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WE WILL BE RUNNING P&G 3.1 FOR ALL EVENTS

Practice: 19:20 (BST) (60 mins)
Qual 2: 20:25 (20 mins)
Race: 20:45 ~ (23 laps)
Cars allowed:  Escort-TC (ANY), Alfa (ANY), Porche 911 ST2.5.
Track: Oulton Park (Classic) Download and install this (http://gizmo71.www.idnet.com/srou/ukgtr/tracks/SRou_OultonPark2005_2.0.1.0.exe)
Time of Day Setting: 13:00
Weather: Dry
Start: Standing

Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal
Pit-stops: None required

Server: simracing.org.uk BHC
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Championship Standings (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=433&theme=34)

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(4) Some tracks in P&G have no 'Pit Speed Limiter' function.If so, you may go as fast as you like in the pits, but please exercise caution. Penalties will be handed out for causing contact in the pit lane. Use your best judgement when making your pitstop during the race.
(5) Please follow the SROUK guidelines for using kerbs etc. Please keep 2 wheels on the track surface (kerbs do not count as track surface)
Excessive cutting of corners will seen as cheating and the results may be altered to reflect that.

Doesn't the 911ST fit in with these? Just asking....  ;)

Download link isn't working for me?

EDIT: Ah, I see it's not been finished yet.

Everything is still Work in progress Tony, I have to try and fix the links to championship standings for all series yet
I would like to use the event info pages, but have forgotten how to.  If you see anything broken and are happy to fix I
would welcome the help  :surrender:

@MArk  if the 911 2.5 fits then it wil be included. ANy of the current pages are a first pass at the moment, my mission was to create
the series (And you would not believe how involved that is..) and worry about the complete car choices later.
If you have time, you could do some testing at this track with various Escorts and Alfas and the 911-2.5 and PM me your times?
I always like to get more than my own times for reference when possible.

When we ran a similar event last year some people were having trouble with the track. Alex found he had to run DirectX8 to make it
work, others uninstalled any previous installs and reinstalled from the NoGrip original.
http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=15345

Championship Standings link fixed

Mucho grassyass  Tony, I see what needed to be done, thanks.

Car List Changed
ST2.5 is too fast for the Escort TCs, even with me driving, so have included Escort RS1600 '71 only as it seems a good match, the RS1600 '72s are too fast
in my testing. Anyone want to confirm with some testing PM me your findings please  :thumbup1:

Alfas are there because the 2.0 71 variant or the Volumetrico "might" be competitive for some.

Hi Matt, I've since then found out that my issue had to do with the number of tracks installed. Deleting one or more tracks does the track (as Clive one mentioned).
My problems were - in hindsight - _not_ related to the track.
Please disregard my previous moanings.

This may not be a problem but the track seems to have two names? It's called Oulton Park (International) and Oulton Park Classic. Are these the same?

No International is with annoying chicanes  :whistling:

But the heading says without chicanes?

EDIT: Ah, pennies dropped. Must be a 1960's version hence "classic".

Will try and do some test times before the event Matt and will pm my findings. (Didn't I test a similar car set at barber park?) Be nice if the widespread SBRC did likewise with all their 'resources'  ;)

So, just to be clear.....ahem! ::)

The circuit that I should be learning is the Oulton Park WITHOUT chicanes??? ( having spent several short sessions on the track WITH chicanes and learning how to bounce over kerbs, getting the gearing right and using the WRONG cars!! lol!!) :-\

The Porker is not available any more but we can use some, but not all, of the Escort TC's?

You can still take the Porche 911

I have missed a large number of races in December and January due to work and / or being out of the country and away from my PC. I hope to make this one and will fire up the PC for some practice tonight.

Done some initial testing online...

