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Practice: 19:20 (GMT) (60 mins)
Qual 2: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40: 21 Laps (~ 43mins)
Cars allowed: GT40 MKII, GT40 MK1, 906-6/8,  Pantera BOSS,  911 RSR 2.8
Porche 914, Cobra 427, Daytona Coupe, Ferrari 275 Speciale, Corvette Grand Sport, Lotus Elan.

N.B Car list will reduce by one car choice each event, the most popular car will be dropped from the list, if a tie, then the one with the most points of the tied cars will be dropped

Track: Imola 2004 (Built in Track)
Time of Day Setting: 13:00
Weather: Dry
Start: Standing

Tyre wear: x2
Fuel consumption: Normal
Pit-stops:   You must make a minimum of one pit stop during which you must take on at least 1 litre of fuel and/or change a tyre.

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(4) Watch our for pit lane speeding, some tracks support this.
(5) Please follow the SROUK guidelines for using kerbs etc. Please keep 2 wheels on the track surface (kerbs do not count as track surface)
Excessive cutting of corners will seen as cheating and the results may be altered to reflect

There are:
4x Very fast tracks, 4x Medium , and 4x slower/tighter tracks
And pitstops are only at half the events

There are 12 Events, and 15 cars, so there will be a choice of 4 cars at the last event.
The Le Mans Finale is the "revived" version, and (force field on) it's the one with the chicanes
After the way the last one turned out I have no choice.

Rough guide to track Pace and which events have Pit Stops:

Faster: Barcelona (Stop); Paul Ricard;  Spa (Stop); Le Mans revived (Stop);

Medium: Melbourne (Albert Park);  Imola (Stop);  Interlagos;   Mexico 67;

Slower: Hungaroring (Stop);   Keimola;   Portimao (Stop);  Albi 2006;

One of my fave tracks and I get to use the superb 2.8RSR here, yeah baby  8). The 906's and Panteras will be stiff opposition though.

Wooooh, I will actually get to do this one!, and the next few weeks  :D
I am 5 secs faster in the GT40 MK1 than the 914.... hmm

2:07's early race pace so far, in the 2.8RSR, great fun hustling it around here  8) but prob more pace to find.

Eehhhmm, i only see a Imola GP, 2004 in my track list. Is there something missing?

Err, good point Postal I didn't notice Matt had 1994 at top of thread. I used the in game 2004 layout.

It will be Matt's typing.   ::)

Best thing is to go on-line to see if you can join the server.


EDIT:  But this only works if we have a server.

No P&G server up again tonight  ??? So had to do my praccy offline again.

Low 2:06's  :)

Looks to me as though the server is running Imola but I don't know what the sim is!

Should be running now

Cheers Tony.

Think I'm in trouble here!  Can't get within four seconds of MJ without taking liberties with the curbs.

I hate these chicane ridden places!

Umm It is not meant to be the 2004 version, It is supposed to be the 1994 one without the Senna chicane
Looks like I assumed it was built in. No matter, we can run this version as people seem to have been
practicing it.

Flippety flip, my team mate just reminded me it's 2x tyre wear and a pitstop !  :o bugger, I've not practised either lol  :-[. I really must read the thread top more closely, perhaps I didn't take it seriously when I saw 1994  ;D looks like I get to practise pitstops tomorrow night before the race  ::)

Oops, missed that too.  ::)

That would have been a bit better.  But as you say, it's too late to do anything about it now.

Just have to hope that I don't get lapped too often.

The curb police will need to be vigilant too!  ::)

Clive you sound like a sulky old woman  ;D bet your still in top 4 like most races!

Hope there is a good spread of cars tonight but as nobody has posted a time except me (to generate interest/create a target) who knows?!
Mind you with 2x tyre wear my times are probably irrelevant as the tyre performance window is much shorter  :'(

Never mind which car or tyres to use!!!  as of last night ( when I thought I might do some offline practice for this)  PnG refuses to start!! not even the splash screen with the Alfa!!

Won't have time to look into this until about 7:45 this evening........so maybe I will see you on track  :-\

LOL

 :P

I've told you that I'm four seconds slower than you, what more do you want?  That was on race fuel and in P1 session.

This track just winds me up because people go clattering over the curbs and grass and then claim to be trying to keep to the tarmac but "that the circuit just seems more correct if you used half of Italy"!

Bah!  Humbug!

