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Please note: changing cars during Qual is not allowed. Race with whatever you join qual with.

Qual 2: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 25 Laps (~ 50mins)
Cars allowed: GT40 Gulf, GT40 MKII, GT40 MK1, 906 -6/8, 906 - All except 6/8, Pantera Modena, Pantera BOSS, 911 RSR 3.0, 911 RSR 2.8
Porche 914, Cobra 427, Daytona Coupe, Ferrari 275 Speciale, Corvette Grand Sport, Lotus Elan.

N.B Car list will reduce by one car choice each event, the most popular car will be dropped from the list, if a tie, then the one with the most points of the tied cars will be dropped

Track: Barcelona GP  (Built in Track)
Time of Day Setting: 13:00
Weather: Dry
Start: Standing

Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption:  2x

Pit Stops: You must make a minimum of one pit stop during which you must take on at least 1 litre of fuel and/or change a tyre.

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There are:
4x Very fast tracks, 4x Medium , and 4x slower/tighter tracks
And pitstops are only at half the events

There are 12 Events, and 15 cars, so there will be a choice of 4 cars at the last event.
The Le Mans Finale is the "revived" version, and (force field on) it's the one with the chicanes
After the way the last one turned out I have no choice.

Rough guide to track Pace and which events have Pit Stops:

Faster: Barcelona (Stop); Paul Ricard;  Spa (Stop); Le Mans revived (Stop);

Medium: Melbourne (Albert Park);  Imola (Stop);  Interlagos;   Mexico 67;

Slower: Hungaroring (Stop);   Keimola;   Portimao (Stop);  Albi;

Cars allowed: GT40 Gulf, GT40 MKII, GT40 MK1, 906 -6/8, 906 - All except 6/8, Pantera Modena, Pantera BOSS
911 RSR 3.0, 911 RSR 2.8, Porche 914, Cobra 427, Daytona Coupe, Ferrari 275 Speciale, Corvette Grand Sport
Lotus Elan.

Marquess of Queensberry Rules?

Or do we have to climb a greasy escalator dressed as a rabbit?

Don't believe everything you read in the papers CLive. Normal event admin is easy enough, but creating championships, assigning scoring systems
making the event groups, and have the events show up so you can create them is great fun  :o especially when you can't create
an event until you have already created one... and then the page text has links that point at old series. etc etc
I love this time of year  ;D

I like the greasy Rabbit idea though. This one is less slippery, I just pull one car from the hat list each event until you end up with a small number
of cars to choose from at the end of the year.

Great car list for this track but almost too much choice n'est pas?  :o whatever car I choose will feel I am missing out not driving a few others! Should be fun and interesting format though  :) two distinct groups at least, will end up with an Élan or Gt40 mk1 race at end of season  ;)

Pretty well as you say Mark. Tony ran a series with this format a couple of years ago and it went well.
Some of this year's things are to reduce the amount of testing I needed to do, (either that or I would have to give this up)
this is one of them, where the competitors do the car choosing themselves. I am intending to make pit stops mandatory
for evey other event in this series to make the car choice not just about outright speed.

I will try to mix up the track types as well, so the GT40s are not always the obvious choice.
True for the first events there will be a lot of thinking about which car to run, it may be that some events end up
as a spec race as one car is so dominant, but no car can be dominant for more than one event, as it will be dropped
going forward. I think Tony made it so there was just one (EDIT: or two) car(s) left on the 12th event. I have left it more open
I might even add another car if it mixes it up a bit more. For now what you see is what we have. the next event
will not need pitstops, the one after will etc etc. The pit stop events will be a few minutes longer than the normal 40 mins.

It is likely that there will be more than one opportunity to run a particular car, it is only the most popular one that will
be dropped after each event. This is why I have included all the GT40s and more than one entry for 906s and 911s
so you won't just lose "GT40s" in one go.

We had two cars left in the final event Matt.

