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Season 26 Works Trophy, Round 2, Snetterton

Welcome back to the senior division of UKGPL. The Works Trophy.

After a terrific start at the dips and hollows of Brands Hatch we move to the flat ground of Norfolk. Our racetrack is Snetterton. Snetterton is a 1967 Formula Two rank track built, like Silverstone, on a former airfield with long flat straights & relatively quick corners including the brilliantly named “Bomb Hole”.

As always, we will run Pro Damage, so resets are not allowed.

Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL_GPG
IP address = 62.195.2.111
Race date = 26-01-2014
Race Time = race starts at 21:30 UK time
Qualifying Time = Between 30 and 60 minutes, starting no later than 21:00 UK time
Track = Snetterton (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/tracks/Snetterton/)
Variant = 67F1
Damage Model = PRO
Race length = 50 minutes (laps 35)
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Replays Available here (http://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/inc_replaysS26_js.aspx)

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=427&theme=6)

The full time drivers can start to practice as soon as the server is available.  Reserve drivers can also join as soon as the server becomes available but must leave the server with 35 minutes of qualifying left, for a total of 5 minutes; this will allow any remaining full timers to join.  If there is enough space on the grid, the reserve drivers will be able to rejoin when there are 30 mins of qualifying left. 

Moderating The red zone will be fully moderated for lap 1 only. For this event the red zone will be from the start to the exit of Bombhole. Other moderation will be on reported incidents only.  However any incidents that occur in the red zone that are not reported by the drivers will be reported by the moderator.  This will allow all affected drivers the opportunity to present their case before the incident is moderated.  This should ensure there are no surprises when the moderator's report is published and hence appeals will be less likely.  If you haven't received a PM about an incident before the link below the results table is removed, you can be sure that you will not appear in the moderator's report.

The chassis token system is explained on the Works (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=427&theme=6) standings page. Please ensure you choose a chassis that is within your budget, which can be seen by hovering the mouse over your points total in the standings.

Please restrict chat to pit messages including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Looking forward to this round!


Unfortunately hovering the mouse over my points total in the standings does not show me the tokens. I know I have 5, but it would be easy if this could be fixed :) .

I will ask the guru of the tables (Dave Gymer) to look at that.

Thanks Paul :) .

Thank you Paul and Dave for the fix! Much appreciated :) . And in such short notice as well  :rockon:

All Dave's work. Thanks for pointing it out.

Doesn't work for the guys without points. Prolly there must be a number in the total standings cell (like 0.0 for those without points!?). Cheers :)

You are quite right Robert.

I was waiting for Dave to confirm that the tokens are spent whether you score points or not. The tell-tale can only show if the 'Total Points' column is populated.

SOOO. If you want a reminder of your tokens, score some points!

Hi :)

for those who have no point like me  ;D , (whith a not so good English :'( )......can you tell me whitch car I can drive in Snetterton , 'cause I'm not shure of my Tockens ?
....how mutch cost to repair my car from Brands ?....or is it allready fix ?....

thx

Hi, Tristan.  By my count, you are currently sitting with 20 tokens.  No damage is assessed as per the oAo.

You drove a Brabham BT24 at Brands.  Cost = 10 tokens.  You gained 10 tokens by starting.  Your account started with 20 tokens.  So...

You're back where you started.  20 tokens.  You may drive any chassis.

Yes Tristan you've got 20 tokens if you start next race. In any case, any car up to and including the Brabham car be run in every round without the risk of running out of tokens. If you want to drive the Ferrari, Eagle or Lotus you'll have to save up some tokens by taking a slower car the race before.

I want to drive the Ferrari at the Nürburgring, so I'll have to take the BRM here in order to have enough tokens to drive the Fez there.

Used to be pretty competitive with the Honda and Brabham here in the past, remember losing a leaguerace in the Honda destroying the camshaft once again, in the last lap.

Just did a first session, I'm lost. Switching between the mods (especially 65) back to 67 it's like driving on ice with less grip and way more torque. Prolly will take the Cooper again just to be safe...no expectations, just want to finish and have fun...

