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Season 27 Historic Trophy - Round 2 - Moulinsart

Welcome back to the Season 27 Historics Trophy for 1966 model Chassis.

For the second round we go to Belgium. The Moulinsart track, although a fantasy, does need some skill, it is very sticky outside the tarmac and has a nasty jump so be aware.

There will be full moderation of lap one Red Zone and reported incidents for the rest of the race. Please submit incident reports within a week after the race so that the moderators report may be out before the next race.

The full time drivers can start to practice as soon as the server is available.  Reserve drivers can also join as soon as the server becomes available but must leave the server with 35 minutes of qualifying left, for a total of 5 minutes; this will allow any remaining full timers to join.  If there is enough space on the grid, the reserve drivers will be able to rejoin when there are 30 mins of qualifying left.  

Please restrict chat to pit messages including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

The race will be run under PRO rules so no resets are allowed.


For THIS RACE, 3 liter cars must be selected

For the first three rounds at least, there will be no restrictions.

Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL_T7_2/UKGPL3
IP address = 62.149.202.168/ping ukgpl3.dyndns.org
Race date = Tuesday 12-08-2014
Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Track = Moulinsart (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/tracks/moulinsart)
Race length = 19 Laps
Variant = 1966
Damage Model = Pro
Qualifying time = minimum of 30 minutes

Password see above (#post_event_password)
Replay will be here (ftp://ukgpl3.dyndns.org/Replays/Archive/Season27/Historics/)

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=457&theme=6)

Moderating The red zone will be fully moderated. The Red Zone will be from the start up to La Licorne. Other moderation will be on reported incidents only or at the Moderators discretion.

Password: see above (#post_event_password)

This track is new to me, so I searched on SRMZ and I found this link http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=8229 (http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=8229)

I have not turned a lap here yet, but I'm looking forward to Tuesday.

(EDIT)   

Fixes:
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 - adds flag marshals / corner workers (showing yellow, green, blue, white flags)
 - fixed grid boxes
 - new groove
 - some other fixes

Thanks Walt, same for me ;)

edit: thanks or the update/fixes link :)

Is it just me/my setup or is it impossible to keep it flat over the fast hump (aeroclub?)???

It depends on the angle you take ;)

Ha ha... I can find a line to go drive through it, but the problem is that the nose just wants to stay up and you fly (literally) into the barriers on the left....

Slight confusion here.

Registration thread: 12/08/2014 Tuesday 9.00pm 2L Moulinsart

Race thread: For THIS RACE, 3 liter cars must be selected

Not that it matters that much to me but what are we racing tonight 2L or 3L cars??

I have followed the racepost and prepared in a 3L car...

Interesting track with a great flow, and challenging combinations of turns. Downside is for me the sticky grass, just no margin. I can do the jump full throttle, but I think slightly lifting is faster as you won't be as long in the air. You need to approach/enter the jump from the left hitting the apex steering right and making sure the car will land kind of stable on the tarmac....

I went with the 3 ltr cars , biggest headache ( apart from being slow ) is avoiding those concrete fences and marker posts  ::)

A nice place to have carnage just after the start (see those 3 or 4 turns on the begin of 1st sector) ...

Hmmmm! I now have a thin blue vertical line down the left side of my screen (about a 3rd of the way in ) hope its not an omen for later  ???

Sorry Cookie, ballsed up timing the first corner and bumped you off...

Suffered from screendrops, even with 0% detail...had to let Tristan go....then bottomed out before the jump taking a wrong line...then it was hard to judge being behind slower cars and got caught out towards the "S", had to brake hard (normally I only slightly lift there) to avoid Andreas and hit the side, and Clive couldn't avoid me...should have been more cautious behind Andreas...

Hope you didn't get damage from it Clive...another race to forget and a disastrous start of the season...up to the next one ;)

Broken clutch for me  :(

I note Doni is nicely positioned to pick up the pieces for a slot on the podium. Good luck to you and everyone still running.

Tough luck Arf, Axl and Robert on the early exit.

Also sorry to Andreas for spoiling the start of your lap in qualifying, my bad, and not like me.

Got to 50% and thought "Now I can get the hammer down and chase Bernie!" Crashed at the leap... lol

Lol Paul happens to the best of us ;)

Sadly I missed the race, as I was busy breaking into my own house! Lock seized, couldn't get the key fully in, only one door, no big windows (it's a conversion to a shop/flat)... So, drilled the lock out, with the help of my tenant next door, but still couldn't unlock the door... cue a wait for a locksmith, who had the tool to unlock the door just like that... but too late for me to make the race. I had only just installed the track before I left the house last night!  ???

