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Title: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: phspok on January 26, 2014, 01:06:06 PM +0000
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WE WILL BE RUNNING P&G 3.1 FOR ALL EVENTS

Practice: 19:20 (BST) (60 mins)
Qual 2: 20:25 (20 mins)
Race: 20:45 ~ (23 laps)
Cars allowed: 4.2 and 3.8 MkII Jag, Ford Cortina GT,  Mini 970.
Track: Cadwell Park Download and install this (https://www.simracing.org.uk/downloads/s3.php/gtr2/tracks/SRou_GTR2_CadwellPark_2.1.0.0.exe)
Time of Day Setting: 13:00
Weather: Dry
Start: Standing

Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal
Pit-stops: None required

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Championship Standings (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=433&theme=34)

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Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 13
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on January 26, 2014, 01:07:58 PM +0000
Nice  :thumbup1:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 13
Post by: phspok on January 26, 2014, 01:08:38 PM +0000
Roller skates in the Park. These don't get out much and were requested, so they get a day to play.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 13
Post by: goldtop on January 26, 2014, 01:42:30 PM +0000
.....on my favourite track  ::)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 13
Post by: Jester on January 26, 2014, 01:48:06 PM +0000
Great track. All that needs changing is the date and it should be Mini 970, I believe  ;D


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 13
Post by: phspok on January 26, 2014, 02:05:36 PM +0000
Flippin 'eck  Erik, give a guy a chance  :o I am multitaskin here.... I haven't done number of laps yet either, strewth  :chef:

Ah yes, CLive's fave cars at Tudor's fave track. Don't worry the pain will pass  :D


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: Clive Loynes on February 13, 2014, 09:35:45 PM +0000
Hell's teeth!

It's going to look like an episode of The Sweeny!



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: Giuseppe Reali on February 14, 2014, 11:33:54 PM +0000
Hello guys, this evening with Otto and Federico we tried a little the three cars and, surprisingly, we realized that probably the Mini will be the car to beat  :o
The other two are not bad, though fun to drive, each in its own way  ;)
I think this will be a very entertaining and hard-fought race for all participants  :fencing: and certainly until the last meter do not know who wins the race  :sweatdrop:
I hope to find many drivers on the track  :thumbup2:
Ciao

Giuseppe


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: Clive Loynes on February 15, 2014, 09:35:05 AM +0000
.............................. we realized that probably the Mini will be the car to beat  :o

Giuseppe


Nooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: Mark J on February 15, 2014, 10:46:06 AM +0000
.............................. we realized that probably the Mini will be the car to beat  :o

Giuseppe


Nooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I echo that sentiment  :no: will probably still take one of the other two for the fun of it! front wheel drive is the devils work  ;D


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: EvilClive on February 15, 2014, 12:56:22 PM +0000
I wish to lodge a formal complaint with the race steward!!


The 3.8 Jaguar which I have been given to practice with has more in common with the gas BBQ in my garden than a racing car!

It does not steer, it cooks anything round to a crisp within 2 minutes and it smells of old shoe leather when hot! The only thing in its favour is the colour and I am reasonably confident that is not helping my lap times ( although unlike the cars other attributes, at least it is not slowing me down either! :-\ ).

It is rather ironic because a friend of mine has 99% completed a 3.4 Jag for racing in the Historic Saloons series this year. If it is anything like this barge without a tiller, I had better ask him what music he would like at his funeral!!! :scared:

After I had extricated myself from the dense foliage of the British countryside, I tried the mini.......... :o :o Talk about "the other end of the spectrum!" It seems to be on rails around the corners, but zero grunt on the straight.

