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THIS POST IS FOR BOTH GRIDS

The second round of the Formula Two trophy will be on the Paptrus original track at Kyalami. Little to say about this track other than you must ensure that you have the Pit Wall in place. Those without the pit wall will risk disqualification. Advantage can be gained without it & drivers seen driving down the space where the pit wall should be excluded.

The standard Papyrus track has a pit wall but there are patches available that remove it. The absence of a pit wall will not stop you from joining the race but anybody seen by the moderators miraculously driving through the pit wall on the server replay will risk disqualification.

Follow these instructions to restore the wall if you have a mod that has removed it:
METHOD 1:
To place a wall between the pits and the track, rename or remove the kyalami.trk and kyalami.3do files from your kyalami folder.
METHOD 2:
To reinstall the original Papyrus Armco, rename or remove the Armco_s.mip file from your kyalami folder.[/

The series will be run on two separate grids;  Group A (on UKGPL3) & Group B(onT7). Please ensure you join the correct race.

Drivers have been allocated to the grids as below
Group A
Arf, Cookie, Dean Logan, Doni Yourth, Evil, Greg T, Marco, Natan, Fulvio, Badblood, Billy, Boggy, Il Lupo & New Blood
RACE ON UKGPL3

Group B
Phil Thornton, Piero Mercaldo, Rainier, Raoni, Robert Fleurke, Roberto Teso, Ronnie, Samb, Turkey Machine, Iestyn, Dave Curtis, Rog, Maddog, & Walter
RACE ON UKGPL_T7


ONE reset is allowed but the Shift R must be followed by a Stop & Go in the pit lane within TWO laps. If you Reset on the last lap a 15 second time penalty will be awarded. Drivers must complete 50% of the race distance to score.

Handicaps will not apply until Round 4 at the earliest.

Race List = IGOR
Group A
Server = UKGPL3
IP = ukgpl3.dyndns.org
Group B
Server=UKGPL_T7_2
IP = 62.149.202.168
Race date = 02 February 2014
Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Track = Kyalami
Race length = 28 Laps
Variant = 1967 Formula 2
Damage Model = Intermediate
Qualifying time = max. 30 minutes
Password: see above (#post_event_password)
Replays available here (http://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/inc_replaysS26_js.aspx)

GPL F2 Mod: The initial release of the F2 mod will be used. The mod can be found here (http://http://www.f2legends.net/F2Downloads.htm)

The Driver list, Championship Table and series rules can be found here: Formula Two Trophy (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=425&theme=6)

Please restrict chat to pit messages including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

Moderating The red zone will be fully moderated, the red zone will be from the start to the exit of the Barbeque Bend. . Other moderation will be on reported incidents only or at the Moderators discretion.

ANNOUNCEMENT

Gentlemen,
Thanks for you patience with the late reorganisation of this series to run as two separate Grids. As explained it was not practical to have two viable grids divided by ability, so we have two equal Groups A & B & every driver who has signed up for the series is guaranteed a drive.

This will give us two F2 champions. At the end of the  ten race series there will be a one off race to decide the Champion of Champions & also to sort out which is the better Group. Further details will be announced near the end of the season.

Having just done some practice, those records are going to tumble, particularly if you get a draft.

Thanks Bill :)

Always used to have online leagueraces without the armco, as it is safer with more room. But have no problem with it's there, same for everyone. But please remember it's very tight, so be sure when a car is alongside to stay at the extreme left there. At the end of the armco the tarmac is tightening, so again heads up, especially after the start...it's very tight and it's very important to hold your lines...

I'll knock on wood now so I don't curse myself  :angel: Looking forward to this one, one of my favo tracks ;)

Yeh, my 1:25 on race fuel is going to turn into race pace of 1:27 probably!

On track records - the GPL 1967 one must be a laggy/warp lap from s1. Hristo's Race record is a good one though.

Kyalami should be fun in F2s! I can see why it's better to race without the armco (historically accurate), for space, but GPL comes with it in, so it is fair to race with it to ensure an even playing field.

PS. The 'champion of champions' race is a nice championship development, and after all has been said and done, it's a good reason to have another race! 8)

Did I go and join the wrong server? DQ, whatever.

We were trying to tell you in qualy...


My race ended up being a game of fuel consumption... it culminated in a reset on the last lap, so add 30 seconds and I am 7th rather than 4th. Still, live and learn...

Ronnie why are you so?
Taken care of! :o

LOL
Dean same here, but I just saw it in last second...

Well, that didn't work too well. Personally, I guess it worked great though.

