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Welcome to the S27 F2 Championship - Round 2 - Jarama

Round 2 of the Formula 2 Trophy will take place in Spain. The Circuito del Jarama is a 3.4km/ 2.11 mile  race course in Madrid, Spain which has hosted nine Formula One Spanish Grand Prix. The circuit was built by Alessandro Rocci in 1967.  It  has one proper straight and most of the course consists of tight, twisty corners so overtaking was extremely difficult. (Try & avoid being in the modrator’s office afterwards).  Jarama hosted its last Formula One race in 1981

There will be no handicaps this season but, much like the 67-based series, tokens will be used!

Matra MS7 FVA : 16 tokens
Matra MS5 FVA : 14 tokens
Brabham BT23 FVA : 14 tokens
Lola T100 FVA : 14 tokens
Lotus 48 FVA : 14 tokens
Lotus 41B FVA: 12 tokens
McLaren M4A FVA : 12 tokens
Protos 16 FVA : 10 tokens
Lola T100 BMW : 10 tokens
Cooper T84 FVA : 6 tokens
Ferrari 166 : 3 tokens
Brabham BT14 LF : 0 tokens

Please check the Season 27 pages for details (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=448&theme=6) regarding rules and the Formula 2 Trophy (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=455&theme=6) pages in particular.

There will be two championships - Lights and Heavies (for slower drivers) who will contest separate championships but on the same grid.

You have ONE SHIFT-R with a Stop n Go of 0 seconds!
Only Reported incidents moderated outside the Red Zone
Full moderation of lap one Red Zone

Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL_8
Variant = 1967 Formula 2
Damage Model = Intermediate
Track = Jarama (http://jarama.gaiztor.com/index_en.html)
Race length = ~40min -> 33 laps
Race date = Sunday 10-08-2014
Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Qualifying time = 45 - 30 minutes
Race time = ~21:30 UK time
Red Zone = First lap from the start to the exit of Farina.
Replays = here (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Replays/Archive/Season27/F2s/)

Please restrict chat to only urgent messages including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

The full time drivers can start to practice as soon as the server is available.  Reserve drivers can also join as soon as the server becomes available but must leave a full (19 driver) server with 35 minutes of qualifying left, for a total of 5 minutes; this will allow any remaining full timers to join.  If there is enough space on the grid, the reserve drivers will be able to rejoin when there are 30 mins of qualifying left.  

Where does this leave me with regards to available tokens as I don't have a score in the results ?

Downloaded deleted and re installed installed this track 3 times now , every time I get problems with the d/l  :-\

The end result is always the same , message in GPL " Cannot run the track "  :'( :'( :'(

Woe is me , think I will give this a miss really hissed at this game why does it have to be so stupid   ???

That is a known problem within the SRou system. Until one has scored points, he has to do the math himself.  You will have a maximum of 14 tokens to spend for the Jarama race (you have 4 now plus 10 for starting the race).


The Jarama track is also found here (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Tracks/Jarama/) at UKGPL. Maybe your download won't be corrupt and you can install properly and race, good luck ;)

Thanks for that Robert , it appears it isn't just Jarama track wont load , none of my other GPL tracks will when F2 cars are selevted  . Only the F2 mod , all the other mods run OK  ???

Are you loading from GEM Bernie? F2 is picky about your Video settings so may be that is the issue?

HATE JARAMA - 'nuff said

Yes always using GEM

Bernie, you have the right seasons file selected? Season67 for all installed tracks or F2season for only F2 tracks!?

I'm not qualified to answer [but; I'm  I have just got over a whole bunch of PC boot/FOV/shifter/GPL running nicely again issues..]
If running from within GEM,  then I guess try deleting the gplcf2.exe file from the GPL folder & have GEM rebuild it.  I guess it would not hurt to compare rasteriser/graphics options with another mod as mentioned elsewhere :)


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For a couple of seasons, I was having ongoing issues with the 65mod;  where it would be working fine;  but at some point would get the unresponsive green flag so couldn't join a new session.   I realised from looking back at a not-too-recent backup copy of the GPL folder that the gplc65.exe was working fine when 1778KB but not if it was presumably re-patched for whatever reason to 1878KB.   In fact, I ended up creating a batch file to copy a renamed old 'good' .exe to overwrite the current gplc65.exe.