So the only other option was the Ford box................... ahem.!!..confession time cough ! cough!! mumble mumble......... 
I was amazed when I posted a 1:41.9 lap at my first attempt, as no doubt you guys are too!  and I left the practice session feeling quite chuffed.  I returned an hour or so later and thought a sub 1:40 should be a real possibility even on race fuel.   But, after one or two small technical changes in the garage and the setup, it dropped to about 1:48. Maybe using the Ford Cortina GT for the second session instead of the Lotus Cortina might have some influence on the times, but who can tell ?? ::)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: Mark J on February 15, 2014, 03:37:08 PM +0000
Tried all 3, I quite like the Jag  :euro:  Ive driven one of these around Mallory park and it did feel like steering a bus with its big steering wheel and comfy armchair front seats  ;D
The mini is on rails but its gutless, the Cortina also felt pretty gutless tbh. The Jags shortcoming is its brakes, it should run right over any little minis in front of it that can brake late  :P
Only managed 1:51's with full race fuel and only did a handful of laps in each.

Hopefully the cars will be more fun to race than they are practise with

Love this track though  8)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on February 15, 2014, 03:41:18 PM +0000
I'm sure that seeing a grid full of these oldies will set your heart a flutter MJ.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: Clive Loynes on February 16, 2014, 01:38:39 PM +0000
I think that this will be an ugly mini spec race.

It has a couple of seconds advantage over the other two.



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on February 16, 2014, 03:13:00 PM +0000
I disagree. I get identical times in the Mini and the Cortina with the Jag 1.5 secs off the pace, when it hasn't blown up!


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: phspok on February 16, 2014, 10:12:27 PM +0000
Just done 4 laps in each car with a quick setup and I get a best lap of:

Jag = 1:46.8
Mini = 1:46.9
Tina= 1:47.0

Usually minis eat front tyres more than the others.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: Clive Loynes on February 16, 2014, 10:15:20 PM +0000
I disagree. I get identical times in the Mini and the Cortina with the Jag 1.5 secs off the pace, when it hasn't blown up!

LOL

I try to pass on the pearls of wisdom from the SBRC Testing Department and you just won't have it!   ::)

My Mini is now 3 seconds faster than my Jag and much easier to drive and you can drive it like you stole it and it still asks for more!

Not tried the Cortinal myself.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: phspok on February 16, 2014, 10:24:56 PM +0000
Oh, I expect a well setup well driven mini will be fastest, but I prefer the Armchair.

EDIT: Seems like several people are getting the Mini much faster than the Jag, though I don't.
So:

Jag 4.2 now allowed

Sorry Stig, I know you hate cars changing.
The Tina is now for masochists and those who want a challenge, not much I can do about that now.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: EvilClive on February 17, 2014, 12:02:16 PM +0000
hmmmmmmmm............... maybe it is me, well lets face it it MUST be me,

 but I actually like the Dagenham Dustbin and find it great fun to drive, provided that I remeber to brake early enough for the front end to have a chance of grabbing some grip.

The Longbridge Longboat is just so far out of my driving style, that I struggle to get sub 1:50 and that involves melting the tyres over a single lap, must be me again I guess??  :-\

The Magic Mini just feels like cheating as the cornering is just awesome. More like a slot racing car than something relying on rubber and friction, but I suspect that using it over multiple laps might mean that I need a couple of pitstops for front end tyres?? or is that just me again???


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: phspok on February 17, 2014, 12:46:27 PM +0000
I quite like this Tina as well, I can get it to drift in a useful way. The 4.2 Jag is at least a second faster than the 3.8
so it might make it less of a Mini walkover. A well driven mini may still win, but there may now be some Jags
hounding them. The Tina will now be the slowest option, but with enough skill could place well. The Lotus Cortina
is wayy too fast for this group. I haven't done extensive testing here, but usually the PG minis eat front tyres, though
they would probably last the race.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: Clive Loynes on February 18, 2014, 10:34:48 PM +0000
Love the 4.2 Jag but keeping the engine in one piece is a good trick.

Even when being very careful on my gear changes the engine seems to suffer.

