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Title: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Monsanto Park - May 24
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on May 23, 2014, 11:05:19 PM +0100
THIS POST IS FOR BOTH GRIDS
Round 8 of the Formula 2 series will be on the Portuguese street circuit of Monsanto Park. Built on parklands, the circuit was considered difficult to drive because it crossed so many different types of surfaces, including tramlines at one point. The track hosted numerous races from 1954 to 1959, but only one race qualified as a Formula One event: the 1959 Portuguese Grand Prix, won by Stirling Moss. He won the race in the twilight hours, since the race was purposefully started late in the day to avoid the intense late summer sun.
We will maintain the Grid A & Grid B arrangement but both groups will race together. We will be using UKGPL7, which is back in operation. (Any problems the Badblood back-up on UKGPL3 may swing into action).

Drivers have been allocated to the grids as below
Group A
Arf, Cookie, Dean Logan, Doni Yourth, Evil, Greg T, Marco, Natan, Fulvio, Badblood, Billy, Boggy, Il Lupo & Newblood.

Group B
Phil Thornton, Piero Mercaldo, Rainier, Raoni, Robert Fleurke, Roberto Teso, Ronnie, Samb, Turkey Machine, Iestyn, Dave Curtis, Rog, Maddog, Bernie & Walter



ONE reset is allowed but the Shift R must be followed by a Stop & Go in the pit lane within TWO laps. If you Reset on the last lap a 15 second time penalty will be awarded. Drivers must complete 50% of the race distance to score.

The intent had been to reintroduce handicaps for the top drivers. There is a temporary issue with splitting the previous race results so handicaps will be suspended remainder of the season. You can drive anything you like, even the Matra.

Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL7
IP = 62.149.202.168
Race date = 25 May2014
Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Track =Monsanto Park (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Tracks/Monsanto)
Race length = 20 Laps
Variant = 1967 Formula 2
Damage Model = Intermediate
Qualifying time = max. 30 minutes
Password: see above (#post_event_password)
Replays available here (http://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/inc_replaysS26_js.aspx)

GPL F2 Mod: The initial release of the F2 mod will be used. The mod can be found here (http://http://www.f2legends.net/F2Downloads.htm)

The Driver list, Championship Table and series rules can be found here: Formula Two Trophy (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=425&theme=6)

Please restrict chat to pit messages including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

Moderating The red zone will be fully moderated, the red zone will be from the start to the exit of the Lake hairpin. Other moderation will be on reported incidents only or at the Moderators discretion.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Monsanto Park - May 24
Post by: Marco Mercaldo on May 24, 2014, 07:16:48 AM +0100
oleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, changes again, the day before the race...............................


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Monsanto Park - May 24
Post by: Roberto Teso on May 24, 2014, 09:57:15 AM +0100
I'm not totally sure but the starting grid here may be as tight as in Anderstorp, not a wise choice for the race.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Monsanto Park - May 24
Post by: Rainier on May 24, 2014, 01:16:23 PM +0100
Wrong title ... please replace May 24 by May 25 ;)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Monsanto Park - May 24
Post by: maddog on May 24, 2014, 02:00:47 PM +0100
There have recently been graphical problems, for my machinery at the track, with no races finished for some time.  The problem may finally now be fixed!  I'd like to test it's disappearance with a full Monsanto grid.  I promise not to pass any cars unless they get in my way, and request a last minute rule change, to give me a better shot at the Championship.  :P


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Monsanto Park - May 24
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on May 24, 2014, 06:25:27 PM +0100
Wrong title ... please replace May 24 by May 25 ;)
Definitely the 25th. Has been updated in LM2.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Monsanto Park - May 24
Post by: EvilClive on May 24, 2014, 07:16:16 PM +0100
"Portuguese street circuit of Monsanto Park"   "tramlines"??  ??? ??? ???

This description sounds more like Porto ??   Monsanto is set out in the countryside and as far as I can see no sign of trams, but maybe I am missing something?


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Monsanto Park - May 24
Post by: dave curtis on May 24, 2014, 08:37:49 PM +0100
I had certainly managed to confuse myself (not that hard) & upon seeing this race,  was thinking of Porto...
But having just had a look of a lap on the YouTube; I defo need to get some laps in beforehand to hopefully become at least a little familiar with some of it.  From the lap I saw,  it does all seem to look the same though!

Hopefully nobody else knows it either! Not expecting much here, but luckily with my position in the standings; what does another duff result matter? ;)

See you from the bales...



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Monsanto Park - May 24
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on May 25, 2014, 12:30:51 AM +0100
"Portuguese street circuit of Monsanto Park"   "tramlines"??  ??? ??? ???