Alfa 2000gta 1:46.3
Porsche ST. 1:46.6
Escort Rs1600 1:43.3

Saw Niels do a 1:47.2 in the Escort TC so expect him or other quickish guys to get that in the 46's too and aliens to be a sec quicker than me!
 my tests were on full race fuel for the event. Only did about 6 laps in each so times are subject to improvement  ;)

So seems the cars are all closely matched with the exception of the RS1600 which is too fast by 3 secs!

Cars feel fantastic on this fast flowing circuit  8)

Edit: times corrected. :angel:

When I was watching that was

Alfa 2000gta 1:46.3
Porsche ST. 1:46.6
Escort Rs1600 1:43.3

Giuseppe was also doing 1:43s in the 1600 Alfa.

My best was a low 1:47, in race session with full fuel, using the 2000 Alfa.

Oops sorry yes meant 46 not 56  :-[. Well spotted and corrected Clive!

Wow that's a great time in the 1600cc Alfa by Guiseppe :o

Clive forgot to specify that I used Alfa 1600SA, the one with the volumetric compressor  ::)
The car is my favourite Alfas  :tt1: really powerful, definitely worth trying  :thumbup1:
The problem is that it has a small fuel tank, 60 liters, and to finish the race you need a pit.

Ciaooo  :scooter:

I also like the Alfa 1600 SA, so perhaps we could make Matt change the number of laps to 23 ?

Actually that will equal 40 minutes of racing


Stig

Sorry Stig/Guiseppe I think the opposite, if the 1600sa and rs1600 are 3 secs quicker than all the other cars available, then clearly they are too quick for this group of cars and should be dropped.
I think Matt plonked the RS1600 in as he thought the porker was quicker than the others but in times so far the 911 proved to be on an even keel with the alfa2000 & TC escorts.  The Alfa 1600SA has been a surprise as don't think any of us knew it was so much quicker than a 2L version!

A lot depends on, who's behind the wheel Mark. I wont get anywhere near Guiseppes times in the SA 1600,and Soggy's 'secret' setup-manager Erik Can do 1.43.700 in the Porsche. I'm pretty sure John and some of the other Aces can do 43's in the Porsche as well:-))

Stig

Ah 43's eh?....flipping ace :alien: drivers, seems I need to do more laps in the 911 then  ::)  so hard to judge the cars relative performance to each other when an alien can grab a few extra secs out of the same car  :-[
We need the aliens to provide car set test times  :)

Though that surely means an alien in the Rs or 1600SA is going to do a 1.41 as I managed a 43 in it? so perhaps my 'mortal' test times are still valid  :-\

What a way to burst someone's balloon eh?? 

The fastest guys are only doing 1:53's!!!! and I knocked 3 secs off that on my 2nd lap with cold tyres!!!  Ah! must have the wrong circuit, that would explain it....but no, the track is the right one. Must be the wrong car then?  nope I have the Escort TC!!............Wow!!  Did I feel good or what???...... :jumpjoy:

,,,,,well I did for about 4 hrs until I checked the forum again!!! :scared: :scared: :scared: :hang:

very much so. I was checking out the supercharged Alfa when unexpectedly the session changed to race and I just about could keep up with the Alfa 2000 once I stopped running off the track. So it's more the driver than the car.

tonight I checked the Escort RS which is considerably faster than the TC and handles better.

I could really do with some help on setups for the slower Escort but just as in real life, the quick guys get the pro testers and the backmarker teams are out on their own ;)

EDITED TO ADD:

There's a confusingly large number of Escorts available. Yesterday I ran the quickest of the ordinary TCs, today the RS but then discovered that there's also a TC FVA available which is closer to the RS than to the other TCs. Is this allowed as well? Unfortunately the server disappeared so I had to test offline.

?? I only have a couple of Escorts showing as available...  TC and FVA

3 Alphas...1300 junior, 1600 and 1600 SA

Someone has nicked the Porsche, must've left the keys in it  :-\

I am assuming that there are some downloads I should be looking for?

Assuming that you are off-line, as the server has vanished, you need to make sure that you have the car group set to PnG, ie all of them, not one of the sub-sets.


