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Title: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Works Trophy (67) - Mexico City - Apr 6
Post by: Phil Thornton on April 03, 2014, 06:30:51 PM +0100
Season 26 Works Trophy - Round 7 - Mexico City

For this race we cross the Atlantic to Mexico and the historic 2.747-mile race track "Autódromo Hermanos Rodriguez" in Mexico City, named for the famous racing drivers Ricardo and Pedro Rodríguez. This track first hosted F1 in 1962 when Ricardo was killed in practice for the non-championship event. Despite this inauspicious start the course was a staple of the F1 championship between 1963 and 1970. This is a tough circuit and if you can avoid the polos there should be some close racing.

For Season 26, all drivers must complete at least 50% of race distance to be classified.

Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL_GPG
IP address = 62.195.2.111
Race date = 06-04-2014
Race Time = race starts at 21:30 UK time
Qualifying Time = Between 30 and 60 minutes, starting no later than 21:00 UK time
Track = Mexico (Papyrus Original)
Variant = 67F1
Damage Model = PRO
Race length = 50 minutes (laps 28)
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Replays Available here (http://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/inc_replaysS26_js.aspx)

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=427&theme=6)

The full time drivers can start to practice as soon as the server is available.  Reserve drivers can also join as soon as the server becomes available but must leave the server with 35 minutes of qualifying left, for a total of 5 minutes; this will allow any remaining full timers to join.  If there is enough space on the grid, the reserve drivers will be able to rejoin when there are 30 mins of qualifying left. 

Moderating The red zone will be fully moderated for lap 1 only. For this event the red zone will be from the start to the exit of the hairpin (turn 6 before the Esses). Other moderation will be on reported incidents only.  However any incidents that occur in the red zone that are not reported by the drivers will be reported by the moderator.  This will allow all affected drivers the opportunity to present their case before the incident is moderated.  This should ensure there are no surprises when the moderator's report is published and hence appeals will be less likely.  If you haven't received a PM about an incident before the link below the results table is removed, you can be sure that you will not appear in the moderator's report.

The chassis token system is explained on the Works (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=427&theme=6) standings page. Please ensure you choose a chassis that is within your budget, which can be seen by hovering the mouse over your points total in the standings.

Please restrict chat to pit messages including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

Password: see above (#post_event_password)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Works Trophy (67) - Mexico City - Apr 6
Post by: Turkey Machine on April 05, 2014, 02:55:47 PM +0100
Hi folks, my test box is up and running for a couple of hours so if you'd like to give it a go please feel free to log on in iGOR, or PM me for the public IP address if you need a direct connection. Still working on some aspects of things, i.e. a loose grid, but connect to it and do some running... feedback much appreciated.

I will re-run this tonight after dinner for some evening practice. :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Works Trophy (67) - Mexico City - Apr 6
Post by: maddog on April 05, 2014, 06:21:40 PM +0100
It works, it works!  Connected briefly via Gem, but I was all alone and frightened.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Works Trophy (67) - Mexico City - Apr 6
Post by: Turkey Machine on April 05, 2014, 07:03:26 PM +0100
*woohoo's in quiet relief*

More mods needed, plus the actual delivery of the circuits, but it's a start!

This is a machine I inherited from SRoU member spanner, still in working condition but not powered up since 2012 - 2 years of Windows updates required took 3 days to install!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Works Trophy (67) - Mexico City - Apr 6
Post by: EvilClive on April 05, 2014, 09:44:48 PM +0100
Just had a small scale race with 4 others and it looked fine.  ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Works Trophy (67) - Mexico City - Apr 6
Post by: Turkey Machine on April 05, 2014, 10:55:40 PM +0100
Just had a small scale race with 4 others and it looked fine.  ;D

That's better than the two-man races I have run on it recently. Cookie praised the low meters he saw!!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Works Trophy (67) - Mexico City - Apr 6
Post by: Tom van Ostade on April 06, 2014, 12:16:25 PM +0100
Thank you very much for the efforts with the server Mr. Turkey Machine :) .