Well they do seem to encourage it at Imola a tad more than other tracks with the green baize turn exit borders but nowt wrong with two wheels off the black stuff anyway  :P

I watched the FIA WEC round there last weekend and everybody was making full use of the kerbs and borders without penalty.

Anyone tried the 906's here? Thought they'd be quickest tbh, I just love driving the RSR's 8)

Me too..

The additional chicane at Tamburello does help it, but I was still 2 secs slower than the GT40 Mk2s in a quick race against the AI yesterday evening. There weren't any 906s, but I would have thought they would be quicker as well. Hope anyway that the 911 is the not the quickest/most popular car here cos I would hate to see it dropped for the next round!

Tried the 906/8 last night, a car I never get on with, but after several attempts at completing just one lap I seemed to hit on a setup which made it much more driveable & got down to 2.04s with it. Still not confident of completing the race without going off but I'm going to give it a go.

Depending on how my day goes, I might be able to file a late entry to this round.  We'll see...

I could scan the MSA's revised track boundaries leaflet if you like, in the UK at least rules are getting much stricter!

Oh, and I'm in tonight. Far to good a car/track combo to miss out on! 8)

I think I will be taking part in tonight's race. It's about time I made my return on Thursday nights, although I don't know what I will be driving yet...

Good race, but if I were to do it over, I would have chosen a faster car and a softer tire. On the bright side, I was able to finish the race, and I had a good time driving the track. Good enough.  :)

Well that didn't go as planned!  ::).  Turned up on the server to find my setup was nearly 3 secs a lap slower with the 2x wear  :o so spent all of praccy time trying to tweak it down to a 2:07.9

Qualied 6th but got pounced all over off the line, which proved to be a disaster as guys 2-3 secs a lap slower here got in front of me  :(  then to compound the misery, my teamie braked like a granny up at the hilltop chicane on lap 1 and nearly caught me out but meant I got whacked up the backside by Jarda taking all 3 of us off.  :'(
I then had a great fun but very frustrating 9 laps behind Matts GT40 which was very fast on the straights but holding me up at every corner complex.
It took until lap 10 to finally get a clear lap and a sub 2:10 laptime which meant the front 6 guys had amassed a nice 20second cushion at only mid distance  :( my race was run really.
My tyres were still in good nick so I pressed on until lap 15 and had a nice clean pitstop (hurrah!)
Had a late problem behind Jardas car as he had some lag and I finally clipped him in a slow corner so sorry for that but nothing I could do with his car warping.
I finally caught up with Clive in 6th with 1 lap to go and reeled him in relentlessly but he just had enough Tarmac to finish 0.5 ahead.

I really thought I was on for a top 5 finish tonight but the early events conspired against me, but thoroughly enjoyed the race and good to see a variety of cars in action  8)

Furious that I was apparently disco'd just prior to the race start.  :(

This happened the other day when I was lining up for a Gamer's PnG event.

In both cases, the kids had just got home from school and logged on to the NET.  They won't be doing THAT again anytime soon.

From Mark's description, it sounded like I missed a slam-bang affair.  Just my kinda race!  :)

Well I have just had a quick look at the opening laps of the replay and would say that the best thing we could do is just scrub the race as the first four cars home were certainly making good use of the curbs.  Some to a greater extent than others.

It just isn't a suitable track for UKPnG rules.

Well that went a lot better than I expected!  ;D   Seems the 906/8 was the class of the field.

Had a small gap over Tim for the fiirst few laps until he made a mistake & dropped to 3s behind & then managed to keep the gap to between 3 & 5s until Tim made his stop. Planned my stop on lap 20 & I seemed to have plenty in hand for an unhurried stop until I spun at the final chicane with 3 laps left  :o
Lost about 15s due to that & was doubtful I had enough gap to retain the lead, but a quick splash of fuel got me back out with plenty of time to spare, so just took it easy on the last lap so as not to make any more silly mistakes.

Congrats Tim & teammate Frex on the podium.  :clap: :clap: Looks like the 906/8 is out for the next race.  

First, apologies for my semi rant at the end of the race. I was frustrated that I had been kept in the pits for a lot longer than I should have been, and it prevented a possible scrap with Frex in the second half of the race.

Secondly, with respect to Clive's comment......it is difficult on this track to avoid using various kerbs at certain locations around the track. If two wheels are kept on the tarmac, and (in my opinion) use of any trackside grass is avoided, then I don't see a problem. Having said that, I know for a fact that I probably overstepped the mark at certain times, but this was not deliberate. The Daytona was quite a tricky drive around this track, and sometimes I got the approach to a corner slightly wrong, or (in the case of one particular corner) I had the Sun shining directly into my eyes!