This description sounds more like Porto ??   Monsanto is set out in the countryside and as far as I can see no sign of trams, but maybe I am missing something?
Clive,
The description was lifted from Wikipedia - but is quite accurate. The circuit is set in Monsanto Park to the west of Lisbon. I found an article - see link - which gives some background on this lost circuit. http://lesliemabon.wordpress.com/2013/03/17/lost-grand-prix-circuit-circuito-de-monsanto-lisbon/

I think the tramlines cut across the clover leaf turn.

Quite a tricky circuit but worth the time to practice. Similar to Porto - which I also quite like. A great shame that F1 just follows the money these days & has abandoned some of the more historic venues.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Monsanto Park - May 24
Post by: maddog on May 25, 2014, 12:42:28 AM +0100
Those aren't Tram lines - Wikipedia has got it wrong.  Monsanto was originally a Scalextric track, paved over in the 70's.  You  can only see the racing grooves in one or two places. 8)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Monsanto Park - May 24
Post by: dave curtis on May 25, 2014, 12:58:55 AM +0100
Quite a tricky circuit but worth the time to practice.

I've watched the YouTube clip a couple of times now in full screen.  I'm as ready as I can be. Setup is ready for when I turn a wheel/over...

I still think those bales are plotting something...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Monsanto Park - May 24
Post by: Robert Fleurke on May 25, 2014, 01:03:20 AM +0100
Tough circuit, quite technical, and easy to spin out or crash. Found some speed, but looking for some more consistency...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Monsanto Park - May 24
Post by: EvilClive on May 25, 2014, 10:13:50 AM +0100
"Portuguese street circuit of Monsanto Park"   "tramlines"??  ??? ??? ???

This description sounds more like Porto ??   Monsanto is set out in the countryside and as far as I can see no sign of trams, but maybe I am missing something?
Clive,
The description was lifted from Wikipedia - but is quite accurate. The circuit is set in Monsanto Park to the west of Lisbon. I found an article - see link - which gives some background on this lost circuit. http://lesliemabon.wordpress.com/2013/03/17/lost-grand-prix-circuit-circuito-de-monsanto-lisbon/

I think the tramlines cut across the clover leaf turn.

Quite a tricky circuit but worth the time to practice. Similar to Porto - which I also quite like. A great shame that F1 just follows the money these days & has abandoned some of the more historic venues.

Not a criticism Billy, it was just that the main features described  appeared to be more pertinent to Porto than Monsanto, especially the term "street circuit".

Whatever the description, this is a tough circuit and if the corners are not challenging then the bumps certainly are!!!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Monsanto Park - May 24
Post by: Turkey Machine on May 25, 2014, 07:15:04 PM +0100
Bumpy, quick, unforgiving... this is gonna end up not leaving many at the end. Worked out a 1m54s, and I've no idea how slow (or quick) that is!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Monsanto Park - May 24
Post by: BadBlood on May 25, 2014, 07:51:08 PM +0100
Doesn't matter whether it is Monsanto or Porto - ... totally crap at both ;)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Monsanto Park - May 24
Post by: Turkey Machine on May 25, 2014, 08:25:22 PM +0100
Doesn't matter whether it is Monsanto or Porto - ... totally crap at both ;)

Could be worse... Estoril in the 67s... ;)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Monsanto Park - May 24
Post by: Turkey Machine on May 25, 2014, 09:47:26 PM +0100
Kudos to the lap 1 chaos chaps.... :(


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Monsanto Park - May 24
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on May 25, 2014, 10:15:16 PM +0100
On reflection wish I had not chosen this track. Lots of stupid errors so took an early bath.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Monsanto Park - May 24
Post by: BadBlood on May 25, 2014, 10:20:31 PM +0100
Unsurprising Lap 1 chaos... Even though I was SUPER careful. I still managed to rear end somebody whilst trying to thread the needle at about 3mph and then the car exploded. Got stuck in a hay bale on Lap 1 so I was dead last and I stayed there. Got stuck off track and could hear another lost soul... got back on track but got a black flag and a DQ... stupid game... hehe.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Monsanto Park - May 24
Post by: Robert Fleurke on May 25, 2014, 10:28:30 PM +0100
Got wrecked twice within 10 secs and did need 2 resets. Sorry for continuing  for a while, knew I would be DQ-ed anyway.

Thought about having some fun mixing it in with the BT14, but I was wrong...



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Monsanto Park - May 24
Post by: bernie on May 25, 2014, 11:41:16 PM +0100
On reflection wish I had not chosen this track. Lots of stupid errors so took an early bath.

After you with the soap  ;D


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Monsanto Park - May 24
Post by: EvilClive on May 26, 2014, 05:58:28 PM +0100
Grats to Roberto and Marco on the top podium positions.

I have to apologise to a few drivers I think  :oops:

I was feeling quite confident of getting a good result and maybe even an outside chance of a win in the Brabham, especially when I got pole position with full race fuel on board, and it was not even a perfect lap.