EDIT:  And like Niels, I don't really understand which cars I can use.  Is it any Ford with "TC" in its name?

Where's the confusion Clive? It says RS1600 1971 only or AllEscort TC's...simples.  :-*

I haven't memorised PnG's list of cars but I'm sure that there is something under the general heading of Escort that causes me confusion.  What about the FVA that Evil has mentioned?


And what about a word from Matt on the subject of which cars are still going to be on the list come Thursday!

Been away for the weekend.

Ok. I ran the 2.5ST 911 against the fastest escort-TC, and it was 2 secs faster, so I set it as any TCs and the slower of the RS-1600s
I got the slow RS1600s a sec or so faster than the 911 2.5 which mean with a proper pork herder it should have a slight advantage
The Alfa volumetric is fast in the right hands, (as will be the Porche) I can't really allow for alien time too much, I have to take an average
Are you sure you were using the slower RS1600 Mark? I will adjust tommorow night after I have looked at times, though I believed
I had a decent mix. If the slower RS-1600 is 2 secs faster than everything else for most people it will be dropped.
I was trying to get a different mix of cars than when we ran this event last January.

I don't care much, what the car-options are, as long as we all have the same options. Perhaps because I hardly ever finish a race these days ;)

I do think, that it's nice to know the options well ahead of the race. The only reason I asked about the Alfa 1600 SA was, that it can't do 27 laps on a full tank. So unless Matt changes the number of laps to 23/24 there's no point in having it on the list.

Stig

Yep. I hate changing the list the week of an event. I will have a play tommorow night and maybe limit something
I am not expecting to change the base cars, just maybe a variant.

I did some more testing and without making an effort I had the RS 1 second up on the Porsche and TC FVA which were quite similar. However I saw Ivan Stanchev match my RS times in the Porsche. The non-FVA TCs are much slower (as is to be expected with 60hp less) and the larger Alfas are understeering boats.

Thus, I cannot really say whether the RS or Porsche are out of place. But with the influx of quick drivers of late I'll probably have to take the RS to make the top 10.

OK
Thanks for all who posted figures.
I have reverted back to my original cars. Even the slower RS-1600 seems a bit too fast. so I have removed him.
If the Porka is fastest then so be it. I hear ya Stig, the Alfa-SA is maybe too fast with Italians some people
driving it, but for most people it's a handfull, so if you have the skill you should get the benefit of it
Lord knows what my times must have been, I just divide 2400/(my best time -2 secs)
I have changed the race laps to 23

The car list is now final

Not sure why people are getting confused with number of Escorts, You can use any Escort that is in either of the
two "TC" groups. One lot are 16v (FVA)and the others are 8v, and are slower.
You can use any Alfa you want, if you can get the "SA" (volumetrico) variant round for 23 laps then you deserve a medal
Actually the 3.1 version is much kinder to drive than the old 2.0 one, so is more likely to be used now.
I can't drive pork for love nor money, so I think it is a winner in the right hands, if like me your hands are not
fast enough, this is "unfortunate" for you  :P

So I can't use the Ford Falcon?

Well in bad light I think it does resemble an Escort, if you squint a bit and look the other way  ::)

Should have gone to Specsavers. 

Have a go at the 1600 Alfa instead; it's like a bouncy castle on steroids.

Looking forward to joining you all on Thursday.

Is it possible the weather could change or do I leave the wets at home?

The race announcement states dry so that is what it will be

Welcome Dave,

Good to see a steady influx of new blood.

Hope you have a good race.

Welcome David, always good to see new drivers arriving, have fun  :)

Hope we get to see a classic Alfa v Porsche v Ford battle here  8)

For any new members:
As a general rule, it's a good idea to test that you can log on to the server before race night, or at least
well before the race time. If there is any doubt as to which version of a track we are running for the race
then this will confirm the version for you.

I was on the server yesterday and noticed it was still set to 27 laps.

