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Title: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Brands Hatch - Jun 15
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on June 11, 2014, 10:35:56 PM +0100
THIS POST IS FOR BOTH GRIDS

The re-run of Round 5 of the Formula 2 series is on Sunday 15th June. We are at the classic Brands Hatch circuit. A long standing “add on” track for UKGPL which has hosted a number of British Grand Prix.

Both Groups will run on one grid.

Drivers have been allocated to the grids as below
Group A
Arf, Cookie, Dean Logan, Doni Yourth, Evil, Greg T, Marco, Natan, Fulvio, Badblood, Billy, Boggy, Il Lupo & Newblood.
RACE ON UKGPL3

Group B
Phil Thornton, Piero Mercaldo, Rainier, Raoni, Robert Fleurke, Roberto Teso, Ronnie, Samb, Turkey Machine, Iestyn, Dave Curtis, Rog, Maddog, Bernie & Walter
RACE ON UKGPL_T7


ONE reset is allowed but the Shift R must be followed by a Stop & Go in the pit lane within TWO laps. If you Reset on the last lap a 15 second time penalty will be awarded. Drivers must complete 50% of the race distance to score.

No handicaps apply.

Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL7 / T7
IP = 62.149.202.168
Race date = 15 June 2014
Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Track = brands 67 (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=6810)
Race length = 25 Laps
Variant = 1967 Formula 2
Damage Model = Intermediate
Qualifying time = max. 30 minutes
Password: see above (#post_event_password)
Replays available here (http://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/inc_replaysS26_js.aspx)

GPL F2 Mod: The initial release of the F2 mod will be used. The mod can be found here (http://http://www.f2legends.net/F2Downloads.htm)


The Driver list, Championship Table and series rules can be found here: Formula Two Trophy (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=425&theme=6)

Please restrict chat to pit messages including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Brands Hatch - Jun 15
Post by: roguk on June 15, 2014, 10:02:12 PM +0100
Disappointed, saw race was running late joined server ok, but every time entered pits car was stuck in wall, other cars were exiting pits with no probs.  :(
 


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Brands Hatch - Jun 15
Post by: Cookie on June 15, 2014, 10:10:29 PM +0100
same here...

But also my new G27 wheel lost center!


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Brands Hatch - Jun 15
Post by: GregT on June 15, 2014, 10:14:04 PM +0100
My apologies Marco. I lifted earlier and more than usual but it wasn't any where close to what I needed to do.

It was fun while it lasted.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Brands Hatch - Jun 15
Post by: Turkey Machine on June 15, 2014, 10:33:22 PM +0100
Disappointing end to the season. Roll on S27.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Brands Hatch - Jun 15
Post by: bernie on June 15, 2014, 10:39:02 PM +0100
same problem with pits exit , had to use s/r to join track so kept to minimum p/o's possible , my set up was wanting as a result of lack of practise ( no excuse i know ) but i'm blaming the lack of pracky for my crappy performance tonight .

Grats to the podium boys commiserations to all others who failed to get any champers  :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Brands Hatch - Jun 15
Post by: Billy Nobrakes on June 15, 2014, 10:40:59 PM +0100
Apologies for the problems launching T7 server & big thanks to Badblood for providing the back up.

Brands is a technical circuit &  I really struggle to get near a reasonable lap time here.

Had a similar issue with the car being placed in the hay bales part of the pit lane. Simple solution was a Shift R - when the track was clear.

Thanks for the racing.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Brands Hatch - Jun 15
Post by: dave curtis on June 15, 2014, 10:50:32 PM +0100
I also was stuck in wall/bales when I entered the pitlane during qually session.   As a result, performed a shift-R so as to appear on the track.  I assumed this would be allowed due to circumstances...

I was never going to be good compared to the rest of the professional-level field,   but fairly pleased overall.  However,  could have definitely done without the offs/contact :)

So not a spectacular end to the season,  but not mush was really going to change from my perspective.  There again this season probably did not turn out as us less-accomplished had hoped - but that was just the way it worked out.   But,  certainly happy enough with being able to enter all the events I was able to.

I guess bonus was beating previous PB from the discarded race.

