed something that perhaps I should have noticed before.

I selected the "internet" option when I join online, but there are other options. which should I be using? I also suffered from a screen blackout when someone else joined the server?? is this normal??

Sorry to be an infinite source of useless questions but... I am old(ish) and knowledge is only assimilated slowly  ::)
I selected Auto clutch whilst I am learning about these cars and only discovered after about 50 laps that I don't need to lift of the gas when upshifting. I assume that if I turn off Auto Clutch I will have to protect the engine from over revving?? Which comes more naturally to me anyway.
We have a choice of Hard or Soft tyres, what sort of time difference should I expect, 'cos i can't see one lol!!!

Anyway I'll give you a rest now. Off to practice for LOOOOONG 67 GPL race at Watkins Glen which we are running tonight if any of you guys fancy a challenge??  ;)

We love your questions, it gives us know-it-alls a chance to show off.

Internet is the correct option.

If a driver joins when you are on-line your PC has to load that drivers car so you can see it, otherwise he will be invisible. You have a setting under Options/Multiplayer that allows you to choose when to load the joining drivers car, straight away, when your going slow or when your back in your garage. Sounds like you need it set to the latter.

See the top of this graphic

(http://i520.photobucket.com/albums/w324/wiltshire_tony/GTL1950s2012-09-2913-59-56-47.png)

I would suggest you keep auto clutch on but it's up to you. Cars vary and so do their levels of engine tolerance.

Tyre wear probably plays a bigger part in longer races. The soft options will give up on you quicker than the hards. Another reason to have XD installed. It shows tyre wear.

Good luck in your race tonight  :thumbup2:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Mark J on December 29, 2013, 03:43:52 PM +0000
Has anyone got GTL PD? I've got so used to using it in p&g and gtr2 that it's second nature to use it when practising and racing. Tried a google search but links seem old/broken.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: roguk on December 29, 2013, 04:29:54 PM +0000
Mark its here ... http://www.gt-legends.eu/MagicStuff//GTL/OtherStuff/GTLPD.rar


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Mark J on December 29, 2013, 04:59:38 PM +0000
Cheers Rog  8)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Mark J on December 29, 2013, 08:39:43 PM +0000
Managed to squeeze in some praccy before I depart  :). Managed a 1:28.7 in the F512 (with 15 laps fuel onboard) but no idea if that's any good as nowt to compare with. Car took a lot of setting up tweaks from the default to improve my times, dial out the understeer etc but again not sure what the ideal is for these beasts.  :-\

Good fun cars though, love the back end stepping out in some corners and they sound great  8)

Ps I thought the ffb and steering feel was wishy-washy until I copied my settings from p&g then if was night and day difference (using a Fanatec wheel)  :)

See you all at Monza  :thumbup1:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 29, 2013, 08:50:44 PM +0000
I would say that was a good time MJ  :yes:

Re: sound. Wait till your on a grid full of them  :punk:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Stefan aka Postal on December 30, 2013, 11:25:36 AM +0000
ooohh boy! A lot of renewed interest for GTL so it seems. Welcome (back for some)!

Quote
Has anyone got GTL PD? I've got so used to using it in p&g and gtr2 that it's second nature to use it when practising and racing.
Nice tip. i will look into it too.

About the cars used, there is also some nice background info on the wiki pages. Also did some installation laps with a few cars on default setup and managed 1.30's.

Quote
Re: sound. Wait till your on a grid full of them 
yeah, i tried them with headphones on. It was distorting big time hahaha. Looks like my whole family has to enjoy these races through the surround set ::)

Hoping to see you guys at 6th of January. Happy New Year to all.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Clive Loynes on December 30, 2013, 12:17:08 PM +0000


Sorry to be an infinite source of useless questions but... I am old(ish) and knowledge is only assimilated slowly  ::)



You forgot to add that said knowledge also dissipates quickly.  So you may need telling again. 

Anyway Evil me old mate, just one tiny step more and you will be in PnG land!  40 laps of Solitude tonight in a Capri. (No furry dice)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: EvilClive on December 30, 2013, 12:23:30 PM +0000
lol Hi Clive...are you out of therapy yet after getting me online in GPL?

....."just one small step for man, one giant leap for evil kind"



so what is this "small" step. I'll bet it ain't as simple as you think it is  ;D


BTW I am already drafting/preparing my apologies in anticipation of making a hugs cock-up in this Monza race tonight. These cars don't drive like proper (GPL) cars!! lol they have no "sideways" mode???