Second session went better, started with clean sheet from default in the Brabham, as I lost most of my old GPL setups. Pretty happy so far, only have to drive clean and smooth in order to manage the tiretemps...

Thx Doni & Tom  ;)

well if I anderstand well , if I take the Lotus at Snetterton, cost me 20 tockens and I will have zero Tolkens for the next race at Nurbur. ? and have to drive the BRM !? ....but I get 10 Tockens for start the Nurbur race ??.....""with a further 10 tokens for each race they start""....so if I get zero after starting Snetterton race.......Iwill ever receive 10 new Tolkens for the next race at Nurb !!??

questions :1/ how to win Tockens ( exept by  starting a race ) ?......and how to loose Tolkens ?.....
              :2/ as long as you have no point at the champ, you'll still have 20 Tolkens to race the next race ??
              :3/if I choise the Lotus and finish the race, shall I keep it or I have to choose a car again for the next race ? I mean , the count are back to zero afterr hitch race ?

If you race in the first five races you get ten tokens 'free'. For each race where you pass the start line in the race, you get 10 more tokens.  So you can afford the Lotus for the first race but you could then only race in a car costing less then ten tokens. You can ALWAYS afford the Brabham and lesser cars. You have to save up for the Ferrari, Eagle and Lotus.

No points in the championship does not affect your token spend, you just can't see it in the table automatically.

So you gain ten tokens by starting a race and spend tokens by qualifying or starting a race with a specific chassis.

You cannot race the Lotus for two races in a row.

I did not know about this rule. Does it apply to the privateers? Thanks, Walter

Yes Walter.  Each race start = + 10 tokens   Charge for car = 0 min, and 20 max.
It is helpful to make explanations simple. 

iv done a spreadsheet and worked all out in advance. lol
how dull am I.


Edit, I intend to save up and use the lotus 3 times in row :)

It isn't a rule Walt. It is token value. The maths does not work

You have 20 tokens at the start and take the Lotus. At the end of the race you have 0 tokens. Next race you get ten tokens so you only have ten to spend - you can't afford the Lotus. So nobody can race the Lotus two races in a row.

YES you can !

first race you have 20 tokens, you choose the BRM so still 20 tokens at the end of the race
second race you have 20 + 10 tokens, you choose the Lotus, 10 tokens at the end of the race
third race, 10+10 tokens at the start ...so you can choose again the Lotus !!!!

it's only not possible for the two first races.

It's only not possible for the won race, but makes no difference if you haven't one.  :hammer:  Please stop hitting me!

I just love the complexities of token saving, and the chaos it brings.  :lol:

I find it easier to think of the 10 tokens you are given at the start of each race as "appearance money". As long as you cross the start line you get 10 tokens that you can spend on that race, so you can never be without tokens.

It is indeed possible to run the Lotus for 4 consecutive races. You simply need to have saved 40 tokens in your account before you use the Lotus for the first time.

So, for the first time in the Lotus you pay 20 tokens, leaving you with 20 in your account. But you also receive 10 tokens as you cross the start line for that race and that boosts your account to 30 tokens to carry forward .

For the next race you spend 20 tokens for the Lotus again, leaving you with 10 tokens in your account. But you receive another 10 tokens for starting this race boosting your account to 20 tokens to carry forward.

You choose the Lotus for a 3rd race and pay 20 tokens, leaving you with zero in your account, but you get 10 for crossing the start line and now have 10 tokens to carry forward.

If you choose the Lotus for a 4th race you will use the 10 tokens that you saved + the 10 for crossing the start line in the 4th race leaving you with Zero.

But because you will always get 10 tokens just for crossing the start line you can always afford any car up to and including the Brabham.

Of course this means that you will need to drive the BRM for a few races to save your tokens, or the mighty Honda for even more races, if you want to use the Lotus for multi races.

Or you can be safe and boring and use the Brabham for every round, knowing that it is fast enough to trouble the "elite " cars on all but the most high speed of circuits and is more likely to get you to the finish anyway. Plus it is certainly a faster and easier to drive car than those cheaper options.