It's a shame Clive didn't make it back for the second attempt. We were setting up for a great race in the first one. Very nice job on the pole time. With a couple of minutes to go I started thinking I might get it. Clive was faster but it didn't look like he had the speed to get away from me in the race. I had an opportunity to slipstream past once on cold tires but didn't think it was wise that early in the race. Once the tires were up to temp, I'd have had to give it shot and I'm sure he'd have passed me on the main straight the next time.

I tried to ruin the second race for myself. I was pushing as hard as I could to try to open a gap on Marco so he couldn't slipstream off of me. Clipped the curb coming out the esses and spun it but that caused no car problems and luckily didn't appear to hinder anybody but me. I was driving better in the first race. I was pretty sloppy at times in the second race but had enough speed to keep the pressure on everybody else.

It was nice to get a win and get some more time in the BT23. Hopefully things will work better next time though. I'd rather have had Clive there and finished second. And if I beat him fair and square, I'd have really impressed myself.

Thanks for the fun guys. I appreciate it.

Had a good lap in quali without a tow and sat out practise. Roberto passed me on Lap 2 with better topspeed, and on Lap 3 I got caught out into Clubhouse Bend, and I have to avoid Roberto going on the grass, I stay at the left but Ronnie comes across and I end up in the armco. Back to P7. Car felt better in the righthanders, but worse in the lefthanders after that. Was more than 9s behind the leading duo Piero and Roberto, but after I got back up to P3, I was able to reel them in tenth after tenth. At a certain pont Piero crashed with Ronnie who seemed to hold up the leaders a bit, and I had closed up to about 3s. Got closer to Roberto, to about 1s but outbraked myself into Crowthorne Corner 2 laps from the end, locking up and I spun...Piero passed me and I had to settle for 3rd. Good points, but rather would have had a clean race ;)

Congrats Roberto, well deserved, and Piero, and thanks for racing all :) And congrats Greg and podium from div A. ;)

Not a DQ Dean but you don't get any points. I could have ejected you but if you then had problems joining UKGPL3 that would have meant no racing. Did not want to do that to you.

That is one of your two drops though.

So I guess the server crashed?
Checked on Igor after disco and GPL3 was still there so had an early night, will know to wait longer next time. Oh well live and learn.

Boggy

Yup, I did the same Boggy, dropped back in to IGOR and the server still showed as populated with 12 cars. I had been ejected back to desktop and assumed that I had just experienced another freeze.  I have had a couple lately, and until this moment was beginning to suspect a problem with my ISP, so at least it was a server issue and not my connection.

On the other hand I was a bit miffed to have taken an early bath and missed out on yet another race after starting so well.

I find with the F2's that a good setup works just about anywhere and on all of the FVA cars, except for the Protos which needs special attention ( and of course the BT14 and Fezza). So I rolled up at Kyalami with the Brab and a setup from a previous race. The gearing needed lengthening for the straight, but otherwise it all felt good.

I put in a banker lap to get me up to 3rd on the grid and then set about settling myself in on race fuel. Gradually I dialled right into the track and pipped Axel for 2nd spot with a smooth clean lap that did not actually feel that fast. Hmmmmm maybe there is more in this setup. I was hoping to get a tow as I reckon that is worth a good 0.5 secs if you catch it right, but every time I caught up with another car they were slower through the corners and I actually lost time. I was happy enough with 2nd place and carried on lapping on race fuel feeling where the braking points were etc. I saw that the qually session was about to end and thought about parking it and relaxing before the start, but decided to just do one more lap and explore the limits of adhesion just a little more. I ran in clear air and with race fuel on board turned in a 1:21.6, which was a real suprise to me !!

The start went well and I could see that Greg was biding his time and planning to use the draft when he got in position on the straight. My job was to make sure he never got "in position" ;).

The first few laps were slippery on race fuel and cold tyres and numerous small mistakes kept the lap times down. I was just beginning to feel that things were warmed up and that I could really push and when Greg vanished from the mirrors at T2. For a moment I thought he had run wide and smiled, but then I noticed the "Q" bar growing and got a sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach as i waited for the inevitable  :-\...... and it happened 2 corners later, when night fell suddenly and I had no lights!!!

It was shaping up to be a good dice with Greg and my car felt fast and stable, so I was looking forward to it, but.....................
 

Not exactly how it happened or looked on the replay I saw but sorry if you felt aggrieved Robert.

As for holding the leaders up a bit that's what backmarkers sometimes inadvertently do particularly when they are having their own race with someone. I stayed left on both occasions all the way down the straight and around turn 1 to allow anyone to slipstream past. Unfortunately no one went past although someone did try to go through me?

Anyway, apologies to Dave C for not realising you were still up my inside when I turned into you at turn 2 I think. My fault.

Always worth waiting a few minutes in iGOR if you are ejected without a screen freeze.