A decent start catapulted me into 3rd place behind Geoffers and Tim. I tried hard to stay in touch with them, but those Porsches were just too quick for me. I had hauled my ass away from the chasing pack, so it was a lonely race after that until my pitstop. Frex was catching me towards the end of this first stint, and we entered the pits at the same time. Unfortunately, my pitstop problems (they filled the fuel tank when I didn't ask for it) resulted in me sitting there for ages. I had to change the tyres aswell, so by the time I left the pits, Frex was probably halfway around the next lap!

That effectively killed off any chance of a battle for me in the second half of the race. I caught and passed several drivers that may (or may not) have pitted at that stage, and that moved me up to P4, but Frex was over 40 seconds ahead of me by then, so I just reeled off the remaining laps in silence.

Sorry to hear about your disconnection, Donnie. I saw that you had left just before the start of the race, and I was gutted for you :(

If it is any consolation Doni, at least you got to join the qualifying ! :-\

I thought I had solved my PnG probs and ran a few laps offline before opting to join the server.
 It all looked to be hooking up nicely until my name appeared to be "loading" and  .................CTD. Tried again but PnG would not even start, so looks like something is corrupted somewhere??  :(

Moggett did you remember to lower the fuel reading in the 2nd page of the garage menu where it lists the number of pit stops and fuel to be put in at each of them? That nearly caught me out but I altered them literally before sitting on the grid. That would over-ride your request for no fuel I think, if pre-set.

Clive you have severe kerb phobia!! Imola is a fantastic track for p&g IMO. The natural flow of the corners encourages some kerb useage and hence why the Italians put smooth kerbs and green concrete on the apexs and exits ! With worn tyres and wayward vintage race cars kerb useage is inevitable anyway whether guys want to use it deliberately or not.

What you say is perfectly true but rules are rules.  There was no lifting of our "two wheels on the tarmac" rule so everyone should have been complying.

It was possible to race without leaving the tarmac because, to the best of my knowledge, I did it.  (Apart from Frex frightening me off the track at one point)  But to do that you have to go slower. 

If the corner cutting limits were aligned with our rules then I suspect that everyone would have approached each chicane somewhat differently.  As it is, several people would have clocked up a stop-n-go penalty by the end of lap one!

You can't have a "race" if some people are using a different track.

If I had been racing just as an individual, rather than as part of SBRC, I wouldn't even have taken part last night because I knew exactly what was going to happen.

Well that was the 5th race in this series & the 3rd one won & dominated by Pork. Pleased to see the back of another Pork, as am looking forward to seeing the 2nd half of this season, which looks like it will be quite promising.


My goodness, I sound nearly as full of cheer as Clive :o

Is Jardas finishing position right in 5th? Could have sworn he was well behind me at race end  :-\ so not sure how he could have got two places ahead.

Blimey Clive and his kerbs and Legzys hate for pork, miserable buggers  ::)
 :-*

On a positive note we got 13 drivers back, just a few more would be nice. But I'm away next week  :-[

He finished in front of me and after I have checked later today I may be able to congratulate him on being the first driver home who wasn't all over the curbs!

Perhaps!

I don't like the chicane at Imola. In fact, I suspect that it has been modified a bit since the 2004 version, because I watched a real world race there on TV the other week, and it looked more like a "tight S" than the stupid chicane that is part of the GTR2 track. I openly admit that it is quite possible that my approaches to that chicane were less than desirable, but I get the feeling that most drivers probably take the same line. I will check the replay to see how my lines looked from an external viewpoint, and report back...

Scrub it! Scrub it!  :dots:
Clive, believe me, it is not joke on you. It`s on me and all my mistakes that I was able to do in this race! About kerb policy later ...

First mistake as follows: 906/8 is really quiet and I was not able to hear my engine on start = lousy start. Is it really that much hard to lower opponents car volume? No, it is not and that`s why I have sticky note on my monitor now.