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Works Trophy (67) - Mexico City - Apr 6
Post by: Turkey Machine on April 06, 2014, 04:51:30 PM +0100
Thank you very much for the efforts with the server Mr. Turkey Machine :) .

Most welcome! We needed the option of an extra server to be able to run things a bit more smoothly, hopefully with Cookie and the other moderators' help we can get it production-ready!


EDIT: Have put mine up again for Mexico practice for a few goes. :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Works Trophy (67) - Mexico City - Apr 6
Post by: Arf Arf Arf on April 06, 2014, 06:12:17 PM +0100
Jethro, I used it the other night. Looked good, in fact my latency bar (always has a little bit of red) was possibly the lowest I've ever seen for quite a while!

Arf


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Works Trophy (67) - Mexico City - Apr 6
Post by: Turkey Machine on April 06, 2014, 06:43:17 PM +0100
Jethro, I used it the other night. Looked good, in fact my latency bar (always has a little bit of red) was possibly the lowest I've ever seen for quite a while!

Arf

I am both shocked and not really surprised at that. It's on a lightly-used UK BT-backed VDSL2 (FTTC) connection. I know the back-haul stats of the main-link every day, and to be honest GPL doesn't even break a sweat on it.

Interestingly, I did traces and ping-tests of UKGPL_GPG, and UKGPL_T7_2's public IP addresses. The ping of T7 was consistent, but the trace was 12 or 13 from my connection (from London I counted Hurricane Electric's route going to Paris, Zurich, then Milan and spending 3 hops in Italy before going to Gamesclan). UKGPL_GPG was variable ping, but a shorter hop. It would seem Liberty Global now own the internet back-bone of T7's server, and could be the result of the poorer performance (is theirs a virtual box or a physical one)?


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Works Trophy (67) - Mexico City - Apr 6
Post by: Iestyn Davies on April 06, 2014, 07:59:20 PM +0100
Yes, good low latency - I was getting 0.066. I think there's something you have to click etc. to get pings to show up in iGor.

Now, I need to work out how many tokens I have and what my car choices are for the last few races...  :laugh:


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Works Trophy (67) - Mexico City - Apr 6
Post by: DLogan on April 06, 2014, 09:36:45 PM +0100
Can this season be over yet?   :'(


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Works Trophy (67) - Mexico City - Apr 6
Post by: Turkey Machine on April 06, 2014, 09:42:54 PM +0100
Early bath for me, 2 wheels into the hairpin doesn't work so well. Probably a good thing as have been wrestling any car I took here. Hate this place!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Works Trophy (67) - Mexico City - Apr 6
Post by: EvilClive on April 06, 2014, 10:23:31 PM +0100
Big Apologies to anyone who was involved with my projectile in T1.   



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Works Trophy (67) - Mexico City - Apr 6
Post by: Ronniepeterson on April 06, 2014, 10:37:55 PM +0100
Big Apologies to anyone who was involved with my projectile in T1.   

Sorry to see you go Clive. Not a lot you could do from where I was sitting as we all slowed at different rates for the approach to T1. Your race looked run to me by the time I applied the coup de grâce trying to avoid you and the wall. Better luck next time.

Grats again to the podium of Art, Greg and Robert.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Works Trophy (67) - Mexico City - Apr 6
Post by: Arf Arf Arf on April 06, 2014, 11:27:49 PM +0100
Very frustrating... wanted to burn some tokens on the Eagle for this one, but practice suggested that I would destroy the engine. So, I tried to decide betweeen the Brabham and Ferrari, both of which I *appeared* to be able to drive without killing. I was a bit nervous about the engine temps I was running, and a quick chat with Greg confirmed I was running close to where would get nervous, so went for the Brabham..well I was quicker in it anyway...

Onto qually. Surprised to get up to P4 early doors, and even more surprised to keep it. Thought I could go faster, but as I was coming down the straight Tris came out the pits and stayed 100 yds on front of me for 3 laps and destroyed any chance of going faster - Tris, that wasn't cool. I make a point of getting out of people's way on warm up laps, and plenty of people did it for me tonight (I can only thank Clive as an example off the top of my head, but he wasn't the only one). Its not explicitly part of the rules, but there has been much discussion of it this season...Uncle Doni will be displeased with you!!

