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THIS POST IS FOR BOTH GRIDS

Round 4 & the Formula 2 series is in the Swiss mountains at Jops Siffert. It’s a fantasy track, nice graphics & good for racing.

The series will be run on two separate grids;  Group A (on UKGPL3) & Group B(on T7). Please ensure you join the correct race.

Drivers have been allocated to the grids as below
Group A
Arf, Cookie, Dean Logan, Doni Yourth, Evil, Greg T, Marco, Natan, Fulvio, Badblood, Billy, Boggy, Il Lupo & Newblood.
RACE ON UKGPL3

Group B
Phil Thornton, Piero Mercaldo, Rainier, Raoni, Robert Fleurke, Roberto Teso, Ronnie, Samb, Turkey Machine, Iestyn, Dave Curtis, Rog, Maddog, & Walter
RACE ON UKGPL_T7


ONE reset is allowed but the Shift R must be followed by a Stop & Go in the pit lane within TWO laps. If you Reset on the last lap a 15 second time penalty will be awarded. Drivers must complete 50% of the race distance to score.

Now the championship has settled handicaps will be introduced  from this race. As we are running two grids of 10 – 12 cars only the top 3 are handicapped.
Grid A – Marco Mercado – Group I = Ferrari or BT14
Natan & Greg Taber – Group II = Cooper, Ferrari or BT14
Grid B – Roberto Teso & Robert Fleurke - Group II = Cooper, Ferrari or BT14
Ronnie Peterson – Group III = Lola, Lotus, Cooper, Ferrari or BT14

Race List = IGOR
Group A
Server = UKGPL3
IP = ukgpl3.dyndns.org
Group B
Server=UKGPL_T7_2
IP = 62.149.202.168
Race date = 16 March 2014
Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Track = Jops Siffert (http://www.f1legends.ch/update/circuits/jops.php)
Race length = 25 Laps
Variant = 1967 Formula 2
Damage Model = Intermediate
Qualifying time = max. 30 minutes
Password: see above (#post_event_password)
Replays available here (http://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/inc_replaysS26_js.aspx)

GPL F2 Mod: The initial release of the F2 mod will be used. The mod can be found here (http://http://www.f2legends.net/F2Downloads.htm)


The Driver list, Championship Table and series rules can be found here: Formula Two Trophy (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=425&theme=6)

Please restrict chat to pit messages including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

Moderating The red zone will be fully moderated, the red zone will be from the start to the apex of the Scherrer corner . Other moderation will be on reported incidents only or at the Moderators discretion.

Please can you confirm if I am handicapped Billy as I don't have a 30 point margin over 4th place? Also why is the car handicapping different between Group A and B anyway? Plus any news on the moderation from Spa just in case this affects any handicapping?

Ronnie,
Handicaps are as follows (apart from removing the handicap for 4th & 5th because we are running two medium size rather than one full grid. This applies for all of Season 26).
Group I - Ferrari or BT14 = 1st place driver if 30 points ahead
Group II - Cooper = 1st place driver, less than 30 points ahead. Or 2nd place or 3rd place if 30 points ahead
Group III - Either Lotus or either Lola = 2nd & 3rd if less than 30 points ahead

You are in 3rd place but less than 30 points ahead.

The handicap is different between Grid A & B because of the points difference between the drivers.

Cheers for the update Billy. I did not realise everyone else knew this already and/or did not care anyway!

Thanks Bill, looking forward to drive a slower chassis' and getting in the mix, also looking forward to learn a new track, and looking forward to have consistent FPS, as I think/hope my overheating CPU was the culprit... :)

This still going on T7_2 after the issues experienced the last few races on it?

Race distance 25 laps, really?

fortunately I wasn't planning on doing this one anyway.   ;)

Average lap time of 90 seconds, works out around 37 minutes. I expect this to be over with by 35 minutes as those quick enough will be comfortably below 90 seconds a lap. However it depends whether those survive! ;) ;D

At 25 laps its sure to be short for those that survive as you rightly point out. But I thought the fun race was on Fridays  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I've put on some stiffer springs, slightly bigger bumprubbers and one click more on the bump (than normally), in order not to bottom out in the corner May, even when you steer in too late and miss the apex/line. Maybe it helps some.

Racelength has been mostly 37-40mins so far in F2 this season, 25 laps here will mean about 36-37mins, rules say about 40mins. So 25 laps here is not incredibly short or so ;)

I've found the F2 races to be the most fun this season, so am looking forward to this one! I enjoy the circuit, it suits my style, and I just need to get the setup to my liking so I can push it a bit further.

