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Title: UKGTL Season 14 Motorsport World Cup - Hockenheim - Jul 21
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 07, 2013, 06:52:17 PM +0000
Motorsport World Cup Standings here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=413&theme=5)

Grid/server capacity: 28

Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (24 laps)

Track: Hockenheimring, Baden-Wurttemberg, Germany

Cars allowed: BMW 2002tii Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/downloads/s3.php/gtl/cars/SRou_GTL_BMW_2002tii_1.0.0.0.exe)
                     Ford Escort RS1600 Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_escort_rs1600)
                     Nissan Skyline GTR2000 Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_skyline2000gtr)
                     Opel Commodore GS Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_opel_commodore_gs)
                     Porsche 911S Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_porsche911s1972)
                     Mini Cooper S KAD Works Download this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#post_mini_cooper_s_kad_works)

Get Geoffers Mini setup HERE (http://www.mediafire.com/download/6h742hka4il6q4u/G%2527s%2520Mini%2520KAD.zip)

Car restrictions: Three drives maximum per make. Check your status here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuS59xI7-YTLdE81OG1jQUtIb2lGYUZrNUNIY0VRZmc&usp=sharing)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal
Pit stops: Not required

Server: simracing.org.uk Monday
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
(3) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car
If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

Special Notes: None


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 Motorsport World Cup - Hockenheim - Jul 21
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on July 07, 2014, 11:23:29 PM +0100
It's the GP circuit  :angel:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 Motorsport World Cup - Hockenheim - Jul 21
Post by: Erling G-P on July 07, 2014, 11:28:16 PM +0100
It's the GP circuit  :angel:

Damn, beat me to it again...  ;D

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 Motorsport World Cup - Hockenheim - Jul 21
Post by: Tibernius on July 18, 2014, 05:07:20 PM +0100
After a few laps in in the FR cars my best time's 2:00.5, so I'm guessing the quick guys will probably be pushing the 1:57-1:58s here. Alarming, since the current lap record 1:58.1 was set in a GT40! :o

Anyone else finding the Escort to be porpoising like crazy here? I've tried everything setup wise and it's unmanageable on the straights.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 Motorsport World Cup - Hockenheim - Jul 21
Post by: SpecialKS on July 18, 2014, 05:33:30 PM +0100
I never liked Hockenheim - especially compared to the Nordschleife  8).


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 Motorsport World Cup - Hockenheim - Jul 21
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on July 18, 2014, 07:29:41 PM +0100
After a few laps in in the FR cars my best time's 2:00.5, so I'm guessing the quick guys will probably be pushing the 1:57-1:58s here. Alarming, since the current lap record 1:58.1 was set in a GT40! :o

Anyone else finding the Escort to be porpoising like crazy here? I've tried everything setup wise and it's unmanageable on the straights.
Didn't bother me when I tested it here Tibs  ??? but I did find it one of two slowest around here. My best time in the car I'm using is 2:02.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 Motorsport World Cup - Hockenheim - Jul 21
Post by: Tibernius on July 18, 2014, 09:56:26 PM +0100
Didn't bother me when I tested it here Tibs  ??? but I did find it one of two slowest around here. My best time in the car I'm using is 2:02.

It might just be unsettling me, and therefore my lap time, rather than the car. It's certainly visible in third person view though. Could just be I've got the wrong suspension settings though.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 Motorsport World Cup - Hockenheim - Jul 21
Post by: EvilClive on July 18, 2014, 10:10:15 PM +0100
As promised.. especially for Erling  ;  Update Monday morning.. at work, sun shining.......should be doing other things but..... ::) when you are the boss there are some perks  ;)

First practice session of 30 mins around this track tonight, which is new for me and I tried 3 cars, so about 10 mins with each.

Escort.. best lap 2:02 Reduced to 2:01, but that is about on the limit for me         used my Silverstone set up but it needs some work.
BMW.....best lap 1:59  This car is so fast and smooth for me that I feel I will be wasting it here, so prob won't use it  used my Montreal setup and tweaked the gears a little. feels like it has more pace if i can get my lines and braking points sorted.
Nissan...best lap 2:03   managed a few more laps and knocked a couple of seconds off..looking more like a contender now        This setup feels very solid and should give more time , but it needs a very different approach in the driving department  ::)

Others to follow over weekend if the fun warden allows me some time ;D ;D

Update SATURDAY another 30 mins

Tried the Opel  best lap 2:00  Think I'll save the last drive in this big car for another track   surprised because it did not feel that fast and was easy and smooth.
        Porsche  best lap 2:02    Not done any more laps with this one either, I need more time to get to grips with that pendulum on the back! felt like it could be quicker if i could get it into the tight corners more neatly.
         Mini       best lap 2:04  saving my last drive in this car too  but I was not driving it well and was losing time in a lot of places, so would expect to get around 2:00-2:01 at least

I think I know the track now and where I can push and where it bites back  ;) So, if I get any more practice I would hope to shave tenths off all of those times.
Biggest issue might be tyre life and which car protects them best at racing speed.