Indeed, I seem to remember no one was keen to drive the P1800  ::)

OK!   :stupid:

Can someone explain in words of less than 2 syllables some of the complexities here.  :wacko:

 " 2x fuel "   ??? do we have to carry twice as much fuel as we need? or is fuel consumption twice as much as usual??   or ???

Is there an idiots guide to pitstops somewhere?  Never experienced a pitstop in PnG, or GTL in my 1 week of experience, so I need to learn fast if i am to get 4 tyres changed in 3.2 secs!!!

The Clutterbucks will never manage that and neither will anyone else for that matter.

Seems to take about a week!

I thought that Erik (aka Jester) had aimed you at pit stop info in the Solitude thread?

You will be provided with sufficient wisdom via email.  Sufficient for what will remain to be seen!  ;D

Wot Non Evil CLive said.
the really good pitstoppers like Legzy have it off to a fine art.
I just leave engine starting as automatic and let the guys take their own sweet time, wastes a few seconds, but I never
have any trouble with stopping or getting going again.

2xfuel (and it may become 2xtyre wear at some events) means the fuel (or tyres) will last half as long as normal, so you need twice as much
most cars will probably not be able to complete the races without a splash and dash, though when it's an event with stops
taking a stop, however short, with one litre of fuel or a tyre change is the minimum and is mandatory.

@ EvilClive, GTL Pitstop procedure explained here https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=11812.0 Pretty much the same for P&G but you have Ignition and Starter buttons to map.

Some things that spring to mind about the differences between GTR2/PnG pitstops and GTL pitstops:

If you overshoot your pit box, you can't reverse back/shuffle around to try and get the crew to service your car. You'll need to drive round another lap & try again.

Don't forget to turn off the ignition when you stop, otherwise you'll wonder why the crew are standing there doing nothing. You can turn it back on and start the engine once the crew have finished re-fueling and have moved on to changing the tyres. As others have said - if you have no buttons mapped for ignition & starter then the game will do it for you, but it's a little bit slower.

There's no pit speed limiter in PnG. However, some tracks have a hard-coded speed limit. The easiest way to find out is to try a pitstop in a practice race. The game will limit your car to a certain speed on the way in & out if this is true. You can still get a penalty by coming in too fast though.

You can set your pit strategy in advance by going to the 'Advanced setup' in the garage screen. You can set number of stops & amount of fuel, but can't specify not to change tyres (they will be changed by default) or not to repair damage. All of this can still be changed on the pit board when you actually stop though.

If you have XD (www.vitumo.de) installed, you can change your pit options (including tyres & repairs) during the race.

Well that jus about covers it.

You can practice with increased fuel consumption by clicking on the "realism" tab and setting it there.

Really? Didn't know that. How do you work it?

Umm yes I have done that in GTR2 I think, you press "tab" or something and it cycles through the screens

My advice would be don't get any "how to do a pit-stop" advice from MJ!
I used to love the old days of him being a fraction quicker than me round the track overall (arguably/maybe), but we'd usually get at least two good fights per race as I'd pit in about 5-10 secs less than him (though I do nothing special) :laugh:

p.s. not sure he found it as funny as me, so I thought I'd mention it :angel:

I forget what the default key is (I've mine mapped to my button box), but once you find it, then it's cursor keys to change your selection. Handy to turn off repairs immediately after you get knocked, as I always forget to do it by the time the pitstop comes around!

Tip - pick a long straight to do it on, as it can be quite distracting ;D

You press \ , that cycles through the options. Its handy at the race start if you know what you plan to do with your tyres at the pitstop, you can set it up while sat waiting on the grid. I usually avoid using it while driving as I would probably end up off the road  ::)

I have to try this. Features that before were unknown to me. Thanks Guy's.

The cause of many a mishap here  :laugh:

Note also that GTL doesn't support this feature unfortunately.

"Race: 20:40 12 Laps (~ 50mins)"  ?

Don't think that adds up somehow.

Copy of previous event. I still have some finishing work to do on the pages.
Set to 25 laps, that seems about right. I may adjust slightly when I figure out accurate times.