Roberto outdragged me off the start and I thought about playing "chicken" into the left right combo at the bottom of the hill, but decided that it was too risky so early in the race and I would try and slipstream him up the long straight. However, that did not happen and I was punted off from behind as we approached the right hander onto the straight and I found myself amongst some young ladies and trees on the outfield!?!?!

This is where things get misty...very red and very misty!! For the next few laps I was driving like a looney and desperate to close the huge gap to Roberto as quickly as possible  ::) Needless to say , I made some stupid mistakes and eventually I nerfed Marco (?) I think. Despite all of the impacts the Brab was still driving OK....until I got it too wide into the grass at the hairpin and the sticky grass grabbed me. I had to use a S/R and a SnG which dropped me back even further.

This time I was still mad...but more with myself for being such a right t*t!! so I slowly wound up the wick on the Brabham,  trimming a few tenths off on each clear lap and picking off places until I eventually got to 3rd and ran out of time and laps to get any further.

Apologies to anyone I frightened or touched...it was not me it was the red demon on my shoulder.....honest it was  ::)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Monsanto Park - May 24
Post by: maddog on May 26, 2014, 06:20:42 PM +0100
At Monsanto, I discovered the best way to escape a roadblock, caused by the leaders doing a tangle,  was to do a backflip over the obstruction, check for missing parts, and continue bravely with what's still available!

I managed a few laps thereafter in a worthy position,  but needed debailing, after failing at a left hander.  Watched 5 cars go, "Bye," and scurried towards the tail.  Managed to finish anyway, as graphical issues were less than previously reported, though not entirely destroyed.  I have reserved some grumbling space, in case of need. :-\


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Monsanto Park - May 24
Post by: Arf Arf Arf on May 27, 2014, 10:18:23 AM +0100
This is where things get misty...very red and very misty!! For the next few laps I was driving like a looney and desperate to close the huge gap to Roberto as quickly as possible  ::) Needless to say , I made some stupid mistakes and eventually I nerfed Marco (?) I think.

Clive, I am hurt! I was me you 'nerfed'.....assuming your definition of nerfing is my definition of nerfing....er...that's two races in a row you've affected my race and apologised to someone else!! Was it something I said?

Anyway, on Lap5 you were behind me. You'd been closing on me, dropping back, and coming up at me, so I knew a pass was probable. However, I feel you made a very late lunge on a corner with only one line through it and... nerfed up my race....

I'm pretty sure you will have a successful claim for the incident that knocked you back, and I feel I should report you to balance things out....just not sure I can be bothered.

I will try not to mention this again, but this reminds me why I object so strongly to my fairly won P2 at Brands being erased from history due to problems with the other server..you have to take incidents like Monsanto on the chin, and don't get the benefit for what you have done. I'd love to say I won't contest the rerun on principle, but its more to do with not being in the country on that date..

Arf


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Monsanto Park - May 24
Post by: dave curtis on May 27, 2014, 12:15:44 PM +0100
I will try not to mention this again, but this reminds me why I object so strongly to my fairly won P2 at Brands being erased from history due to problems with the other server..
Arf

ok, not in the same league by any means (& I was on the troublesome server)  - but I was more than happy with making it to the end of that Brands race & my 5th place.   Was just trying to drive around the server issues/lack of visibility - an online equivalent of dusty eyes/blurry vision maybe?  :)

Now I've ended up with a bit of a rant & posted in an inappropriate location!


I'll try to bring this back with I'm not sure I like the way I was top of the list of drivers involved in the Monsanto L1T1 incident;  hopefully it was just alphabetical order...!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Monsanto Park - May 24
Post by: Arf Arf Arf on May 27, 2014, 12:30:29 PM +0100
Now I've ended up with a bit of a rant & posted in an inappropriate location!

Dave, I didn't understand this line, and I'm not sure if you are talking about my comments or yours (those in your last post don't sound like a rant), so just to be clear - there were a number of problems faced by the mods that night, and I don't think there was anything else they could do for the Grid B folks. As far as I understand it there were no issues with the Grid A race/replay, so I don't understand why we've been dragged into a rerun. However, I don't want to make the mods lives any more difficult than they already are, so these are my last words on the matter.

Arf


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Monsanto Park - May 24
Post by: dave curtis on May 27, 2014, 04:08:17 PM +0100
Apologies - that was re: my comment only.   

I was just chiming in [but obviously not helping]  as there was a mention of an unfruitful/wasted Brands outing.  Initially, I had not realised you are in the 'other' group  - after all, I never see the guys I'm with, let alone GroupA members!

No offense/distress intended anywhere.  Yes, the mod-team do sterling work.  Realistically, it's probably fair to say the GroupB re-run is not a personal attack on my lucky end-position that night.   