Onto the race...one of the three ahead of me was slow off the line, and I passed him. I tried to be careful into T1. Others were, I felt, more reckless, and how we all came out past the polos unscathed is more blind luck than judgement, methinks. I settled in for a challenging race. Can't remember who was in front, but Tommie wasn't far behind. Found it interesting that he couldn't draft me on the straight, and I couldn't get a draft away from him. Didn't matter much on lap 5, as my inability to preserve an engine here came back and bit me yet again...and probably gave Tommie a fright as well?

All was not lost for Team Baarf though, as Deutsche Telekom have finally deigned to let Baab back into the fray (after only 4 ****** months), and I see he's picked up a few points. Nice.

Arf


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Works Trophy (67) - Mexico City - Apr 6
Post by: Doni Yourth on April 06, 2014, 11:28:45 PM +0100
Three Hondas in the race and between the lot, logged about five laps grand total.  :(

Grats to Art, Greg and Robert!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Works Trophy (67) - Mexico City - Apr 6
Post by: Robert Fleurke on April 07, 2014, 01:00:01 AM +0100
Quali was OK, with a 46er I sat out last 15 mins, only doing a full fuel lap, but Attilio did a great lap with that 46.6, and I had to settle for P2. Mediocre start, would have been third after T1, if not for hitting a tirekerb and bogging down, going three Brabhams wide  :o

So fell back to P5 on Lap 1, and couldn't find a good rhythm on cold tires. Moved up to P4 when Bob spun, and got closer to Tristan. Was able to pass him in T1 after 10 laps when he went a bit wide, and he followed close for half a lap, before I could drive a way a bit and he retired.

Second half of the race was better finding a rhythm and running mostly 47s. Ran out of laps to threaten Greg for P2, but solid result after a difficult start.

Congrats Attilio, well deserved, and Greg for a great drive to P2. Good job finishers and commiserations to those having to retire...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Works Trophy (67) - Mexico City - Apr 6
Post by: fpolicardi on April 07, 2014, 11:15:36 AM +0100
Jethro, I used it the other night. Looked good, in fact my latency bar (always has a little bit of red) was possibly the lowest I've ever seen for quite a while!

Arf

I am both shocked and not really surprised at that. It's on a lightly-used UK BT-backed VDSL2 (FTTC) connection. I know the back-haul stats of the main-link every day, and to be honest GPL doesn't even break a sweat on it.

Interestingly, I did traces and ping-tests of UKGPL_GPG, and UKGPL_T7_2's public IP addresses. The ping of T7 was consistent, but the trace was 12 or 13 from my connection (from London I counted Hurricane Electric's route going to Paris, Zurich, then Milan and spending 3 hops in Italy before going to Gamesclan). UKGPL_GPG was variable ping, but a shorter hop. It would seem Liberty Global now own the internet back-bone of T7's server, and could be the result of the poorer performance (is theirs a virtual box or a physical one)?
GPG is located in Netherland, so closer to UK, but private account. T7 is a dedicated rented physical box.
Ciao


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Works Trophy (67) - Mexico City - Apr 6
Post by: Tom van Ostade on April 07, 2014, 11:54:55 AM +0100
Very frustrating... wanted to burn some tokens on the Eagle for this one, but practice suggested that I would destroy the engine. So, I tried to decide betweeen the Brabham and Ferrari, both of which I *appeared* to be able to drive without killing. I was a bit nervous about the engine temps I was running, and a quick chat with Greg confirmed I was running close to where would get nervous, so went for the Brabham..well I was quicker in it anyway...