Second mistake: After few laps behind frex and Clive, watching them playing funny games (everything fair and square but frustrating for me not able to shift 5th gear before Senna s) I did manage to pass and then make mistake in Gilles chicane ( last night had deja vu in AC race) ...   :oops:

Third and biggest: Pit stop!!! I dont understand why nobody from my pit crew didn`t find it appropriate to warn me that I must cut the engine in order to get fuel! I was sitting like ficus for, at least 15 seconds!
Then they start to fix the damage! Why??!!! It`s only a paint damage!
Result: 2 minutes in pit!  :cursing: :censored: :taz:


Now about kerb policy ... and cutting chicanes.
Didn`t watch replay yet so can`t speak about others behavior. I was trying to pass that chicane with inner two wheels at least on white line surrounding kerb.
Not sure if I did it every time but there was no intention to gain time by cutting more than says in rulebook ...

I was notty in few occasions, not on that chicane, car fully under control - in self defence: it is hard to see when you are so close to another racer trying not to do something stupid like bump him out of your way, than you find out that 906/8 was able to turn in better than GT40 ...  ???  :whistling:

I find the kerbs here to be challenging, the ones at Variante Alta are killers, if you take too much kerb there
I believe it is no faster, and often leads to a spin they are so violent, other places you can take some advantage
I was trying to keep two wheels on the black, but I expect I didn't always manage it.

This was not my intended version, I intended to use the 1994 one without the daft Senna Chicane, but I messed
up the anouncement, so sorry for that, but my personal oppinion is that some excessive kerbing is going to happen
here and I would not be putting in any incident reports unless someone was deliberately going on the grass
on every lap.

I have had a good look at the replay of my race....and I am not entirely happy with at least 4 entries to Variante Alta, and my general line through Acque Minerale. Whilst (as I have already mentioned) the Daytona is quite a tough drive at Imola, it isn't really correct to have all four tyres off the tarmac at any time in a race, no matter where you are. Now, there is a very wide "apron" area to the left of the Acque Minerale exit, and it is all too easy to assume that this can be used as part of the race track. I generally try to keep myself out of this area when racing at Imola, but I think that I could have done a considerably better job in Thursday's race. As for those 4 entries to Varianta Alta.....I turned in slightly too early, and ended up skimming the grass on those occasions.

Bearing this in mind, I have no objection to being penalised for these transgressions. Imola is a particularly difficult track to get right with respect to kerbs and run off areas, but there is no excuse for doing it multiple times. I leave it up to the track stewards to take any action that is deemed necessary, and I will remember to be more careful next time.

There is nothing in our guidlines that say you will be penalised for occasional wanderings off the track
We ask that people keep two wheels on the track "most" of the time.
I watched some chunks of the replay, and the leaders were 2 wheels on for most of the time for the
parts I watched, Clive is particularly good at staying on the track, but even he had at least one
4 wheels off. I think most people had some corners where they didn't aways go where they intended
I had several, as the GT40 is a bit unwieldy round here, but again I believe I managed to stay within
our rules.

The 906-8 had the most points so it will not be in the next event.

Having just read the Srou track limit definitions they seem to be in agreement with the MSA rules on the subject, with kerbs being considered a legitimate racing surface. Aside from errors on my part on a few occasions where I ended up staying across the Kurbs and onto the painted green concrete (classed as grass in the rule books) I can assure you I was driving to those guidelines - based on the 6 laps or so I was stuck to his rear wing I feel confident to say that Geoffers was also driving within those rules.

Technicalities aside I had great fun return to P&G after yet another hiatus. I had been going to Plump for the 911 as I love driving it so much but just happened to hit on a setup for the 906 which was great fun to drive (might be something to do with the super hard tires I chose to avoid having to change them in my stop).
Sadly after making the first mistake while chasing Geoffers I proceeded to go on and make at least another 3 unforced trips into the sand or to simply spin exiting corners/chicanes.
I think the race to the flag would have been spectacular if I'd remained on track to hassle Geoffers all the way to the flag!

I don't think any of us are deliberately trying to cheat by cutting corners, its simply that we are trying to go as fast as possible & consequently make a few mistakes. As I said before the 906/8 is not my favourite car & although I hit upon a setup which made it much more stable it is still a difficult car to drive & not an easy one to be accurate with. I watched some of the replay of both mine & other peoples driving & I don't think anyone was deliberately cutting corners & gaining any advantage. Sure most people were getting all 4 wheels off the track occasionally (even Clive!), but no one was consistently cutting.

I think the reason Clive was a bit more successful at staying on the track was

a) he was in a car which was a bit easier to drive, &
b) he is a better driver than the rest of us.

Is this a multiple choice question? If so I go a)  ;)

Me too.

But I chose a car that I could keep on the track!