Oddly, everyone except me got ejected, including Joseph. That indicates that my house dropped off the internet for a short while because the server was fine. Apologies for that but it does happen occasionally.

Once again we had more than twenty racers so the two grid solution looks like staying in place.

As for the race itself. I had hoped to stay in front of Billy so that not everybody lapped me. Wasn't to be. Just not comfortable with these F2s. And, as Joseph said "Dad - you suck in F2s". Proud of what he is doing (if a bit miffed  ::) ).

At least one Whitfield can race these things.

I shouldn't be too terribly proud of Newblood, Paul.  I"ll be filing incident reports...yes, that's plural...over one of the least skilful and pathetic drives I've ever had the misfortune to witness(let alone be savaged by).  :(

This kinda crap has got to stop!

:( I'll take a look and give him some advice on keeping it clean.

I had a good race. I only made one major mistake. I should have slowed down more when I passed a spun car. I recovered from that unscathed, and I had a lot of fun trying to stay in front of (a faster) Ronnie. I thought that our battle would have escalated when the leaders lapped us, but instead, it gave me some breathing room. My confidence level is a little closer to where it needs to be (in the F2's). Good race, Walter

No worries Ronnie, appreciate your comment, however I did submit an inc report for the mods to look at (not me) after the race...

No problem Robert. My comment was in no way made to deter you from making a report. In my opinion people should deal with these things as they see fit and move on. Good luck.

 :'( Disappointed/ joined server/ phone went/ daughter stranded no trains needed lift/ exit server/ no race. :(
 Hope you all had a good one.
 Grats to podiums.

Really enjoyed the tussle myself Walter but I appreciate the leaders were a little frustrated and less happy by my apparent reluctance to give up the chase. Welll done mate.

Very impressive times in div. B! Were those times without a slipstream? I was never able to break into the 1:21s even though my ideal lap time in pribluda was almost identical to Clive's initial pole time of 1:21.6X. I actually set my fastest lap of the day in the first race attempt while tailing Clive, 1:22.03. I was wondering how far he'd drag me into the 1:21's. I've found that I can cut into my lap times significantly in the F2 cars when tailing a faster driver.


I was miffed too. Mainly because my victory would have been due to your disco.


Yep, I used a Sachsenring setup I developed during the week that was based on my Zandvoort setup.


Just what I did. I was very pleased that I got out early and ran some smooth laps. I was going to be satisfied with anything under 1:22.3. I like to relax at least a couple of minutes prior to the race starting. I actually had enough time to grab a bite to eat, top off my drink, and relieve myself. I couldn't have asked for more. :)


It may have been difficult to keep me out of position. When I got through the esses well, I seemed to be particularly strong in the third sector all afternoon. Something I was going to need to have a chance at slipstreaming.


Your car started flickering just as you turned into BBQ Bend. I slowed a lot and exited the Bend on the right side of the track worrying we'd warp into each other. Your car never reappeared. I didn't smile. I was disappointed that it appeared you had been disconnected. I was booted just like you, two turns later.

My car felt good too. I was surprised I beat my qualifying time on lap 3 considering I wasn't pushing very hard and I was braking a little early to make sure we had plenty of space between each other. I was looking forward to the rest of the race too. I already had it in my mind that the only chance of beating you would have been to pass you before entering turn 1 on the last lap and then hoping I could drive the rest of the lap cleanly. I tried a few times practicing to follow a car out of the last sharp turn and slipstream by before the finish line. It never worked.

I hope I see you on the track again in the future when you're not lapping me. If I do, I know it's because I'm having a good drive. Take care Clive.

Mr Cattini,
from the first time I personally had the occasion to race with you, sincerely,
I felt that there's some problem with your behaviors, at least in track and races.

As I don't like to live in past and do not want exhume deaths, I speak about
yesterday final part of the race, in that circumstance I was a pair of seconds
behind Piero so I have witnessed all.

You was neraly one lap back of us but you stay in normal race line without
leaving room to us to pass without risk, and this not for some bend but a lot
more, so much that you made me lose a lot of time only to lessen the risk to be
sunk by you, and, finally, causing the incident with Piero, because you clearly
lift gas at the Kink (server time 33'49") with Piero immediately back of you
when you have had all the time to give him room to pass.

I understand that is not easy to leave pass but others, a lot less experienced,
graphomaniacs and crybabies than you, have been able to do without any problems,
for themself and others.

So, what I feel and what I think is that you have to grow, become adult,
conscious and aware of what happens on the track around you.

To be fast without competence is only a childish behavior and unjustifiable,
seems to me that you are thinking to race alone against all.

As ever, apologies are useless, not because I don't like, but because they prove
that you learned nothing from yourself errors and, indeed, seem to be an
additional damage.