Doh!!! just noticed that this race is 6th Jan!!! why the heck did I think it was this evening???!!!!  :blink: Must not recycle old calenders...must buy a new one sometime!!!  :-\ so maybe a Capri seat can be warmed tonight...but somehow i think the stress of geting me hooked up might finish off Mr Loynes lol.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Clive Loynes on December 30, 2013, 01:14:06 PM +0000


so what is this "small" step. I'll bet it ain't as simple as you think it is  ;D



The small step is installing GTR2.

After that it's just a matter of downloading and installing PnG v3.1 and I'm sure that instructions for that are around somewhere.  Just can't remember where!   ;D



Race details are here:-  http://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=11990#event3742  


PS  Hristo put in a guest appearance a couple of rounds back. 
PPS  Just noticed that the race announcement is wrong and should say:-   You will need to install Power and Glory v3.1 from:  http://www.gplegends.plus.com/downloads.html


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: EvilClive on December 30, 2013, 03:12:53 PM +0000
see!! told you so!!

It isn't ONE small step...you lied to me again!!  lol  :taz:

I see at least 3 steps there, :yes:

1) Install GTR2.....I need to go and find that as I don't have that
2) download PnG v3.1
3) Install PnG v3.1

Then I bet, we have the fun of getting into a forum/lobby/server??? I reckon that you were being "economical with the truth again Loynes!"

But, never say that I do not try...off to see if GTR2 is on special offer online somewhere....... and don't complain if a wayward Capri dents your bootlid this evening!!


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Clive Loynes on December 30, 2013, 03:49:16 PM +0000

But, never say that I do not try...off to see if GTR2 is on special offer online somewhere....... and don't complain if a wayward Capri dents your bootlid this evening!!

Can't see anything close to Bristol but there is s bloke flogging a key to download it from STEAM on ebay.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 30, 2013, 03:52:31 PM +0000
GTR2 is only £1.49 on Steam right now


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: EvilClive on December 30, 2013, 04:35:58 PM +0000
just got it and loaded  ;)

2 out of 3 done and I can access the GTR2 internet thingy. Either I am becoming compooter litrat or it has to be idiot proof!!

now for that pNg thingy...but the dog needs walking first.

This had better be easy Clive!!  :-*


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 30, 2013, 04:53:20 PM +0000
Do you want a garage for tonights race then EvilClive?


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: EvilClive on December 30, 2013, 06:25:25 PM +0000
Unlikely thanks Tony  :-\ Even if I get things hooked up, I know Solitude from GPL races and it is not somewhere to "learn" about new cars and physics, and certainly not around people involved in serious racing!!

I have got GTR up and running ( did the bit about wupping the a** of the instructor around Anderstorp...what a wimp!!) but the PnG part is causing me grief.

It appears that I need PnG v3.1, but the download page says that I need to install v3.0 first?  However I get to about 99% of installing v3.0, option 1 with GTR being copied across ( several times) and I get an error message about "unable to complete" and the installation shuts down and quits. I did try and stuff v3.1 into it anyway but it won't accept v3.1...........any ideas where I am going wrong.

I just  :thumbdown:knew Loynes was lying!!!  :-\


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Clive Loynes on December 30, 2013, 07:05:01 PM +0000
LOL

Shame but it kept you busy for a while.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 30, 2013, 07:43:03 PM +0000
 :lol:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: goldtop on December 30, 2013, 08:50:55 PM +0000
Edit: Wrong thread  :wheelchair: :yawn:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: EvilClive on December 31, 2013, 10:36:26 AM +0000
Having just beaten PnG into submission this morning and read a few reports of the race, I think I was right not to get involved at Solitude or maybe a few more competitors would not have made it around the first lap ::) :scared:

So,  HA! to Loynes, your sneaky plan to challenge my lousy computer skills almost succeeded, but you reckoned without my dogged perseverance, my baseball bat and my bucket of water.
Now PnG is exposed to sideways driving and long streaks of rubber...muhahahahahah! and it will all be your fault, don't say that you did not know what was coming!!  :shifty:

Also found my way to the internet lobby, but thought it more prudent to resist joining any of those servers until I have at least driven a few laps somewhere.

I will move my endless questions and queries to the PnG forum from now on and avoid cluttering up this GTL area. There will of course be more questions about GTL here , but I can't do it all at once  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 31, 2013, 12:00:28 PM +0000
There will of course be more questions about GTL here , but I can't do it all at once  ;D

 :whistling:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Clive Loynes on December 31, 2013, 01:30:38 PM +0000
Having just beaten PnG into submission this morning and read a few reports of the race, I think I was right not to get involved at Solitude or maybe a few more competitors would not have made it around the first lap ::) :scared:



If you had picked one of the easier roller skates you could have started your PnG account with a class win!