Pleas note that Grid B will start on UKGPL8 tonight.

Would someone please do the kind thing and put a bullet into the GridA server?  Thanks.

Disco'd just past half distance.  Saw my Latency and Quality bars rising slowly over the course of a lap or so then...

And if you a spare cartridge, you might want to put it into Frank.  :(

I didn't see any stutter at all tonight Doni...

Doni and I had an interesting first couple of laps. At T1 we came together and both ended up dead last. Its obviously one for the mods, but I felt that Doni came into me, as I had taken a tight line into the bend as we were alongside each other....then as we came into T1 for the second time Doni and I had caught up with the back of the pack. Marco ahead of me had a moment and I tried to take avoiding action. This only served to unbalance the car and I went sideways, and Doni probably had nowhere to go....This time I ended up upside down, so had a nervous rest of the race, as I wasn't convinced I'd set the gearing properly and was just waiting for the engine to pop...

Some curious stuff happened later in teh race, never mind Dini's disco. I have grudgingly started using the Prib bar that tells you relative distance to those around you, and Greg started jumping 700m ahead of me, then 100 behind etc. When his name went dark green I assumed (correctly) that the server had lost him, so was never sure what position he was in..until I passed him after a spin. All of a sudden I was 3rd, but it looks like Clive may be reinstated ahead of me...does that mean we need to called him Riccievil???  :D

Enjoyed the race, even if the pace was hot and I was not. Pleased to have finished mostly in one piece, and congrats to Robert setting a new UKGPL race record (and possible qualifying record) in the process of taking the chequered flag.

Now I'm thinking I might need to quit using it. I do like it for reentering the track after an off and I like to check lap times and time gaps when convenient instead of relying on the pit board. About the only thing I looked at during the race was if Clive was leaving Axel and I behind and if Dean was closing on us. I checked my lap times occasionally to see how fast I'm going.

When GPL quit scoring me, most of the green and white text on the top of the screen changed to red and I got so distracted I wrecked. First time pribluda's wrecked me in a long time. I'm pretty good at ignoring it.

That was a fun race except for my two problems. Axel did all he could to get me on the podium. He drug me along at least a dozen laps. I struggled with the first lap and lost Clive and Axel's slipstream pretty quick. I would have liked to have seen how Clive might have pulled me along. Axel was kind of enough to spin and let me catch up. I followed him very closely for a lap or two and noticed Dean was gaining on us and I wasn't getting by Axel anytime soon. I backed off a little bit and that seemed to help Axel pick up the pace and we started pulling away from Dean a little bit. About 2/3's through the race I blew the engine. That let Dean by, and unfortunately I had to do a stop and go so I wasn't able to use his slipstream. A lap or two later I got the distraction that helped me relinquish another position to Arf. I was in position to get a very nice finish but I'm not disappointed with 5th. I just don't have the experience to place the Cooper on the podium, yet.

The connection seemed good. Axel's car never looked strange or flashed once that I noticed. Only problem I had was his car would distract me slightly from the apex of some turns. I had to think to myself at one point "less focus on Axel, more on the apex." I got plenty of time to look for a place to make a pass late in the race but I never saw one. Axel would pull away from me under acceleration and I'd make up the time in at least 2 or 3 turns.

Congratulations Clive, Axel, and Dean! Well done guys!

Thanks, I appreciate the fun.

Really sorry to hear Doni  :'( Just hoping for some better luck for you, buddy ;)

Paul's server has always been kind to me, but of course you can't buy anything for that...just hoping your luck concerning connection/warp will improve...sometimes it's very hard to put a finger on what's the problem...it could just be a whale in the ocean so to speak...

We should be very thankful for private servers like Paul's and Axel's...would be great if we could add a few...so far I've had only probs with T7 seeing (server)warp...you can be sure UKGPL does its best to provide good raceservers...



As far my race, I hoped for consistent FPS, and that went well, very happy about that. Had a good quali and was able to do a sub27 in clean air, which was good for pole. I think I did underestimate the capabilities of the Cooper, which lacks on the straights but is very good handling.

Race started well, took the lead, but Piero was able to pass me on the straight. Inherited the lead again when he went wide in May, and Jethro was not too far away behind me. But Piero charged up again, and I made a mistake in Jops and he could pass me again. Piero went through the lapped cars better than me, and then I had a brainfart in May, totally missed the turn and went hard into the fences.

Car was damaged, but in F2 minor problems don't matter too much...


Had some more understeer in righthanders, and had to adjust driving, but being angry with myself I started to push like hell, and was able to improve the current UKGPL race laprecord. When Jethro did a halfspin out of Toulo, I inherited P2, and I'm still not sure what happened to Piero, who deserved to win...