I've only just fixed this by reinstalling 65 & now all works well;  although the cars look & sound a lot different...
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What I'm trying to say is that it's probably straightforward to resolve if one knows what it's doing in there.   Err - I don't,  but maybe try deleting the file to have GEM rebuild it,  or maybe if you have a gpl backup from some time ago - maybe try drafting the old gplc65.exe in?   Failing that;  someone else is sure to help...!


Once it's working;  make a backup of the entire gpl folder [maybe excluding the replay folder].

Good luck, hope to see you later.

Cheers,
Dave.

Apparently I've been here before in a previous season;  but after a couple of 'new' laps - I agree with you...!

Did some laps back last december new to F2 mod. Since Thursdaynight I have been lapping in all chassis's here as most WR's were up for grabs and I drove some Friday night. Yesterday wasn't able to test, right now finetuning racesetup for tonight...

I think the trick here is as always keep momentum, and combine double kinks as one single turn. Like Nuvolari and Fangio after the s/f straight; and the double kink between Ascari and Bugatti. And driving nice short lines. Most difficult point is braking towards Pegio after Bugatti, and having a smooth stable exit there. You need to keep some momentum and enough revs at the gear you use. If you brake to hard or too late you might go right instead of left ;)

Good luck all ;)

Giving this one a miss as other half is hospitalised with dehydration from the worst norovirus I've seen!

That did the trick , not sure how I did it but Ta Very Much Indeed  :)

Sorry to here this , please give her all our best wishes for a speedy recovery

+1

You told me Tuesday she was ill already, Jethro, hope her condition will improve soon!

Cripes!  Sorry to learn this of your wife, Jethro.  The news hit me like a freight train.  Just nicely reading along when WAMO!

Please do give her OUR best and hope to see a quick and complete recovery.

After all the pre race trauma I may have to depart the server early dependant on what time my 2 grandkids arrive this evening  ::)

Hope your wife gets well soon Jethro.

Will be home in time for race tonight (if there is any space on server) as a heavy driver i hope you lights will bear that in mind and not get to frustrated when you come to lap me, is there a central mirror or virtual mirror for the f2 cars as i think i might need it?

 I'd like to add my best wishes for your wife Jethro and hope she gets over that nasty infection quickly.

As for the race...not one of my favourite tracks, although I could not give you any reason why I don't like it  :-\

Hope your wife gets better quickly Jethro, and I know you're not much older than me, so kudos on having one already!  8)

Some business suddenly popped up pre-race, so I only got on to the server with a minute to go, and had 1 lap to see if the setup I developed at Surfers Paradise (with Atlas) would suit Jarama.

Was having a nice battle through the field, following Greg, when Hurricane Bertha's remains literally hit (the most fierce storm this year, and it's lost steam while travelling across the Atlantic :o) and knocked out my internet connection!

That's the only explanation I have, although Igor did crash earlier, when I received a call on the land-line....  :laugh: Takes me back to the dial-up days...

Really dislike this track.
Horribly slow & found many new places to spin.
Apologies to David R if our contact near the end was my fault ~ I didn't save the replay but decided to exit before causing any more mischief.

Best wishes to the wife / girlfriend Jethro.

It was not my day !
I was rear ended on the 1st lap during red zone, I don't know by whom , and restarted last.
I forget to stop and go and did it 2 laps after ...
Then the Cooper was nice to drive and I could overtake Dave and Billy ...until my steering wheel separated from my table. I lost one minute to affix it !
I made two or three mistakes but could rejoin Billy around the 30-31st lap.
Billy was slow and I thought I could overtake him before the next turn but Billy turned like he didn't see me (moderation will decide) and we collided.  
That was enough for me and I gave up !

Best wishes to Jethro and his wife.