Otherwise, I was doing truly rubbish times until my PC crashed and I couldn't be bothered to fire it up again.

I found you floating in mid-air on the approach to Cascades.

sorry chaps, I can't seem to be able to turn a clean lap currently, I'm slow, I don't know how to improve and my heart is not in it at the moment. I was looking forward to tonight's race but I pulled out of practice. I'll have to miss next week's as well as I'm out of the country again. Maybe I'll be back on track in February ...

Have a good race!

Arse. Connection lost after 5 laps. Here we go again :(

Not sure what was going on tonight. Cars lagging all over the place xd with a mind of its own and then everyone disappeared  ???

 ??? Was going really well albeit near the rear, no problems at all then for no reason changed down instead of up ( a senior moment ) blowing it into eternity.   Will have to try harder, had fun all the same, lovely combo, thanks, Bob.

Well looks like it finally went phut. About lap 18 everyone froze, drove on for another lap hoping it may recover but seems like everyone had same problem. ::)

The server system went off line
I have only just been able to reconnect

I Ocould restart it without qual if people want to

OK, I have restarted it. if people have time we could run with no qual. just random grid

Shame, going well then saw three cars hovering about ten foot off the ground at Cascades.

Much the same as Tudor but I made it to half distance.

Had one off when trying to pass Dave Kelsall, who was warping all over the place.  Was slowly clawing my way back to Geoffers and Dave when everybody froze.  I can report that I passed everyone, some of whom were in mid air, and took the lead before PnG finally threw in the towel.

Didn't make it to the server until the last five minutes of qually due to having changed ISP.  I thought that I would switch over after the race but plusnet had other ideas.  I was on the server with Ivan for a pre-race warm up when it went kerplunk!!  I thought that it was my connection problems again but actually my old account had been switched off and it didn't dawn on me until almost too late.

Then I had to try to fit in a qually lap amongst people who couldn't see me.  Postal was my undoing, bless him, but he didn't know that I was there.

However, the underlying problem is BT's manky bit of wire so it really doesn't matter who my ISP is!  They will be getting a stiff email to sort it!

what happened to everyone? I raced on for the full 23 laps and had a list of 8 drivers at end but nobody was there or replied to chat?  Saw a load of disco'd cars on lap 18 but carried on thinking a few had connection problems.  ???

Race was awful with lagging and discod cars early on, spoilt what should have been a cracker of a race.  :(

ps...does that make me the winner?  ;D  though officially it showed me 4th in the list of 8 remaining drivers  ;)

Was a server disco, not any one person. I couldn't get back on as admin
I will postpone this event, and make it the next one instead.

The server is up for anyone who want a fun race. It will not be scored.

I call your dodgy bit of wire, and raise you - My wheel broke 15 mins before the race start, I dug out an ancient
sidewinder and plugged it in and joined while the race start was counting down. did a quick calibrate then jumped to grid
had not had time to map views etc. and the pedals were wandering around all over the floor!

Well everything was going to plan. My cunning ruse to start steady and save the tyres and engine was just about to bear fruit. :shifty:

With 6 laps to go I was about to unleash a stream of sub 1:35 sec laps and storm into the lead using all the engine power and tyre rubber that I had so carefully saved throughout the race....and then.... cars appeared to just give up, when they realised that there's was a hopeless cause and they just stopped on the track or floated about aimlessly allowing me to sweep majestically past  :w00t:
( and through) them. I think I was showing as 3rd before the gremlins caught up with me and forcibly ejected me over the armco and into the ether.  :'(

I am guessing I just witnessed a PnG server crash or similar? and not a moment of alien DNA taking over my reflexes???  ::) :-\

A real shame as I was feeling quite comfortable around the midfield with the Escort and enjoyed a couple of dices with various drivers until I was awarded the "Order of the Alfa" at Lodge Corner ( at least, that is what has been imprinted into my door panel along with a mirror image of the badge ) NP, it was a racing incident but I would have preferred to have had the option of refusing the award  ;).
 I found myself nerfed onto the inside of the bend and facing the wrong way,  figured that driving out across the racing line just below a blind crest might not be the wisest or most popular move, so I had to reverse back down the hill and spin the car on the grass, so that I could rejoin safely. All of which dropped me back to almost last place  :(

The next laps were fun as I slowly reeled in a couple of Porkers and eventually got past, but I suspect they were losing connection with the server at that point.............A shame because I was focused on finishing this race rather than setting the world alight, so maybe next time........ ;)

I don't seem to have missed much, then ...