Hmmm.............

Oh dear, extra pressure!  Got to identify the fastest cars and use them before Matt bins them!   :eek:

Sigh.... I can't bin them until they are used  ::)

Hopefully I'll be making my return to PnG@SROUK in this race. Work commitments on Thursdays are diminishing and it gives me a week or so to learn to drive with recently acquired G27. See you all in Sunny Spain.

is the release of future events in this series a secret intentionally or just that they are not known?  Bit hard to choose a car based on one round without knowing I might want to use it elsewhere. Quite happy if its intentional as stops everyone picking best cars for each track I suppose!
In my humble opinion there is such a vast performance and handling difference between the set of cars offered that I can predict mayhem !  A GT40 and an RSR heading into T1 will have vastly different braking points alone, hence why im not keen on wildly different cars all grouped together unless they are achieving multi-class points.

I haven't had a chance to try any of these cars out yet at Barcelona (though think ive used a few at other events here in the past) and I really need to get some laps in. :helpsmilie:
Be very useful if some ball-park lap times could be posted up for the various cars to cut down the amount of practise time in different cars everyone has to do.  :angel:
ouch, also just seen there is a stop and 2x fuel involved...makes testing all the combos even more time consuming! Guess this is where the big teams win as they can test more possibilities than us lone runners & small teams.

I think that the range is beyond everyone.

Our tester took one look at the permutations then ran away and switched his phone off.  (Sorry Erik, not entirely true.)  He has responded to requests.   ;D

Well....

This series is carefully crafted to put the pressure on the drivers rather than the poor underpaid servant who
has to go out in the snow to get the firewood (cars/tracks/times) only to be kicked like a mangy cur
when all he wanted was to be a shining example of selfless dedication to the sport. :blink: :blink:

Cough, where did that come from !  ???

It's ok, I'm back now. :smartass:

The reason that there were no more events posted (yet) was because I hadn't got round to it

Edit:
I agree, you can't choose cars sensibly unless you know all the tracks, so....

All tracks are now listed in the Championship page.
The full event pages will be done soon...

There are:
4x Very fast tracks, 4x Medium , and 4x slower/tighter tracks
And pitstops are only at half the events

There are 12 Events, and 15 cars, so there will be a choice of 4 cars at the last event.
The Le Mans Finale is the "revived" version, and (force field on) it's the one with the chicanes
After the way the last one turned out I have no choice.

Rough guide to track Pace and which events have Pit Stops:

Faster: Barcelona (Stop); Paul Ricard PTT;  Spa 2007(Stop); Le Mans revived (Stop);

Medium: Melbourne (Albert Park);  Imola (Stop);  Interlagos (Probably Later version);   Mexico 67;

Slower: Hungaroring 2003(Stop);   Keimola;   Portimao (Stop);  Albi 2009;


Cars allowed: GT40 Gulf, GT40 MKII, GT40 MK1, 906 -6/8, 906 - All except 6/8, Pantera Modena, Pantera BOSS
911 RSR 3.0, 911 RSR 2.8, Porche 914, Cobra 427, Daytona Coupe, Ferrari 275 Speciale, Corvette Grand Sport
Lotus Elan.

I just dont get it, what's all this complaining about?

The format is set
There's a challenge
GET WORKING AT IT!

Stig

Chortle, To be fair Stig, I set a challenge without all the information required.
But now there is enough info to plan your campaign  :tank:

If any of the tracks pose a problem with stops, the management reserves the right to move a stop to a different event.

Top work Matt  8) to be honest I preferred the lack of 'strategic' info as it suited the small team/privateer better than the 'Empire' like SRBC etc with their workforce of testers  ;) but good work anyway and nice line up of tracks  8)

Tried 6 cars so far and my laptimes vary from 1:57 to 2:03 ! Still not driven the GT40's and couple of others.
Fuel burn also varies hugely from 4L to 7.5L.
Although the grid 'could' look good (or it could end up with 20+ of the same car!!) I'm not sure how we can get close racing with such a large variation until most of the good cars are eliminated.  :-\

Good track for testing different cars though, quite enjoyed running one after the other for short tests  :) amazingly we don't appear to have raced p&g here? Or at least there are no record laptimes to compare against.

