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The third round of the season 26 Historics championship (mod66) will be at PORTO.


The full time drivers can start to practice as soon as the server is available.  Reserve drivers can also join as soon as the server becomes available but must leave the server with 35 minutes of qualifying left, for a total of 5 minutes; this will allow any remaining full timers to join.  If there is enough space on the grid, the reserve drivers will be able to rejoin when there are 30 mins of qualifying left. 

Please restrict chat to pit messages including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

The race will be run under PRO rules so no resets are allowed.


For THIS RACE, 2 liters car must be selected

All drivers have free choice (2liters cars only).


Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL_T7_2
IP address = 62.149.202.168
Race date = Tuesday 11-02-2014
Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Track =Porto58
Race length = 19 laps
Variant = 1966
Damage Model = Pro
Qualifying time = minimum of 30 minutes

Password see above (#post_event_password)
Replay will be here (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Replays/Archive/Season26/Historics/)

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=429&theme=6)

Full moderation of lap one red zone :
For this event the red zone will be from the start to the Ruo do Lidador. Other moderation will be on reported incidents only.  However any incidents that occur in the red zone that are not reported by the drivers will be reported by the moderator.

Porto with pro damage? Srsly?

Train tracks, telephone poles, hidden bumps, slippery, no, GREASY curbs, constantly changing track surface, all surrounded by sticky magnetic haybales.

If I was a religious man...  ;)

edit: I vote for extending red zone to two full laps. Opinions?

I don't think it is a more difficult track than Borovaya, Ahvenisto, Bathurst ...
As usual, it depends of the racers !

I can remember we already race here in the past. It was in mod65 if I'm not mistaken.
...and there was a huge crash at the end of the long straight just after the first corner !

so please, if you don't know this track, make several tries to know exactly where to brake (with full tank, cold tyres...) and do not change your line if you are side by side with another car (even if you cant see it in your mirrors).

You can count of me to be a very severe moderator with the guilty driver ...even if one or two of them thinks it is useless to give penalties  ::)



By the way, I will (try to) start a training server tonight around 8.00 PM (UK time)
 

Hi , can you put me in for this series if there's room for a little 'un ! Ta  :)

Bernie

if you have registered here  https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=12130.0
it should be ok

do you see the password for the race at the top of this topic ? if yes, registration is ok.

Yes I did register but I cannot see the P/W  :'(

Should be OK now Bernie

Another possible latecomer here  ;)

and lap 2 it ends, thanks for the wham someone WHAT THE F*** has to happen here????!??!?!??11


edit: /my hopes for this season :(

Short race for me too  :-\

As one of the early retirees having looked at the replay I can only say I have to laugh and move on. Good luck to those still running in particular Martin who threaded his way through. Better luck next time to all who are out.

No luck here Ronnie!  During praccy I discovered my car was possessed by a Demon.  On full tanks, it required plenty of exorcizing, before being quelled.  I decided to take a casual race approach.  I could already predict, someone would get hobbled, while the pack was getting cobbled.

No surprise when Ronnie and two, were quickly nobbled by a silly mistake ahead, which I survived.  But the casual approach caused me a silly 10mph mistake, at the tight left, whose padding had earlier seemed harmless.  After somehow just surviving the previous mayhem, it was the last straw!  I suggest severe penalties for all such disharmonious lumps.  Lock them up without bale! >:(

Well that was a decent result for me given my stupid mistake at the start. 

Before the race I needed a toilet break but I didn't realise the practice was almost finished.  When I got back on my computer the green button was off and then it appeared so I clicked it expecting to be on the grid and found myself in the pit lane.  It took another 15 seconds or so for me to realize I'd missed the start!

After that it was a game of cat and mouse.  I pushed as hard as I could to catch up but there was no way I was going to pull back the 1.5 miles I'd lost.  I put in some laps that were much faster than my qually time (I was pleased with that) but the only places I made up were because other drivers crashed.   Fourth in the end was a good result, before the race I'd have settled for that with a good start!