I shall be in and out of the grid like a fiddler's elbow, trying to find an engine with 100% left in it!   ;D


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: SuperSWIFT on February 19, 2014, 12:49:33 PM +0000
Lap times from last night on the practice server:

Giuseppe Reali: 1:42.0 (Mini 970)
EvilClive: 1:46.? (Cortina GT)
SuperSwift: 1:45.9 (Jag 3.8 MKII)

Had a fun time chasing EvilClive and trying to follow Giuseppe. The cars have very, very different characteristic which makes racing them *interesting*  ;)

See you tomorrow!



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: Clive Loynes on February 19, 2014, 01:04:10 PM +0000
Lap times from last night on the practice server:

Giuseppe Reali: 1:42.0 (Mini 970)




Eeeek!!!   

Someone find something for Giuseppe to do, to stop him practising!


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: Giuseppe Reali on February 19, 2014, 02:12:00 PM +0000
Lap times from last night on the practice server:

Giuseppe Reali: 1:42.0 (Mini 970)




Eeeek!!!   

Someone find something for Giuseppe to do, to stop him practising!

LOL!! I only did a few laps to fix the car for qualifying  ::)
More than anything else I'd like to meet other drivers in training, instead of the usual 4 cats, so as to exchange ideas, setup and also to know each other better  :thumbup2:
However, a best time of 1.41.5 and I have done with a full tank is slower than 1.5 sec

Ciaoo


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: EvilClive on February 19, 2014, 02:47:29 PM +0000
From where I am standing ( which incidentally is a loooong way back on the grid) this looks like a 2 class race.  The minis are going to vanish into the distance and the Jags and Cortinas will exchange  dents and paint samples for the minor places.

Sooo tempting to take a mini, but I do sort of like the Ford............decisions, decisions  hmmmmmmmmmmmm ::)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: Clive Loynes on February 19, 2014, 03:31:02 PM +0000
From where I am standing ( which incidentally is a loooong way back on the grid) this looks like a 2 class race.  The minis are going to vanish into the distance and the Jags and Cortinas will exchange  dents and paint samples for the minor places.

Sooo tempting to take a mini, but I do sort of like the Ford............decisions, decisions  hmmmmmmmmmmmm ::)

Don't think it is that simple but the 3.8 Jag and Cortina might exchange a fair bit of paint, hub caps and door handles.

The 4.2 Jag will be in front of this battle but may struggle to match the Mini, although I'm quicker in the Jag so who knows what the alien classes may make of it.

We will both be watching from a distance but you can see quite a way ahead on this circuit.  Very distracting, almost a certain crash!   ;D


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: phspok on February 19, 2014, 03:37:07 PM +0000
Not that my times mean much, but.... I am something like 2 secs faster in the 4.2 Jag than the Mini.  :o
Which is why it wasn't there initially...


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: Bob on February 19, 2014, 07:52:56 PM +0000
I know this is off topic, but could any one inform me of the procedure to invite a friend to join the racing at UKPnG.  His name is ChrisR and he is a competent racer. Raced last night with us at NoGrip and enjoyed P&G. Any info appreciated, thanks Bob.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: Mark J on February 19, 2014, 08:25:39 PM +0000
Hi Bob, your friend just needs to register with this site I believe, then he's ready to go racing  :)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: Bob on February 19, 2014, 08:29:56 PM +0000
Thank You.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: ChrisR on February 19, 2014, 08:45:14 PM +0000
Sorted.. Hopefully see you tomorrow :)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: Hotkeys on February 20, 2014, 08:08:43 AM +0000
Welcome Chris, always to meet new racers. Feel free to ask any advice :- ))

Stig


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: phspok on February 20, 2014, 12:11:44 PM +0000
Stig

Unrelated.. but why does linked in say you are the manager of a Spanish football team......  ??? ???


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: Hotkeys on February 20, 2014, 03:30:25 PM +0000
I only registered at Linkedin in order to check out, how it worked. That title was meant as a joke :- ))

It seems more and more people use it professionally, so I may have to update my profile.