 


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Monsanto Park - May 24
Post by: Turkey Machine on May 27, 2014, 06:14:37 PM +0100
I'll try to bring this back with I'm not sure I like the way I was top of the list of drivers involved in the Monsanto L1T1 incident;  hopefully it was just alphabetical order...!

IIRC LM2 lists the drivers in surname alphabetical order, so yes it could well have been.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Monsanto Park - May 24
Post by: Cookie on May 27, 2014, 06:49:44 PM +0100
 :thumbup1: Gratulations Paul to the successfull import of these complicated F2 races  :thumbup2: :thumbup2: :thumbup2:


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Monsanto Park - May 24
Post by: Roberto Teso on May 27, 2014, 08:01:20 PM +0100
:thumbup1: Gratulations Paul to the successfull import of these complicated F2 races  :thumbup2: :thumbup2: :thumbup2:


I join the compliments too, hoping maybe one of you can explain to me pole and fastest lap reported in group B…


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Monsanto Park - May 24
Post by: EvilClive on May 27, 2014, 10:28:07 PM +0100
This is where things get misty...very red and very misty!! For the next few laps I was driving like a looney and desperate to close the huge gap to Roberto as quickly as possible  ::) Needless to say , I made some stupid mistakes and eventually I nerfed Marco (?) I think.

Clive, I am hurt! I was me you 'nerfed'.....assuming your definition of nerfing is my definition of nerfing....er...that's two races in a row you've affected my race and apologised to someone else!! Was it something I said?

Anyway, on Lap5 you were behind me. You'd been closing on me, dropping back, and coming up at me, so I knew a pass was probable. However, I feel you made a very late lunge on a corner with only one line through it and... nerfed up my race....

I'm pretty sure you will have a successful claim for the incident that knocked you back, and I feel I should report you to balance things out....just not sure I can be bothered.

I will try not to mention this again, but this reminds me why I object so strongly to my fairly won P2 at Brands being erased from history due to problems with the other server..you have to take incidents like Monsanto on the chin, and don't get the benefit for what you have done. I'd love to say I won't contest the rerun on principle, but its more to do with not being in the country on that date..

Arf

Please don't take it personally Arf, I have not made you my anonymous target of choice for this season, but it was difficult to see who was in front because the red mist was so thick in my cockpit  ::) I knew that I had been chasing down Marco and my short term memory forgot that I had passed him and moved on to the next car.  Do you think that might stand up in court??  :-\

I have also just looked at the replay and yes, my move was a little Senna-esque, if I put some artistic licence on it  ::)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Monsanto Park - May 24
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on May 27, 2014, 10:51:24 PM +0100
:thumbup1: Gratulations Paul to the successfull import of these complicated F2 races  :thumbup2: :thumbup2: :thumbup2:


I join the compliments too, hoping maybe one of you can explain to me pole and fastest lap reported in group B…

Paul - many thanks for sorting out the imports - far to complicated for me.

Roberto - I think the fastest laps have something to do with the BT14 - it has happened before. Of course anyone who picks such a dog slow car should get a special award - but fastest lap is a bit generous. Again something I would have no idea how to rectify.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Monsanto Park - May 24
Post by: Cookie on May 27, 2014, 11:38:01 PM +0100
:thumbup1: Gratulations Paul to the successfull import of these complicated F2 races  :thumbup2: :thumbup2: :thumbup2:


I join the compliments too, hoping maybe one of you can explain to me pole and fastest lap reported in group B…


Roberto the problem is :
1 - the export file of GPL makes no difference of Brabhams
2 - GPLRA does not know the F2 mod and gives no proper cars in reports
3- the database has a hickup with this BT14 and only someone with higher privileges to manipulate it could help ::)

I have a tweaked GPLRA for the CanAm71 that works fine with the database, but the F2 version makes something different so I can't use it for the import...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Monsanto Park - May 24
Post by: dave curtis on May 28, 2014, 12:06:47 AM +0100

I think the fastest lap for the BT14 ends up as 'fastest in class'; as the BT14 is marked as an unknown quantity.   Even I have a record in that car somewhere, despite being about 10seconds off the real pace.

Cheers,
Dave.



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Monsanto Park - May 24
Post by: Robert Fleurke on July 30, 2014, 12:43:55 AM +0100
Mod report is up.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Monsanto Park - May 24
Post by: BadBlood on July 30, 2014, 09:11:59 PM +0100
I have corrected the results. You do not get penalised for a second Shift R but retired at that point or excluded. Robert reset twice but only as a result of being hit whilst stationary after the first reset. This does not really count as two resets as described in the rules.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Monsanto Park - May 24
Post by: Robert Fleurke on July 30, 2014, 09:31:07 PM +0100
Cheers Paul! :)