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Erling G-P on January 01, 2014, 06:10:37 PM +0000
This is just too weird..  ??? ???

Yesterday I downloaded and installed the track and cars.  Then went to test some of the latter, without any problems (except the first Lola not working).

Came back today to continue, but now I seem to be missing half the track graphics!  The forest is gone; all that's left are naked tree trunks:

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a60/erling2792/GTL%20screenshots/GRAB_001copy.jpg~original)

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a60/erling2792/GTL%20screenshots/GRAB_002copy.jpg~original)

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a60/erling2792/GTL%20screenshots/GRAB_003copy.jpg~original)

I have tried the following; all without any effect:

- Exited and reloaded track

- Loaded up another track, then returning to Monza

- Restartet game

- Reinstalled track

- Verified all video/detail settings being maxed out

- Shut down all other programs

- Restartet PC

Can anyone offer any possible explanation for this - and how does the track look for you guys ?

Just noticed: In my screenshots, the trees are visible in the rear view mirrors!

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 01, 2014, 06:30:48 PM +0000
Don't suppose you upgraded a video driver?

Can you run the Graphics Configuration program again.

Start/All Programs/SimBin/GT Legends/Configure GT Legends


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Erling G-P on January 01, 2014, 06:42:40 PM +0000
Thanks for replying Tony.

No, haven't - intentionally - changed a thing.

Tried the configuration as suggested, but it didn't help.

As I may have a failing videocard, I wonder if this problem is a result of that.  Will try looking at some other tracks to see if they're affected too.

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Erling G-P on January 01, 2014, 07:19:51 PM +0000
The plot thickens...

Just tried replays on Le Mans 1970, Nordschleife Tourist and Snetterton.  All looked normal.  Then looked at one from Monza, and now all was back to normal!  ???

If it shows up again, I will try the other tracks once more.  I'm leaning on the videocard being the culprit, so better speed up my process of picking which one to replace it with.

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Erling G-P on January 01, 2014, 08:47:11 PM +0000
Bugger all..

Problem showed up again when I entered GTL once more, after hooking up my wheel again.  Replays on Le Mans and Nordschleife still looked okay - until PC crashed with blue screen.  Went back in after reboot.  Now Nordschleife also lacked graphics parts.  Reloaded the replay, which was now back to normal.  Then did some testing on Monza, which also looked normal again.

Safe to say something is seriouly screwed up.  Will try to acquire a new video card before the race.

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 01, 2014, 09:09:36 PM +0000

Safe to say something is seriouly screwed up.  Will try to acquire a new video card before the race.

Probably the safest option


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 02, 2014, 02:01:55 PM +0000
The practise server is running and except for Thursday and Sunday nights, it will continue until Race night when the entry password will be changed.

Please do not leave it until Race night to discover you have a problem as I will not be able to do much to help you.

You should test using the practise server, have an idea about which car your going to take, and know how much fuel you want for both qualy and the race.

You should also fully read the first post in this thread (the race announcement).


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Erling G-P on January 02, 2014, 05:04:29 PM +0000

Safe to say something is seriouly screwed up.  Will try to acquire a new video card before the race.

Probably the safest option

New video card is in the mail, so with luck I should have it tomorrow.

Fingers crossed it solves my problems.. :yes:

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 02, 2014, 05:17:59 PM +0000
Similar situation for me but with a sound card. I've been getting intermittent sound loss in multiplayer driving sims, mostly noticeable whilst on the start grid or when amongst other cars. Been using the mobo on board sound chip but now I've splashed the cash and bought a dedicated Creative sound card which will hopefully arrive Saturday.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: goldtop on January 02, 2014, 06:42:58 PM +0000
Similar situation for me but with a sound card. I've been getting intermittent sound loss in multiplayer driving sims, mostly noticeable whilst on the start grid or when amongst other cars. Been using the mobo on board sound chip but now I've splashed the cash and bought a dedicated Creative sound card which will hopefully arrive Saturday.

I have a Creative xfi xtreme music soundcard which was fantastic in my old vista 32 system. Unfortunately it won't run on W7 64 despite Creative insisting otherwise  :thumbdown: Tried again today to install it and W7 doesn't even recognise it as new hardware installed which means Creative's drivers will not run. Did some research and found it was a common issue and I failed to find a solution. Not happy because once you've used a decent sound card going back to onboard sound is pants.