Onto qually. Surprised to get up to P4 early doors, and even more surprised to keep it. Thought I could go faster, but as I was coming down the straight Tris came out the pits and stayed 100 yds on front of me for 3 laps and destroyed any chance of going faster - Tris, that wasn't cool. I make a point of getting out of people's way on warm up laps, and plenty of people did it for me tonight (I can only thank Clive as an example off the top of my head, but he wasn't the only one). Its not explicitly part of the rules, but there has been much discussion of it this season...Uncle Doni will be displeased with you!!

Onto the race...one of the three ahead of me was slow off the line, and I passed him. I tried to be careful into T1. Others were, I felt, more reckless, and how we all came out past the polos unscathed is more blind luck than judgement, methinks. I settled in for a challenging race. Can't remember who was in front, but Tommie wasn't far behind. Found it interesting that he couldn't draft me on the straight, and I couldn't get a draft away from him. Didn't matter much on lap 5, as my inability to preserve an engine here came back and bit me yet again...and probably gave Tommie a fright as well?

All was not lost for Team Baarf though, as Deutsche Telekom have finally deigned to let Baab back into the fray (after only 4 ****** months), and I see he's picked up a few points. Nice.

Arf

Unfortunately the Ferrari is not as fast down the straights as one would think, and the draft in 1967 GPL is not as long as one would think. Also, this track is more difficult than one would think  ;D . The smoke suddenly pouring out of your engine did gave me a bit of a fright, but not as much as last time around at Albi. Also I thought I heared some scrambled gear changes in preceding laps so I was on my guard a little bit :) .

I'm glad to finish, this is a difficult track and I tried to do everything to survive, which included lifting off when three Brabham's decided to make it three wide in lap 2, T2  :o . Neven seen that without a collision, there is a first for everything :D . Very competitive and close field, and in the first part of the race Arf, Bob, Tristan, Robert, Frank and me were running pretty close together. I managed to keep it on the track for the most part with only one spin and some bending of the armco here and there, and managed to move up due to attrition, which was exactly the plan as I couldn't manage it on pure pace alone. Happy with P4 :) .


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Works Trophy (67) - Mexico City - Apr 6
Post by: Iestyn Davies on April 07, 2014, 01:14:45 PM +0100
BRM didn't get much further, Doni! Crashed on lap 3 approaching turn 1. Better luck in the next races hopefully!

The start and the battle at the front were good to see. Grats!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Works Trophy (67) - Mexico City - Apr 6
Post by: Tom van Ostade on April 07, 2014, 02:09:29 PM +0100
I see it was actually lap 1 when Robert, Arf and Bob made it three wide! There were a couple more things going on behind me which I wasn't even fully aware of at the time. How everybody kept going is a miracle ;D . Very close racing indeed.

(http://s28.postimg.org/7yyj05ehl/UKGPL_mexico_060414.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/7yyj05ehl/)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Works Trophy (67) - Mexico City - Apr 6
Post by: Arf Arf Arf on April 07, 2014, 02:57:51 PM +0100
Unfortunately the Ferrari is not as fast down the straights as one would think, and the draft in 1967 GPL is not as long as one would think. Also, this track is more difficult than one would think  ;D . The smoke suddenly pouring out of your engine did gave me a bit of a fright, but not as much as last time around at Albi. Also I thought I heared some scrambled gear changes in preceding laps so I was on my guard a little bit :) .

Haha! I'd forgotten you were the one behind me at Albi as well ...I shall now be nervous if you are ever behind me.... I don't recall messing up my shifting in this race, but I'll check the replay, as I need to get to the bottom of this..

The picture you've shown is of the exit out of the polos, I think. I was definitely on my guard there. I suspect I'm the middle Brab as I knew I couldn't move left or right for fear of contact. Must check to see how both of them got out the corner so quickly to be passing me so soon after the exit, although I was treading on the accelerator VERY carefully....