Grats, Clive!  Great drive.

I mis-counted my VW Micro Vans on the run into T3.  Missed my braking point by, oh, say 100m.  'nuff said.

Thanks Doni, and yes I almost made that same mistake a couple of times during the race when my mind went AWOL. I was looking for the blue VW on the right as a warning point and OK for a safe braking marker and that the next green van was my limit and to be used ONLY if things were getting desperate. lol

grats to Tristan, Axel and Phil for making it to the finish on a track which I always see as a high speed Monaco, there is nowhere to make a mistake and not hit something hard. Even the haybales are sticky concrete!!!

A very strange evening for me, I was so tired after work that slumped in my armchair watching TV I contemplated a DNS for this one. Eventually I joined Igor with about 25mins left in qually, but which car to use? I had done zero practice for this race as I knew the track quite well. I could take my old favourite the Brabham BRM, but the history of this race suggested a lot of incidents that usually involve multiple innocent bystanders, so I figured why not try something else and run from the back of the grid hoping to pick up some places? So I chose the BRM V8 2 ltr when I noticed that most people had opted for the 2.7 Brabham, I was always a rebel at heart! lol

Fuelled the BRM for the race as I usually do, tweaked the default setup to more familiar values and went out for a couple of feeler laps. Posted a 5th place I think on my 1st flyer, which was very surprising although the car felt OK I had to make a couple of adjustments in the pits to corect some oversteer.  Another few laps and I just hooked up a very smooth run that really did not feel fast, but posted a PB at this track......hmmmm  pole position  ::)
I was amazed that Tristan did not do his usual last minute banzai lap and take the pole position, in fact I was hoping that he would because leading into the straight for the 1st lap meant I was a sitting duck for a slipstream pass  :-\
I'm not really sure how I stayed ahead of Tris for the 1st lap as he definitely had  my slipstream, but perhaps he was just waiting ??? :shifty: :shifty: :shifty: :shifty:

I remembered that there was more than one route through the haybales on the final turn and one of those allowed me to carry a few extra KPH onto the S/F straight, but it did require me to thread a needle with the BRM which was sliding on that cobbled surface at ridiculous speed. I used this on the first laps when the car was heavy because it opened up the corner and  although risky was a softer line. I think it was on lap 2 or 3 that Tris suddenly vanished from my mirrors at this point and suddenly I was 500mtrs ahead  :o.

The rest of the race was a case of managing the gap back to Tristan. I could afford to play at 95% pace and avoid any risky moves and still hold the gap. I figured that it was Tris who would have to push hard if he wanted to catch me and just concentrated on getting my braking and apexes smooth. It was quite a lonely race after that and because so many DNF's I did not even see a backmarker.

So, after almost not turning up for this race, and choosing a car with no setup or practice it turned out to be quite profitable for points  ;) One just never knows what will happen in GPL ......

After the first laps ,with a yellow flag at the first curve,was impossible to me to avoid the contact with the car of Darwin.Sorry Darwin but with the car stopped also a  slight contact is enough to send a car in the air.A second yellow flag in the same location sent me in confusion and with the care to avoid a second contact i have chosen a large trajectory but wrong ending my race on the bale hay.
Again without a point in the rank!

I took a very cautious start and was in last position after the first long straight.

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Francesco,
you overtook me on this long straight and you did it very well, but still on the 1st lap on the last sector you did an error and you restarted slowly on the middle of the track, at this moment I was coming at high speed and I could overtake you without contact or warp ...but it was a miracle !!
In case of accident, who of us would have been the responsible ? me for a blatant rear end shunt  or you for bad rejoin or taking not enough care ?
 
You cannot always say "some incident are solved depending from the pilots involved." you should also take care of other driver.
Sorry to say that, but it's my responsibility as moderator to take preventive actions...