Thanks all.  Hopefully F2 will return in s27!


Cheers,
Dave.




Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Brands Hatch - Jun 15
Post by: Marco Mercaldo on June 15, 2014, 11:08:19 PM +0100
.....thanks Davies for giving me some hope......unlucky  race  for Mercaldo brothers , killed in the same curve............


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Brands Hatch - Jun 15
Post by: Iestyn Davies on June 15, 2014, 11:23:25 PM +0100
What a race to end the season! Roll on S27! I guess this race could be compared to the Formula Ford Festival?  :P

If that's the case... sterling race up front. Thought I might have snuck pole with my first 32 lap, after finding a Johnny Ackerman setup to mod to the track. Having 25 practice laps showed.. this is the form I really should have brought to all the F2 races this year. Could have made it a 3-way title battle! But, I guess I am just Anthony Davidson to Jenson Button/Dan Wheldon, who both went on to win titles, while Davidson was always on the sidelines. Robert fought back for pole, with Roberto in 3rd.

The start went well; I fell in behind Robert, as I was not fully alongside before T1. My caution there was starting to bunch up the field behind me, so I tried to drive flat out after the apex to try and catch Robert, before his tyres came up to temperature. I got close at T1 the next lap, but was not confident of passing there, so braked early, as I was right on Rob's gearbox. This almost caught out Roberto, who was pushing 100% behind us, and so he darted down the inside to avoid my slowing car, and seeing that, I kept it wide on the outside to just avoid contact. Brilliant pass, given the circumstances!  :o

After that, I thought there was a problem with my sound only coming from one speaker ???, and made a small error at the last corner while trying to rectify it. Perhaps being mugged for 2nd messed with my mind? ::) This dropped me a few seconds back, and it took me a few laps to get going again and start to catch up with the leading duo, now battling for the win and the title. Eventually, I got back to Roberto, trying a move after the long straight, but Roberto held the outside line well to stay in front. After a few more laps, Roberto was unlucky to go wide under pressure, touching the grass before the back straight, and thus I set off after Rob. Managed to set the fastest lap, while pulling back in to Roberto.

But Robert held firm to win the title, allowing Bernie to unlap himself on the line (to run the last lap), with me crossing the line only 1 second after. Grats to both title protagonists!  8)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Brands Hatch - Jun 15
Post by: Robert Fleurke on June 16, 2014, 12:58:18 AM +0100
Quali went well, my second run was very good with 3 consecutive sub33 laps and so was able to beat Iestyn's laptime...and a UKGPL laprecord...

Had a solid start and decent first lap, however Iesty and RT were close behind. RT passed Iesty and started to put pressure on me. Had to drive really hard, and after 10-15 laps I had a gap of 3s. After Iestyn inherited P2 I tried to keep the gap the same, about 4-5s. Slowed before finish to give Bernie lap back, but it was rather close for comfort, as Iestyn finished 1s behind, did almost a Schumi  :o

The winning streak continues!  8)

Well done Iestyn and RT, also both podiums and finishers! Thanks lapped cars for room, and thanks all for racing this season. I was glad later in the season we ran grids together. Had to win last two races, and I did, and beat Roberto, a great contender, for Grid B trophy. Also congrats to Clive for Grid A Trophy, that was very close in the end, tough luck Marco...

Also thanks to Billy and Paul for modding, cheers guys :)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Brands Hatch - Jun 15
Post by: Doni Yourth on June 16, 2014, 03:12:01 AM +0100
Grats...yet again!...to Robert on a sterling drive for the win!  You're just unstoppable.  Anyone here up on voodoo?  :)

Splendid drive from Izzy to capture P2 and set the FTD.  Well done, amigo.

Fine job by Roberto to scoop the final podium slot.

Am I reading the championship tables correctly?  Evil(Clive)has won by a single point over Marco?  WOOOHOOO!  Dynamite finish and result for The Blue Moose!  And no thanks to me, either.  More on that later...

I got a decent lap in qualifying.  Not quite a PB but close.  Off the line, I got a good launch where Marco, directly ahead, was very slow to get away.  I veered right and slipped around him cleanly carving in front of Dean who was also slow to get away and starting his march to the back.