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Works Trophy (67) - Mexico City - Apr 6
Post by: Iestyn Davies on April 07, 2014, 03:40:16 PM +0100
As the BRM at the top of that shot, I couldn't quite believe what I saw in front of me! 5 cars in the space for 3! I was then mugged after following cautiously by Miele into the next corner! Behind, it was kicking off as well and I just avoided some flying cars too!  :angel:


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Works Trophy (67) - Mexico City - Apr 6
Post by: Robert Fleurke on April 07, 2014, 04:26:17 PM +0100
I see it was actually lap 1 when Robert, Arf and Bob made it three wide! There were a couple more things going on behind me which I wasn't even fully aware of at the time. How everybody kept going is a miracle ;D . Very close racing indeed.

(http://s28.postimg.org/7yyj05ehl/UKGPL_mexico_060414.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/7yyj05ehl/)

The picture you've shown is of the exit out of the polos, I think. I was definitely on my guard there. I suspect I'm the middle Brab as I knew I couldn't move left or right for fear of contact. Must check to see how both of them got out the corner so quickly to be passing me so soon after the exit, although I was treading on the accelerator VERY carefully....

I hit a tirekerb and bogged down on Lap 1, used 2nd only in hairpin, for the rest 3rd and higher. Here I'm in third gear, allowing me to exit without wheelspin. Bob got me though. I thought you lifted and let me live Arf ;)

Great job by all to make it through without wrecking! :) I remember Tristan passed me later that lap, after a mistake. Lap 1 was rather messy on my part, and lost a lot of time there to the leaders. Only after 10 laps after passing Tristan back I could find a good rhythm.



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Works Trophy (67) - Mexico City - Apr 6
Post by: Artiglietti on April 07, 2014, 04:41:27 PM +0100
Good race long battle with Greg for me, I enjoyed it and was very happy to take the win in the end. The Ferrari is not particularly faster than the Brabham around here, but its speed advantage down the straight is considerable, at least judging from how easily Greg breezed past at the start, as my get away wasn't that bad really. So, once the potentially troublesome T1 was negotiated safely, I figured it was going to be a matter of staying close and wait for my chance. It took half the race for that to materialise, but it finally did in the shape of a slow motion half spin at the hairpin by Greg, who was still facing the right way but couldn't do anything else other than watch me slip past, as I was too close behind. After that it was just a case of not making mistakes and prevent the Ferrari from getting too close at the exit of the last corner. I could up my pace a little, and survived a couple of wobbles to go and take a nice win. The Brabham wasn't the easiest car to lap around here with all that torque, but have to say it's solid as a tank, my downshifts were terrible from start to finish.. ;D. Grats to Greg for a very resilient challenge, and podium and finishers. See you soon.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Works Trophy (67) - Mexico City - Apr 6
Post by: GregT on April 07, 2014, 06:01:30 PM +0100
Great race Attilio! Congratulations! That was a very good drive. You're just too fast for me. I tried to hold onto to the championship lead but I wasn't quite sharp enough. I needed to be perfect and have my equipment function perfectly. I'm pleased though. I didn't give up the points lead without a fight. I did a nice job of holding onto it for almost half the race. And being able to keep Attilio in sight for almost all of the race, is a pretty good accomplishment for me.

That race was very difficult while being very fun too. I didn't expect to do as well as I did but I thought I could at least place 5th and wouldn't have been too surprised to sneak onto the podium in 3rd. I guess I had something of an advantage that I like this track somewhat. It appears many don't like it at all. I don't like the hairpin and I'm not too fond of the turn immediately after it. The MS80 in the 1st 69 mod is a blast to drive here!

Qualifying went fairly well for me. I set my time early I think. It was only .18 off my PB so I was satisfied with it. I didn't think that I'd be able to do much better than 1:47.5 today but I should be able to get the 312 into the 1:46's with some more practice. It would be easy speed shifting and taking some wild chances. I went out a second time thinking I might need a better time because so many were just a few tenths behind me. I ended my qualifying by blowing the engine trying to keep up with Attilio. It's highly doubtful I could have matched Robert's time had it held together but any improvement would have been nice for insurance against losing a position.