You have the tokens, you make the choice. ;)

LOL - It was just a general thing but you are all right - you can race it for several in a row if you want to screw your championship by taking the Coop at Spa  ;D

Unless of course you are someone like Maarten Steverenk who can do mighty things with that Cooper!!  ;)

Just so I understand - not crossing the start line at Brands scuppers my plan to run the BRM at my weak track, to have better cars at preferred tracks, right? But now I am just realising that it also costs me for tokens - having not started one of the first five races my initial tokens are now at 5 and not 10? So, I can't run the Lotus or Eagle, due to the BRM blowing on the grid? My, this has been costly.. After thinking I'd not gained tokens at all (10), it's actually cost me more than the start money (15), and now I can't run my preferred car at Snetterton. GPLrank having login problems also doesn't help in trying to choose an alternative car..

PS. By Spa I imagine you mean Monza in the last race right?  :P

Iestyn you can drive the Lotus at Snetterton if you wish :) . But you are correct that blowing up the BRM on the grid has cost you tokens. As you didn't cross the start line, you'll not be rewarded those 10 tokens. But you'll get the intial 10 tokens given to you for free still.

I seem to recall a devious strategy in the first season we ran the token system whereby I had planned running the Lotus for the last 4 races of the season, utilising a monumental drive in the BRM in a couple of races, including Bremgarten where that beast got me 2nd! As it happened, I couldn't use the Lotus in the last 4 races....

Still this throws up interesting strategies.

I try to use the BRM in races where a) the track is not very difficult and b) the attrition rate appears to be higher. Unfortunately a and b do clash most of the time  ;D . And when I tried the BRM at Sebring in season 20, I blew up the engine myself  :'(

The BRM can test the resolve of the hardiest GPLer  :laugh:. On rank, it's actually one of my better cars, yet now I am struggling to get a grip on it again.

Phew Tommie, Lotus helps, because I have experience in it from a past D2 race; still, Clive in his Honda beat me to the line there when we had the car equalising pit stops (good win, I was happy with second). I crashed my car about 5 metres after the start line on the left, spinning around about ten times, after hitting the corner marker at full speed :D. Experience = driveable setup = good for arrive and drive!


EDIT: OK, now I see I misread the rule section. 'Any of the first five' only applies after the first five have all been ran  ::)

Jethro - A podium with the BRM is impressive in any race! How come you couldn't run 4 loti in the last 4 races? Mis-calculation? Rogue start-line engine blow? Now I'm starting to calculate what cars I want to drive in the remaining races the extra ten from Brands I may badly need to upgrade a Brabham to a Lotus somewhere along the line.. I'm looking at you, Monza  ???

Iestyn, had something to do with the shift of teams.

I disconnected again  :'(. I've had enough. There's no point in carrying on until I move away from shared accommodation. Thanks to all for the racing while it lasted  :).

I'll be back, with the best damn internet connection I can get my ruddy hands on. Not sure when that'll be mind. Good luck to everyone competing for the rest of S26  :).

I am also questioning my involvement with this league.

1 (count 'em, 1) finish (a lap and a half back, mind) in two seasons so far = no fun.

3 seconds off the pace (prolly worse once I switched to BRM to at least save some tokens), erratic driving due to I HATE TEH BRM (no setup time helps that a lot :P) = no fun at all.

Fighting an evil car for 18 laps while trying to figure out when I'm going to be lapped (no prib here, tech issues) = no fun.

When I'm anywhere near the pace, engine blows up = no fun.

Sorry to Tbot (I assume) for slowing you down and almost taking you out.

Well, I messed that one up pretty bad...

I had the BRM set up pretty good, even had P3 in the early stages of quali untill I fell back and had to start ninth. Still, pleased with the pace. No start crash and I managed to pass Evil in the Honda and got up to P6, untill I messed up at the Esses. Hit the wall and a billboard but carried on. The engine and suspention had some damage but by pushing a bit harder I was able to keep the pace going somewhat. After a relatively innocent spin in front of Evil (who had fallen back) I messed up again at the Esses, this time ripping a wheel off. Unfortunately it was just before the halfway point so no points for me :cursing: At least I've got 10 tokens in the bag :) .