Would it be a good idea to add my career at SBRC you think?
 
 ;)

Stig


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: Clive Loynes on February 20, 2014, 03:42:01 PM +0000
I


Would it be a good idea add my career at SBRC you think?
 
 ;)

Stig

Just think of all those Championship Medals you can put on your CV!!!


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: Hotkeys on February 20, 2014, 08:57:58 PM +0000
Great combo this one Matt  :thumbup1: I had lots of fun while it lasted.

Stig


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: Legzy on February 20, 2014, 09:42:45 PM +0000
ChrisR, just to finish the very brief chat... You're absolutely right: "lapping cars responsibility", but there's no harm in being accommodating ;).
I just had loads of Jag pace to come straight past & felt squeezed out (actually ended up with inside wheels on the grass) & lost momentum/safety.... which knackered me for the corner which meant I lost a place a couple of turns later because Geoffers had been able to get that much closer...
I've seen the replay & you didn't squeeze over half as much as it felt in car (& obviously you also has Alex in close proximity) & my reactions just took me on the grass. Plus you were obviously well aware of being lapped, because you knew exactly where & what happened! :laugh: :thumbup1: So I take back my comment of "good driving but please try to be aware of lapping drivers" :)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: phspok on February 20, 2014, 09:46:00 PM +0000
Reults and Replay Posted
Turned out nice  ;D loads of fun, I don't know how Bob and others found that pace in the Tina but hats  off
Went off a couple of times, but eventually caught back up to MJ who considerately went off to let me through  ::)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: Legzy on February 20, 2014, 09:47:58 PM +0000
Good race, really enjoyed it. Had either (& sometimes both) a mini or a Jag in close proximity from start to finish :sweatdrop:, I just wish the Jags tyres weren't made of wet bog roll ::)
Always love battles between Handling (evil) Vs Power (saintly) cars & Cadwell always produces classics 8)

Favourite bit of race was multiple laps in the 1st half, racing side-by-side with Federico Zecchin & his mini, was gutted to half spin myself under full power exiting the 2nd last bend into his oncoming car, sorry :(. Obviously I waited & let him past, then watched him disappear into the distance as I wasn't holding him up through the turns any longer. Such a great car balance tonight Matt. Good work fella.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: ChrisR on February 20, 2014, 09:51:13 PM +0000
I had a good first race with you guys, unfortunately since it was my 2nd ever race on P&G id never driven the Tina or Cadwell before.. so i was literally greener than the grass on my lawn.

I found some decent pace after the 3 leaders passed me.. I managed to find a 1'43.4 (or would of done if i hadn't of screwed the final corner up)

Look forward to the next event.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: EvilClive on February 20, 2014, 10:02:28 PM +0000
Despite finishing a lowly 14th I felt I was getting some pace out of the Cortina and it was my mistakes that cost me a chance of finishing a few places higher.

I was really enjoying the tinny Tina up to about half race distance, and felt that I could perhaps cause some of the slower Jags some discomfort  ::) There was no defence against the Jags greater speed on the straights but I sure as hell made that Ford handling work on the tighter sections lol.  What I really needed was a grappling hook to snag the bumper of the Jag in front and get towed down the straights!!! Mabel and Arnold have been given the task of developing such a weapon at the Soggies secretlavatory laboratory in deepest Somerset, where the water is still about 2 metres deep.

I was tail end charlie to a 4 (or 5) way battle, and hoping to be able to capitalise on any mistakes ahead, but got caught out at the bottom of the hill when 2 cars tangled ahead and I applied just a touch too much lock to avoid them. That spun me around and left me facing the wrong way and about 6 secs adrift. Classic mistake then was to push too hard and compound the errors  :-\ I even managed a barrell roll with one and half twists at one point but landed back on the wheels, so carried on.