I couldn't have asked for a better start. I didn't even think about gaining any positions on the start. All I wanted to do was stay out of the way and the lead looked like the best place. I should have known the 312's higher power would work well in a drag race against the Brabham. I didn't seem to have any real advantage on top speed though. I worried a little at first thinking Attilio is going to be all over me and I'd be holding him back. If I was slowing him it wasn't much so I quickly forgot about that. I couldn't forget about blowing the engine in qualifying and worried I'd do it again. I was very abusive to the engine early in the race. I was able to calm down after 5 laps and start shifting a little sooner and cleaner. I was doing good until around the mid point of the race. I spun in the hairpin and Attilio passed. I was glad I didn't hit anything and there was enough room for Attilio to get by without incident. I recovered fairly quickly and was able to pressure him a little bit but I couldn't do it for long. I had serious doubts I could beat Attilio but I was disappointed to give up the lead when I should have been able to hold it at least 3 or 4 more laps. I was real sloppy at times in the second half of the race. I struggled terribly at times, while watching Robert cut into my lead. A few more laps and I likely would have fell another position. Iestyn mentioned that I may have damaged the car and he may be correct. I've knocked the Cooper out of alignment a couple of times that took a second off my lap times with no damage recorded in GPLRA. I set my fastest lap on the lap before I lost the lead. I thought the car was just driving crappier as I burned off fuel.

My downshift button has started working bad lately. Sometimes after two presses the car still wouldn't have downshifted once. It really screwed with my timing in turn 1 on some laps. It was very disconcerting at the hairpin too. I figure I lost at least 2 or 3 seconds over the course of the race because of it. I can't remember if it contributed to my spin or not. I think that was likely due to my difficulties with the white line on the left side of the track when turning into the hairpin.

Arf, I ran this race at about 208F. All the time I spent each lap at low revs and partial throttle in second gear made me where I was never concerned with my engine temps. Plus I was only running 10.5K rpms at the end of the front straight when light on fuel. That's why I couldn't tell you what temps I was running on the practice server. At Albi I was at full throttle for a much larger portion of each lap and running the engine close to 11k at the end of the straights. Only concern I had about the engine at Mexico was overrevving when shifting. I've run it at 230F for somewhat long periods on INT damage but I'm wary of running it over 220F on realistic damage. I ran it up to 225F at Albi but didn't keep it there long. I started shifting at no higher than 10.5K and used second gear in the hairpin and that brought the temps down to 215F or less.

I have to say that was a very nice job by all the finishers. This track has a few turns that are very easy to wreck a car. Without the good start and fairly strong 1st half Robert easily could have beat me. Tommie got a solid finish too. Only reason 4th would have disappointed me was because I had managed to lead the race. Killer showed some nice consistency. I've become a fan of Andreas'. He may be slow but he keeps on trying and he consistently finishes. In future seasons when you drive the fastest cars I may try to drive the slowest cars so you'll have some more company on the track. Wow!!! Three wide exiting turn two. I bet the chances of that happening are very slim.

Boy, it appears to have been a horrible day for Honda and Blue Moose Racing. It looks like Iestyn used all his mojo on Saturday. I had a spectacular Friday only to be followed by an awful Saturday. Luckily I was able to recover Sunday.

Thanks guys! I appreciate racing with you. It's one of the funnest hobbies I've ever had.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Works Trophy (67) - Mexico City - Apr 6
Post by: Ronniepeterson on June 01, 2014, 08:50:39 PM +0100
One driver not tight enough or one not wide enough? Obvious call as usual  ::).



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Works Trophy (67) - Mexico City - Apr 6
Post by: BadBlood on June 01, 2014, 08:54:57 PM +0100
Andrea was very wide and ahead - yep it was fairly obvious. Take a look at the overhead.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Works Trophy (67) - Mexico City - Apr 6
Post by: Ronniepeterson on June 02, 2014, 03:52:23 PM +0100
Andrea was very wide and ahead - yep it was fairly obvious. Take a look at the overhead.

I'm not disputing the penalty against me here at Mexico if that's what the moderator/s has decided. But do we have a level playing field for all? Maybe the outstanding moderations from Mosport (Works) and Kyalami (Pros) will provide the answer.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Works Trophy (67) - Mexico City - Apr 6
Post by: Cookie on June 02, 2014, 05:40:17 PM +0100
But do we have a level playing field for all?

