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Season 27 Amateurs Trophy - Round 2 - Adelaide

Welcome to the Season 27 Amateurs Trophy.

Second round of the Season 27 championship for the Amateurs will be in Adelaide (Australia).

The full time drivers can start to practice as soon as the server is available.  Reserve drivers can also join as soon as the server becomes available but must leave the server with 35 minutes of qualifying left, for a total of 5 minutes; this will allow any remaining full timers to join.  If there is enough space on the grid, the reserve drivers will be able to rejoin when there are 30 mins of qualifying left.  

Please restrict chat to pit messages including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

The race will be run under INT rules and only one reset is allowed.


Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL_T7_2
IP address = 62.149.202.168
Race date = Tuesday 05-08-2014
Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Track (http://jrpearson.homestead.com/AdelaideCircuits.html)
Race length = 28 laps
Variant = 1965
Damage Model = Int
Qualifying time = minimum of 30 minutes

Password see above (#post_event_password)
Replay will be here (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Replays/Archive/Season27/)

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=451&theme=6)

The red zone will be fully moderated for the full lap 1 only.
 Other moderation will be on reported incidents only.

Password: see above (#post_event_password)
Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=451&theme=6)

Fun track, I enjoy it much better now than when I first joined UKGPL in season 25 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=11828.0 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=11828.0) ). I had such a hard time with the track that I postponed my UKGPL debut until the next race (Monaco).  

Congrats John P. and Rog! I surpassed my humble expectations today by finishing third. I joined the qualifying round with 8 minutes left, and I mostly wanted to get into a rhythm before the race. I started near the back, and the race looked fair and clean from my vantage point. I was very happy with the way that my BRM was going through the corners. I only over-rotated once. I caught up with Rog with a few laps left in the race, and he drove solid under pressure. I was only able to make one overtake attempt into the hairpin, but I did not want to leave my braking too late while on the inside line. Good race, I could not ask for a better group of people to race against.

-WC

    

I was away yesterday, so sad to miss it. I will import the result tonight but the replay is up.

Couldn't get to grips with this track at all , far too micky mouse for me , I got eye stagma after a short while and felt dizzy , too many corners , most look the same , could't tell one from another   ???

Apart from that my race was so dull I could have brought a book with me to read , only excitement was being lapped  ::)

Grats to the podium boys

Hi
Yesterday  was my First Race in the UKGPL. I only raced 7 Rounds but I had Fun and the Drivers are very fair and recpectful. Congradulation to the winner also to the 2nd and the 3rd. Now in the next Four Weeks i train  very hard and I hope in the next Race I finished after the full distance. I think it is the green hell from the Nürburgring. So it is very very difficult.

P.S. I started as Josh64, but I changed my Name to Kai J.Daum65.

Best regards

I did a lot behind the scenes for this race, it took quite a lot of offline practice to get the car to drive well. I had difficulty stopping in a straight line and cookie kindly gave me a baseline setup that was far better than mine but still far too nervous for me, It eventually came good with soft rear rebound and dampers. I used my game pad for this one too as try as I might I cannot get to grips with wheel and peddles but I'll keep trying.

The race was fairly steady once I had got away, I had 2 spins on one lap but a good run other than that. This circuit is much harder than it looks as the car seems to wander a lot and its all too easy to enter a turn rear end first. Well done to Rog in the BT7 for keeping Walter at bay- a great effort and also to Walter for fastest lap- I thought I might have got that.... Thanks all see you next time.

After Reims now I'm back to my standard...
Grats to everybody raced.
I will miss next one unfortunately.
See you all soon
Cheers

fL

Kai,
In this series you can take one Reset [Shift R] followed by a compulsory STOP & GO.
Good to have you along. We have a great league - competitive & fair.
Next race will be your home Grand Prix & will take lots of practice for all of us.

That's still true for the pros. There are a lot of hidden bumps (especially Stag corner, that I can never take quickly, comfortably, so I'm always too slow, just safe, as long as I stayed off the curbs), true reflection of a street track (a crappy one imo :P).

Your observations that Cookie's setup seemed "nervous" and the car wanders a lot: fast race cars will almost always feel that way. They are not designed or set up to be stable, where street cars are. You might try lowering the amount of toe-out (front) and toe-in (rear)  (this will cost quick turn-in and maybe some mid-corner "bite", but should be more stable), along with softening the springs/dampers/bars, until you're more comfortable.

As always, try the changes one at a time so you have an idea what each change feels like. Change multiple things at once, and you won't know which change made the car feel better or worse.

Fixed that for you mate !