For the record, I don't think that anyone was deliberately trying to cut corners.

I just don't think that they were deliberately trying to stay on the track either!  And that's the difference.

The track should not be used unless we scrap our regs and say so at the start.

c) he was in much slower car so he had all the time in the world to target the line, check is it targeted correctly, recheck previous step ...

Sorry Clive, just couldn`t resist.  ;D
I`m still puzzled about your car choice ...  only car that you can keep on track?? ???

Anyway, it was a grand race  :thumbup1:
Next week is something quite different.

I think people are trying to stay on track, just that sometimes the car decides otherwise.

None of us are professionals & at times we are quite inept, & I'm sure if we were let loose in a real car on a real track & drove like we do online, most of us would end up in the kitty litter pretty quick.

I'm sure IRL Matt would wipe the floor with all of us.

Still don`t know is it something on my adress about cutting, anyway, I will explain my behavior.
I was attacking kerbs not to make turn flatter. Only to help car rotation so it was not in my interest to go over the kerb with all four wheels.
Most of the time I did it correctly but, as I said earlier - I was notty in few occasions and key word is "few" - not all the time.

@ Geoffers

Would Matt be willing to show some respect for senior residents allowing us to wipe the floor by ourselves and miss few spots?

LOL

Apparently my definition of keeping on the track is different to everyone else's.

From the bright side, now you have all ours excuses available for next races ...

  :nono:  "Keep the car on the road!"

  :angel:  "I`m trying, I`m trying really hard! I was just avoiding some pedestrians in the middle of the road!"


Joke aside, I am also upset when I see someone moving boundaries to fit his agenda but I don`t think that it was the case here, in this race.

I suppose nothing will be done until I get nasty and start putting in incident reports!

Please consider my original request to scrub the race.

I have looked at the server replay and started to catalogue the off track excursions.  Starting with Geoffers.  Sorry Geoffers but you were at the front of the grid.

I have numbered the corners for my own reference and where possible added the corner names where they exist.

Geoffers
Lap 1
T3 Tamburello Off track on at apex.
T11 Acque Minerali Off track at apex.
T18 Rivazza 2 Off track on exit.
Lap 2
T6 Vill' Chicane Off track at apex.
T11 Acque Minerali Off track at apex.
T14 Variante Alta Off track at apex.
T17  Rivazza 1  Off track at exit.
T20 Final Chicane Off track at apex.

etc. etc. etc.

Do I really have to plod through everyone's opening laps?  It was not a great race, it was a farce, and should be scrubbed.

If a car is difficult to keep on the track, that does not make it "legal" to leave the track whenever keeping to it looks like it will slow you down.

We had the same issue with Hungaroring but after I kicked up a fuss the subsequent races have been much better behaved affairs.

Guess I have to do the same again but I would prefer that Geoffers isn't singled out this time.

Just scrub the race.   ;D

Let me know if I need to start posting incident reports please Matt.

I don't think that we need to scrub the race, Clive. I have checked Geoffers' race line over the first two or three laps, and it was hardly what you could call "blatant cutting". On the other hand, the number of times that my Daytona was completely off the tarmac at Acque Minerale is less forgivable. I have raced at this track many times in the past, and most people have used the kerbs and chicanes to maximum advantage, but I was forgetting that you guys have a more strict rule with respect to keeping two wheels on the tarmac (not the kerbs or runoff areas) at all times. That is why I think that there is a case to penalise me, but I am not so sure that Geoffers can be criticised for his racing line. He was never consistently cutting at the same location time after time, which suggests to me that he simply misjudged the turn in for a particular corner now and again.

To be honest, this is not a good track to use for this league (and I am aware that Matt intended to use the 1994 version, although I don't know how different the kerbs and cut track warnings are on that one). For the record, I suggest steering clear of Zolder 2005 and Magny Cours aswell!