The second half of the race was lonely and it was only the aliens lapping me with 2 laps to go that broke the solitude.  


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: Bob on February 20, 2014, 10:04:29 PM +0000
 ;D ;D   Had much fun in the Cortina tonight only spoiled by one off the whole race.  Followed the Jags most of the race gaining in the twistys and loosing on the straights.  It made for a very enjoyable race.    Apologies to Phspok, I went for bit of track that wasn't mine on the last corner. An excellent combo thanks all.  Bob


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: seniordan on February 20, 2014, 10:07:18 PM +0000
Reading Legzy's comment on Chris's driving I wonder. is it really necessary to be that grumpy :taz::taz: towards a new driver :oops:?
I had a vision of "How to train a puppy on the leash" not much of a warm welcome I'd say.

Suppose I am all wrong and that wasn't Legzy's intention at all. Still, we are doing this for fun :jumpjoy:, aren't we?

Cheers, Dan


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: ChrisR on February 20, 2014, 10:11:17 PM +0000
dan, dont worry.. my skin is thicker than that.. :)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: Alex vV on February 20, 2014, 10:23:01 PM +0000

Unofficial LapChart (http://www.justanotherpage.nl/Srou/PnG/GTR2_cadwell_2014_2_20_20_43/)



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: phspok on February 20, 2014, 11:19:06 PM +0000
The original car choice was Tony's suggestion, I put them here as it seemed a nice "traditional" UK club circuit.
Adding the 4.2 jag worked out well fortunately.
Bob needs an award for "most patience under fire" Following my fat barge rear end for lap after lap must have been testing  ::)

Oh, the default Jag tyres melted very fast, but the option ones lasted well, I think I had about 1/2 wear and all green
at the end of the race.



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on February 21, 2014, 08:50:15 AM +0000
Unexpected visitors so had to bail out  >:(


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: Clive Loynes on February 21, 2014, 08:55:09 AM +0000
Thanks for the lap chart Alex.   :thumbup2:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: Clive Loynes on February 21, 2014, 01:13:14 PM +0000
................., I just wish the Jags tyres weren't made of wet bog roll ::)



I'll second that!

When Federico came at me at the beginning of the race I was fairly comfortable, in that I could corner well enough to ensure that Jag power would sort things on corner exit.

Later in the race, Federico caught me at an alarming rate and I couldn't get through the left-hander after the Goose Neck fast enough to stop him driving around me.  It was his crafty move of pulling across me to the left and staying there that kept him ahead though.  By the time that I realised that he wasn't moving over to the right for the mountain I nearly rammed him. 

I could also have made life easier by not being asleep when the lights went green.  That dropped me behind SuperSwift in his 3.8 Jag and it took me a few laps to recover.  By then the leaders were long gone but thankfully Federico had his hands full with SS and Legzy.  Legzy simply failed to keep hold of him long enough.  Come on Legzy, sharpen up there!   ;D

Congratulations to Giuseppe, John and Donato; although looking at the pace that Federico had at the end they can all be thankful that the rest of us kept him busy!



Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: Mark J on February 21, 2014, 02:38:13 PM +0000
Hmm, cant say I enjoyed it like most of you. I felt the race was 5 laps too long and I just felt bored, hot and frustrated with the ill handling Jag at the end, but it was a race of two halves for sure. Plus...what do you mean, 'option' tyres for the Jag??! there were only Dunlop R12's? as far as I was concerned/knew  ???  and they were butchered at the end on 28 wear and all red temps on xd. That explains why I went from being 8th/9th & 10th all race down to 13th in the last 5 laps ::) I wondered how the hell Matt took 4 seconds out of me on one lap (without me making any mistake) using the same car towards the end  :o  I know its within the rules/limitation of the game but it does p*ss me off that some can find loopholes to get an advantage with the same damn car  >:( and yes I know I 'could' have picked those option tyres too but hardly within the spirit of classics racing...grumble grumble. Im more angry that the game allows it than someone taking advantage of it, so im not having a dig at anyone just venting off!!