Yes, Ronnie we have!

If you were a mod, you would see some long threads discussing some difficult decisions a moderator had to do!
Of course there can be different points of view regarding an incident, but the decisions are allways done following the majority of the moderators, even if the division moderator is not happy with it!!!

PS
If a mod is involved he may not be part of this process!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Works Trophy (67) - Mexico City - Apr 6
Post by: Ronniepeterson on June 02, 2014, 06:33:38 PM +0100
But do we have a level playing field for all?

Yes, Ronnie we have!

If you were a mod, you would see some long threads discussing some difficult decisions a moderator had to do!
Of course there can be different points of view regarding an incident, but the decisions are allways done following the majority of the moderators, even if the division moderator is not happy with it!!!

PS
If a mod is involved he may not be part of this process!

Whether we have a level playing field for all remains to be seen as I said in my opinion.

As for mods involved in incidents not being involved in the process, their fellow mods, as you state, are.

Far from debatable some decisions this and previous seasons have simply been wrong, in my opinion.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Works Trophy (67) - Mexico City - Apr 6
Post by: BadBlood on June 02, 2014, 06:37:06 PM +0100
I think Mosport has been done and in terms of a level playing field I don't even look at who is involved in the incident on the first view!

As for Mosport, look at the speedos on the cars involved from the In Car view and the relative positions of the cars when Greg's car spins out.

Always happy to explain how a moderation view was reached.

If you look at the moderation for Works Zeltweg and just look at Tristans car position, you would think penalty for sure but wind back a bit to see the warp mentioned.

None of these decisions are reached lightly and a considerable amount of time is spent on them. They are also applied without bias and moderators never moderate themselves.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Works Trophy (67) - Mexico City - Apr 6
Post by: Cookie on June 02, 2014, 06:59:43 PM +0100
LOL Ronnie this is a weird conspiracy theory ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Ronnie
As for mods involved in incidents not being involved in the process, their fellow mods, as you state, are.

Now you must become a moderator!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Works Trophy (67) - Mexico City - Apr 6
Post by: Ronniepeterson on June 02, 2014, 07:04:29 PM +0100
Guys I have the utmost respect for you both and the work of all the moderators for that matter.

While I accept, as always, the only opinion that counts on these matters is yours, I am still entitled to my own I hope.

The problem with the Mosport moderation which has just been done is not that I think you are wrong on this occasion to call it a racing incident. But in identical circumstances you have penalised other drivers. That is not a level playing field for all, in my opinion.

Therefore to me this moderation does go some way to answering the question I posed regarding the current state of the moderation process.

No conspiracy theories being suggested by me just the simple question is the moderation process offering a level playing field for all drivers.

 



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Works Trophy (67) - Mexico City - Apr 6
Post by: Robert Fleurke on June 02, 2014, 07:24:25 PM +0100
Ronnie,

speaking for myself, this is how I see it:

The level playing field is kind of the penalty guidelines, the rules, and the racing etiquette in general. But you must understand each moderator has his own "style", and we will never be perfectly consistent. We try to be as consistent as we can though, according to UKGPL guidelines.



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Works Trophy (67) - Mexico City - Apr 6
Post by: Ronniepeterson on June 02, 2014, 07:39:52 PM +0100
 to answer your comment Robert

In my opinion one of the problems with the moderation process this season in particular has been the ignoring of "UKGPL racing etiquette" in a mistaken attempt to make incidents fit the penalty guidelines even when they are not appropriate. Too often, for me, no consideration is being given to the part played by drivers behaviour in the immediate run up to incidents even when it is clearly the cause of the incident.

Robert, Paul, Axl.  I am happy to continue this debate in the good spirit shown so far. But have no wish to see it deteriorate, so don't feel obliged to respond to the moaning of a driver who is just sad that season 26 is coming to an end, if I am getting on your nerves.