The biggest prob for any of the cars looks like the front left tyre, which takes a heck of a pounding through 90% of the corners


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 Motorsport World Cup - Hockenheim - Jul 21
Post by: Erling G-P on July 18, 2014, 10:51:26 PM +0100
As promised.. especially for Erling  ;

First practice session of 30 mins around this track tonight, which is new for me and I tried 3 cars, so about 10 mins with each.

Escort.. best lap 2:02          used my Silverstone set up but it needs some work.
BMW.....best lap 1:59           used my Montreal setup and tweaked the gears a little. feels like it has more pace if i can get my lines and braking points sorted.
Nissan...best lap 2:03           This setup feels very solid and should give more time , but it needs a very different approach in the driving department  ::)

Others to follow over weekend if the fun warden allows me some time ;D ;D

Thanks Clive  :)

Have yet to set tyre on track myself, so can't offer any in return presently.

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 Motorsport World Cup - Hockenheim - Jul 21
Post by: Erling G-P on July 20, 2014, 11:47:52 PM +0100
As promised.. especially for Erling  ;

First practice session of 30 mins around this track tonight, which is new for me and I tried 3 cars, so about 10 mins with each.

Escort.. best lap 2:02          used my Silverstone set up but it needs some work.
BMW.....best lap 1:59           used my Montreal setup and tweaked the gears a little. feels like it has more pace if i can get my lines and braking points sorted.
Nissan...best lap 2:03           This setup feels very solid and should give more time , but it needs a very different approach in the driving department  ::)

Others to follow over weekend if the fun warden allows me some time ;D ;D

Update SATURDAY another 30 mins

Tried the Opel  best lap 2:00     surprised because it did not feel that fast and was easy and smooth.
        Porsche  best lap 2:02     felt like it could be quicker if i could get it into the tight corners more neatly.
         Mini       best lap 2:04    but I was not driving it well and was losing time in a lot of places, so would expect to get around 2:00-2:01 at least

I think I know the track now and where I can push and where it bites back  ;) So, if I get any more practice I would hope to shave tenths off all of those times.
Biggest issue might be tyre life and which car protects them best at racing speed.

Did manage some practice during the weekend.  My times are very close to yours - slower in the Opel, dead on in the Escort and a little quicker in the rest.  All on non-race fuel though, so if yours are with race fuel, and/or if you manage to find a few seconds extra as usual  ;), you should have nothing to fear from me.   Still undecided on car choice though. 

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 Motorsport World Cup - Hockenheim - Jul 21
Post by: BillThomas on July 21, 2014, 10:36:27 AM +0100
Sorry folks won't be racing tonight or for a while.  Frustrated trying to get GTL to work through steam - various browsers won't do as they're told but for I suspect commercial reason give me unsuitable options.  Too much work around house and garden whilst weather is good to spend more time and energy on GTL problems. Have good race. :rockon:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 Motorsport World Cup - Hockenheim - Jul 21
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on July 21, 2014, 10:06:02 PM +0100
Results and replay now posted.

Tibs, the championship table shows you scoring points but you will lose these as you were DQ'd


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 Motorsport World Cup - Hockenheim - Jul 21
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on July 22, 2014, 12:31:47 PM +0100
Not a great evenings racing for me but I feared that this might be the case. Chose my second fastest car in mid week practise but could never really feel comfortable at this circuit. Could not find a smooth flow and I think my tinkering with the Porsche setup had not improved things as the brakes seemed to be all or nothing. A couple of offs into hard surfaces damaged the suspension and after a lengthy pit stop to get things driveable again I was a lap down on everyone else. Still needed the points so continued on till the end.

Next one is Hungaroring which I loath so I'll waste my last Escort drive there.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 Motorsport World Cup - Hockenheim - Jul 21
Post by: EvilClive on July 22, 2014, 12:56:34 PM +0100
First of all ... well done Erling!!  Sneaky move using that BMW but at least you made the most of it  ;) Dimetri was stunningly quick in that Escort, my attempts in that car were up to 5secs a lap slower!!