Sorry though for those who actually made the effort to race and didn't reap the rewards.

LOL

Were you any quicker with this setup?


Don't think that your fingers are connected at all!   :P

Oh heck he's even correcting my typing now! Maybe I can install a Loynes Speel Checker on my PCs...
I was much slower for the first few laps, as the steering angle was too high for the little Sidewinder
managed to get it together a bit as the race went on.
PSU seems to have died on my G25.

Hmm, nor me.

Got no net connection at home because the persistent rain has got into the superfast-fibreoptic-internet-superhighway cables and shorted something out would you believe..  ::) They say it will be fixed monday but i think i may have to miss next week's race too.

Sorry for the server problems.

LOL!!! if possible I would like to install it myself... :lol:

For the race last night I also during the 18th lap I saw all the cars on the track freeze and after a while I lost the connection.
However, if you want to redo the race or keep the results on lap 17 is fine by me  :thumbup1:

Ahhh... no. you gonna have to work it all over again G R  ;D

So is this race going to be re-run next week whilst it's all fresh in our heads? Hope so. :)

I think that's the plan MJ but you know what his typing is like!   ::)

Ya just don't listen!
This has been moved to Feb, so it will still be the 1st race of the BHC series. Next week is the Disappearing Sports Cars series
at Barcelona. Then Aussie mayhem, Then the 2nd LCC, then the re run of this one.
I meant the next BHC event.

Oh, personally I think it should be next week then run Barcelona the week after that. Everyone's practised and setup their cars for Oulton and learnt the track, now we will have a two week gap  :(

Good.

I've done enough laps of Oulton for one month!

I Hear you Mark, but then I would have to re schedule all my future events.
But hey the customer is always right, so what's a little work  ::)

OK. So I have moved all the events forward one week, so Oulton is next week

Some of the topic dates will now be wrong, I have altered the subject headers, we will have to live with
the wrong titles until 20th Feb, when everything should be correct going forward.

Didn't you really only need to swap the two events around? Ie Barcelona and Oulton?  ??? No point buggering up the rest of the schedule and creating more work for yourself.  :-\

But good decision anyway, most racers will be happy  :) ...except Clive but he's hard to please anyway  ;)

Last few months i was really frustrated because my races was ended by disco so wasn`t even bothered to write my usual review.

Funny thing is that my connection can cope with almost 3 hours race on american server playing rfactor (historx) but not with 40 min race on european server playing p&g ... to be completely honest, last three races was disco from lobby and before that, i didn`t pay attention.

I know that gtr2 online code is worse than rfactor but ... could it be because of original lobby? Did you have similar problems using pilsbierbude lobby?

No I'm not.

You are just not trying hard enough!    :P


@ Matt:  Birkdale this weekend if you are in the vicinity.  Got new shiny bits!   :jumpjoy:

I needed to move everything because, although it may look arbitrary, the series run to a plan to try to not have
similar cars two weeks running.

We had similar issues with Pilsbiere lobby. I don't think the lobby does anything after putting the
clients in touch with each other. I am fairly sure the game data doesn't go through the lobby
TO be fair, recently there have been less discos than early/mid season last year.

I did an experiment with, I think Nik in Albabia ? and the route to him depended on which UK
provider I used, the one our server takes was less reliable than the one my home brewed server took.
It's not just you Ed, there are some UK racers who drop more than most.