Happy with 5th, not happy with the mistakes I made in the race, but tis progress!

Bad race for me, Honda engine let go L6 or something, and I wasn't even wringing its neck...I tried to continue with what remained of the pistons, just to get half way and score some points, but there were 10 laps to go to mid race and I was going to be too much of a liability for everyone. So, did one lap and then decided to park it. Shame, as there were quite a few cars on very similar pace, it would have been tight to the end..Apologies to the couple of guys to whom I gave a bit of a scare during that slow lap  :) See you next time.

Whew! Tough race. Computer crashed while I was watching Iestyn qualify. Got back into the server while Igor was saying "transitioning". Sometimes my force feedback doesn't work right but reentering the server usually corrects it. No time to reenter the server so I was stuck with a constant level of force the entire race. It put a significant dent in my lap times and I was never confident of what the car was going to do entering the hairpin. I likely could have put some pressure on Clive, maybe even Jethro without the FF problems.

I was a but slower than I would have liked. It seems to be a common occurence for me. I can't reproduce the times practicing prior to the race. I was getting 1:25s before the event. If worked on it more I think I could get the Cooper close to 1:25 flat but that's for another day. Ran the race significantly slower than I could have. Should have been in the 1:26s most of the race. I ran very few laps that fast.

I got a decent result though. 6th or better is very pleasing in the Cooper. Didn't quite make it today but I can't complain.

Thanks for the fun guys. I'm looking forward to the Nurburgring.

Sorry to hear Sam, Dean and my teamie Tommie  :-[ Art, that was an AWESOME lap in the Honda in quali, just wow!

In quali I just couldn't get close to my PB, in every lap I seemed to make little mistakes, and messed up the last sector in my fastest lap. At that point I was in P2 and thought not much was to gain, so sat out last 10 minutes. Lost a spot, and it was very close P2-P5 in the end, within a tenth!

Wanted to make sure I finished in the race and kind of ran conservatively. Start was reasonable and held a defensive line towards the Hairpin, holding off Iestyn. Almost lost the car under braking, but held it together. Then Iestyn easily passed me on the Home Straight with his Lotus' superior grunt and topspeed, but went wide in the Esses and I was back in P2. Was able to keep Tristan at 4s, but I think he managed his tires/race as well. Later on Iestyn charged up and was way faster than me, he blew past me on the Norwich straight. Then it was just a matter to keep it on track and finish, which I did...

Got lucky when others had trouble or bad luck behind me, my pace wasn't that good, and made many little mistakes. However a solid result, and pretty consistent without fast laps. Maximum result, very happy with the podium and my first points after that false start at Brands Hatch :)

Congrats Tristan and Iestyn, very fast pace, and well done finishers! :)

See you all at the Nürburgring, where I want to finish again, which will be a very difficult task. With Pro damage you can't afford to hit/touch anything...

PS: I qualified 3rd, that's a mistake by GPLRA. I did set the 23.991 first! And finally thanks to Paul for doing double duty as mod, and finishing 5th in the Privateers race! :)

Exciting race! My first decent result back in GPL league racing (oAo and ukgpl).

Got comfortable with a GH2 modified setup (possibly from Pierre Fabre's setups) and reset the ffb to 340 (was testing ffb2's 400 in core.ini early qual but it seemed too light). Eventually got 2nd, after some close lap times indeed. The flagman caught me out (it was instant!) and I was slowing a rapidly starting Art behind in the Honda (yeah.. with a Lotus) off the line. Rob got by on the inside and I chased him down to the hairpin. Tried to get on the inside, but Rob had it covered! I knew if I could catch Tristan early on I could make a race of it. But his pace (my eventual pribluda sectors equalled his pole time) meant he just controlled the race from the front.

So, I should have passed Rob into the esses, but missed my braking point on cold tyres (and was more concerned with not coming across on Rob and risking contact early on), and fell back. Next, I saw cars overshooting at the hairpin in the mirrors (rapidly approaching Brabham) and had to go straight and leave space, avoiding contact, so now I was behind Ronnie P. Passed him at the hairpin, but ran a car length deeper than I would have liked, coming off the brakes on the inside line, and may have squeezed him off his line around the outside (hope there wasn't contact.. think DC and Schumi at Magny Cours.. uhoh).