I took up station behind Greg.  Lap02 and a mighty shunt between Evil and Piero.  Both off with a considerable loss of positions and time.  Greg had to lift for this tangle and that allowed me to slip by him on the run down to Hawthorn.  Finished the lap in a lofty P5.  Well!

Rocket was just up ahead and edging away slightly.  Never to fear...  If the recent scripts would play out again, I would rob him later.  ;)

Greg was right on my tail to start Lap03 but fell off in Paddock to surrender some spots.  Marco took up the challenge and hounded my mercilessly for many a lap.  He had a couple of stabs at a pass but it just wasn't quite on.  I was particularly vulnerable running up the hill from Hawthorn to Westfield as I'd geared the BT23 to make this stretch in just one gear.  In fact, I only used gears 2 through 4 once I got rolling off the grid.  Ever the lazy one.  :)

Ronnie must have had a few 'moments' as the gap to him was suddenly halved and he was well in sight.  I monitored my pit board closely for developments noting the gap to Ronnie ahead and how many laps remained.  Marco was back a tick and reduced to a threat rather than a challenge.

Starting Lap09, it looked like Rocket was pulling a gap on me again and Marco was closing fast astern.  Lap11 and exiting South Bank to start the run along to Pilgrim's Drop, I was suddenly alone.  Marco had disappeared.  A sigh of relief...

As I finished the lap and scoped my board, I noted that Ronnie was just five seconds up the road, we were at the half-way point and...and...  HUH?  What was that?  Did...  Did I see Evil's name on my board?  Nah...  Must have been seeing things...

Lap13, Ronnie still five seconds ahead, a Mercaldo shown behind me...yea, I was seeing things...and rounding Druids, a screen freeze with the Cosworth FVA buzzing away to about 23 gajillion revolutions.  Swapped over to Windows and killed GPL with Task Manager.  A good p5 up the spout.  :(

Only later in checking the posted results and downloading the server replay did I twig to what was really going on behind me.  On Lap08, I had no idea whatsoever that Clive had passed Marco to take over p6 directly behind me.  All I saw was this green car dancing about in my mirrors and giving me a hard time.  Finishing one lap, I saw this green car pasted all over my tail but it went wide onto the grass verge on the left and fell back.  A green Brabham with a gold stripe looks pretty much like a green Matra with a blue stripe at speed.  If I'd only known, I would have gladly pulled aside for Clive, our defacto leader of The Blue Moose.  I'm so relieved to learn that he recovered to place well enough to capture the F2 crown.  PHEW!








Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Brands Hatch - Jun 15
Post by: Marco Mercaldo on June 16, 2014, 02:00:47 PM +0100
..............waiting for report..................I say thank you to the organizers for nice season.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Brands Hatch - Jun 15
Post by: Piero Mercaldo on June 16, 2014, 07:28:49 PM +0100
Congratulations Robert
Truly a good driver

At the next Championship, where I hope to be more competitive and trained

Hello and thanks to all


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Brands Hatch - Jun 15
Post by: BadBlood on June 17, 2014, 10:24:34 AM +0100
..............waiting for report..................I say thank you to the organizers for nice season.

With a one point difference you come to the modding with a little fear...


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Brands Hatch - Jun 15
Post by: Robert Fleurke on July 30, 2014, 02:31:12 AM +0100
Mod report is up.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Brands Hatch - Jun 15
Post by: Marco Mercaldo on July 30, 2014, 09:48:04 AM +0100
...............RACE INCIDENT   ?!?! .............(naturally)


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Brands Hatch - Jun 15
Post by: Robert Fleurke on July 30, 2014, 02:33:44 PM +0100
(http://www.plaatjesdump.nl/upload/feb4bacaa61f0abcdcf8298a6a238ba8.jpg)

Bottom Straight, Clive has substantial overlap before turn in.

(http://www.plaatjesdump.nl/upload/4725febad45032a2770b9ff0b001746c.jpg)

South Bank, both turn in, Clive has still substantial overlap.