Hope you have better luck Tony, but I would keep that packaging just in case.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Erling G-P on January 02, 2014, 08:47:25 PM +0000
Similar situation for me but with a sound card. I've been getting intermittent sound loss in multiplayer driving sims, mostly noticeable whilst on the start grid or when amongst other cars. Been using the mobo on board sound chip but now I've splashed the cash and bought a dedicated Creative sound card which will hopefully arrive Saturday.

Would be interested in hearing about your experiences with the new sound card - especially if there's an improvement in sound quality.

I used to have dedicated soundcards too, with noticeable better sound than the onboard solution, like Goldtop suggests, but have stuck with the onboard option in my latest PC build.

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: BillThomas on January 03, 2014, 11:30:57 AM +0000
Tony problem with 917K, have tried cars #3 and #23 and I get the not server screen.  I tried #3 over a number of days out of interest just to see how gt's setup for it worked; don't intend to drive it, will use 908 for Porsche drives. 

Since other people are experiencing probs thought I'd raise this as well.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 03, 2014, 11:43:33 AM +0000
Tony problem with 917K, have tried cars #3 and #23 and I get the not server screen.  I tried #3 over a number of days out of interest just to see how gt's setup for it worked; don't intend to drive it, will use 908 for Porsche drives.  

Since other people are experiencing probs thought I'd raise this as well.

Thanks Bill, I'll see if I can find a problem. Will report back asap.

EDIT: Now sorted. Some files had not been updated, my bad. Good spot Bill, thanks.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: BillThomas on January 03, 2014, 12:14:09 PM +0000
Tony problem with 917K, have tried cars #3 and #23 and I get the not server screen.  I tried #3 over a number of days out of interest just to see how gt's setup for it worked; don't intend to drive it, will use 908 for Porsche drives.  

Since other people are experiencing probs thought I'd raise this as well.

Thanks Bill, I'll see if I can find a problem. Will report back asap.

EDIT: Now sorted. Some files had not been updated, my bad. Good spot Bill, thanks.

Thanks Tony # 23 driven - not for me, 908 is more my style. 8) :rockon:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Erling G-P on January 03, 2014, 09:54:23 PM +0000
Got my new video card today; MSI Radeon R9 280X Gaming.

Installed and working - except with GTL initially.

No matter how many times I ran the GTL configuration and set my desired resolution, the game switched to 640*480 when it started.

Of course used the latest drivers, and tested with other games, including P&G V3, but only GTL had that problem.  Finally solved it by setting the Config program to run as admin.  So far I have not seen any of the graphics anomalies that's plagued me the last few days, so hope the problems are solved.

On the down side, this new video card unfortunately suffers from absolutely excessive coil whine, when running taxing 3D applications (GTL not being one - and engine noise overshadowing it anyway)

Some googling suggests this is not an uncommon problem, no matter the GPU or make.  Do any of you guys have any experience with this, not least how to possibly cure it ?

My previous card (HIS Radeon HD5750) had small amounts of it, for example when scrolling images, but not loud enough to truly be annoying. New one does it too when scrolling, only annoyingly loud.

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 04, 2014, 10:18:21 AM +0000
I have a duo of XFX ATI Radeon 5870's in Crossfire configuration and they are whisper quiet even when playing Bioshock. But then they are housed in a very soundproof cabinet.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Mark J on January 04, 2014, 11:48:21 AM +0000
Been away a week and no other times posted  ::) be nice to see some times from other cars. I haven't tried any others as knew with being away my praccy time was limited, besides, had to be a Ferrari at Monza after a week in Italy...spirito di Corsa!  8)

Oh and Buon Anno/Happy New Year to all my fellow racers  :sorcerer:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 04, 2014, 02:31:46 PM +0000
I'm getting 1:29's so would expect the  :alien:'s to be doing 1:25's?


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: SpecialKS on January 04, 2014, 03:33:00 PM +0000
HNY and nice new avatar Tony ;-)

Sightly under 1:30 in the Alfa so far - no other car tried.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: BillThomas on January 05, 2014, 10:44:24 AM +0000
Back of field as usual.  1:34s in Lola T70 Chevy.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: BillThomas on January 05, 2014, 10:54:58 AM +0000
I've had to dig out my dark glasses to read this page with all Tony posts with new Avatar.  :thumbup1: :devil:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 05, 2014, 12:01:37 PM +0000
Creative Soundblaster ZX card fitted easily, in fact the entire install was a doddle. Biggest amount of time was spent waiting for all the software packages that come with it to get updates downloaded and installed but all automatic and error free. Card comes with a desktop module that headphones plug into and has large volume control dial so adjustment can be made in real time whilst in game.
Here's a link to it. http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00A152RYG/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: SpecialKS on January 05, 2014, 08:57:10 PM +0000
Bill, I think I'll join you in a T70 Maserati - seems to be the most fun  ;D .