Was Motor Club do last night, putting feet up Sunday CLive  :sleep1:

Hello guys, as we know, P & G is a bit sensitive and you need to keep it well.
First remove the additional tracks, just keep the one you should use, avoid saving unnecessary replay every time you close the game.
Need to check the various folders in dir \ GTR2 sure not to have double and keep defragmented the HD.
Make sure you have a PC efficiently, which is not too hot, clean dust that clogs the fans and radiators.
However council periodic disassembly, 7 \ 8 months, replace the conductive paste on the processor and make sure that the power supply can give instability.
I know that everyone knows, but I remember that before you start the game you must make sure not to have unnecessary background processes, turn off all program updates, antivirus, etc. ...
As a final resort, you can format the drive and reinstall the OS, and then GTR2, upgrade to ver 1.1, lobby patch, P & G_3, P & G_3.1
As for the internet connection, try to make some connection test ping and found that there are too many interruptions and latencies of data.
If there are malfunctions check all cables and plugs are in place eventually using a spray flux, and if this is not enough, contact your provider  :yes:

Ciaoo  ;)

Not sure the server is yet tikety-boo. I jumped on this afternoon and it was synchronising a bit then eventually lost connection...and I was the only person on it!

Ps if it really buggers up all your scheduling then don't do the swap around Matt, not worth the aggro.

The fault was not limited to this provider, it was at telehouse north in London on a "new juniper MX480" which this and many other
providers routed through. Supposedly it has been fixed, but they say we are "at risk" until further notice.
We may have had further notice, but I haven't heard, so I assume it's stable.

It's done now Mark no worries, I just wanted to keep the same order of series. Sorted.

Not had much chance to get on the server this week.  Is it behaving itself?


And who is changing cars for the re-run? 

Only been on server for the GTL race and that was fine.

I think everyone should have to take the same car they used last week. It's not an excuse to swap for a perceived better car just because the server was borked!  :euro:

I agree with Mark, those who raced last week should take the same car as they used then.

I didn't feel so well during last time, becuase i ate and drank too much for dinner ................

so in order to be 100% fair and square I shall now have to each too much all over again?

 ;D ;D ;D

Stig

And I have a new power supply for my G25, so perhaps I should not use it, as I had to use my ancient Sidewinder
last week ;D  I just grabbed the Alfa because it was an easy drive with the horrible little Sidewinder.

I think people should drive whatever they want, most will likely drive what was their best choice again.

Agreed. 

Anyway, I have been doing Barcelona practice so couldn't possibly contemplate coming to terms with a new car for Oulton.

yep, don't want you gaining any power/weight advantage  ;D

bah your too soft Matt. You just gave the green light for everyone to go for a car that was quicker than them last time! booo!!  :P

Well i was absent last week and not done any practice yet, so starting from a clean sheet. Where is the 911 ST in the pecking order here? I had such a fun race in it yesterday at GC i would quite like to give it another go..

Probably 2nd fastest car after the Alfa GTA SA.

but also the most likely to throw you off the track in a spin  ;D

Chortle.

IMHO the Alfa Sa is potentially the fastest if you can keep it on the track, the 911 is probably next, very closely followed by the 16v Escort
and then the other Alfas.

I would like to say that the real big bumps just before the second bend is totally UNAREAL in this version of Oulton.......This pisses me off........

does that mean you have a better version to suggest? Sure we would all be happy with any track improvement over those that get used regularly, if known about.  :)  But I agree the bumps are wrong, I did a trackday there in my own car last year!  :P

Me too, the bumps are there, but not as harsh. The bumps up the hill after the hairpin are nasty as well. This is the best version I have.

As a noobie to PnG, and still on a very steep learning curve I find the bumps present an added problem in setting the car up for the next corner, or compromising the application of wellie in some places. The Oulton Park track that I am used to in GPL does NOT have these nasty undulations and is smooth and user friendly lol.