I managed a 1:58 in the RSR3, struggling with my nasty Sidewinder.
some other chaps were doing 1:52s in it....
Could be there will 2 or 3 sub races as people make strategic decisions
to save their fave car for later, be aware if most people are running a particular car
and you don't, then it will likely be gone, and you won't get to use it at all.

True it will take a few events for things to fall into shape perhaps.

What about that you can`t use same car twice rather than excluding by popularity?

btw figured out why I had discos lately. Seems that it is a bug in eset firewall (which was promised to be solved but no joy so far) ... as I learned hard way that connecting on internet without protection is bad idea, for next race kaspersky trial version will do ... 

1:52's?!!  crikey, admittedly I have only done about 5 laps in each and with 60L fuel onboard and meds as a sort of 'race' test, but even so..thats a flipping fast time! blinking aliens  :alien: :surrender:
saving their fave car bit is the bit that bothers me! there are certain tracks where I would really like to race certain cars (from a nostalgia/enthusiast point of view) but can see I will be forced into certain cars because everyone else has jumped in one and it would be dropped from the next round. Ah well, we'll see.
From a net stability point of view you might want to put a ruling in that whatever car someone turns up in they have to stick to it. Painful I know, but past experience shows that if people regularly hop in and out of the practise sessions it invariably screws up the dodgy netcode for the race.

ALA Eds comment, I think that is a better option and said the same in the GTL format race that does same. Though guess the risk with that is you still only get to use your fave car once in the series.  :-\

Same car limited number of times is nice, but requires me keeping records, Tony does that
for some of his GTL series, I need an easy life  :shifty: I am unpopular with the time I spend
doing this, I have to find a way of easy regulation, Despite misgivings, this format
has proved great fun in the past, it's not just some daft idea. I am not blind to the issues
but this is the best I can do.

I have found virus protection software does more harm than good most of the time
though there is always going to be "that" time. You get lots of stories on these forums of
people's AV wanting to update halfway through a race and them being dropped to desktop
for example.

I appear to be in the enviable position of being able to select any car for any race simply because, as a total novice I have absolutely NO IDEA which is the best car for any particular circuit!!

Ignorance is bliss they say  ;D

However, by the end of this series I suspect I will realise the errors of my selection and why I am at the bottom of the pile!!!  :-\


On the AV subject.... I run "EnditAll" before every on line race and disable my AV until restart. I have been screwed too many times by unwanted updates and interference from random programmes spoiling a promising race, so now I nuke everything and run just the important software...i.e GPL, GTL and PnG!!!

In my case AV is set to update daily (2am) but it was firewall issue "detected covert channel exploit in icmp packet" and it was asigned to IP adresses of almost all players on server (but not to all of them) ...

Few years ago I lost all data because of malicious script in banner on "safe" url ... so no, no internet without AV and firewall for me.

I use something akin to End-it-all and turn off Kaspersky for the race. I always run a full scan after the race tho.

I don't think I can enforce the stick with whatever you 1st login with, because, like the wedding
buffet, once people see what you have, they want one as well.
Is a good point though. Perhaps we say "whatever you start qual with is what you should use
for the race", and, I could restart the server just before Qual rather than just before practice?
Though CLive would then do prac with an Elan and the race in a GT40  ::)

I think this first race will be almost a spec race, so be it, but I am very much looking forward
to how this season will develop :thumbup1:

Remember there are 3 x 911 variants, and a 914, two lots of 906s, if a popular variant
gets dropped, there will still be another variant to play with.

I think that this would be a good move.  UKGPL have always run on similar lines.



As if!    ::)

Is a pitstop mandatory for this race or just "required" if you need to refuel and/or change tyres?