Stupid mod that lets you run out of gas with 1,5 laps to go on a mod track, with 4 laps more fuel loaded...
Grats Clive and Rob and Dean :thumbup1:

Difficult race at a difficult track. Despite running many laps here, still having probs with consistency here. Start was OK and could keep the lead, but went wide into Nuvolari on Lap 2 or 3 and Clive went by. Clive gave me the lead back after a mistake, but then I went off again, and Clive got back in the lead. Looked like he was pushing the Lola-BMW beyond the boundaries what is physically possible!  8)

We had to lap a lot of cars, and even though they gave much room, sometimes you hit them in the wrong spot, and you lose time. Anyway, trying to get back to Clive I spun in Nuvolari/Fangio, now properly, and lost about 10s.

Then pushed to try to reduce the gap, that happened, Clive seemed to have a problem as well, and then caught a few lapped cars at the wrong spot losing vital seconds. Managed to do a fastlap towards the end. Clive managed his lead well and brought it safely to the finish. A more than deserved win, deliver us from Evil!  :angel:

Also well done Dean, and the rest of the finishers, and commiserations to the retirements. Lapped cars did a very good job in general! :)

Congratulations Clive, Rob, and Dean!

That was tough one. My second try here and once again I was very inconsistent.

I got a terrible start. Dean beat me off the line and then that powerhouse Cooper :) outran me down the straight. I wasn't sure what to do going into turn 1. It looks like Dean and I couldn't decide who was going to take 3rd. I took a wide line thinking he'd come across in front of me exiting turn 1 and I'd fall in behind him. I could have been a little more aggressive into turn 1 holding a slightly tighter line but there was no way for me to know that. My wide entrance and exit at turn 2 didn't work well at all. I'd have been in decent shape had I lifted for turn 3 but I didn't expect Dean to slow much if at all there. Luckily there was enough room for everybody to get by me after the wreck.

It was very difficult trying to pass in the Ferrari. I was much faster through most of the track but didn't have the muscle to get by on the straight after I was put back deep in the field. I had to jump the curb into turn 1 to finally make the pass stick on rog. That actually damaged the car but I didn't realize it until I read the mechanical report. I did wonder why my late lap times were slow.

That was fun, frustrating, and a little disappointing all at the same time. I had the pace to get 4th maybe even 3rd with some good luck but I just couldn't drive well today.

Had I known so many would drive Coopers and Clive was driving the Lola, I might have drove the BT23 to vie for the win. There wasn't much to gain token wise driving the 166 today.

Take care guys, thanks for the racing.

That was a great race with Robert and myself as we were very similar for pace in qually and the race.

Robert set a stunning time to take pole and I was more than content to have made the front row. It was a fantastic, race long  battle between us and I think it was obvious that both of us were running on the ragged edge where the smallest mistake was punished with a half spin which allowed the lead to swap.

It seemed that the Cooper (in Robert's hands) had the better handling, but the Lola BMW had a little more power, but a heavier tail end that wanted to step out everywhere!! For most of the race I was throwing the car into the corners and trying to balance the slide with gas and brakes just to match Robert's pace!!!
It was not until I squeezed between 2 backmarkers on the S/F straight and pulled a few seconds breathing space that I could begin to concentrate on smoother lines.

I did not actually have a problem later in the race, but I did have a scare with 10 laps to go when I looked at my fuel!!! :o :o  So I backed off and short shifted for a few laps until I was sure that I could make it to the flag. It cost me a good few seconds of my precious lead but I knew I did not have enough time to take a Shift/R and a SnG and still come out in front. So I let Robert get within 3-4 secs and then managed the gap all the way to the flag  ;)

This is still not a favourite track of mine but quite pleased to get a win in a hard fought race.

grats to Dean for completing the podium and to all those who made it to the finish.

Apologies to any of the people that I lapped if I appeared to pressure you, but I had Robert breathing down my neck looking for any chance to pass!!! 

said before race ( as a heavy driver i hope you lights will bear that in mind and not get to frustrated when you come to lap me)


From Robert
We had to lap a lot of cars, and even though they gave much room, sometimes you hit them in the wrong spot

then caught a few lapped cars at the wrong spot losing vital seconds

From GregT
 I had to jump the curb into turn 1 to finally make the pass stick on rog. That actually damaged the car but I didn't realize it until I read the mechanical report. I did wonder why my late lap times were slow. 
                       That was fun, frustrating, and a little disappointing all at the same time

That is why the Lights and Heavies should be run on separate servers, even if only a low number turn up.
Watching replay Sorry GregT for tap on lap 8 did not notice it in race and thanks for waiting lap 20 after our coming together, enjoyed racing with you but when you eventually passed me and took off can understand your frustration.