The beginning of the race was encouraging for me. I could just stay with the group of cars in front, but then I had a half spin at the exit of the jump. Cookie was following me, and it looked like my half spin caused his race ending crash. I am very sorry. It was a real shame because you had good pace.

In the next few laps, I had a mini battle with Bernie and Bad Blood. It was good fun. However, my front wheel made side to side contact with Bad Blood's rear wheel in the hairpin. I am sorry for not being careful enough in that instance also.

I crashed on my own going over the big jump on lap seven. I enjoyed the race, but I am disappointed in myself for messing up someone else's race.

Thanks, see you all next time,
Walter





  

Hard luck Robert. I knew you were faster so I let you pass because my Eagle was never going to compete with your pace and the Brab.

I did no pre race practice so I had to adjust an old setup from Mexico to use here. Just about got it working before qually finished and shouted at myself to  GO EASY!!!! and survive.

I almost got caught up in the spinning cars before T1 and it put me way off line through 1 and 2 where I almost lost control  :o. That was where Andreas slipped past.

After I let Robert pass me, I watched him close on Andreas. Although I saw you lose it at the Esses Robert, I could not stop or avoid you as I usually take that flat in 4th gear....I really did try because I thought it was going to be the end of both of our races!!!! luckily for me there appeared to be no damage so I set off after Andreas again.
I knew that I could go faster, but he defended each corner and used the extra power on the straights making it almost impossible to attack him  :-\. I watched carefully for what seemed like 100 laps for a spot to make a pass and I decided that there were only 2 places where I might get a chance if I maxxed out the previous corners to get in position.
Eventually he was a little out of shape for the final corner and I nailed the gas over the crest and went around the outside, which placed me nicely for the inside of T1 and I finally got in front. BUt that long straight was coming and his car was way faster than mine  :(, so I had to push really hard to build a safety net. I just about managed it and then was able to use the rest of the next lap to get a nice cushion.

This track gives you nowhere to relax...even the main straight ( which is actually a curve!!) has that suicidal jump half way along. I like to take a sip of drink during races whilst on the straights...but not here!!!

Grats to Tris who was very quick and to my teamate Doni who drove into 2nd spot and hard luck Paul. next time just keep it simple and concentrate on survival , let the other guy make the mistakes ;)

Also to Andreas with an apology, I think I called you Gerhard in chat??!!! I have not a clue why I did that, I think I must be getting old (er)

I somehow missed the start ( fiddling with set up probable ) so server had me 1 lap down , was supprised to find Paul and David within reach from about L3 Paul gave it too much welly and spun out , not sure what happened to David , they were the only cars I saw apart from lappery . I only got lapped once by Tristan , slowed for him to come by but I was on the wrong line through the Hump, missed the hay bails by a bugs wasser , slid into the fencing , luckily bounced off and went under the bridge sideways . 10/10 for artistic merit , nil point for technical ability  ::) Thought for a moment I had taken the race leader with me , woke me up I can tell you , after that I tried to drive smooth and steady waiting for the rest of you to come by but for some reason it never happened unless evil & co had there cloaking devices on.

Well done to the podium boys and all who made it home in one piece , thanks for the fun enjoyed the track  :)

That was just one of those things Walt, I was a bit out of shape and a cheeky pass was on... I reckon the moderator might ignore it if we don't report it... ;)

I won't adjust your result if that is OK Bernie - wouldn't make any difference anyway.

No problem at all, Ronnie. There are no points in Qualifying.  ;)

The heavy Cooper was a bit too much under steering in this difficult track. Sorry if I stand in the way of someone because of that. Glad that we got this track behind us.

So long
Andreas   

Ha Ha Ha ! Can we all see the picture of the cocoa spilling out the side of your mouth with the G force  :D :D :D

Congrats Tristan, Doni and Clive, and finishers/scorers...

Glad to see you could continue Clive. It wasn't hard luck though, just bad driving on my account...you had nowhere to go, it was my own fault...was running too close behind Andreas not knowing how he would take the "S" and then got caught out...need to learn from this...

It can be difficult when drivers of different standards are on the same track - I try to stay off line and slow when possible to get others past but it can cause confusion. Tris caught me at the fastest part of the track but I didn't fancy going over the leap side by side but that does mean you compromise your own lap...

At one point I held Cookie up because I was pulling left as the track bent right (just before the banked chicane) so that Cookie could take the faster line - unfortunately he had already committed to going left which I realized too late. So both of us trying to be helpful and we nearly had a tangle... it can be hard.

You will just have to do a "Vettel", Rob and go pole and streak away.... easy peasy. I do the "anti-Vettel". Qualify last and watch them streak away....  :D

On the subject of back markers being lapped I think it best for the backmarker to stay on his normal racing line , perhaps slow a little to help the pass but only when the faster car has commited to the pass , otherwise wait until a suitable straight after a corner and slow .