Caught Rob eventually, after going too slow in the esses and catching the inside grass, causing a mini-spin, and eventually got down to a reliable low 24 pace. Braked deep when lapping Greg (my oAo team mate, who spun trying to not hold me up when braking infront) at the esses, and a lazy spin out of the hairpin put paid to my hopes of catching Tristan (3 seconds the closest I got). Frustration made me PB on the last lap by getting most of a lap together - so with better focus perhaps I could have made a good race out of it with Tristan near the front. But I only really felt truly comfortable in the Lotus again from about half way onwards.. with too much oversteer on lock not helping until then!

Great pace from Rob in the Brab and Art in the Honda.. sounds like others were unlucky not to get a result as well. Lapped cars were also very courteous which does help out in a long race. Congrats to Tristan on the win!

PS.
Sam b - Yes, I remember my uni halls the connection was terrible. When the torrent client got around the locks once every so often however there was a very rapid connection there indeed.
Dean - I just decided to go for a fast car to get some enjoyment back. Perhaps you can start and park lap 1 in the BRM at some events and drive better cars at others you cherry pick?
Tommie - Unlucky in the BRM! You were getting some pace out of it! I did have half a mind to be cautious until mid-way (for points scoring), but that caused me to lose track positions with colder tyres..
Jethro - I do find the teams in UKGPL a bit confusing, but I was invited to rejoin the old Hiki-Waza squad at Blue Moose and accepted.
Rob - at one point I was equal with your time as well... could have had a Jerez 1997 there!

That may have been an option last season (at least I'd have scored points for crossing the S/F line once) but not so much this season.

I'm in a no-man's land, too fast for (some of) the privateers, not good enough to avoid embarrassing myself in the works (while having no fun lapping by my lonesome and only moving up through other's misfortunes).

The only "better" car for me would be a Brab that doesn't explode. :(

Dean, in GPL67 Pro Damage you can't afford to consistently overrev and/or speedshift and thinking you can get away with it. Maybe in F2 Advanced, but not in GPL67 Advanced/Pro. Also you might try to use taller gearings.

I suggest you run the Eagle, Brabham or Cooper, which can take the most abuse in my experience, especially the Brab. You're a good racer, enjoy racing you, and at certain points when you would run the Eagle and Brabham you should/could run for solid results or even podiums. Give it some time/thoughts, I'd hate to see you leave/quit Works. If I can help out in any way, PM or mail me please. ;)


(Don't see the point in getting points for not finishing (apart from getting free points for championship). 50% is even on the low side, IMO. Finishing races takes a lot of effort and discipline (and luck, I'll admit to that), and should be awarded accordingly. This isn't NASCAR with 43 cars. Glad the mods decided 50% race distance for points, although I would prefer 75/90%.)



@ Iestyn: didn't notice you also had a 1m23.991s for a while like Art and me, funny and what a ridiculously small chance  ;D

Grats to the podium trio for some stunning race pace and a very tight quali.

It seems that the bar has been raised again in Works this season and we have some seriously quick drivers at the sharp end. Very impressed with Art's quali in the Whale, I just could not nail a decent lap and anyway I doubt that I could have equalled that!!!

I knew that the fuel load on the Honda would limit my chances of pushing too hard in the early laps and I proved that to myself by spinning a couple of times when I should have been more careful  :-\.  Eventually I settled down to some steady race pace, but I think I was a little too careful as all my tyres stayed cool blue for the whole race ( I think I must be ill, that never happens  :o !!).

I can only echo Robert's comments to Dean.
  If you find you are blowing engines, when you push hard, on a regular basis in Works then take a look at a couple of replays of your laps.
It is easy to downshift too early, not be aware of it and just flick the needle against the max rev point, or to run gears that take you to 100% max revs too often.  There was a period a couple of seasons ago where I blew engines in a few races and was getting frustrated, but when I reviewed the races and watched what I was actually doing, it was all my fault. I had been downshifting maybe 0.5secs too early and occasinally pushing the revs just a little too high before upshifting. Once I concentrated on correcting those small faults, engines stayed in one piece.