(http://www.plaatjesdump.nl/upload/0e2d80644556910b8233ee4568785ca3.jpg)

South Bank, contact is made by collision boxes. Clive keeps the inside.

https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/rules/ambitious_overtake

Contested Overtake: Racing Incident -  The overtaking car had achieved a 50% or greater overlap but not 100% or greater at the point of turn-in and both drivers were in full control.



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Brands Hatch - Jun 15
Post by: Ronniepeterson on July 30, 2014, 05:38:47 PM +0100
At the risk of picking up more flak from other drivers this is my whole point about the moderation last season in particular.

I and others picked up penalties for doing the same when others are not being penalised? Again you can argue all you want about degree of overlap but it comes down to one driver taking the racing line and assuming he has the corner and another planting his car down the inside and assuming he has the corner and will be left enough room. As for rear end contact, are we now going to see some people getting off with that classic "he braked earlier than expected ".

I repeat, I'm not looking for Clive, Billy or anyone else for that matter to pick up penalties, but then why did I and others? Level playing field for all..... sorry, but it does not look like it from here.

One other thing, these overhead shots which the moderators seem to be increasingly relying on, can be completely misleading and are the least reliable indicator of responsibility for an incident, in my opinion.  I appreciate you look at an incident from all angles before making up your minds but less of these appearing on the forum to confirm what happened would be appreciated. I find them infuriating where for me they have led to a complete injustice in the past. Obviously if the majority disagree I look forward to seeing more of them. It is a democracy after all.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Brands Hatch - Jun 15
Post by: Robert Fleurke on July 30, 2014, 06:05:54 PM +0100
At the risk of picking up more crap from other drivers this is my whole point about the moderation last season in particular. I and others picked up penalties for doing the same when others are not penalised?
I repeat, I'm not looking for Clive, Dean or anyone else for that matter to pick up penalties but then why should I??? Level playing field, I think not! One other thing these overhead shots which the moderators seem to be increasingly relying on do not show the whole picture of an incident and can be completely misleading in terms of responsibility for an incident, in my opinion.

Sorry you feel that way. It seems whatever the mods do, it's never good enough for you. Also, please point me to incidents you think you did the same and felt done wrong, just for my own research and checking where you come from!?

The overhead shots are a great tool to use combined with UKGPL guidelines and etiquette. I've watched the replay at all angles and cams, these shots are only used to show key moments. How much overlap is there and at what point, to clarify my report. It was a favour to Marco that I posted those screenshots.

Even though we look for as much consistency as possible, moderators do have their own style and might judge certain incidents (slightly) differently. We aren't perfect.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Brands Hatch - Jun 15
Post by: Turkey Machine on July 30, 2014, 07:30:25 PM +0100
At the risk of picking up more flak from other drivers this is my whole point about the moderation last season in particular.

I and others picked up penalties for doing the same when others are not being penalised? Again you can argue all you want about degree of overlap but it comes down to one driver taking the racing line and assuming he has the corner and another planting his car down the inside and assuming he has the corner and will be left enough room. As for rear end contact, are we now going to see some people getting off with that classic "he braked earlier than expected ".

I repeat, I'm not looking for Clive, Billy or anyone else for that matter to pick up penalties, but then why did I and others? Level playing field for all..... sorry, but it does not look like it from here.

One other thing, these overhead shots which the moderators seem to be increasingly relying on, can be completely misleading and are the least reliable indicator of responsibility for an incident, in my opinion.  I appreciate you look at an incident from all angles before making up your minds but less of these appearing on the forum to confirm what happened would be appreciated. I find them infuriating where for me they have led to a complete injustice in the past. Obviously if the majority disagree I look forward to seeing more of them. It is a democracy after all.

FWIW, any overtake, be it virtual or real, requires compliance from all drivers involved. See the recent F1 race in Germany for textbook examples of this working and failing.

Historically, in my own experience (and cost) I've turned into the corner at a very far-gone Spa race when leading and somebody's attempted an overtake, yet it was classed as a racing incident. Again, overlap was key.