Times so far: 1:28,6 (512 Coda Lunga)
                     1:28,7 (T70 Maserati on soft tyres - but they will be down after only a few laps, especially on front left)
                     1:29,7 (T70 Maserati on hard tyres)
                     1:29,8 (Alfa T33)

CU tomorrow night.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 05, 2014, 09:49:29 PM +0000
Bill said he'd be taking the Lola Chevy tho?


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: chmichel on January 06, 2014, 05:51:51 PM +0000
Hello Tony

I' m in GTL multiplayer but can't find your lobby for today's race

Can u help me pls  ?




Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Erling G-P on January 06, 2014, 06:36:59 PM +0000
Quick question:  Are pit speed limits enforced ?

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 06, 2014, 06:39:42 PM +0000
Quick question:  Are pit speed limits enforced ?

Cheers,
Erling

Practise and qualy no, Race yes.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 06, 2014, 06:45:11 PM +0000
Hello Tony

I' m in GTL multiplayer but can't find your lobby for today's race

Can u help me pls  ?

I can see it. SimRacing.org.uk Mondays


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Erling G-P on January 06, 2014, 06:46:57 PM +0000
Quick question:  Are pit speed limits enforced ?

Cheers,
Erling

Practise and qualy no, Race yes.

Thanks Tony; wouldn't want to drive around with the limiter on, if I didn't have to  ;)

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Mark J on January 06, 2014, 07:12:39 PM +0000
Just to whet the appetite a little... 8)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxOepTjH34s&feature=youtube_gdata


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: chmichel on January 06, 2014, 07:43:55 PM +0000

Hey Tony

Im trying to send u a snapshot of my screen but can't find a way

can u gimme an email pls ?


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: goldtop on January 06, 2014, 07:54:11 PM +0000
"Special Notes: Circuit is named "Italian GP 60's" in track list.
Some cars offer a Modern Compound tyre. Please do not choose these."

Just read this and sure it wasn't in the announcement originally  :o

All my pracci has been based on modern comp and I don't really have time to change setups now as it would mean pressures cambers and ratios would be off. Furthermore, how can this possibly be policed and surely if everyone ran mods where available it would balance out?


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: chmichel on January 06, 2014, 08:22:48 PM +0000

Should I change something in my settings to be able to see the SimRacing.org.uk Mondays ????


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: BillThomas on January 06, 2014, 08:52:15 PM +0000
That was quick tried to avoid a couple of stationary cars and hit Armco and broke suspension.  ::) :oops:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: roguk on January 06, 2014, 08:54:01 PM +0000
Well that was a great race for me, rejoined server did one out lap on vintage tires then was disqualified. ???


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: BadBlood on January 06, 2014, 08:56:11 PM +0000
Pity. Somebody tagged me at Lesmo 2. Couldn't steer so I limped to the pits but I couldn't work out how to 'do' the Pit stop. Eventually pressed the wrong combo and ended up leaving. Pity. I was looking at steady 1:33-1:34 in the 312P :(

Ah well, least I can watch Sherlock now...(on iPlayer!)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Mark J on January 06, 2014, 08:58:06 PM +0000
total disaster for me too after putting it on 3rd on the grid in my WCM debut. Literally just put my race fuel in the car, exited pit window and you lot were already driving off for the race start and me a DQ  >:(  Isnt there any lead in time from qual to race? I hadn't even joined the grid  ???  Really annoyed as was really looking forward to that race  :'(

Stayed long enough to watch my new teamie in 2nd...until he binned it big time  :-X  Not a good 1st round for the Legends in the sportscar series  :-[


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: EvilClive on January 06, 2014, 08:58:58 PM +0000
I totally misunderstood the start countdown  :( I had not realised that there was a countdown, before the actual start countdown!) I should have tried a couple of offline races as well as simply lap practice :-\

So I lurched forward as the first countdown ended and presumably got DQ'd for jumping the start. Ah well, all part of the learning curve.....I shall know next time lol. Apologies to anyone who was distracted by my lurching and jumping.

A little disappointed to go out so early as the screaming Alfa seemed to have good pace, although it was not as fast as those Big Fezzas in the hands of the elite brigade.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Stefan aka Postal on January 06, 2014, 09:14:47 PM +0000
Well also a short race for me. After a good qualy by me and teammate MJ i was looking forward to the race.
Feeling a bit tired though and a slight drop of concentration left me with two wheels in the grass and into the armco. Somehow Ferrari's don't like that to much ::)

Must say, i enjoyed this one though. Bring on the next one Tony!