Pitstop is mandatory for this one and then alternate, so not the next one etc, only change is the last but 2 are swapped
so we get a stop at the final at Le Mans.
Thanks for the tip Tudor, Race page modified to the normal one for pitstops.

So............................do you have to change ALL of your tyres or will just a couple do?   ;D

Would be good (imho) if all drivers had to pm you with their car choice before the race - any changes mean points deductions..

I know, that means more work for you (bad), but it would be fun and spice things up a bit (good) and would prevent ppl changing cars just to match what everyone else has (very good). Might be a bit late to change things now though anyway i guess.

I think drivers making late changes is even better!

It's the car that starts the race that finally counts.

And any "idea" that begins with more admin work for the organiser is a non starter anyway.

No Tony, all allowing late changes is going to do is bugger up the server/netcode and make the race laggy, I've seen it happen a few times before. Not a problem if only a few do it but if plenty of drivers make a car change during praccy/qually I can foresee problems. Unless your confident the servers bullet proof? It was laggy on there late last night when me and one other driver was on it!

TBH, late changing was never a problem when this format was run in the past.

but you didn't have 20+ drivers  ;)

Seeing the pace of the rapid Italians here, we haven't got a chance anyway!  :( ...except John!  :alien: Im out before the race on Thursday so hope im back in time  :( but means no decent practise for me.

Tried the GT40 Gulf last night but could only manage 2:00 on race fuel and meds.

Ok, Like the idea of pre booking cars, if someone want to volunteer to do that cool  8)
I can't.

I have changed the race page to say the server will be restarted just before Qual and changing
cars during Qual is not allowed. That's about al I can do.

I have never done a pit stop in P&G, so I will need to study the manual for this one. I will almost certainly be driving the standard GT40, since I want to get as much race practice in this car as possible.

Having read through a lot of the posts about this series it would seem that the Gt40 is THE car to have. Which explains why I have not practised in that one!!!

 Not really bothered as I still need to get a feel of the hierarchy of the various options anyway, and racing in any of these cars is part of the ever extending learning curve.  :-\ So I should be pootling around somewhere in the rear end of the pack trying to keep out of trouble and the gravel traps.  ;)

GT40 Gulf is usually the quickest of them, though the MKII is better at long straights
I would be surprised if a GT40 was the fastest tonight, though I would have thought it to be.
This is a fast track but has a lot of twisties as well.
I have only driven a couple of cars so I am genuinely not sure which is actually the fastest

GT40 Gulf car is nice to drive, whereas the Mk2 handles like a barge! (something the GTLW boys are hoping to correct in a future patch)  Both would be immense on the straights here but think over a lap it will lose out to more nimble cars because of the twisty sections. Be interested to hear what laptimes an alien can do in one here  :)

I haven't had time to do any further laps nor even tested a car on full fuel nor a pitstop!  :(  so I might stop early just so I know if my evening is wasted once again by a cocked pitstop!  :P  In my defence I did nothing wrong in my last two stops on here but the game did weird things forcing a DNF  :'(

I tried the GT40 Gulf for a few laps with 50 liters and it was difficult to 1.56.5.
Maybe doing more laps I can remove one seconds, but I do not think more.
Then this is a car eats tires and I think it's best to use it at other tracks  ;)
With 911 3.0 things are easier, best time in 1.53.5.
In fact, I decided to take this because it fits very well in Barcelona, definitely F1 track.

PS: has nothing to do but I wanted to tell you that; while I was looking for an address of a friend who lives in Flagstaff (Arizona) where it passes the legendary Route 66, I found a street called almost as a famous team, "Soggy Bottom Ranch road "  :o

See you  ;D

Oh No!


They have found our secret testing facility!   :cowboy:

I would think that the RSR3.0 would struggle with its tyres over great distance. That certainly seemed to be the case at Suzuka. Not that it matters in my case. The GT40 MkI is the only one I am interested in for tonight :)

Password trouble tonight, but I seem to have finally bypassed ED209.

It is probably still the practice password until Matt changes it for qually.