The normal view of drivers is not very forthcoming as to the overlap, but can be revealing as to the attempted line of the driver. The overhead view in this instance is useful in determining the size of the overlap.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Brands Hatch - Jun 15
Post by: Ronniepeterson on July 30, 2014, 07:46:56 PM +0100
Sorry you feel that way. It seems whatever the mods do, it's never good enough for you. Also, please point me to incidents you think you did the same and felt done wrong, just for my own research and checking where you come from!?

Robert and anyone else who feels I am being unreasonable, please accept that I am just voicing an opinion and not refusing to listen to or even accept views to the contrary.

Your first statement, that the work of the modertors is never good enough for me, is a little disingenuous, as that is not what I think or am trying to say. But it does not mean that it cannot be better. Improvements to the moderation/penalty system would benefit all. I like to think its a democracy here at UKGPL and we must be allowed to air our opinions whether liked or not. For example I see elsewhere that loose grids are being thought of by the moderation team after the Brno race last night. This is something which I and others have had a moan about in the past on the forum. Maybe it will happen maybe it won't but at least its on the agenda and in my opinion would decrease incidents at the start of races.

As for past incidents I don't submit reports as a rule so don't have a collection to review and resubmit to you. To start describing incidents with other drivers who I simply don't have a problem racing with and stir up unnecessary bad feeling would be counter productive. But her is one for you as requested. The F2 race at Kyalami. Do I go for a gap that is not there as the moderation states or does the other driver with all four wheels off track rejoin onto the racing line, at racing speed, into my path? Ambitious overtake or bad rejoin, you tell me.

Notwithstanding that we should always look to improve if we can, I have no problem with the moderation/penalty system and/or moderators. I just want to see it applied in the same fashion to all drivers. Its just my opinion and I hope you and anyone else will continue to treat me no differently on track. As for comments on the forum I have developed a thick skin in the last couple of seasons so feel free to agree/disagree as necessary, it won't alter how I race with you.



Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Brands Hatch - Jun 15
Post by: Piero Mercaldo on July 30, 2014, 07:52:35 PM +0100

I could make at least 10 examples demonstrating that if it were me instead of Evil would have been disqualified ..
Not by training I never took it too seriously, but here you have overcome ...

 ???   Ciao


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Brands Hatch - Jun 15
Post by: BadBlood on July 30, 2014, 08:32:11 PM +0100
We do endeavour to moderate in a standardised way BUT each moderator brings his own style to the work. It is fairly easy to say "There are these examples where it was different...." but if you would list them it would help us achieve a more standard interpretation. In this particular incident Piero could have stayed wider (and probably should have) but wasn't careless but turned in very sharply. Clive kept narrow and could do little else except jam on the anchors.

You could penalise either driver or go with R/I. Given that Piero asks for no penalty (which implies R/I) and feels he is the victim the verdict seems pretty safe. I genuinely do not understand the irritation.

Both drivers could have done something different. If I was Clive I would not have put my car up the inside. If I was Piero I would have stayed wider. Either choice would have avoided the incident.

Can I point out that WE DO NOT WANT TO MOD ANYTHING! More co-operative driving by all drivers would lead to less incidents and less modding! It is more fun too.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Brands Hatch - Jun 15
Post by: Robert Fleurke on July 30, 2014, 09:33:25 PM +0100
Thanks Paul.

Ray, I apologize for my first statement, will PM you.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Brands Hatch - Jun 15
Post by: Marco Mercaldo on July 31, 2014, 08:06:43 AM +0100
I think, that was not a point of overtaking, evil would be long gone because the curve tightens at the end (with cold tires), it was more prudent to wait for the straight.   However thanks to all, and have good new season.


Title: Re: UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy - Brands Hatch - Jun 15
Post by: BadBlood on July 31, 2014, 09:39:19 AM +0100
I agree that it wasn't necessarily the best place to stick your nose in but I would draw everybody's attention to the Etiquette section of the rules:

"If an overtaking driver has any part of their car beside another as they enter a corner, the driver being overtaken should not move across; they should give the overtaking car room and go through the corner side by side, or let them through into the corner and try to re-take them at the exit."

The point here is that Piero could have taken a wider line. And, as I have said, Clive could have backed out. Sometimes drivers have to compromise their own lap to ensure better racing. It would have been interesting if Clive had backed off AND Piero had stayed wide...