Quote
snt there any lead in time from qual to race? I hadn't even joined the grid  Huh  Really annoyed as was really looking forward to that race 
ehhm yes, that is what happend to me in my first outing last year. When advancing to race session you only got 30 sec to join the grid!
We will get em next time Mark, no worries ;D


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 06, 2014, 10:37:07 PM +0000
Replay and results now posted.

Lot's of unhappy drivers which isn't good. I'll try to respond to all comments.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 06, 2014, 10:42:11 PM +0000

Hey Tony

Im trying to send u a snapshot of my screen but can't find a way

can u gimme an email pls ?

[email protected]


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Erling G-P on January 06, 2014, 10:43:52 PM +0000
Very sorry to see so many drop out  :(

Had a great race myself.  Some dicing with Clive in front of me in another Alfa the first few laps, until I slipstreamed past him going into Parabolica.  Soon had Jules breathing down my neck, and had to concentrate hard on going as fast as possible, without making mistakes.  Only halfways through the race had the gap between us grown so much, that I felt I could ease off a tiny bit.  Not much prospect for catching Goldtop, some 30 secs in front, so no need to overdo it.  Inherited 2nd from Postal, when he went out with a bang.   Very happy about that position of course.

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Mark J on January 06, 2014, 10:45:34 PM +0000
in hindsight a restart would have been appropriate as we lost a quarter of the field at the start  :-\ but hey ho, spilt milk and all, though a 30 secs countdown is daft !  I was still on track when the qual session ended.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 06, 2014, 10:46:49 PM +0000
"Special Notes: Circuit is named "Italian GP 60's" in track list.
Some cars offer a Modern Compound tyre. Please do not choose these."

Just read this and sure it wasn't in the announcement originally  :o

All my pracci has been based on modern comp and I don't really have time to change setups now as it would mean pressures cambers and ratios would be off. Furthermore, how can this possibly be policed and surely if everyone ran mods where available it would balance out?
You right GT. I added that after I did some car testing on or around Boxing Day (26/12/13). I should have added a comment in the thread to draw drivers attention to this. My fault. Your right, it cannot be policed but the few cars that contain the option will have an advantage. We either allow them or rely on drivers not using them. Easiest for me is to allow them.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 06, 2014, 10:50:12 PM +0000
in hindsight a restart would have been appropriate as we lost a quarter of the field at the start  :-\ but hey ho, spilt milk and all, though a 30 secs countdown is daft !  I was still on track when the qual session ended.

I did put out a message "Fuel up new guys" or something similar before qualy ended. GTL always gives 30 secs. I cannot red flag a race because we lose some drivers due to accidents, which without having seen a replay yet, is my assumption of what happened to a few drivers.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 06, 2014, 10:51:00 PM +0000

Should I change something in my settings to be able to see the SimRacing.org.uk Mondays ????

I'll tell you once I get that screen dump


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 06, 2014, 10:52:12 PM +0000
Well that was a great race for me, rejoined server did one out lap on vintage tires then was disqualified. ???

Roger, I'm very sorry to hear this. Did you join the grid late?


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 06, 2014, 10:53:21 PM +0000
Pity. Somebody tagged me at Lesmo 2. Couldn't steer so I limped to the pits but I couldn't work out how to 'do' the Pit stop.
http://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=11812.0


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 06, 2014, 10:54:34 PM +0000
Pity. Somebody tagged me at Lesmo 2.

You can file an incident report if you wish


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: BadBlood on January 06, 2014, 10:55:39 PM +0000
I totally misunderstood the start countdown  :( I had not realised that there was a countdown, before the actual start countdown!) I should have tried a couple of offline races as well as simply lap practice :-\

So I lurched forward as the first countdown ended and presumably got DQ'd for jumping the start. Ah well, all part of the learning curve.....I shall know next time lol. Apologies to anyone who was distracted by my lurching and jumping.

LMAO Clive.... wondered who the numpty was  ::)

You can file an incident report if you wish

It was just an accident Tony. Just one of those things in online racing. I was looking forward to a bit of tag with Bill but never mind. Thanks for organising. Looks like it is going to be a fun series.

Thanks for the info on the pit stop.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 06, 2014, 11:17:50 PM +0000
Regarding Modern Tyres:

Three models have the choice of Modern compounds. They are the Porsche 917K, the Ferrari 512S and the Matra-Simca.