Running two grids is a bit of a headache and, for myself, I quite like getting a turn with the big boys so that I can hold them up for a few corners get out of the way as soon as I see a blue flag....

@Jethro - hope the wife feels better soon. Horrible thing to have. Cleaning it up isn't that great either. We once had a time when all four kids were ill and Denise and I had it too. :(

Personally I like fuller grids, Rog. The lapped cars did a superb job in general. I can understand it's not fun to be lapped every race, but it's also this difficult track that made huge differences in performance I think, and it's hard to pass here apart from the straight, even when you are way faster...

Clive drove very sensible in the second part of the race and deservedly won! :)

PS: seems like I drove another T84 WR in the race, it's 100% on track, and I think no tow. Sector 1 and 4 were average but sector 2 and 3 very good....still half a second in it...but hard to get a clean good lap here...

Me too !

But I dislike the usual carnage after the 1st or the 2nd turns ! like it happened again, yesterday evening.
What could we do to avoid it ? It seems penalties have no effects. 

Grats to Clive , Robert and Dean.

Great track and a very enjoyable race.

From the comments above, some had fuel issues. Can someone clarify the rule on using a shift-r to refuel. I have always been under the impression that where a single shift-r is permissible it was not to be used for this purpose. If this is not the case, then when and where can fuel stops be made? I routinely overfill to avoid this but on occasion would welcome the opportunity to use a lighter car in two stints if this is available?

Lastly, hope the wife is on the mend Jethro.

Thanks for the kind words gents, we are officially home! I'd been practising in the Lola-BMW, given enough time and a setup to my liking I may have even kept it at the sharp end. Oh well, there are other races. :)

Yes, they do. They also state "The primary goal of this rule is to prevent drivers continually swapping chassis depending on what the other competitors are choosing...", which, as I explained in my incident report, had NOTHING to do with my actions.


So the worst example of incompetent, over-aggressive, unsportsmanlike driving I've seen in three seasons was worth a grand total of two race places, yet having the temerity to set a lap time in qualifying in the wrong chassis (while affecting NO ONE ELSE'S activities or results in any way, shape or form) is worthy of complete disqualification??


You might want to read the rules as they stand again. Here's a link: https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/rules/contravene_online


I'm clearly not guilty of that.


Nor that.


So there are your choices. Please revise your report accordingly, and please try not to take four and half months this time.

Our racing rules have very recently been rewritten, and a very impressive job Phil has made of clarification.  There are also changes, and car changes during practice have seen a change in penalty.  I imagine the penalty applied here, applies to the one being used when the race was run.  

Then the rules pages should have dates of validity and/or revision on them, otherwise the rest of us are just going on guesswork as to what rules we're supposed to be following, and that sure as hell ain't cricket.

edit: The mod report states: "I have no option to apply this rule as it stands and DQ him", not "as the rule may have stood at the time of the race (which no one except a moderator can verify, because the pages have possibly been changed in the intervening four and a half months and the dates and contents of said changes are hidden from the public)".

Wow! That's a stiff penalty! I remember you doing that. It irritated me slightly at the time. I'd think the worse you might get for that would be getting charged for the Matra instead of the Cooper or having your tokens set to 0 if you didn't have the funds. But that would have needed to be done shortly after the race. I don't see why you should be penalized at all unless you've been swapping cars multiple times through the season. You'd think a warning or two would suffice and later if penalties were necessary not be so steep in the beginning.

Just to clarify...I was applying the rules as they stood at the time of the race. I cannot see how I could apply a rule change retrospectively??

So it's not "as they stand" (like your(?) mod report says) but "as they (may have) stood at the time of the race, and for that, you're just going to have to take our word on it because now we're claiming that they've been changed in the interim but there's no way for you to verify that, yay transparency  ;D"?

Heavens!  Poor Deaner!  :(

Considering the moderation report, I don't expect this will work out in his favour either...

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=12620.0

Best of the Holidays to All and have a Great 2015!