In short terms, got very lucky to win, that I didn't deserve, despite my pace. Had a few bad laps and messed up May once. The Cooper is a great handicap at tracks like Spa/Monza, but at fluent tracks where handling is important, it's pretty competitive...so Ronnie, I like to apologize to you saying the Coop was at least 1s slower than the top chassis in F2 on most tracks. On this track maybe a few tenths...  :angel:

Congrats to Grid A winner and podium, sry to hear about the problems...well done Jethro and Phil for podium finishes in Grid B. Commiserations to all who suffered from bad luck in whatever way...

My connection for the Grid A server was solid all race.

Had one of my best F2 races. With the lack of slower drivers I started in the familiar back of the grid position - but not too far off the pace. There was a major incident at T1 which moved me up to 5th place. Only one mistake the whole race in T1 about half way through which put be back in the last of the running cars just behind Marco. As Marco was handicapped in the Ferrari I was able to stay with him for a good dozen laps to the flag. Never close enough for a pass - but very close. As an extra bonus I didn't get lapped.
According to the finish result I beat Evil & Greg - but I suspect that will be adjusted.

Might have some family obligations that will keep me away from the next race.

Quite a good race for me.  Had a 15 lap battle with Roberto in his Cooper.  I had the power of the Matra so I could stay with him on the straights but Roberto was very quick in the corners.  For lap after lap I practiced passing him on the finish straight but I could never get ahead before the line so I knew it wasn't the right strategy for a last lap challenge.  I was going to have to do it somewhere else if I was going to beat Roberto over the line.  On the last lap I got a good drive out of the esses and got ahead of Roberto before the difficult "jump".  I held the inside line but my rear end stepped out a bit which probably put Roberto off (there is no contact on my replay); he got sideways and scrubbed off a lot of speed which gave me the chance to stay ahead until the chequered flag.

The pass looks clean on my replay but there was a bit of warp so perhaps the server replay will be different.  Feel free to submit an incident report Roberto.

Can anyone shed any light on why Clive is shown as a DQ. I will review the replay and adjust the results but any 'on track' info might help.

It looked like GPL quit scoring him with about 2 or 3 laps to go, maybe 4. It quit scoring me with about 7 laps to go.

From my replay, he was waaaay to the inside into T1 most laps. Is there "no go" line there he may have crossed? From what I remember from the track building pages I read way back when, they can be put in (usually on the inside of corners the track maker doesn't want people to cut too badly) and if you cross them, it's black flag time [and good luck stopping exactly in your pitbox to clear it]).

Server doesn't register him starting final lap (his indicator still says "lap 24 of 25" 'til the end). He did complete all the laps.

Thanks guys. I'll correct the results tonight.

Just one of those nights on a tough track with with cars with variable performance on different sections. However this resulted in some great battles with Dave and Bernie although it was  tough avoiding each other at times. I certainly gave Dave an extra push from behind at one point and me and Bernie seemed determined to scrap over the same bit of tarmac with inevitable paint swapping. Sorry guys but don't misunderstand me when I say it was fun. One spin too may left me with no place to go and my race was over. Looking at the results some others clearly ran into trouble as well. Better luck next time.

Grats to Robert, Jethro and Phil.

Grats Robert!

For me Disco 2 corners from the finish line >:(

Ciao !!

Hoping it's just my view, but it looks like Jops dropped off the calendar. Seems unfortunate for such a good result! :D

Thanks Piero, I was bummed for you, you deserved the win, not me...don't like to win like that, even though a win is a win...sorry to see you disconnect :( Hope you have better luck next time, and I'm sure you will win a few races if your connection holds ;)

Ciao amico :)

Results updated. Let me know if there are any other issues.

Only a few notes, to be precise Phil doesn't goes a little but quite a lot sideways, so to finish with his left rear in front of my front right about millimeters.

His speed drop significantly during his drift, if I wasn't careful, nota bene the opposite of distracted, and do a lock brake, I ended up to strike him.

My manouver was be the consequence of Phil so-said clean pass, all this is clearly observable from server replay and from any perspective.

Obviously, I accept any judgment but it would be more polite if you avoided to comments behavior without presenting evidence.