Am I right to lift off the gas over these bumps to prevent the engine over revving? It is something that I have had to do for years in GPL, just like lifting between gear shifts. I did try nailing the gas a couple of times and nothing terminal happened, but was I lucky, or does PnG not punish you for having lead in your right boot?

Pedal to the metal Clive, all the way

Within reason ;)

There is an 'engine health' figure (which you can see if you use XD), but most cars seem to be very robust when it comes to over-revving. There are a few exceptions though, for example, the Escort FVA loses a few % of engine health each lap if I really thrash it, but due to the length of the races at SROUK it rarely has any consequences. Performance doesn't tail-off or anything, it just goes bang when it reaches 0%. The 911 is another one particularly prone to aggressive downshifts - I've blown a few engines doing that..

I think that it's a failing of PnG that it doesn't punish sloppy gear changes.

This version seems to be even more "Arcade" orientated than the previous.

Think that it is also related to the selected ingame damage settings...

It sounds like I need to get more aggressive with the machinery lol. I have been trying to maintain the "%" value in XD unchanged throughout the practice and races I have attempted so far, thinking that a reduction in that figure would reflect in lost performance!!!  So, as long as I still have 10% showing I still have a fully functioning car?

Years of nursing a 67 Honda GP car for 40 laps, keeping all of its V12 whizzy bits connected to each other, and within the engine block, creates a certain mindset and timidity about careless gear changes. Also, allowing that white pointy thing on the dashboard to ever get close to that fixed red line is hard wired as a NO-NO!

Looks like a certain Escort is about to get a rude awakening this evening!!! that does not mean that I will be any faster, just noisier and somewhat less careful.  ;) ;D

I could run the server at 100% damage if that's what you want, but we had some loud complaining   :taz: about
P&Gs damage model when it was first released, I prefer to keep it more tolerant.

Short and not so sweet. Got on the grass at Cascades and hit esc when I realised I was not going to make the corner to hopefully avoid causing mayhem.

Not feeling too great this evening so an early night methinks.

Great race till my steering wheel decided to unmount :D Needed lot of time to mount it again so hit esc. See u next time

 :)  Had a really good race, not on the pace in the Grp2 Escort but had a real fun evening, Thx, Bob.

Quite pleased to finish my first PnG race, and inside the top ten  ;D

Cannot claim to be a fledgling alien, as I only passed cars that were grass cutting or having a quick BBQ on the infield.  :-\

I still need to be a bit more brutal with the hardware as I finished the race with 90% engine left and plenty of green stuff in the tyre dept, and I had enough fuel for another 10 laps!!! There is such a thing as being over cautious I guess lol. ::)

Really enjoyed the race and tried to hang on to Legzy and his Alfa when he passed me the first time just to see if I could learn where he was quicker, but it quickly became apparent that my ambition might well exceed my ability if I continued to push that hard!!!  So I dropped back into my comfort zone around 1:46 and concentrated on being smooth on the brakes ( still my Achilles heel in these cars, but slowly improving I think).

Great fun and certainly something different for me to get to grips with.  

On lap 2 I decided the Alfa SA was way too easy to drive, so I smashed my suspension a little :-))

Had fun trying to keep Frex behind me, but he kept coming back and once he got passed, he was gone for good. Caught up with Legzy, almost passed him but was a bit to eager.

Nice to finish a race for once!

Stig

Only from the people who think that racing machinery can be smacked into all the close scenery without sufferring.   ;D

During practice and qually I was begining to think that I needed to find another hobby but it all worked out well enough in the race.

a) Legzy was a long way behind
b) I had a good scrap with MJ
c) Finished in front of Geoffers (and all the rest of the Kerbies come to that)

I had a nice gap back to Geoffers when I started to encounter some back markers and the next thing that I knew he was all over me like a bad suit!

Still, all's well that ends well!

Ooops! nearly forgot.  Congrats to Federico, Giuseppe and John.

Great race that, very tough in the nimble but edgy 911 and the race felt like an endurance event to me.