906 -6/8, 906 - All except 6/8

Well, can i choose the 8 cilinders 906?

I don't understand it either Donato.   :surrender:

I think the answer is yes.

it looks like the 906/8 is being treated separately from the rest of the 906's for the purposes of removing it if everyone takes it - hence the 'knock out' bit. So, for this race at least, yes it is available.

You can choose any car in the list.

I have split the 906 into 2 choices

1: Any 906 except -8
2: 906-8

So a "906" will have two lives, you can take any of them tonight

Thanks! :D

Note to self:

1. Put enough fuel in
2. Change tyres

 >:(

Apologies to Legzy. I hadn't expected the Panterra to go that sideways. :oops:
As for the rest of the race :Worn tyres and driver but good fun though.

(senior)Dan

Just finished beating my head on the wall!!

Started pretty much at the back of the grid but picked up a couple of places as others experimented with the blade heights on their mowing machines. As the race progressed I eased myself up to around 8th place I think as other cars made pitstops or mistakes. I used hard tyres to give me the rubber to go 3/4 distance and fuel and gears  to match.
 I had my pit stop all planned out and was going for enough juice for the final 10 laps and some nice grippy medium tyres.

I got into the pits and bullied my way into my pitstall...after some faffing with the wrong key ( keyboard key not ignition key, well it was the ignition key but it was on my keyboard  :wacko:) turned the engine off and the fuel went in. Then Arnold and Mable Glutbucket sprang into action. Mable wielding an air wrench just like a pole dancer with arthritis almost took my eye out and Arnold dropped his bi-focals and could not get find his nuts. Well at his age what can you expect?
Eventually the tyres were on and...........ummmm...........and?........ ummmmmm..............oh yes! start the engine!!!   Oh Sh*t!! which key was it??  !!!!  Was it "I" for ignition........nope.......uhhh?    "S" for starter?  nope!!    After pounding every key on the keyboard I got out of the car and tripped over Arnold who was bent double still looking for his nuts. As I stormed into the back of the garage, not in the best of humours, I threw my helmet at the wall and missed, it hit Mable's ample bosom and bounced back catching me just above my right ear and rendering me unconscious.

When I woke up there was a piece of paper stuck on my overalls ...............with the message.......

Next time press the ruddy "X" key you muppet!!!!

No worries, cheers for waiting & the apology though.
Was a bit of a shame, as I didn't have the pace of the guys who went on to finish ahead of me, but I don't think they could have got past with the extra power I was packing :-\. Still pretty pleased to be first non-Pork 8)

p.s. Wow! Not just the Oldies above the Soggy Bottoms, even the Legends are ahead. Rare short lives times I'm sure, so I'll enjoy it while it lasts.


:P

Great post EvilClive, made me chuckle  :laugh: sounds like one of my normal pitstops  ;D

Great race that, really enjoyed it and felt like an endurance event with pitstops and different strategies  :)

Qualied well, setting new PBs and sitting behind the alien front rows. :)
Race start showed I really need to practise and improve my starts because despite keeping the car at ideal revs, I was gazumped by about 4 cars within the first 50metres  ::)
Spent most of my race in the top 8 and enjoyed a few short battles. Ed was my closest rival running about 5 secs behind upto lap 15 when I made my stop.
The pitstop went very smoothly, all done in 38 secs and I felt chuffed until I remembered my strategy - I hadn't wanted to take tyres onboard as my meds were in good condition!...my ace master stroke to gain places became a lost place or two  ::) but still slick for fuel and tyres.
To compound my woe I caught seniordan on the lap before Eds stop and it cost me 2 seconds behind him and I watched Ed emerge from the pit lane just a few hundred feet ahead  :taz:   Ed was on softs and soon pulled out a gap in the last few laps.
Finished a decent 6th or 7th, not sure which as the leader decided to blow his engine on the sf straight and I couldn't see a thing through the smoke until I hit his car further down the straight after crossing the line(please don't do that in future!!..others are still racing) don't know if Ed hit him also but he came up as a DNf at the end  :-\

Congrats to the Italian podium  8)

Felt good about this combo and was pretty optimistic about it all.