Grats to JP on win.
Have raced here before and hated it, but this time enjoyed race, prob because of car setup, used Hristo race setup as base and it worked well, the BRM did slightly faster lap time for me in praccy but had more offs so decided to go with the BT7. Tried to keep up with JP but that was not to be he kept extending his lead, latter part of race had some good racing with Walter who caught me, a few more laps and you prob would have passed, see you all at Nurburgring.

moderation published

Time penalty is fair - but should both Dave C & I get penalty points for an incorrect Stop & Go?
We're getting the team a bad name!

Thx for your job Dave

Eh? 2x penalty points for that?!   I thought this was acceptable behaviour seeing as it was the last lap?
I even submitted a report for that myself;  maybe I should have remained a bit quieter... ;)

Cheers anyway,  good job.

Cheers,
Dave.

I made a mistake about penalties, I have corrected it.

Last Season simply by chance, I came across a Moderator, who was using a reset mid-lap during practice.  This Season at least 2 Moderators have been caught using their stop & go to reset/refuel.  It may be time for the staff here to go study the rulebook more carefully,

Ok, thanks!

Maybe I can sleep at night now, without the additional worrying... :)

Cheers,
Dave.

If you make such statements, you'd better come up with some evidence to back it up. You could have reported it as well. No need to play the agitator.

Nice to know someone else tries to follow the rules Martin :laugh:

On a related topic, I asked what I thought was a simple question after the F2 race at Jarama

"from the comments above, some had fuel issues. Can someone clarify the rule on using a shift-r to refuel. I have always been under the impression that where a single shift-r is permissible it was not to be used for this purpose. If this is not the case, then when and where can fuel stops be made? I routinely overfill to avoid this but on occasion would welcome the opportunity to use a lighter car in two stints if this is available?"

and was met with a stony silence from the moderation team. But it would be nice to have an answer  ::)

It's important for those making the rules, to understand and abide by the rules.  Rules can then be explained when requested.  I made no suggestion of dishonesty, Robert.

Martin, Ray,

my own opinion is that we need to read between the lines and make a distinction between intentional refueling (like halfway) and accidently having not enough fuel onboard, and using a reset late race for this.

It might have been lost in translation, thought you meant intentional refueling Martin.

However will discuss this on the mod forum to have a final consensus and wil try to clear this up.

Stay tuned. ;)

Thanks RF - the possibility of incorrect resets being used to refuel, is cne for Moderators to consider.  I am only a casual observer.  What other stuff has been going on, and not noticed?

Has the matter of practice resets been discussed for Nurburgring?  Will this helpful information be made available before the race? :)  

Thanks for the feedback Robert.

In all my years here it has certainly been my understanding that if you run out of fuel whether at halfway or with 1 lap to go then your race is over and you should be honest enough not to use a reset, if available, to refuel. Tough if not impossible to police but we all just have to trust each other to play fair. I'm certainly not accusing anyone of anything other than me not knowing that the rules might have changed. I hasten to add I am not proposing any rule change myself.

Martin, Ray, and all for that matter,

UKGPL has never tried to police fuel stops because there isn't any evidence drivers are using them to gain an advantage.

So when you run out of fuel having miscalculated the amount, and you still have a Shift-r left in races that don't run under Pro damage, you can do that. But you have to reset out on the track and still do a S&G (or 30s penalty when in last lap or no S&G performed).

Intentional refuelling halfway would cost you time also overall, you have to reset out on the track and do a S&G. You simply lose too much time to make it work overall. Only in very long races (like 100%) it might be profitable. There is no evidence ppl attempt to do this; and it would be hard to detect.

As far as practise resets at Nurburgring the rules state:

For divisions that don't run under PRO rules (where Shift-Rs are not possible), a Shift-R is allowed only in a race, not in practice.

This rule may be relaxed at certain tracks by the moderator (usually only the Nurburgring).

I hope this will answer all your questions and things are cleared up.

Hooray, some helpful and sensible thinking.  Rules with added if's, and's or but's, do not simplify things for the Enforcers.  The more complex the rulebook gets, the more Moderators have to learn, to avoid embarrassment out on the track!

Midlap Nurby resets show kindness to Novices, IF we have any?  Not many beginners showing up these days?  Announcement please to confirm, as the rulebook suggests, or it would seem unfair to those less learned, than like what some is. ::)

Like I said, I never knew resets, where allowed, could be used to refuel at anytime during a race. Now I do and can consider this tactic if I feel it offers me an advantage. Unlikely I agree but at least I know its allowed. Thanks for the answer, appreciated.

Regardless as to whether a 'refuel reset' is technically permitted/possible or not,  to turn up at the start grid with (say) 60% fuel you really need to be quite sure that there will be no incidents very early on,  or indeeed - not so early on either!

And as resets are (typically) where the 'not professional' types are,  anything could happen...!

I usually overfill to try to avoid *that* embarrassment at least (although gpl did lie in the 2nd round on Friday & I ran dry 2laps from the end...)