Qually was frustrating for most of the sesh, I just couldn't find the pace of those I normally compete with. But then with a few minutes to go I tried a different tactic at the 'mountain' and suddenly popped in a 1:43 and leapt about 8 places on the grid  :)
Race:- first two-thirds was good fun, battling lots of cars and keeping a top 10 place, which was a nice surprise considering my lack of praccy for this one. Most of it was spent battling Geoffers like an annoying mosquito in his green mini and keeping Bob's Cortina just behind. Sadly, as mentioned above, it all went t*ts up near the end when the tyres became red hot and boredom set in. I dropped like a stone down four places to 13th in a matter of a few laps and had really had enough of lugging a near 2-ton lump on melted tyres around lovely Cadwell Park.  :'(
Sharn't be in a rush to race these again.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: johnw on February 21, 2014, 02:59:45 PM +0000
I think Matt means the D9's - ie, the medium tyres that were also selectable for the Jag. The soft D12's were just the default option in the garage.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on February 21, 2014, 03:03:22 PM +0000
Doesn't John mean the "softer D12".

And MJ, you didn't have to take the Jag.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: johnw on February 21, 2014, 03:10:19 PM +0000
What I was trying to say is that there were two, legitimate, tyre choices for the Jag, D12's & D9's. No funny business going on. I guess Mark just didn't notice before the race.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: phspok on February 21, 2014, 03:22:48 PM +0000
Yep D12s were the default and were hard, the D9s were a selectable option and were in the chart as very hard
The D12s were traffic lights after a few laps, the D9s stayed green and wore much better.

Most of the cars in PG have a choice of tyres, the Dunlop cars sometimes get green/yellow/red to choose from
no cheating or sneaky advantage here. SOme of the cars in the same type have different tyre makes - the 911s
for example, knowing what tyres to choose has always been part of the game to me  :angel:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: Clive Loynes on February 21, 2014, 03:28:40 PM +0000
I was on D12s and hadn't had time to try anything else.

Most of the time the harder tyre takes away so much performance at the start of the race that they are not worth bothering with.

Must try to remember about Jag tyres in future.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: IvanStanchev on February 21, 2014, 04:57:03 PM +0000
I did not expected to have so much fun this one as i don't like both cars with right steering and fwd. It was hard to choose a car and i was going to drive the mini till Matt told me about this D9 tyres on the Jag. Tried several laps before the race and seemed not very different from D12 tyres so i chose the JAg. Had a big crash in the first laps but somehow came back on track and managed to finish but was a hard wrestle with the jag with thousants of mistakes and great chases .


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: Mark J on February 21, 2014, 05:36:03 PM +0000
D'oh, sorry, big apology to Matt, I thought he meant he'd taken a modern compound (that are left in the tyre selection sometimes), hadn't even seen another tyre available..sure I checked? or was it just one tyre on the 3.8?  Anyway, will shut my big gob, explains why Matt and others had good tyres left at end where as mine fell off a cliff f1 style  :'(

...will get my coat

Ps..will also add that I typed my post race report after a couple of lunchtime pints so excuse my ranting. Have likewise just had further beers in the evening  ;D and feeling more mellow, hope I didn't come across as an as*, though expect I did  :-[  sour grapes at dropping to 13th from 8th  ;)

Anyway...far more fun cars up next  8)


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: seniordan on February 21, 2014, 10:30:09 PM +0000
Back to School for extra reading lessons....

After reading his post again I have to apologize to Legzy. I think I completely missed the point he made.
Which by the way reminds me of a promise I made to Matt to give him back his position of a previous race and apology. Sorry I forgot !  :oops:
Maybe both gentlmen could find some compensation in my driving my car over the barrier in lap one of the next race?