Just before the race, I picked a 911 with Firestone tires, and that was clearly a mistake. I had a little more grip, but unlike the Dunlop mediums, these tires couldn't last a full race . So instead of a possible 4.5 sec pit stop, I spent 25 secs there.

Got back in in the middle of the grid, but somehow driving errors kept sneaking up on me.  I dropped further and further down the grid, and my lack of focus finally got me so pis... that I left early to cool down by the use of a Tuborg :- ))

Stig

Glad to hear that Arnold and Mable haven't been pensioned off yet.

Have they put in a wage claim to cover their extra duties in PnG?

I've been through the replay, and Ed had not been lapped, MJ had and so finished just behind Otto when Otto crossed the line to finish
Ed was in front of Otto and pulled over at T1, but needed to complete the lap he was on to finish the race.
Not sure if it was fuel, or he just thought with the little chequered flag appearing that he had finished?
The little flag just means the leader has finished, you need to see the Race Over banner before your race is finished.   ???

I enjoyed my race in the GT40. No match for the top gun Porsches, but I managed to compete with a handful of other Porsches further down the grid. I had calculated that (barring mass accidents) the best place that I could finish was around P10. I was in that position two laps from the finish, and then John and someone else disappeared in quick succession. That allowed me to cross the line in P8, so I received a nice bonus.

On a side note, my first ever pit stop in P&G worked flawlessly. I changed tyres and didn't need to take on any fuel, since I worked out that starting with the full 159L was enough for the race.

EDIT: On a side note......bye, bye Porsche RSR3.0 ;D

Not necessarily a mistake, Stig. I tried to make it on medium Dunlops without changing, but given the chance again I would have taken the soft Firestones and changed - just like the top three did. If I hadn't run out of fuel I'd have probably been able to finish in P3 just in front of Giuseppe, but it still would have been a long way behind Otto. If a pitstop wasn't enforced then it would have been a lot closer on meds not changing, but when we have to stop it makes sense to go with the softs. Hindsight is a wonderful thing...

I'm away next week, have fun on the mountain everyone :)

 :'(  Sorry to miss the race, unavoidable, hope to be with you all next week.

Unofficial LapChart (http://www.justanotherpage.nl/Srou/PnG/GTR2_Barcelona_2014_1_30_20_46/)

Lol EvilClive  ;D So that was the round dented object I had to evade during my late pitstop.
But what's with the little pink flowers?

Nice steady race after some lesser steady races. Nice view on the smoking Porsches. No wonder the tyres wouldn't last.
I could do a full endurance on my Dunlops.. :-\

@Evil,

Since I moved away from good old GPL I had sort of lost sight of you. I am so glad we meet again here at P&G. Keep them coming your race reports,please. I can't tell you how much I enjoy them. :laugh: ;D :D :clown: :thumbup1: :clap:  Though not everyone seems to agree SBRC are a great team. And we even have two witty Clives now! - Did I say two ??

On a side note. Last week I removed Grand Prix Legends from my Pc. It had been there since the day it first came out and I bought it (1998?). Couldn't help becoming a bit emotional and I am still not sure if I did the right thing.
Ah well....

Ready for the next race and your report (and a pint and good cigar)....

Cheers, (Senior)Dan

EvilClive is also a welcome addition to the Monday night GTL grids and very well he's doing too.

Still room for a few more old GPL'ers  :yes:

Good to see that you are still sim racing Dan, you were always a gentleman on the track in GPL and great fun to race against. It seems you are a bit too quick for me here, and all I see is your tailpipes vanishing into the distance.  :-\  But race by race, those distant tailpipes are getting bigger  ;)

I find GTL and PnG fun in a different way so far, they are enjoyable and I am having to adapt to the differences of the cars and the physics...but it is definitely fun  ;D To be honest, I may have taken on too much too soon with all the new stuff in PnG and GTL....so many cars and new tracks......new physics...setups etc. that all seem strange to me.