Postal used that nice Commodore and eased his way through to the podium after Tiberius was DQ'd by the track border guards  ;D

That left me with a better than deserved 4th spot after some hopeless driving at times and prolly the best I could have hoped for.

I could not believe the start I got in the Skyline, it just seemed to leap off the grid with zero wheelspin.  :o I just avoided the rear of Tiberius (?) and had to slot my car down the centre of the grid. Before I knew what was happening I was in 2nd spot looking at the rear of a fast disappearing Wiley Coyote in his Beemer.

I knew that I would not match his pace and I also knew that Dimetri and one or two others had more pace than me and would be looking to reclaim their positions very soon. I think I actually did Erling a favour in the early laps by frustrating Dimetri in his quick Escort and allowing a gap to build. The inevitable happened and Dimetri slipped through when I made a small mistake and quickly pulled away.
 
Then I had the relentless building of pressure from Postal and Tiberius who brought their battle onto my boot lid and I cracked under braking allowing them both through.
The rest of the race was a case of managing the gap back to Geezer who took advantage of some noobie mistakes by me to close the gap before I eased away again.

There was some great racing for me in the early laps, but some poor driving towards the end, none of which really affected my result as that was down to the misfortune of others  :-\



Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 Motorsport World Cup - Hockenheim - Jul 21
Post by: Erling G-P on July 22, 2014, 03:49:15 PM +0100
I think I actually did Erling a favour in the early laps by frustrating Dimetri in his quick Escort and allowing a gap to build. The inevitable happened and Dimetri slipped through when I made a small mistake and quickly pulled away.

Well you certainly have my thanks..  ;)

Early on, I fancied the Escort, as it seemed to work well here, and I wasn't significantly quicker in the other cars, bar the Beemer and Mini, and I didn't want to use the latter here.  Cursed the Commodore to no end in early practice, as it seemed like swapping ends under braking was a design parameter..

Initially on-line praccy suggested I could end up somewhere midfield in the Escort, but as people improved their times, I dropped like a rock to the bottom  :o   Could perhaps hope for someone screwing up more than me during the race, and maybe gain a position or two, but still a bleak concept.  Better save the Escort for another race then.

Had decided early in the series, that I would only use my precious Beemer drives, if I had an outright shot at winning the race - providing of course that such an opportunity presented itself.  Expected that it would at the very least require Dimetrio's absence, but when he showed up in an Escort, posting laptimes I had matched offline in the Beemer, I made a last-minute decision to use it here.

Wasn't going to be easy though. Managed pole by a couple of 10th, and got a good start, keeping the lead. Early on L1, Clive was behind, but soon replaced by Dimetrio.  Demanded my full concentration to go as quickly as I could, without making too many errors.  Early on, I didn't look at the pit board, as I focused on driving, and didn't need the psychological pressure of seeing a shrinking gap. Eventually curiosity got the better of me, so I had to sneak some peaks  :)  Was relieved to see the gap increasing, if ever so slightly.  Stabilized around 10 secs eventually, but Dimetrio kept me on my toes the entire race - the slightest slip, and the gap dropped.

Lonely race after Dimetrio slipped from view, besides the few backmarkers I caught late in the race - thanks for helping me past!

Very happy for my win, and for not having wasted my final Beemer drive, but oh boy, am I gonna miss that wonderful car!  :'(

Grats to the rest of the podium, not least Dimetrio, with unbelievable pace in that Escort! :blink:

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 Motorsport World Cup - Hockenheim - Jul 21
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on July 22, 2014, 04:42:27 PM +0100
but oh boy, am I gonna miss that wonderful car!  :'(

Prepare to welcome it back in Season 15  ;) (where it will not be the fastest car available  :detective:)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 Motorsport World Cup - Hockenheim - Jul 21
Post by: SpecialKS on July 22, 2014, 08:32:22 PM +0100
Surprisingly one of my rare good ones although I really don't like this track
and I had not done a single lap for practicing before race night.
Spontaneously decided for the Porsche, but remembered that I still
have lots of Porsche setups from my very beginnings years ago over
at GTLDK's LeMans series when I drove a Porsche throughout the season.

Good quali and a short but nice fight with Tony in the opening stages of the race.
Then the first of my offs, both caused by sliding over the curbs.
Was able to pass Roger when Tony had his first off, then had my second one but
again could pass Roger after another nice fight. Clean racing - thanks!
Eventually I was lucky to climb another two places through the pitstop of SortedGeeza
and Tibernius' bad luck.