Flippin 'eck Clive, "Dog with Bone" springs to mind. You are the only person, just you and only you
no one else,  who thinks there is a problem here.
Mogget is uncomfortable with his cutting, I have watched most of the replay and he drove fairly in my opinion.
No one else agrees with you including me. Though there were some liberties taken with kerbs at times
I don't believe there is even the slightest, tiniest, miniscule, reason to scrub the race, and I think you are out of order
for suggesting it.
There is nothing in our rules that support your argument at all. The SROUK rules talk about "may" not "will"

    Under normal circumstances the simulation's internal cut detection will be relied upon to police the cutting of chicanes and other corners.
    Drivers are strongly discouraged from the deliberate placing of one or more wheels on areas of grass, gravel and sand.
    Clear and deliberate cutting which evades detection by the simulation may still result in a penalty.
    A "1x Off Track" message in iRacing is a clear indication that you have deviated from the racing surface. A driver showing an abnormally high number of such incidents may attract a penalty for persistent deviation from the racing surface.
    A driver who gains an advantage through a cut must yield the advantage back to any affected car(s).
    An advantage may include taking a place directly, setting up a pass, or avoiding losing a place.
    Persistent or deliberate 'railriding' is strictly forbidden.
    These rules apply in all sessions, including qualifying, even when not on a flying lap.
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After a flood of posts about clarification I posted some pictures and words to make it known what I, as the series director...
consider to be a decent compromise between racing for fun and fairness for all. This is not Formula One, we are not
talking millions of pounds to run teams, we are here to have fun, if people blatantly, deliberately, and repeatadly gain advantage
by putting 4 wheels off the race track, then that's why we have incident reports.

My request or guidelines ask that people keep two wheels on the track in corners most of the time in a race, if anyone feels that
the guy in front gained places by severely cutting corners then put in an incident report.

If you put in incident reports for the people who finished in front of you on this occasion Clive, then I will see it
as an attempt to gain places by use of the rule book. The people in front were probably in faster cars however perfectly
they drove, it is extremely unlikely that the finishing order would have been any different.

Sorry for voicing my opinions so strongly, but I am thoroughly fed up with the negative impact of all these IMHO unneccesary posts
about who went off the track more than others or didn't, in a race that was great fun for most people.

If you want to make up the rules as you see fit then you can have my job with pleasure.

LOL

I think that if we have a rule, oops sorry guideline, that is so detrimental to people "having fun" to such an extent that the race director himself refuses to see it enforced then perhaps it is the "guideline" that needs scrapping rather than the race?

I'm not making up rules, just trying to abide by them.   ::)


I shall ignore your guideline in future, just like everyone else, if that keeps you happy.


If the corner cutting and "easing" of the track boundaries as witnessed at Imola are anything to go by then I shouldn't think that anyone is ever likely to receive a penalty for such an offence from here on.  If you don't care if people use the curbs then why put the guideline in there in the first place?

I like things in black and white.  I suppose that these shades of grey are ok if you are only "having fun".

 :thumbup2:

Come on, Clive. Give it a rest. Organising leagues (particularly multiple ones with different parameters) is not an easy task. Having done all of the hard work to set everything up, the last thing that a race organiser wants to have to do is check out hours of race footage, and then decide if penalties need to be dished out. That takes it from "hard work" to "suicide watch" very quickly, and is no fun for anyone. I don't recall you being this fussy when you used to race in the WSL??

OK, My last word.

In a perfect world we could as the SROUK guidelines say, depend on the game's cut detection
but we can't. Some of the SROUK versions of tracks seem to have some cut detection mods
some are crazy and penalise for going near a corner post.  There is no black and white here
however desirable that may be. We depend to some extent on drivers driving fairly, and
I believe that all our current drivers do that. If you ignore my guidlelines you will likely
get some incident reports just like anyone would. Again I state that my request is that people
keep two wheels on the track surface most of the time, so, define "most of the time"
I would say "more than 50%" but I have neither the time nor the interest to count how many
times each and every driver went wide. We have had some obvious blatant disregard for
our way of doing things in the past, sometimes because the visiting drivers have a different set of rules
sometime on rare occasions because the driver just didn't give a carp, and reports have quite rightly
gone in on those occasions. The onyl way we could be black and white is to say something like
"Anyone who puts 4 wheels off the track more than twice on any lap is excluded from the points"
But I think that is too draconian, and as Mogget says, is way more of a headache to police
than I could, or would want to do.

I watched the 1st 3 places second half of the race, and they were all keeping two wheels
on the track more than they weren't, so I see no problem.

Now I would really like to move on, before we hack off any more people.
 :surrender:

p.s I am not entirely joking about taking over the Directorship, you would be very good at it
and after 3 years of it I could do with a break.

LOL

Sorry Matt, I'm more likely to jack it all in.  I get my racing "fix" with the rc cars these days.

Besides, I would frighten away the few remaining drivers that we have.

I did my stint running the B.R.E.A.S.T.S. League for a few years and also moderating at UKGPL.   Never again!

That must be why you go so easy on Matt