Like a scratched record, you continue undaunted to repeat the same phrase,
mercy mercy me indefinitely, but like the turntable, you understand nothing
about what you say and never do nothing to improve.

I've done a 21.1 in training in the M4A, close to unofficial WR, in Practise reproduced that without a tow. Car was slightly damaged in race, I'm pretty sure with a good car and tow I could have done 20s in the end in a clean lap. Ran alone in most of the race and when I got a tow I messed up the lap...

Doni, your comment on my driving, in my opinion, was rather rude and, I think, unjustified. I've taken a look at the two incidents.

The first, you make the pass before t1, and then you cut back back in too early and as I take my normal line, your car turns without any apparent contact. This is seemingly down to you as you were not careful to complete the overtake.

The second incident, I admit, was probably my fault, yet I kept very close to my side of the track whilst trying to make the pass and the car simply slid wide into yours.

I'm not sure I understand everything you have to say Roberto but I think I get the gist, you don't like me. I shall refrain from responding to your personal insults here and also for that matter Piero's colourful comments in chat after the race.

A brief description of how I saw the lapping incident is somewhere above so I will not elaborate further. But what I would say is that if you, Piero or anyone else think I did not leave Piero room and/or deliberately brake tested him to cause an incident then report it.

I have to say I find your comments regarding the respect and care that should be accorded to the leaders by those who are not contesting the same lead a little hypocritical. There was a time when I agreed totally with this attitude myself but was forced to question this position. I note the general topic of lapping behaviour has been discussed elsewhere this season with contrasting views by those lapping and being lapped. I'm sure your views will be taken into account.

As for apologising when I have been involved in an incident whether I feel I have been at fault or not, I will continue to do so. Your not the first person to question my sincerity and maybe you won't be the last. I'm not offended when people refuse to accept them, its a free world. We all make mistakes at some time Roberto, even you. Okay I get it you hate it I don't. But just because you don't does not mean I can't, get over it.

One last comment on your first comment. You seem to have made your mind up pretty quickly about me from when we first started racing. Your entitled to your opinion but for myself I am quite happy with my gradual improvement in performance, behaviour and dare I say it contribution from the side lines here at UKGPL. As for yourself, leaving this season aside, I seem to remember racing with you from as early as the now defunct PSC up to last season in the old F2 single championship. Its a shame those two series have fallen by the wayside for now, but I'm sure you have more to contribute here at UKGPL.

Please feel free to respond anyway you wish but forgive me if I don't. Time to try and move on.

Gentleman,
You have each made your point & the forum is open to all drivers to comment, provided the language & tone meets the standards expected by UKGPL.

If there are specific incidents then we have a system for filing reports which will be reviewed by the moderators.

I'd prefer if this race thread does not descend into a long dispute.

Thanks.

I agree with Roberto and Doni........... ;D ;D

Fratelli d'Italia !

Uniamoci, amiamoci
L'unione e l'amore
Rivelano ai Popoli
Le vie del Signore
Giuriamo far Libero
Il suolo natìo
Uniti, per Dio,
Chi vincer ci può?

Brothers of Italy!

Let us unite and love one another
The union and love
Reveal to peoples
The ways of the Lord
Let us swear to Free
The native soil
United under God,
Who can defeat us?

- Well the mods for one  ;D

Allons enfants de la Patrie, le jour de gloire est arrivé!  ;D

I've been meaning to tell you Billy, I like that avatar. I've been listening to my On Stage CD repeatedly for about a year now while in the car. I put one in the player and leave it there until it starts annoying me. I think I played one of the Frank Zappa, Shut Up and Play Yer Guitar CDs for almost three years before I changed it.

"If I was high on a hill, she would still be looking down on me!"  :taz:

Yes I am singing that every times I start a race, here ...unfortunately "le jour de gloire" rarely happend to me  :(

So roughly translated that means, "Come on Patrick's children, this is Gloria's day y'know!" and yet Gloria never arrives :(

;)

Ze English Peasant, they are very pleasant . . . "Zut Ahlors!"  ;)

is it Google translator ? :D
 
Patrie is not Patrick, we are not Irish  :D :D

Patrie means Homeland. 

I make it 19 starters combining the two grids together for this event...

It WAS a joke David.... I can actually speak French, I worked in Paris for 6 months and NOBODY speaks English there!!!

Paul, it's not true !
Maybe you worked in Paris 40 years ago  ;)  but now a lot of people could speak English in Paris (at least the youngest or the high and middle classes)...of course not Shakespeare's english :)

Mod published. :)

(Thanks!)

Mod published  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

No thanks!

Thanks Bill for your efforts and time ;)