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After that, happened the accident at the begin of the second lap (as it was not on red zone, only reported incidents will be moderated), I could avoid any contact with other cars ...2nd miracle for me.

but there was no 3rd miracle and I made a big fault on the lap 9 and finished my race in a haybale (if I did one lap more, I could have scored 25 or 28 points !!)

Francesco I am sorry but I think you got it wrong , my car was not stopped , I had slowed to avoid the accident . In fact I was following David through the melee , the yellow flags were clearly visible and were being waved , you reacted far too late .

We also had a close shave on Lap 1 when you chose to recover from your spin by driving at slow speed onto the racing line when really you should have stayed into the side until you had got back up to speed .



 

Had the 6th spot in Qualifying. After a while the bar in the middle(think Quality that is)  was rising higher and higher. Finally got a disco from the server. After rejoining that happened again.  :( Saw some people during the Qualifying disconnecting and rejoining again, so I thought that was a problem of the others as well. After Qualify and just before the start I was disconnected again and that was it.  :o All other seemed to get a going?

You are right but when there is an error is impossible to think also to the other.
My sentence "some incident are solved depending from the pilots involved" is referred to the fact that i have already explained you.No penalty in one case and strong penalty in the other with the same dynamics.

In effect i did not say that i'm not wrong,simply I said that how  a so slight touch can do in fly a car.
If you see the replay my speed was strongly reduced at the time of the impact,i have blocked the brake but without succes.

@Dave: wish granted.

@Dean and co involved in the mayhem on lap 2: you lot have me to blame for the final hit, the rest was nothing to do with me though!

It did look like one heck of a hit thought Jethro :-)

Sorry for creating an incident on L2, but the carnage was.... nothing to do with me!

Ultimately the incident started with me having a wobble all on my own, and Dean having no chance to avoid me. I have had a couple of races where downshifting doesn't seem to work, and this was another example. I tried to shift down, nothing happened, and I lost the balance of the car and span pressing the brake harder, as I couldn't rely on getting enough engine braking in the higher gear. The same thing ended my race 4 laps from the end at the same corner. Still haven't worked out if it is me getting lazy shifting, or something random happening in the wheel/PC...

A couple of laps before my demise Phil appearaed at one hell of a speed in my mirrors. The lap boards were telling me he was a lap behind, but I wondered if the server had lost him at some point - he was travelling way to fast to be a lap down. At one point he got past, and I saw he was warping quite a bit. I started to worry that I was allowing him to get away, and I'd later find it was actually a race for position, so I sped up, and managed to pass him. Soon after I lost it at T2, but it 'only' cost me one position in the final standings, due to attrition.......

Arf

@Arf: I try not to have small accidents. Not worth having them otherwise! ;D (For the record, I'm kidding... I am the accident!)

Also, whilst looking at Prib is useful, occasionally it's not worth tracking the position of the car relative to you on the road, as sometimes it can be way out and tracking a runner who's no longer on the course, or could be a lap down.

EDIT: I had the same issue on downshifts caused by a sticky button not always responding. I changed the mapping and am better for it, but may be worth some practice laps to be sure.

One question and curiosity for all in the forum.
Years ago i have applied a "virtual" mirror that appeared on the top of the screen like Pribluda.At the moment i'm not able to find this patch again.I don't remember if this mirror improved also the side view.What could be interesting would be a similar mirror with the 2 side included,in this way we could solve the problem of many incidents due to the lack of side view like in the reality.Obviously we can't expect to delete all the incident ,also because they happen in few seconds where sometime is difficult to make the right maneuver,but could be a great help

Francesco

Please give real examples of what you say.
I already tried to explain you the differences for the one you indicated me (you and Clive in Le Mans VS you and Fabio in Zandvoort, both in Historics).
Find some other examples...

The example is this one.I sent an e-mail to you based on the observation on this 2 incidents and the different sentence.In your answer you explain me why ,in your opinion,the different sentence.
Could i express my disagreement with this sentence?

Yes, you can.

But .....you are not Obama! ;D

moderation posted.

Merci beaucoup  !