Some cars are more fragile than others, especially the Honda and although the red line is at about 11k I use the gear ratios to try and max out at 10.5k, and I watch very carefully if I get into a slipstream situation. The other side effect of running very close to max revs is that the engine oil temp will creep up and ALL of the cars have a point at which the engine will fail if it gets too hot. The Honda is 260F and that is hardwired into my brain after using the car so often. In last nights race I did not see temps higher than 247F, so I had capacity in hand if I needed to really fight for places.

I find that the Brabham is just about the most reliable car ( as it was in the 1967 GP season), not quite the fastest, but it has bucket loads of torque. I use this torque to protect the engine in races ( If I do a low fuel quali, I might drop the final drive ratio a notch and max out the revs) by moving each gear ratio UP one notch. This has a double advantage by reducing wheelspin out of tight corners and keeping the pointy thing on the dashboard from hitting the red line.

Believe it or not, I have set myself a challenge of taming the Beast of Bourne, so far with zero success. In all my years of GPL I just have not "clicked" with that BRM monster and am going back to it occasionally offline, as I try and work out a) how to set up this car and b) then how to drive it effectively. It seems to me to react in ways that other cars do not to changes in the setup, but I am going to study very carefully the recent posts about diffs etc and start from zero assumptions about how to prepare a car.

I wouldn't think about the championship points Dean, just which races you want to drive which car and then scrap the others in a BRM on lap 1. Else, Brabham all season isn't too bad (if you like the car), and I'm considering doing some races in it now where I would have picked Lotus (from losing the ten coins from Brands). I think the championship battle will go to the consistent finishers, as losing a few results could put you almost a hundred points back. This is why I think the points loss is enough from not finishing already.. although participation numbers seem to be high enough that no incentive to participate is needed (yet), i.e. still getting points even after a retirement. Much like F1, the worthy champion will probably still be crowned under most circumstances anyway.

The BRM is a tricky animal.. I think it's the most rearward in weight distribution. I managed to click with it at a few rank tracks, but even now can still struggle with trying to get it dialled in on new tracks (e.g. Cadwell from a Monaco setup in oAo). I try and use the gears to the full extent, to get the torque out of it, but I've gotten the pace I can get out of it so far from just comparing to WR laps. I think it could be about the low speed grip/line in the BRM, and keeping the momentum up (as it takes longer to get it back up to speed). This can be from Senna-like throttle application, as much as trying to keep speed up. Driving it I think about the similarities with F1 2014.. but the throttle lag is gone in F1 this year as the turbo is always spooled.

I need to remember the Honda number, as I've blown it up a similar amount in the past when trying to finish Pro races. I simply tried to minimise the revs as much as possible during the race! But the 'race gears' tip is good as well. Running a 30/85/1 slowed me early on here, on the cold tyres, and 45/85/1 was much more comfortable for most of qualifying. My tyres were also slightly cool, but I've gotten used to running a lower tyre pressure and getting the car up to speed via more sliding (also in the BRM, else it overheats on long runs and I'm not smooth enough). Add this all together and you can have a much smoother race with less action behind the wheel. Near the end I relaxed in the Lotus and got smoother (in tune with the car again, e.g. when trailing brakes), such that I drove a smooth PB on the last lap of the race. If only that was every lap!

Hard but fair, is how I saw and felt it Iestyn. You seemed to just twitch into me at the last second trying to hold a tight inside line but I don't blame you and I don't do incident reports. You were a man in a hurry and certainly faster in that Lotus of yours. Great drive.

A few silly mistakes from me followed so I put off any ideas of reeling Robert in and focused on keeping Jethro behind. Happy enough with 4th. Grats again to the podium of Tristan, Iestyn and Robert, the class of the field last night.