Any change from the normal line can only cause confusion , but its a matter of common sense and a bit of patience from both parties .


The thing is to PANIC SLOWLY  :)

I think Bernie is right, the best place to be lapped is going offline on a straight and slightly slow. But whatever one does, make sure making your intentions clear, don't make it a last second decision to change lines or so...show your intentions on time...

Passing in general is best setting it up out of the exit of a corner, and eventually make the pass stick being alongside enough to claim the next corner holding your line. It's often hard to pass into corners, but there are exceptions when both cars are cooperating rather giving than taking room.

The best thing is when you get to know drivers, how they drive and behave, so you can anticipate on that.

As Bernie said, common sense and patience, and keeping a cool head must prevail in order to avoid unnescessary incidents, for both parties.


Hehe. I'd rather do a Ricciardo ;) It is more satisfying to have good fights at the front. Sadly denied myself another good fight with Tristan. First half lap was great going side by side, but the screendrops leading up to the bend straight made me decide to let Tristan by to stay safe, but then bottomed out...made an awkward rejoin as well in hindsight...sorry for that but happily everyone went by safe...

If we all make sure admitting to our mistakes, and learning from them, we will have less incidents for sure. But it's racing and incidents will always happen.

I will keep on working on my close racing skills, used to be very good at it especially in N2003, but ofcourse in road racing the speed difference are greater and sometimes does catch me out...it will get better I promise ;)

Cheers :)

Thankfully, the first two races have been on really long tracks, and it takes longer to be lapped. When we get to the shorter tracks, I might practice with the AI set to .5 in GEM so that I can learn what is best depending on the track.

Well Walter, I was not such distracted by your spin,
I think something must have been damaged before at my car causing this final crash ;)
After the T1 crash I stuck with the nose in the fence and came free just before Bernie left the pits.
No bad feelings Arf³
I have the feeling there is a bug in GPL that does intensify the tow of a slipstream under braking,
so if you are following a car close into a braking zone the car still accelerates when you brake!
I had several incidents of this kind myself...

Grats to the podium of Tristan, Doni and Clive.

First, the tow effect in most mods is just way too much, IMO. It should be like in the original 67's. Tommie tried to explain, but I'm not convinced, in contrary.

Also when behind someone with a tow, your topspeed will be higher, so you have to adjust your braking point to the car in front, as well to the tow/more topspeed. It's true it's harder to brake behind someone close in most mods. Like you get suckered in, it can catch you out, but I don't think it's a bug, but a side-effect of the exaggerated tow. More topspeed, still tow under braking, it willl need earlier/harder braking...we need to anticipate on these situations and knowledge...

My only experience with drafting at 100+ mph speeds is on a motorcycle (on racetracks, not public roads!!), but based on that I feel the draft in the mods is actually less than what would would be there in real life (race bikes punch much smaller holes in the air than even the tires alone on an open-wheeled car). Even on shorter straights than we have on a lot of GPL tracks, and at lower speeds than in GPL (~130ish max vs. 160-200), gaining 10-15 mph on the guy ahead was pretty easy (_if_ your bike was geared appropriately), as was overshooting your "normal" brake marker due to it!  :o

That being said, I think the original makers severely nerfed the draft in interest of playability. Realistic draft would see people unaccustomed to its effects ramming other drivers and not understanding what caused it. A little bit of a tow would be expected (and easily handled) by people whose experience is in cars at highway speed.

I like the increased draft in the mods, as it opens more passing opportunities. But, like all powerful tools, it needs to be handled with caution.

Living in Germany I have lots of experience with slipstream, on the Autobahn, we still have ~50% unlimited topspeed there!
My business car had a top speed of 230 kph but in slipstream it made over 250 kph.

But in GPL the force of tow seems not to decrease when cars go slower,
maybe we will have to ask Lee Bowden who knows all about the physics ;)

edit: nevermind, need to do some more research before posting nonsense. The only thing that still bothers me is the length of the tow. It should be arguably longer active in 67 and less in the mods, as the speeds are higher/slower.

Sorry guys  :P

Come on Rob , the F1 mods are very fun ! and I hope to see you racing in again.....don't give up ! ...we need good drivers anywhere ;)

Clear race for me on this funny but tricky track built by the professor Tournesol  and tested and approuved by Tintin and his coatch Milou ( Focus the Apex )

CUA in Carthage  8)

Thank you Tristan, I won't give up that easily ;)

It was a very fun track at Kuifje's track (we call Tintin Kuifje). I checked out the castle and such to try to find stuff the track builders did hide...

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