Can I ask for your opinion on their use please?


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: goldtop on January 06, 2014, 11:20:18 PM +0000
A shame about so many mishaps at the start of what promises to be a cracking series, but good to see a decent size grid  8)

I was in a bit of a panic coming into this as I'd not done any testing on the vintage tyres and neither had my boy Jules. I cobbled together a setup for us and just hoped the tyres would hold out for 36 laps, which they just about did  :sweatdrop:

Gotta say I was impressed with Jules' performance......about an hours practise for this having hardly turned a wheel this past year  :o

Already looking forward to Spa  8)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: goldtop on January 06, 2014, 11:34:37 PM +0000
Regarding Modern Tyres:

Three models have the choice of Modern compounds. They are the Porsche 917K, the Ferrari 512S and the Matra-Simca.

Can I ask for your opinion on their use please?

Well the vintage tyres actually had more feel to them imo, but the moderns were 2 to 2.5 secs a lap quicker here. Cars do seem to be more evenly matched with vintage.

Having said that, personally I'd prefer to have moderns allowed as it saves any confusion as with Rog this evening, but also the fact that it is impossible to police their use. We all have the same limited car choices for the season after all.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 06, 2014, 11:35:41 PM +0000
@ Matt. I have revised all of the future race announcements to state Mk3B/C for the Lola T70's. Sorry for the confusion.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Erling G-P on January 07, 2014, 08:13:11 AM +0000
I was in a bit of a panic coming into this as I'd not done any testing on the vintage tyres and neither had my boy Jules. I cobbled together a setup for us and just hoped the tyres would hold out for 36 laps, which they just about did  :sweatdrop:

So you were on vintage during the race ?

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Mark J on January 07, 2014, 08:34:30 AM +0000
I think we should stick to vintage tyres, don't let moderns be used for such a classic series. If anyones laptime is questionable they could be asked to submit their setup (which would be timestamped via the files properties before the race (8.40pm)...any file submitted with a later time or date than the race start would mean it had been altered post race and therefore deemed cheated!) Not sure if any replay files would tell you what tyres they ran so its only way to check.

The Fezza 512 had 'Vintage' and 'Soft vintage' tyres available. I used both depending on session. Still annoyed I didn't get to race  >:(


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: goldtop on January 07, 2014, 08:45:26 AM +0000
I was in a bit of a panic coming into this as I'd not done any testing on the vintage tyres and neither had my boy Jules. I cobbled together a setup for us and just hoped the tyres would hold out for 36 laps, which they just about did  :sweatdrop:

So you were on vintage during the race ?

Cheers,
Erling

Yes, both myself and Jules were on vintage for quali and race. We both quailed on vintage softs and Jules stayed on vintage softs for the race while I chose the presumably harder compound vintage.

Not sure how MJ's solution would work. What's a "questionable" laptime  :-\ Has the potential to create ill feeling if you ask me.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: phspok on January 07, 2014, 09:17:16 AM +0000
I couldn't find a car I liked, though we have used these cars before, I found they all had a mind of their own about
where they wanted to go, I reduced steering angle down to 8 on the 917K to get it half drivable
Anyway I got tangled in the bushes in T2 trying to give people room, and got stuck on a fence post that spun me round
into the way of following cars, apologies to anyone who crashed into me, my health went to 0 so I quit.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: EvilClive on January 07, 2014, 11:56:08 AM +0000

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LMAO Clive.... wondered who the numpty was  ::)

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LoL,  I KNEW who the Numpty was immediately!!! It kind of clicked when the first countdown reached zero and I dropped the clutch, then a big "3" appeared in the middle of my screen followed by a "2".........

Quick as a flash, my brain cell abandoned its task of making pictures out of the clouds in the sky and processed the available options. It decided that it was in fact a distinct possibility that I had cocked up the start!!!  :blink:

BTW should I have seen a warning that I had been guilty of a jump start??? or should I just assume that I was wrong and dive into the pits for a StopnGo penalty??  Is there a correct procedure for twits like me?



Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 07, 2014, 12:11:22 PM +0000
Is there a correct procedure for twits like me?

Dignitas?

I believe that if the system catches you, you receive a Stop/Go penalty message. Then you need to follow this http://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=11928.msg214835#msg214835.

Or you may get a DQ straight away. I'm not sure which applies. Anyone else know the answer to this'n?