Cheers, mr.Sorry Dan


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: Geoffers on February 21, 2014, 10:55:49 PM +0000
Most of it was spent battling Geoffers like an annoying mosquito in his green mini and keeping Bob's Cortina just behind.

Yeh was good fun for a few laps until I tried to go around the outside of you at the Gooseneck & ended up on the grass losing several places.

However it got a bit frustrating at times battling the Jags, After successfully disposing of one, you would catch the next one which would hold you up through the twisties & allow the one you thought had been dispatched to pass you on the straight & you would have to do it all again. Got easier near the end when the Jag's tyres were shot & there was more distance between them on the track. Had a good last few laps battling with Dan & Legzy, just managed to pip them both at the end.

Congrats to the podium, cya next week.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: Legzy on February 21, 2014, 11:41:03 PM +0000
lol dan & yeah Geoffers, was cracking stuff from my Jag & understood that it would have been mega frustrating/fun (in a twisted way ;)) in your faster mini, being trounced on the straights then having to drive round us in the corners. I still can't stop smiling, loved it. More!

By then the leaders were long gone but thankfully Federico had his hands full with SS and Legzy.  Legzy simply failed to keep hold of him long enough.  Come on Legzy, sharpen up there!   ;D
I tell you what Clive, that Federico can drive! :o
We had some stunning corners across a few laps together where I was doing everything I could & I was gutted when it ended (too much time of me driving at 100% just to stick with him I fear), though I'm sure he was quite happy to loose the six ton dead weight holding him up :laugh:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: johnw on February 22, 2014, 12:11:20 AM +0000
I had lots of fun chasing Donato...until I hit him :oops: Sorry again - I was slightly out of shape going into the esses and ended up putting a wheel on the grass going into the braking area :(

The Jag felt great to drive (thanks for the setup, Erik), the only problem was the engine health. I knew I should have bounced back to the pits at the start a few more times to try and get more  - I crossed the line with 1% left and a few extra at the start would have meant being able to push all the way to the end, rather than nurse it home for the last few laps. Oh well, it's all part of the game.

Grats to Giuseppe for the win :thumbup1:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: phspok on February 22, 2014, 11:53:40 AM +0000
No worries Dan, it wasn't like you stuffed me into a wall or anything, If I try an ambitious pass up the inside at a future event
I will assume you will not fight too hard that once  ::)

I remember CLive saying he was suffering with engine health going down alarmingly, i didn't really see that so much
If I let it rev into the red a lot it would go down, but 3rd to 4th was very close so it didn't need over revving in 3rd
I think I lost 3% over the whole race, perhaps I was just not driving hard enough, I didn't use 1st much, maybe
in the 2nd to last to get the tail round.

It has been suggested that we do an LCC with the Jags, I will probably do that, but not for a few events,
they can have arest for a while.


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on February 22, 2014, 12:14:16 PM +0000
It has been suggested that we do an LCC with the Jags.

Goodwood  :drool:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: Clive Loynes on February 22, 2014, 04:32:37 PM +0000
It has been suggested that we do an LCC with the Jags, I will probably do that, but not for a few events,
they can have arest for a while.

Somewhere with looooong straights so that the aliens in the 3.8/3.4s have to earn their corn.    :devil:


Title: Re: UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Cadwell Park - Feb 20
Post by: phspok on February 22, 2014, 05:10:41 PM +0000
Feels like we did Goodwood recently, COuld be the 4.2s will have an unsurmountable advantage at Goodwood? I will have a play.
The LCC car groups are not meant to be hugely different, just the Group A car(s) should be slightly faster.

I need some testing doing for at least one upcoming event (not listed yet). I have no access to my PG now untill a week on Monday at the earliest
I am in Glasgow then London next week with no gap.

Who would be kind enough to test a few cars at a track? You get early info about the event, and I get some good times info.
Tudor has been very helpfull in the past, but I don't want to bother him as he has reduced his PG time
for the moment.