Now I discover that although I thought that the 4 Porsche 911 3.0ltr options listed just had different paint schemes, but were the same car underneath...oh no! they are all actually different cars and perform differently!! How sneaky is that??!!

For me, GPL is still the biggest challenge, although I have only been using it since 1999, I have promised myself that one day if I get good at it, then I might retire::) .

Same cars with bhp and torque specs Clive, just 3 different tyre brands available. I thought the aliens would be driving the '76 Goodyear shod car personally, surprised to hear a Firestone one has more grip  :-\

Didn't think I could get softs to last with the heavier 2x fuel load so opted for mediums on my 911 but it cost me in race lap pace compared to qually where I was always just 3/10ths behind Geoffers.

I used the mediums in the race too Mark, didn't change them just topped up with fuel at the pitstop. I wasn't much faster with the soft tyres, guess I needed more setup changes to make the most of them. Although they seemed better out of the corners they felt less stable into the corners & I wasn't able to attack the corners as much. Still I was well pleased with my race, much better than the last time in the 3.0RSR at Suzuka where I struggled to get in the top 15.

Not all of the 3.0RSRs have the same power, there are 2 or 3 that have an extra 9bhp, but I think the tyres make more difference.

Didn't even know that! Sure I flicked through most of them once without seeing any different specs  :-\ learn something new everyday! I always pick the ones I like the look of or are most iconic  :P

Really don`t know what happened. After finish line i saw checkered flag in my upper left corner (i know what that means) but no more timing for cars in front/behind so I stopped and hit esc thinking that I lost connection again ... but that was not the case and, looking on the bright side, finally finished the race without disco ...

About tires - not completely accurate. Soft Firestones are fastest comparing to other softs, but situation is different for meds and hards. The best meds are Goodyears and the best hards are Dunlops.

Unlucky Ed, you must try to remember that the race isnt over till Clive starts singing ;)
But thanks for the tyres tips :)

 :lol:

I have no reason to doubt those who have years more experience than me about these things. it seems that even Mark was unaware of the differences?
But, I was curious and idly wondering about this. If we are talking a couple of tenths per lap difference between various cars, is that really an accurate and objective assessment?  2 or 3 secs a lap would be a clear demonstration of one car's superiority over another, but a couple of tenths??  :-\

Yes, I can understand that, in theory at least, an extra 9bhp should make a difference and I can see how tyres that offer up more grip would improve things. But even aliens would expect to see lap times vary by a couple of tenths from lap to lap in the same car, otherwise this would be a VERY boring Sim!! ;)

Without knowing enough about the cars here I guess I am just playing devil's advocate.. and I wonder if the physics of these cars gives one 9bhp more and another 0.001% better handling, just to even things out. So that it is all about how that car is driven that determines if you get better lap times in one or the other?

Just my brain cell struggling to understand things around here

But i did wait for Clive ... or is it other Clive that i must wait?  ???

It is confusing now with two Clives ...  :blink:

Ah, but are there really two Clives or is it just the next stage of Clive's plan for world domination?  ???

Very soon we will all have to change our name to Clive, or suffer the consequences!  :o

Those old enough might be reminded of a Monty Pythom sketch set in the Australian University of Woolloomooloo where everyone was called Bruce except for the hapless newcomer who was asked if he wouldn't mind changing his name to Bruce "to avoid confusion".  :laugh:

Quite right!

I try never to utter a word on the chat until the last bloke has crossed the line!    :angel:

On this occasion I was long gone as I didn't make it to the end of lap two before my connection had failed.  Turned out to be down to a dodgy phone socket!!  Haven't replaced it yet but have wiggled the plug about to get a good connection.   ::)

I'm Clive, and so's my wife   ::)

I didn't even know that we had got married !! Why didn't Clive tell me???
I thought that I had merely joined PnG, not that I had been joined BY PnG!!!