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: roguk on January 07, 2014, 12:30:59 PM +0000
Hi Tony sorry did not see your special notice on modern tires, (Please put any changes in large red letters just for me  ;)) found them and used in qually knocked over 3 seconds off my lap times. Exit server then had to try several times to get back in poss DQ to me taking to long to load old setup and fuel.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 07, 2014, 12:36:33 PM +0000
Hi Tony sorry did not see your special notice on modern tires, (Please put any changes in large red letters just for me  ;)) found them and used in qually knocked over 3 seconds off my lap times. Exit server then had to try several times to get back in poss DQ to me taking to long to load old setup and fuel.
I've learn't my lesson Roger. Just because I write it, doesn't mean that drivers will read it  ::)  ;)

In future I will make a post for such announcements etc. Just gutted that both yourself and MJ missed out. Please let's (me included) all get our acts together for Spa?

I'm still in two minds regarding tyre choice tho  :-\

I do agree with the "keep it real and vintage" lobby but also worry about the effective policing and potential bad feeling this may cause.

Keep your opinions coming and I'll announce my decision asap.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Mark J on January 07, 2014, 12:38:31 PM +0000
did not see your special notice on modern tires, found them and used in qually knocked over 3 seconds off my lap times.

There could be your answer re 'questionable lap times'  GT  ;)  ;D

its a difficult one, cant they be removed out of the cars files somehow? Though surely we merry few enthusiasts that want to race this series are ethical enough to stick to only using Vintage tyres rather than gain a shoddy lead using moderns? Spirit of racing and all that  :euro:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 07, 2014, 12:41:24 PM +0000
I'll need to check the .tyr files if there are any. Then I would have to revise and re-issue the download installer.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Erling G-P on January 07, 2014, 01:33:25 PM +0000
I was in a bit of a panic coming into this as I'd not done any testing on the vintage tyres and neither had my boy Jules. I cobbled together a setup for us and just hoped the tyres would hold out for 36 laps, which they just about did  :sweatdrop:

So you were on vintage during the race ?

Cheers,
Erling

Yes, both myself and Jules were on vintage for quali and race. We both quailed on vintage softs and Jules stayed on vintage softs for the race while I chose the presumably harder compound vintage.

Not sure how MJ's solution would work. What's a "questionable" laptime  :-\ Has the potential to create ill feeling if you ask me.

Ah, I misunderstood your earlier post and thought you were on moderns in the race.  When you then stated that they were 2.5 secs quicker per lap, and race stats showed your fastest lap just being 1.1 secs quicker than mine, some intriguing math started churning in my head LOL  ;D

With regards to the tyres, I would prefer just vintage, as it otherwise gives a few cars what seems like an unfair advantage, but do acknowledge the difficulty of policing it.  Best of course if the option can be edited out, then there's no question about anyone cheating.

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 07, 2014, 01:45:51 PM +0000
Following a brief inspection of the Matra's tyre file it does look as if something may well be done to the Modern tyre.

I need to test on my home pc tonight.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: roguk on January 07, 2014, 04:19:06 PM +0000
quote (Following a brief inspection of the Matra's tyre file it does look as if something may well be done to the Modern tyre.) if not poss omit cars with modern tire options from championship.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 07, 2014, 04:54:04 PM +0000
quote (Following a brief inspection of the Matra's tyre file it does look as if something may well be done to the Modern tyre.) if not poss omit cars with modern tire options from championship.
That would not be a popular solution  :hang:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: goldtop on January 07, 2014, 05:14:53 PM +0000
Following a brief inspection of the Matra's tyre file it does look as if something may well be done to the Modern tyre.

I need to test on my home pc tonight.

Removing the modern compounds from the tyre files would certainly get my vote if this is possible  :thumbup1:



Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: SpecialKS on January 07, 2014, 08:43:43 PM +0000
Nice race for me - nearly without own mistakes - and a nice chase with Tony in identical cars  :)

Had hard front and soft rear tyres which barely mastered the distance.

Too bad that so many drivers had to leave during first lap.

Difficult question concerning tyres - the T70 has only the choice between hard and soft, the 512 between
vintage, vintage soft and modern compound.
I personally would prefer to delete the modern compound choice - if possible - in order to obtain equal
opportunities, the more as the 917, the 512 and the Matra seem to be the fastest cars anyway.

Looks to become a great series - although I had personal reservations before.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Monza - Jan 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 07, 2014, 09:23:47 PM +0000
We had a great battle Kurt and the best man won. I foolishly had soft's all round and the front left lasted about half race distance. Think I hit a similar booby trapped hedge as Matt cos it almost killed my engine but I was able to limp around until the last collision with the scenary killed it altogether.

Such a shame that we lost so many too early  :(.