I forgot about that until you reminded me. I braked late and stayed as far right as I could hoping you'd quickly get by on the inside, then I couldn't hold the wide line I was on. Once the car had slid 180 degrees, I expected to see you fly by on the inside. For a moment I couldn't figure out where you were or what happened to you. Next lap around when I came out of the hairpin I checked pribluda because I could see another car closing on me. It was Robert. Then I noticed you had already gone by, and I thought, "he passed me so quickly I never noticed it." :) Actually you had passed me slowly and I was in a state of confusion at the time that I didn't even realize it was you until almost a lap later.

Luckily it didn't hurt either of us much or at all. I should have stayed to the left on the straight and ran slow to let you by.


Good description. I'm stuck in no-man's land in another league. About all I can do is use it as an opportunity to get familiar with driving the Cooper. I'm using this Works division to gain more experience in the Cooper too. The only 67 car I feel I am actually competent driving is the 312. Part of the reason for driving the 312 almost exclusively is I would always blow the engine in the Lotus, Brabham, and Eagle on realistic damage. I've improved since then but still not real confident I can keep the engine together. When I first started driving GPL a few years ago I'd edit ini's to run full length races on the Novice setting. I would always speedshift. The 312 was the only car that would make 60 laps at Rouen doing that. Lotus would detonate rather quickly (maybe 15 laps) and the Brabham never made it more than 35 laps. I tried repeatedly.

Dean, if you were repeatedly getting slowed off the line by other cars at the start, losing positions to much slower cars, then being stuck behind somebody taking 1-2 seconds off your pace, and later blowing your Maserati engine : would you feel any better? That's my no-man's land. I let it go the 2nd time pretty easily until I watched the replay.

I hope you keep racing. I think you're faster and more experienced than I am but I might have an advantage on you when it comes to patience. oAo is severely testing my patience.

Just do it for the sheer pleasure of driving or use it to learn something. Hopefully, we'll both get out of our own little purgatories some day.

 HI guys :)

hey! Dean, absolutly no problem , it can append to anybody , anytime ;) ....and come on ! Dean, don't give up, you are good driver just keep concentration and be mutch more carefull when changing gear , it's the "pic" of rpm ( over maxi rpm ....too mutch trottle when gear is not engaged ) who broke the engine ;)

Good race for me,I choose the lotus to have a chance to win and score points at the champ, Iestyn and Robert was never faraway and I have to manage the gap and the car.....I finish the race whith 17 litres in the tank !!...that's why I did'nt push for the FL....... :P

thx to all and c  u next one :)

Ihave 0 tolkens, but I will receive 10 for the next race ???

Save your tokens Tris and take the BRM - ideally suited to the Nurburgring  :o ::)

For the start - 10 metres - 10 tokens.  Avec les Brabham - 11 metres - moins 10 tokens.  C'est la vie, dans les Grand Prix.   :angel:

  ;D............<<Save your tokens Tris and take the BRM - ideally suited to the Nurburgring  Shocked Roll Eyes>>......that's exactly what I wanted to do, but my question was :" I have 0 tolkens but I will receive 10 for the next race.....but only when I will cross the Start line of the next race ? " ... correct ? ,if yes that's meen I have no choice , I can only drive the BRM !....or I can use this 10 T. right now ?...      ( I'm a littlebit embroiled whith the rules   :-\ )

 ....<<Avec les Brabham - 11 metres - moins 10 tokens.>>...........????   what ???

No, you have 10 tokens more before the race.
so you can select the Brabham, Cooper, BRM or Honda

You can use the 10 tokens right now :) . No matter what, it's always possible to drive the Brabham, Cooper, Honda or BRM :)

 . . . Thanks guys!  I had placed him 3rd on the grid, instead of 1st. :D

If you start you get ten tokens, whatever car you drive and when you finish the race the total tokens for the car you have chosen is taken away. So you can always drive the Brabham, Coop, Honda or BRM. If you drive the BRM you will end up with ten more than when you started! The Brabham, same as when you started and the Cooper five more than when you started. So the BRM is for when you need to save up tokens....

Currently you have no tokens so you can drive ONLY the Brabham; Cooper; Honda or BRM at the 'ring.

Is that OK?

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

If you substract tokens to meters, maybe you got a pudding ?

 ........5/5 !   thx guys ;D

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