Roberto you have the right to appeal to the Chief Moderator if you are unhappy with the ruling.  But I'm not quite sure what you are unhappy about.  I thought we had a very fair battle for at least a dozen laps.  We were side by side on many occasions but always gave each other room.  I tried hard to work out where to pass you.  The finish straight was not possible; I could always pass you thanks to the power advantage of my Matra but I was always behind over the finish line.  The only possible place was where I passed you on the last lap.  You could have taken a defensive line there, as you did on a few other laps, but you didn't and you presented me with a chance.  Yes, my rear end stepped out a bit but I was on the limit.  After all it was the last lap and we are racing, did you expect me to just give in?  I know you are a much quicker driver than me and without my car advantage I would not have been able to beat you.  But that is the point of the handicapping, it allows drivers of different abilities to compete on equal terms. 

Win or loose, a battle like ours is why I play GPL.  What is the point of circulating on my own, even if I am miles ahead of everyone else?  I find that sort of race very boring.  I would much rather have a wheel-to-wheel race regardless of whether I win or loose.  At worst you could say my move was a "block pass" but when was that illegal in any form of motorsport?  If it was you would hardly ever see an overtaking move in MotoGP or World Superbikes. 

If you are disputing the statement that you were distracted then fine.  Perhaps it would be more accurate to state you lost control of your car when trying to avoid me once I had passed you.  However that doesn't mean my pass wasn't clean.  I didn't hit you and so my pass was clean.  You should have anticipated my move and made allowances so that you would have been in a better position to keep control your car.  It was as if you were surprised by my move.  You shouldn't have been, you have mirrors.

It is a great pity that after such a great battle you are so negative.  If I was only happy when I win, I'd be the most miserable man in UKGPL.

Dear Phil,
I have nothing against you, our duel was one of the funniest moments of this season, you are witness and we, as far as possible, fought with the utmost respect for the other.
I'm not upset at all about the outcome of moderation, I'm not the judge but the driver, what annoy me are the words used by the moderator.

To report that I might be distracted in this episode after a 10/15 rounds of head to head fight is a unrespectful assessment, completely arbitrary and not relevant, that could instill the suspicion that I was watching girls on the track sides rather than pay the maximum concentration in driving.

This is not true and I want to say it clearly.

Your dispute made me do a recherche about the meaning of the word "distract" and "distratto".
The word seems to have the same origin, but I found a very different understanding in the Italian and English language!

As I am also not native english speaking I often have to use a dictionaire to understand right what is meant.

- "distratto" seems to have a real negative meaning in Italian
BUT
- "distract" seems to have no negative smell!

I don't know where you searched for but I find the same meaning for italian and english, perhaps because all two derivate from latin distractus.

From Treccani online vocabulary
http://www.treccani.it/vocabolario/distratto/ (http://www.treccani.it/vocabolario/distratto/)
Italian
a. Nell’uso com., di persona che ha la mente rivolta altrove, così da non prestare attenzione a ciò che si dice o si fa intorno a lei o da non rendersi perfettamente conto dei suoi stessi atti

My english translation
a. Common use., the person whose mind is directed elsewhere, so do not pay attention to what you say or do around her or not to become fully aware of his own acts

From Merriam-Webster Learner Dictionary
http://www.learnersdictionary.com/definition/distracted (http://www.learnersdictionary.com/definition/distracted)
unable to think about or pay attention to something, unable to concentrate

In german language you commonly use zerstreut or abgelenkt, surely not derivate from latin.

I am using Leo "distratto" (http://dict.leo.org/itde/index_de.html#/search=distratto&searchLoc=0&resultOrder=basic&multiwordShowSingle=on) and what I get are only negative meaning adjectives.

If I search the English word "distract" (http://dict.leo.org/ende/?lang=de&from=fxdesktop&search=%22distract%22) I get no negative context.

IMO the meaning was more like "irritare qcn." or "spiazzare qcn." = German "jmdn. aus dem Konzept bringen"

Even though we live in an "united Europe", I think there are still some differences in national mentalities and sensibility ;)

Roberto, Cookie

I've huge respect for your linguistic talents.  I've studied French, German and Latin at school and Italian at night school and I am hopeless. I can't remember any of it. 

Roberto, I now understand your position and can appreciate your point of view.  I'm very sure the moderators did not intend to imply any criticism of your racecraft and I think it is an unfortunate consequence of conversing in multiple languages.  I'm sure the moderators will try to phrase things differently in future, but please be assured no defamation was intended.

You also stated "our duel was one of the funniest moments of this season".  Several of our Italian friends use "funniest" in this way to describe having fun or an enjoyable race.  However, funny or funniest implies "comical" rather than "enjoyable".  Another quirk in the English language!

Hope to see you on the track later.  No doubt it will only be on the grid at the start if you are not handicapped by a slow car.  Good luck tonight.