Hungary is another of my unbeloved tracks but i'll be there  :)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 Motorsport World Cup - Hockenheim - Jul 21
Post by: Erling G-P on July 22, 2014, 09:37:32 PM +0100
but oh boy, am I gonna miss that wonderful car!  :'(

Prepare to welcome it back in Season 15  ;) (where it will not be the fastest car available  :detective:)

Aaahhhh, mysterious ;D   Looking forward already  :)

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 Motorsport World Cup - Hockenheim - Jul 21
Post by: Stefan aka Postal on July 23, 2014, 10:07:15 AM +0100
Enjoyed this layout of the Hockenheimring more than i expected. I already made up my mind that i would pick the Opel for this race, although it sure needs a lot of tweaking to behave itself a little bit. I thought i had it covered, until the game decided it would be funny to run without FFB from lap 9 on ::)
Had no illusion that i could challenge any Beemer tiiS drivers, but was confident i could keep a reasonable pace and hope for some nice battles. My start wasn't as good as usual; got a lot of wheelspin then lifted too much out of the rev range. Then had nice battle with Geeza and Tibernius and later on with Clive in his screamin Skyline. ( I am not sure if we swapped paint at the left hander where you went wide Clive. It went a little tight at the entry of that one  :P)

See you all next week!


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 Motorsport World Cup - Hockenheim - Jul 21
Post by: Tibernius on July 23, 2014, 06:10:08 PM +0100
Well, since my race history this year so far has consisted of writing a car off, 2 disconnections, a server/track related race restart, a race where I ran out of fuel despite putting 5 laps extra in and now a DQ for seemingly nothing, I think I'll go back into "retirement". Good luck to all of you for the rest of the season, maybe I'll be back for the next one.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 Motorsport World Cup - Hockenheim - Jul 21
Post by: Dimetrio on July 23, 2014, 06:49:45 PM +0100
C'mon guys, BMW 2002 is fastest car in average itself, but the "s" version with it's nuclear power plant is for girls in high heels as they couldn't press the accelerator to the metal. ;D It's just another class.
I can't say that I have squeezed from this Ford maximum, but it was nearly there, maybe 0,3-0,5 secs could be faster on ideal laps. But compete with 2002s is too much for poor Escort.
Thx for the race.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 Motorsport World Cup - Hockenheim - Jul 21
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on July 23, 2014, 07:31:13 PM +0100
Well, since my race history this year so far has consisted of writing a car off, 2 disconnections, a server/track related race restart, a race where I ran out of fuel despite putting 5 laps extra in and now a DQ for seemingly nothing, I think I'll go back into "retirement". Good luck to all of you for the rest of the season, maybe I'll be back for the next one.

Aw come on Tibs, it can only get better.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 Motorsport World Cup - Hockenheim - Jul 21
Post by: Erling G-P on July 23, 2014, 08:26:43 PM +0100
C'mon guys, BMW 2002 is fastest car in average itself, but the "s" version with it's nuclear power plant is for girls in high heels as they couldn't press the accelerator to the metal. ;D It's just another class.
I can't say that I have squeezed from this Ford maximum, but it was nearly there, maybe 0,3-0,5 secs could be faster on ideal laps. But compete with 2002s is too much for poor Escort.
Thx for the race.

Well Dimetrio, it may have been girly of me to use the 2002 S, but you're here, racing against a bunch of guys who're obviously as outclassed by you, as the poor Escort is by the 2002 S.  Maybe there was more than one girl on track Monday..  ;D

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 Motorsport World Cup - Hockenheim - Jul 21
Post by: EvilClive on July 24, 2014, 08:09:21 AM +0100
I can only speak for myself but I managed to chip the varnish on two ( YES 2 !!!) of my nails in that race.  :winkiss:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 Motorsport World Cup - Hockenheim - Jul 21
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on July 24, 2014, 08:52:24 AM +0100
What a chap wears in the privacy of his own home whilst sim-racing is his own business.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 Motorsport World Cup - Hockenheim - Jul 21
Post by: Erling G-P on July 24, 2014, 09:21:45 AM +0100
I can only speak for myself but I managed to chip the varnish on two ( YES 2 !!!) of my nails in that race.  :winkiss:

The horror !!  :scared:   Will we see you at the next race ?   ;D

Cheers,
Erling


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 14 Motorsport World Cup - Hockenheim - Jul 21
Post by: EvilClive on July 24, 2014, 10:05:54 AM +0100
The medical staff say that I could be out of therapy if all goes well, but whether I will be in the right state of mind to face another race remains to be seen.

Arnold has threatened that he will appoint Mabel as my therapist, so I think we can assume that I will most definitely feel miraculously cured by then!!!!