Qualified a great (for me) 5th, fastest of the non aliens!  :sorcerer:

Had a decent start and even gained a place from Ivan  :o .Pulled out a mini lead of a couple of secs over the chasing Clive and Ivan for the first 12 laps and was feeling quite content and hopeful of a top 5 finish. But then my cars characteristics seem to change for the worse as the medium tyres reached a certain wear level and Clive was able to mount an attack. We ding donged well for a few laps which allowed Geoffers and Ed to close a 9 sec deficit and before I knew it I was behind all 3 of them  :'( the car was now even trying to spit me off at Hilltop  :o and knickerbocker became a tad more dangerous!
I chased on fast as I could but my lap times dropped from 44's to 46's and I couldn't re-catch them. I had a safe 20 sec lead over the rest so finished a decent but also disappointed 6th in the end. :)

The car group was well matched here, good stuff  :thumbup1:

Congrats to super quick podium guys and all who finished   8)

Minimal practice, no qually but massive fun again in the 911..

Spent the first half of the race still getting to grips with the proper lines and didn't set my fastest lap until near the end, when my tyres were well past their best. Some good chases here and there, particularly with Stig - so many times though i would get too close and have to lift off mid-corner (a bad idea in the 911) and almost lose it. Good fun though.

Big apology again to Postal - your braking at the hairpin caught me out but i should have left much more room than that. Took you awhile to get restarted by which time we were a long way behind everyone else - really sorry about that.

Also had contact with Dan later on, but you were already spinning and i couldn't avoid you, so i absolve myself from blame for that one..!

Congrats podium, cyu next time.

That was more fun than the first attempt last week, spent most of the race in close quarters with someone.

Had a bit of a battle with Legzy & SuperSwift for the first few laps, managed to get away from them but had AnimalEd close behind as we both chased down Clive & MJ. Just caught up to them as Clive made his escape & after passing MJ I spent the rest of the race chasing Clive's Alfa at 2-3s behind. Didn't think I would catch him as we were both lapping at about the same pace, but when Clive encountered some backmarkers I closed the gap. Tried hard to force a mistake as that was the only way I was going to get past, the Alfa's slight straight line advantage meant I was never able to quite get close enough to attempt a pass & so I had to settle for 5th at the end.

Congrats to the podium & well driven under pressure Clive  :thumbup2:

Enjoyed that race & had some busy moments with a few of you 8)
What was a shame was that I'd done zero practice & just grabbed a setup from another track & had to just roll with it, which was generally ok but a bit too prone to oversteer, which indeed led to three (possibly four) complete 180 spins :(
Between the lack of prep meaning very poor qually & the unsettled car spins, I cost myself what could easily have been a forth place finish (ahead of Clive obviously :P) with the pace I showed sadly a little too inconsistently

Unofficial LapChart (http://www.justanotherpage.nl/Srou/PnG/GTR2_classic_2014_1_23_20_44/)

Apologies for the belated results.
Car broke down.

Dreaming again; take more water with it Legzy me old mate.  


And thanks Alex.  The gaps graph lets us see just how erratic Legzy's race really was!   ;D

Yeah thanks Alex, makes it nice & easy for Clive to see my fastest lap time :-*

Nah!   Couldn't spot it.   ::)


Think you may need a change of strategy.  The one-off banzai lap is good for qually, not the race.   ;D

Hello guys, sorry for the delay  ::)
For me, the race was difficult and challenging, almost all the laps John felt his breath on my neck  :fencing: and I have done everything possible to keep him behind but making so many mistakes  :sweatdrop:
In fact, I apologize to John for having obstructed so rude but they were mistakes because that I was under pressure  (John, I owe you one)  :angel:

See you in Barcelona  :thumbup1:

No worries, Guiseppe :) It was very close at times, but it was always 'firm but fair' :thumbup1: I had lot of fun, I'm just a bit annoyed with myself for spinning after I'd got past >:(